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Yankees Outspend A's 9-3 (and $150MM)

The Yankees beat the A's tonight 9-3. A lot of stuff happened, including a lot of shiny home runs. You know the drill. But that's not important.

NOTE: If you're a Yankee fan, this could come across as being whiny. I don't care.

Baseball simply cannot continue like this without a salary cap. This year, the Yankees outspent the next closest team (the Red Sox) by almost $44MM. That margin is more than the San Diego Padres and the Florida Marlins spent on their entire 40-man roster. Competitive imbalance of that magnitude is entirely unheard of in any other organized professional sport in the country.

And yes, I know, the Yankees only won the World Series twice last decade. Doesn't matter. Baseball has a unique statistical masking effect which doesn't happen in any other sport. In baseball the best teams in the league only win around 60% of their games, which comes out to 97 wins. Any other sport? The best team in the NFL usually wins 13 or 14 out of 16 games. The 2007 Patriots went 16-0. If the best football team in the league played a game against an average football team, I'm guessing the better team would win maybe 85% of the time. Basketball? Hockey? Similar results. In baseball? It's more like 65%.

In fact, if we simulate a playoff series, in which a team has a 60% chance of winning any particular game (which is like the Yankees playing a league average team), the stronger team would lose a seven-game series 29% of the time. 29 times out of 100, the Yankees would lose a seven-game set against a league-average team.  A five game set, like the ALDS? 32%. Even if the playoffs were rigged so that it consisted of the 97-game-winning Yankees and a bunch of perfectly league average teams, the Yankees would win the World Series only 34% of the time. But that's baseball.

And that's why we'll never get any change. If baseball didn't work that way, if strong teams enjoyed an NFL-like success rate, where the better team wins 85% of the time, the Yankees would win the World Series 8 or 9 times a decade. People would be beating down Bud Selig's door, clamoring for a salary cap. But it doesn't work that way. So no change. That statistical masking effect makes everything look cheery and dandy, but only on the surface.

In the offseason before the 2009 season, the Yankees spent $423.5MM on three players: Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia, and A.J. Burnett. That's five million more than the A's have spent on players in the last seven years combined. If Bud Selig didn't start talking about a salary cap after that atrocity of an offseason, we'll never see a cap.

Oh well.

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And you're not even including the money they spend on umpires!

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 31, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't be silly.

Umpires come free.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where's the CT thread? I want to go off topic and talk about nothing important.

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by OldhamA on Aug 31, 2010 7:19 PM PDT reply actions  

If Tampa is a better team than the Yankees, how come we can play with them

But with the Yankees it’s automatic fold?

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 31, 2010 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Tampa bay is Tampa bay

New York the empire of baseball and young guys pitching in that park is tough. I do feel bad for Tampa bay who is tied with yanks and had 11’000 fans at there game last night. That’ awful

by buckfan6 on Aug 31, 2010 7:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't give a crap and they shouldn't either

You play your butts off either way. This team has fold written on it starting bottom of the 1st inning.

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 31, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take a look at the NHL's Chicago Blackhawks

Due to the salary cap, they’ve had to let 8 players walk. Including the goalie who stood on his head to get them to the Stanley Cup.

Imagine if the Yankees had to let 8 of their players go after winning the World Series?

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by Hit4TheCycle on Aug 31, 2010 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Something was hard for sure

When the cap was brought back, it started low like 39.0 million low.

Today it’s up to 59.4 million.

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by Hit4TheCycle on Aug 31, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It may honestly take a lost baseball season to get these changes, for the owners to break the union.

And I don’t honestly think it’ll happen after 2011. Maybe in the round after that, so 2019 or so.

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 31, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's what happened in the NHL

But if that happened in baseball, how would we ever spend our summer?

Watch the WNBA, MLS, NASCAR and Indy Racing?

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by Hit4TheCycle on Aug 31, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst. Summer. Ever.

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by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really.

As an A’s fan, I think I’d welcome the respite.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I'd rather have a bullet in the brain than watch 3 seconds of any of the 4 things Hit4 listed

Which means it’d basically be a July/August with NOTHING sports related. That’s 2 whole months. I can’t do that.

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by thejd44 on Sep 1, 2010 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rugby League.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Sep 1, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

having lived through 1981

no, it wouldn’t be better. Although it would be cool to have more time to check out MiLB.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 1, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Hawks are fine. They lost some depth, but they're fine.

Turco is a better goaltender than Niemi anyway.

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by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sharks?

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Will be announced tomorrow.

by LoneStranger on Sep 1, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

That’s awesome! What a move by Doug Wilson!

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

Unless the sharks trade a goalie, theres a glut there.

My meh goes to a yay if the sharks get a defender.

by sums95 on Sep 1, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am of two minds about the cAp

is it a way to funnel more $ to the owners at the expense of the players, or a way to force some balance to the game.

so if there is a better way to achieve balance, do it.
If it’s a flat rev-share where all players get some cut all told….
might be good.

if it’s Big Ownership just cramming the players into a smaller pie, screw it.

by MobiusKlein on Aug 31, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

the owners are already billions richer than the players

That’s why they write the checks. Changing the balance a few hundred million either way isn’t going to make a difference. The A’s owner alone is worth $3 billion or something. There are 29 other guys like that.

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 31, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

making the owners richer
is it a way to funnel more $ to the owners at the expense of the players, or a way to force some balance to the game.

Which is why there is something that does make sense about how the NBA does it (at least in theory). You arrive at some percentage X that must go to the players out of the total revenue. That way, both the players and the owners still have the incentive to grow total baseball revenue. Sure, each team is only responsible for 3% of the total pot, but there is still the incentive; and I have to assume there would be pressure by other teams to do so under such a system.

by rageon on Aug 31, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this idea,

but if it’s impossible to make it work in MLB for whatever reason, I’m willing to funnel more $ to the owners. I’m perfectly happy to do that. They’re rich anyway. They’ll always make their money. But baseball isn’t endangering itself because the owners are too rich. That isn’t the problem.

A salary cap could always be raised to keep up with increases in total baseball revenue anyway.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I recall, I think it was 2000 season?

I was living on Prince of Wales Island and I got direct tv and the mlb package….and was in hog heaven to be able to watch the A’s. One game, mid season or so, Zito pitched a brilliant game against the yanks. I was impressed…young pitcher, cool, poised at yankee stadium. Those were the days.

alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho. --- theme for august = remain calm and try to truly enjoy a .500 team.

by ak_A on Aug 31, 2010 7:40 PM PDT reply actions  

The good news today: The Rangers just acquired Jeff Franceour

Clearly they want the A’s to win the division.

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by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

hahahahahaah

manny’s opposite

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 31, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

nobody would make the Yankees roster

what are the A’s to do? all they have is a bunch of 7,8 and 9 hitters. And to think Beane expects taxpayers to foot the bill for a new stadium when he puts out a piss poor product….Only in America !

by john2260 on Aug 31, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think the taxpayers are expected to pay...
Perhaps most significant, the A’s will pay to build and run the $461 million ballpark with help from investors and sponsors, team owner Lew Wolff said.

Source:

by JonL on Aug 31, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soccer Analogy

I’m a Scot and was brought up watching football (i.e. the version where players feet kick the ball). But I’ve simply given up on watching the Scottish League and the English Premier League.

The only competition in Scotland is between two rich teams (Rangers and Celtic) to see who will win the league every year. In England it’s even worse since 4 teams get to qualify for the Champions League every year and there were only about 6 teams that could possibly spend enough to make it (Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool plus Man City and Tottenham now).

So unless you are a fan of one of the rich clubs you’re basically playing to make up the numbers.

One of the reasons I love baseball is that DESPITE the ridiculous amount of money the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. (and Angels and Rangers for that matter) are able to spend, the small clubs still at least have a CHANCE to make the playoffs and even win a world series. See the A’s from 2000-2003 or Florida or Tampa Bay or Minnesota before 2010.

However, I think the increasing disparity between the clubs WITH THEIR OWN TV NETWORKS and the rest is in danger of making my interest wane. Need a bit of a mid-season boost? Let’s go get Lance Berkman, Kerry Wood and Austin Kearns. Ayeeee.

Something seriously needs to change but obviously that won’t happen with Selig. Let’s hope that the next commish actually has some vision and some balls.

by itsgemme on Aug 31, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

The sheer idiocy of European soccer's formatting is intense

Sports leagues do not make any sense without revenue sharing. I can’t figure out how anyone can possibly pay attention to leagues like the Premier League. I mean, what in God’s name is the point? You already know what’s going to happen.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 31, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could say the same of a Matt Carson AB.

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by Nico on Aug 31, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is right on

I used to hate the Yankees with everybody else, but when I realized that the reason that they’re so rich is because Steinbrenner saw the writing on the wall in terms of starting his own TV network and raking in the advertising revenue generated. They spend a lot of money, yeah, they do, but they also put a large portion into revenue sharing as well. I’m not sure about the percentages, but someone above said that every owner is a billionaire, maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. Wolff could spend $400M on acquisitions if he wanted to, he just doesn’t b/c he feels he won’t generate that amount back in revenue. The Yankees make money and spend money. Fans of other clubs hate it and say they’re buying championships. Truth is, for the most part they are, but it’s unfair to change the rules to ‘level the playing field’ when foresight and the willingness to spend revenue they generated is causing them to have an advantage.

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by noesis78 on Sep 1, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Moneyball misconception

I fell hard for moneyball. I truly believed that Beane had “cracked the code” to allow small market teams to compete with the Yanks/Sox, etc… Unfortunately I was wrong; it’s my misunderstanding of the book. The premise that small revenue teams can’t consisstently compete is unfortunately true.

Moneyball is true in the sense that you can find market inconsistencies and under-valued commodities in all competittive situations. However, I’m starting to feel like a fool for believing that our A’s could get back on top and stay there. Our best case scenario is for us to have a 2-3 year window in which we have a sliver of a chance to compete for a championship. That period would be followed by another long stretch of suckitude thanks to the inequity in the marketplace known as MLB.

What’s a fan to do???

by Flash G on Aug 31, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh

Eff this.

I can’t even look at Pinstripes anymore they make me so angry.

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Aug 31, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

My Dad lost more interest in the (modern) Yankees when they were winning than losing.

That’s the man who spent every Saturday at the House of Ruth in the late 40s-early 50s.

I would HATE to be a Yankee fan. How demeaning. How embarrassing. If you win, there’s no real satisfaction in it. If you lose, you’re an absolute laughing stock. Is anyone laughing at the A’s this year? No. They know we’re not there yet, but they are sure worried that we’re getting there.

So what if we took some lumps today. To tell you the truth, we probably had them coming, because our starters, great as they are, still have some lessons to learn. If there’s a better time of the season to learn them, tell me what it is, because I don’t know. If there’s a better team to learn them against, tell me who it is, because I don’t know. (Not Texas, I can tell you that much. Not the Angels.)

The 2-3 years of competitive ball Flash describes is good enough, because it isn’t just good, it’s GREAT! Always be an underdog, and always root for them (us).

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by paris7 on Aug 31, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yankees fans don't have a conscience.

If they did, they would have stopped being Yankees fans, like your father.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, what other local option do they have?

The only thing worse than rooting for a team like the Yankees would be rooting for a team with similar financial resources…that sucks.

by danmerqury on Aug 31, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no hate for native New Yorkers that root for the Yankees.

But that’s not who we’re talking about.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey hey hey, don't go picking on Mets fans.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 31, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with Mets fans,

just the owners, GM, manager, and park.

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by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 1, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen!

Well said! Couldn’t agree more!

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by A'sfansince1970 on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great recap

I NEVER miss watching a game, but I decided to skip this series because it’s just too ridiculous. Baseball needs a salary cap and floor, period, because what MLB is allowing and even encouraging is just bad for baseball, bad for fan interest, just bad period.

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by Nico on Aug 31, 2010 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

for sure. of course i was viewing, leaving work early for the first game

in anticipation of us showing better – and indeed part of the thrill that I had to be present for…..yet that top of the first inning had me very pleased and sure enough followed shortly by the inevitable. Certainly colored my less than compelling reason to get home to watch the second game from the get-go, as I had surrendered to fate.

alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho. --- theme for august = remain calm and try to truly enjoy a .500 team.

by ak_A on Aug 31, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other teams manage to beat them sometimes

why the A’s go tit’s up every time baffles.

by MobiusKlein on Aug 31, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad for fan interest? Not bad enough.

What Selig and the rest of them know is that they don’t have to cater to the hardcore baseball fans that root for one team all their lives—we’ll never abandon our teams—and they don’t have to cater to the casual bandwagon dicks either—they’ll always root for the team on top.

What do they have to change? What fans are they losing?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Aug 31, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

for the past few seasons

the A’s seem to be a deer in headlights when facing the Yankees…especially Cahill….

by CrazyBoutTheGreen on Aug 31, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

After his other start against the Yankees this year

(which also wasn’t that great), didn’t he admit to being too nervous/amped up because it was the Yankees? If I’m remembering that correctly, I really hope he learns to get that under control.

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by day-to-day on Aug 31, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I flipped back and forth between this game and "Pink Floyd:The Wall" on another channel.

And I kept wishing the sound from the movie could have somehow been transpoosed over the picture from the game. The shots of our dugout would have went tremendously well with the “Comfortably Numb” sequence, IMO.

Is There Anybody Out There? Not when we play NYY… our guys just seem to turn and Run Like Hell.

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by emperor nobody on Aug 31, 2010 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

"All Carson is is just another face in the wall."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 31, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign the marching hammers now!

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 1, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Mother Do You Think I'll Draw A Base On Balls?"

:0

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by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know what's interesting (to me, anyway)?

How similar Barton’s and Cust’s slash lines are (especially considering how differently they are perceived). Barton has been slugging a bit more lately and if he surges and Cust slumps, they could be really close by year’s end. Right now:

Barton: .280/.395/.411

Cust: .275/.399/.452

They get there in very different ways, but they’re both basically about .278/.397/.430 hitters.

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by Nico on Aug 31, 2010 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Barton is 25, too

It’ll be fun to watch his age 28-29 seasons. If he can drive a few more balls without sacrificing walks, he’ll be a fun player to watch at the plate.

by MrIncognito on Aug 31, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's slugged .451 since the All-Star Break.

Small sample, but still nice to see.

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by Nico on Aug 31, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also he's walking more and more

While striking out less and less. And Bartember starts tommorow!

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by Manstein on Aug 31, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

still low power for a 1b

i really hope barton can develop into a .875 OPS or higher guy (which, given his OBP, shouldn’t be that difficult). there’s no reason he can’t hit a few more homers (in terms of his frame). he’s not tiny, and he’s not 21. i mean, he shouldn’t mess with his approach much because it is pretty good, but yeah, daric SHOULD be able to hit 20+ homers. not to dog him…i like the kid, i just wish he’d hit a few more homers.

by guy incognito on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

word Nico.....

I wonder if Barton were to work out this off season and pack on a little more muscle that he might hit a for a bit, not a lot, more power in 2011 and beyond? I say this because watching him everyday, that swing of his is so pretty, he has natural drive, pure hitter instincts…….I guess I just envison him being able to slug 15-20 HR’s someday, maybe as early as next year. thoughts?

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by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our little Bart is all grown up

sniff, sniff……..

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Cust is really a .278 hitter

I also think Barton can and will be closer to a .300 hitter as he matures.

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by thejd44 on Sep 1, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice recap, Dan.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Aug 31, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate the salary cap idea

if you can think of a profit cap, get back to me.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 31, 2010 9:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

why punish the people that actually entertain us, the players

less money for the players means more money for the owners.

Are you going to require the teams to sell merch and food for less? Not sell tv commercials? give away seats?

It would be great if there was some sort of equity in payroll, but a cap is an artificial fix for the problem that benefits the wrong people.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 1, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Less money for everybody!

Salary cap, profit cap, ticket price cap, $5 maximum beers, parking cost cap, etc…

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 1, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The more I think about MLB putting caps on various prices, the more I like the idea.

The rich pricks that are only in it for the money would get out of baseball team ownership, and the experience would become affordable again.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 1, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see all teams owned by their fans, like the Packers.

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 2, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

There has to be a penalty for teams that accept cap money

What baseball really needs is to avoid the Devil Rays situation, where ownership takes the revenue sharing and pockets it.

It’s well worth anyone’s time to read the stories about the financial statements of various teams that were leaked – the Rays made a very nice profit.

http://deadspin.com/5615096/mlb-confidential-the-financial-documents-baseball-doesnt-want-you-to-see-part-1

Really the league needs to require teams receiving revenue sharing to spend the money.

by MrIncognito on Aug 31, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

A salary floor would do that

You have to have a payroll of at least X amount, but at most, Y amount.

Needs moar dingerz.

by Blicks on Sep 1, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what the NBA does

I don’t see why it couldn’t work for baseball. And if you go over a certain amount you pay luxury tax per every x amount of dollars you spend over the cap.

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The A's had better get on the phone to Sacramento

and get some extra relievers up here. I mean, this is ugly.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Aug 31, 2010 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Looks like they are.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/31/SPR51F5RDK.DTL

They’re calling up Ross Wolf and Justin James, a guy they recently signed out of some indie league.

by danmerqury on Aug 31, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are Fischer's pockets in Sacramento?

The A’s need to call up about $250 million and buy a good team.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

the irony being that to make this happen, you have to stop supporting the A's

and baseball alltogether.

MLB won’t survive if every fanbase but the Yankees revolts on their team and stops supporting their non-#1 payroll team. This would force Selig to act. Probably the only thing that would do so.

Seriously, I think the answer is: (1) a more leveraged salary cap, and (2) a “negative” salary cap floor, where teams are penalized for spending too little by not receiving their full allotment of salary cap $$. This could be laddered to find a sweet spot somewhere. Of course, the owners should use this as a bargaining chip at the next round of negotiations, perhaps in exchange for trading rights on draft picks, longer arb periods, whatever.

by rollierollieOxenfree on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't even matter that the Yankees only won two World Series this decade

they were in the playoffs every year, keeping other teams out. The sad thing is, most teams with tight wad owners(A’s), probably don’t even mind the great discrepincy in their teams payroll and that of the Yanks. The more the Yanks spend, the more revenue sharing they receive.

by dashman33 on Aug 31, 2010 9:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

It's not that many owners don't mind the revenue sharing,

It’s that they LIVE FOR IT!

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 1, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

These kinds of things are fan-driven

The Yankees make money because they’ve been able to market themselves well which has led to success which leads to more revenue and the ability to spend money to increase the odds of success…a near perfect feedback loop. All teams have these near perfect feedback loops with various degrees of success [just because they are near perfect does not mean the results are going to be desirable for every team — especially if their fans aren’t happy enough]. Asking for a salary cap is akin to interferring into these feedback loops because disparities exist when compared relative to each other. Why not champion for a revenue cap? While it may sound ridiculous, it’s going to have more of the so-called fair and equitable affect as it’s bottom line goal.

by LowcountryJoe on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 AM PDT reply actions  

and NY is a huge market

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 1, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to hate salary caps. I really hate hard caps.

I think it’s made the NFL much, much worse. In the NFL, every season has 2 good teams, about 4 pathetic teams, and 26 teams that are exactly the same. Just because it switches each year doesn’t make that a good thing.

I also don’t think it’s right to tell players that they are being limited in how much they make. A hard cap just means more owners can pocket more money that they made because of the players. I know players are millionaires already, but I’d much rather they get a larger piece of the pie.

I don’t want a hard cap in baseball. I would support a salary floor. But I also think the Yankees spending that much more than even the other rich teams is a problem. So why not make the luxury tax some sort of tiered thing? If the number is $125 million and you spend $130, meh. But if you’re spending $200+, why not make it some ridiculous number? Make it a 1000% tax, and make it on the ENTIRE payroll (not just the amount they’re over the tax). Yes, that’s crazy. But it would effectively limit payrolls while still giving a team the choice of spending billions if they wanted. If my numbers are too extreme, just change them.

