Carlos Gonzalez making himself into a superstar

"Gonzalez is my new favorite player to watch. I realize Albert Pujols could come just a few batting average percentage points away from winning the NL Triple Crown and that Joey Votto will get a paddleboat-load of MVP votes … but I'll take Carlos Gonzalez over both of them. I know, pass on Pujols?
I'm nuts."

One can only wonder what could have been if we hadnt traded him....maybe we finally could have had that big bat were missing now. hopefully we'll find another gem like him soon

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Yes, he's very good

But give me Votto or Pujols are Patrol Craft any day of the week.

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by stranahanahan on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions

over

not are

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by stranahanahan on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions

CarGon is good, but no where near the level as Pujols or Votto.

by tandy on Aug 29, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions

judging trades like this is a terrible idea.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Aug 30, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions

looking at trade "begats" is interesting

but this one is certainly incomplete. It would need to start with the A’s draft pick Mulder.

And you’re right that it’s not a good way to judge a trade. One doesn’t really know until you know down the line (in hindsight, of course) how valuable that player (or players) ended up being for the team.

by OaklandSi on Aug 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

It may be a terrible idea

But how else would you do it?

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by stranahanahan on Aug 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions

Among other things, you at least need to look at value provided at the different "steps"

And really, it’s a bunch of separate decisions anyway. Some might be good, some bad, but it does little good to throw them into a huge pile and obscure the differences between them.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 30, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh, I agree

Unfortunately a preferred way of analysis even by some of the best sports writers

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by stranahanahan on Aug 31, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions

As to CarGon the superstar: it's just the Coors effect writ large

Take a look at his home/away splits here

I’m not suggesting we wouldn’t be better off with him here, but he would likely be a .267 hitter overall, with maybe 12 HR’s, even if you assume all of the following: 1) his average would be the same in the AL as it is for NL away games, 2) his home BA and SLG would be the same at the Coliseum as it is in NL away games, 3) he would hit homers at the Coliseum at the same rate he hits them in NL away games…

No way he’d be getting consideration for AL MVP. Still, I would rather he had not been traded…

el croata wrote a PhD-worthy dissertation on him earlier this year God on the Mountain

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by justANotherAsFan on Aug 30, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Damn! Those are some massive splits!

Odd that his K:BB ratio would be so different, as well.

by boilerdan on Aug 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions

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Home-road splits… make… Paul… angry… very… angry… RRRRRARRR HULK SMASH STUPID SPLITS PAGE GNAAAARGHHHHHH

Seriously, homie, that does not work as analysis. You cannot assume those things you just assumed. Or perhaps more precisely, if you make predictions based on those assumptions, you will lose your shirt.

by PaulThomas on Aug 30, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions

heh.

you’ve gotten soft in your old age.

Save Rajai Davis

by oakinboston on Aug 31, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions

i can understand that splits are unfair because of the SSS on the road

but what do you make of Car-Gon’s dramatic difference in OPS in his splits?

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by rhymeswithelephant on Sep 2, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Gonzalez VS Taylor

Why do people just throw away Coors stats? Even if you reduced him to .290 and 15 hrs he would still be by far the greatest hitter in this joke of a lineup. Holliday was traded for future prospects. Taylor became that prospect. He’s doing very little in AAA that’s not good.
If this team doesn’t make the playoffs by 2012 Beane’s rebuilding has completely failed.

by fansince1980 on Aug 31, 2010 9:53 PM PDT reply actions

Did CarGon do or say something to get shipped out of town?

I thought trading CarGon was a bad idea from the time it was announced. He had talent and was not given much of a chance. What did he do to get shipped out of town so quickly? As fansince1980 states an ineffective CarGon would still be the best hitter in the current lineup.

by hokecole on Sep 1, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions