DLD 8.23 Audit/Bankruptcy Edition
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 10:52 AM PDT
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PrintIm on leave from work this week so Im hoping to get 3 fanposts on potential offseason moves as well as my mileage for work completed in addition to everything else. These are some important links if you want to understand how teams are run, everyone should read them.
Chasing the Rangers is a blog post by Mavericks owner Mark Cuban about his attempt to first buy the Rangers outright and then win them at auction. It describes the process by which he was trying to separate bad assets from the bankruptcy proceedings as well as plans so Cuban could create a regional sports network in Texas (or bid Fox up to ungodly levels for the right to do the same) since Cuban would own both the Mavericks and the Rangers
The Pirates had their financials leaked to the media. Apparently they had to trade Aramis Ramirez to the Cubs because they were losing so much money but there is a lot of debate about whether or not the team should have paid their owners over $20m in 2008 when the team has had more consecutive losing seasons than any other in major American sports.
Read the actual financials here for the Rays and Angles as well.
The Seattle Mariners also had their financials leaked to deadspin. Apparently they lost $4.5m during the second to last year of the Bavasi regime.
If you aren't Iglew and aren't an accountant but want to know what the hell all of this means I would check out the Biz of Baseball blog its fricking awesome.
The big thing that I took away from it is it looks like (from the Rays and the Angles) that the payout of making the playoffs is significantly less than I thought it was and that the Marlins spend far more on player development than anyone else released. Maybe thats why they consistently have good cheap young cost controlled players. HINT HINT BILLY.
Also Dudes in Japan have created baseball playing robots... We're all going to die (but at least Pirates owners will do so with $20.4m more!)
And If you still haven't read the Biz of Baseball link you are fricking lame
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I figured you would be on the leaked financials eventually
They also said there was another team’s financials ready to go but they needed to get electronic first. Why do I think it’s going to be us.
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I hope it is. Then I can bitch even more about the fact that Beane is fucking this thing up
How do you think you can compete when you say you cant sign free agents and it has to come from within AND THEN GO OUT AND SPEND THE LOWEST AMOUNT ON THE DRAFT IN YEARS?
I really want to know.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think we drafted with signability as the primary goal this year?
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes and No. We weren't drafting irregardless to cost. Which is what should have happened.
we should be spending 20m on the draft and another 20 on international FA every year.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't that assume that there are players available in both markets worth that much money to spend on?
I’d rather have 30m available next year if it turns out there’s only 10m worth of players available in both and we do everything monetarily in our power to acquire those players.
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there were.
I liked the Yordy pick and Shipman was ok. The rest of the draft sucked. We didn’t go for any sign ability guys. We cannot survive being outspent by every single organization in the division on both payroll and the draft.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
But is the underspending a result of a poor draft class, poor drafting proper, or happenstance?
That is the question. The middle one is problematic, but I don’t know what they would have done differently in the first and third scenarios.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
yes it was a poor draft class. yes the A's didn't IMO draft well, and yes it just might be that the guys they liked weren't going to cost a ton
The second is my concern. They spent less than everybody else in the division, even Seattle who had less picks.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
also it should be said that that the A's know a hell of a lot more about the draft that I do.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The figures I read said Seattle had spent the least
and that, relative to slot recommendations, the various teams in the division had spent roughly similar amounts proportionally.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Sieler tweeted that the A's had spent less than 2008 and 2009 and were last in the division.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw specific numbers, so for now I'm going to believe that over a somewhat generic tweet
The A’s definitely spent less, though. I think a lot of that did have to do with Choice being a relatively easy sign.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
specific from where?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Found them the Ms spent less but
the A’s still spent ~$1.5m less than league average.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The A's were 17th in bonus spending this draft
And rank 17th over the last three years combined.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's one thing if you think they didn't draft well
I’m not knowledgeable enough about the HS/college guys to argue that. But I do have a hard time complaining about the team’s draft when they signed their first 14 picks or whatever it was. Maybe those guys all suck, but they got all their guys.
To me, that’s about the only real sign of success a team can have 2 months after the draft. Now it’s their job to make those guys into really good players.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with not judging the draft until some time has passed
Everyone was hating on the Pirates draft last year, but (unlike everything else about that organization) it now looks to have been pretty solid.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I was actually a big fan of what they did
Sanchez was better than his rep and they ended up spending a ton of money on some live arms.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because they sign doesn't mean they were a good draft pick.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but it's better than drafting all kinds of awesome talents who end up going to college
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
this is true
but its better to draft awesome talents and then pay them
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, 'caude if the A's pushed the envelope there
there’d be no way for Boston or NY to catch up.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Just so you know,
“irregardless” is sort of a made-up word. It seems like it should be a word; it so easily rolls off both the tongue and the keyboard.
But it should be either “irrespective of cost” or “regardless of cost”.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
im well aware.
i don’t care about grammar/spelling.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Noted.
But seriously, how could you not care about communicating clearly? Especially as someone who seems so willing and eager to share his thoughts?
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
by Elvez on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And despite which,
I just about always enjoy and appreciate your posts, so hey, I guess there’s an argument for just keepin on keepin on.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
because grammer & spelling are not all there is to communicating.
“Seventy slimy balloons ate a finicky hippo.” has correct grammar and spelling, but communicates nothing useful.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 24, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I suppose that's true...
but I don’t know what it’s got to do with DFA’s posts though. He’s communicating plenty that’s useful.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
It does have a cost.
DFA’s weak spelling and grammar do diminish comprehension somewhat (more the grammar than the spelling, I think). It’s still understandable, but it doesn’t skip merrily into your brain like a post by, say, ElCroata. The result is that the reader takes from it a lesser proportion of whatever content is there, and has to work harder to do so.
Now, I’m not saying this is something DFA should make a priority, any more than Jack Cust needs to try to hit more like Ichiro. There are many different ways to increase one’s fanposting wOBA value, and one’s efforts are better directed toward playing to one’s strengths rather than trying to be a different type of writer.
Still, it’s not correct to say grammar and spelling don’t matter. They do make a difference.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I am
Now, I’m not saying this is something DFA should make a priority
DFA is too smart to write so poorly.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I know how to write better; I just find it less enjoyable.
I hate proofreading and I have a spelling disability (the put me in special classes and everything until 3rd grade when they just gave up). So I am willing to sacrifice some clarity so that I don’t have to do things that I don’t like. Basically if I had to actually proof my posts to bring them up to the college paper level, I wouldn’t be interested in writing as many posts. Pick your poison.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have a browser that underlines your incorrectly spelled words?
I know I use that shit in firefox all the time, and it’s not painful to use at all.
yes i do
and its not like I ignore them, its that FF’s spell check sucks and also it doesn’t touch subject lines for some reason.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a word. It means the same thing as regardless, but it's still a word.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
No, it's not. It's also one of my pet peeves.
If, you know, any of you were looking to drive me crazy or anything.
Almost every English major I know has at least one or two pet peeves.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions
My pet peeve is English majors' pet peeves
Most of them are utterly asinine.
Though not the “could care less” thing. That one actually inverts the meaning of the sentence.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think you're wrong on that.
You’re crediting the word “care” with only on narrow definition, ignoring its extremely broad cloud of meaning that extends so far that it can be its own opposite.
A few days ago, I happened to read in a novel written around 1900 a passage in which one character says she’s going somewhere and another says, “I wouldn’t care to join you”. What the second character means is that he does want to join her. The idiom he uses mirrors our “I wouldn’t mind joining you.” This particular novel (Sister Carrie,Theodore Dreiser) is in a naturalistic style and its dialogue reflects normal everyday usage of the time.
This isn’t exactly parallel to “I couldn’t care less”, but it is a good reminder of the breadth of the word “care”. A care can be something that troubles you, or it can be affection you lavish on someone, and any manner of things in between. Idioms may be born from anywhere within this range of meaning.
To pin the word down to a single meaning and then reject the idiom as illogical, in my view, fails to appreciate the beauty and greatness of the language.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
that is one of the books I actually kept for college
I think that was better than the devil in the white city at giving a picture of the time period.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I've gone on a classic literature kick lately.
I just take one of those “hundred best” lists, and pick up whichever ones from it I happen to see at the library.
Most of them — *cough* James Joyce *cough* — are very readable.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
DLD?
Fuck you, iglew.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That literaturarily awesome, dude.
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I plead guilty to LB-trolling.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
jerk.
I still love you, but….jerk.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 25, 2010 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions
regardless of the meaning of care, the other words carry the sense of the sentence. that is, you still have to do the math (apply the “could/couldn’t … less”). and in the “could” version, the sentence’s meaning is hardly worth mentioning.
that is, on a 0–10 scale of caring:
i could (care / mind) less: i care anywhere between 1 and 10, and i ain’t telling you which. this may be useful once in a while as an understatement. “Q: would you (care / mind) if i gave you a million bucks?” “A: i could conceivably care less, i guess…” other than that, there’s hardly any effect with this sentence.
i couldn’t (care / mind) less: a precise statement. i can only care 0 for this to be true. it’s as arch as you wanna be. and probably what most people are aiming for, whether they think caring is nice or a bother.
i think PT’s point sticks.
really don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Aug 24, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm familiar with the argument.
This is what I’m saying is narrow.
Your particular way of stating it highlights the presumption that precise sentences are always better than imprecise sentences, another premise I reject.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
i’m using precision as a way to evaluate whether the speaker meant to say that sentence the way he or she did. if they said it the way they didn’t mean to, then it’s perfectly peevable. and sure, precision per se is a tool and every degree of it can be useful.
really don't care if i ever get back.
I hadn't meant to pursue this further, but
your sigline is right there staring me in the face.
Why doesn’t this imprecision bother you? The logical phrase — which also happens to be the correct lyric as published — would be to say “I don’t care if I never get back”. That is, if you take me somewhere and I never get back, that is an occurrence which one might normally find alarming and thus care quite a bit about, but in this case I love going to the baseball game so much that I don’t care.