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by thejd44 on Sep 1, 2010 5:43 AM PDT reply actions  

does a cap actually limit salaries?

my understanding is, it tends to move players around more, but they still get paid. it just makes it impossible for one team to have them all (like the yankees). part of me feels sickened to theoretically give the owners something like a hard cap, but the talent distribution is ruining the game. fact is, small market teams CAN compete, but you can’t afford to make any mistakes (eric chavez’s injuries, for instance). yes, the rays are beasting it, but when you get that many high draft picks, many of whom don’t bust, yes, you’ll be competitive…until it comes time to resign them, when the yankees, etc., clean up. a hard cap with a hard ceiling, on the other hand, forces owners to spend money, but stops ridiculousness like the yankees from happening…unless the players are all willing to take a lot less money, at which point props to them.

by guy incognito on Sep 1, 2010 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. And I think the cap is a good thing even if all it does is limit the conglomeration of talent on a single roster.

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 1, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is the best result to shoot for. More of an even distribution across the league.

With a salary cap, either the Yankees would
1) offer less to FA1, and other teams would be better able to compete for his services, or
2) they’d offer more to FA1 to ensure his signing and no offer to FA2, making FA2 sign with another team.

by LoneStranger on Sep 1, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's ban multi-year contracts.

Make everybody a free agent every year, like Finley wanted.

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 2, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Big 3 v BGMAC

One thing the Big3 had that the BGMAC have yet to show…. BALLS! Maybe next year these pitchers will step on the Yankee mound as if it’s their mound. They need to show some fight in order to overcome $$$ ineffeciencies. Braden needs to keep working with these guys. Show them what it means to be an underdog in a fist fight.

by Colorado Fan on Sep 1, 2010 7:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Fight Club!

Totally agree with you CF. Although I do see Anderson taking care of business tonight and Braden taking down the Pinstripers tomorrow with his bare knuckles!

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it was a fist fight

Mazzaro would get knocked out before the bell.

You know, losing the game for us before we even start

That guy is the weak link and a very weak one at that.

by Trainman on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he needs to work on the mental aspect of his game the most

out of all the starters. He lost control of the game very quickly yesterday and he was clearly rattled early on. I really think he might be the one that gets traded in the off season and boy oh boy did Bonser look pretty decent in relief again yesterday! 5th starter in 2011 anyone?

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Sep 1, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Yankees only let me in because I gave them $125.

Yup, I was at my yearly A’s trek into the Bronx (from Brooklyn) last night, sporting my retro Reggie long-sleeve A’s jersey (partly a self-saving propitiation to the Evil Empire). For $125 dollars I got to sit on the main terrace and for $55 dollars I got to drink 5 beers.

Mazzaro was announced as a “hometown” player, and he definitely had pockets of fans around—including a guy with a Mazzaro jersey who got a New Yawk accented heckling when he was getting up: “Hey, Mazzaro! This isn’t the opera! SIT DOWN!” He did get a foul ball pitched by Vin an inning later though.

Anyway. Not a good game. I missed Barton’s jack, too. Oh well. I didn’t get spit on.

by GranolaNerd on Sep 1, 2010 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

The problem with revenue sharing as it sits is that

Teams that are at the bottom of the league and receive money have little if any incentive to a)get better and b)pay a large sum of money to any free agent. The first reason is pretty much basic…for every win you increase you’ll theoretically move up in the standings and therefore become a ‘better’ team and will earn less money in revenue sharing the following year. The free agent angle is a bit more interesting. Unless you’re on the cusp of being a playoff team and therefore earning money for hosting playoff games it’s really not beneficial for you to spend big on free agents. If you shell out say $20M in the off season and increase your win total by say 5 wins and end up 90-72 but still miss the playoffs you’ve taken on more salary and you’re getting less money in revenue sharing because you’re a better team. Both ways, from an ownership perspective, you’re losing money. Unless as an owner you’re committed to spending money to make your team a perennial division contender and ultimately a team capable of making a WS run you can fiscally justify not spending money outside of what revenue you’re currently generating. So, while hating on ‘big market’ teams is easy to do being a fan of a small market the fact is that they’re contenders b/c they spend money freely. Until the ownership of any non-contending team decides to spend there is little chance it’ll all come together in the form of an average MLB payroll. That being said, that’s why I love the A’s. When it does happen and we make it to the playoffs and World Series it’s all the more sweet.

The worst person to run from is yourself.

by noesis78 on Sep 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I love everything about this post.

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

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