And yet, one frequently hears it phrased as “I don’t care if I ever get back”, including right there in your sigline. This way it makes no sense at all. Of course you don’t care if you ever get back, because to ever get back would be perfectly normal and comfortable, so why would anyone care about that? To use your phrase, the sentence’s meaning is hardly worth mentioning.
But people say it that way anyway, because it is idiomatic and comfortable, and there’s really never any confusion about what is truly meant.
So why doesn’t this bother you as much as the equally illogical “I could care less”?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
i wasn’t bothered; imprecision doesn’t bother me. it’s just a characteristic that i was using to evaluate the phrase’s worth, more than its meaning. all those sentences have a meaning, and i thought i had found a way to figure out if it was intended or not via its precision.
if someone were to tell me that their pet peeve is the ever/never thing you outline and that people saying one think they mean the other, i’d say, “OK, i can see that.”
we can totally drop this.
really don't care if i ever get back.
PT, I can't figure out if this is you:
1. Being playful.
2. Being aggressively a jerk.
3. Being clueless on human interaction.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, blue n fuzzy.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I'm going with #3 here
I am to interaction what Howie Kendrick is to hitting. See point, hit point.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I kinda sorta love you in spite of it.
I definitely love you for it.
You’re okay, PT.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 25, 2010 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I pissed my wife off big time
she said ‘irregardless’ wasn’t in the dictionary. I said it was, and went to look it up.
Lo and behold, it was there in the OED (not the full OED, the 2 volume edition.)
Sure, it was marked ‘nonstandard’, just like words like ain’t.
The word missing from the dictionary is antidisestablishmentarianism, everybody’s favorite joke word.
by MobiusKlein on Aug 24, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I always liked
pneumonoultramicroscopicsiliconevolcanoscoliosis.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
You've misplaced your cone.
I’m not sure if you altered it on purpose or by accident.
I’m also not sure which way would be funnier.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
heh, yeah
I think it’s actually just …silicovolcano…
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
And coniosis, not scoliosis.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Oh yeah!
“Samsonite! I was way off!.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
I was imagining the back trouble
that might result from having silicone volcanoes.
That’s why it was so funny.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
It's like, "click, click, click"...
and the joke comes together in my brain finally.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
I know for a fact
that floccinaucinihilipilification is in the OED (because I’ve actually looked it up there) and that’s a letter longer in any case…
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Only one or two?
I’ve got a list.
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
Check the dictionary
it’s there. It may not have been accepted as a word before, it certainly is now.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
only because people are stupid.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Dictionaries show the word in the wild.
just like field guides to animals have them doing all the stuff animals do.
Dung beetles eat dung – but it doesn’t mean you should.
Well dictionaries grow with the times
As words (regardless of accuracy) become used more commonly, a dictionary rightfully adjusts to what a societal norm dictates. So we start using the word scarouse, well technically that’s not a word. We get everyone else to start using it and lo and behold, it becomes a word through use. Same with common misuses. People got unholy disgusted by the use of ain’t. Then, boom, because acceptable.
In other words, the rest of you freaks need to start using scarouse in your daily use.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
IOW, language is not static.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And you fuckers better start using scarouse.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
What annoys me far more than
popular coinages and misuses that become common and find their way into the dictionary, is blatantly invented words that have not stood any test of time but get printed somewhere with an alleged definition, and then everyone copies it to each other saying, “here’s a cool word; it means such-and-such”, but in actual fact no one really uses the word except to talk about what a cool word it is.
Those popular “word of the day” sites are filthy with stupid non-words like this.
That’s not to say I’m opposed to coining new words. Heaven knows I do that all the time, and could point to a dozen right here on AN. But the point of inventing a new word is to use it to communicate meaningfully, not to point at it and assign it a definition that it has never earned in real usage.
If googling an alleged word shows you more examples of people defining the word than of people actually using it, that’s cause for suspicion.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I don't find you to or this statement the least bit scarousing.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I find it scarousing when
I ride on a scarousel.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
(shuffles feet, gets all bashful)
Aw shucks. Thanks for noticing.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
If the prefex "ir" means "not"...
(as in irrespective meaning “not respective”) then irregardless would mean “with regard” not “regardless”.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
I, for one, find the word ritating.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
It makes me plussed.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
The "ir" prefix
is really an “in” prefix whose “n” has been elided into the “r” that it bumps up against. That “in” can in fact mean “not” (which is a Latin version of the Greek privative alpha), but it can also mean “in” or “into” or “on” (as in “implant” or “immerse”), depending on the particular word.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Likewise, "im" is really "in"
that elides into an m, b, or p.
In some languages there is a similar elision which manifests in pronunciation but is not reflected alphabetically for an in- prefix that precedes an f. In a word like “infinite”, the first n is pronounced with the lower lip against the upper teeth in “f” position but making a sound like m or n.
This pronunciation is common in most dialects of Italian, and in a few dialects of English.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm pretty sure it means "not"
As is often the case, two negatives in a word are just redundant, and not intended as some tricksy double negative thing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Another stupid double-negative word
is “unless”. It just means “more”.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I found a different etymology for "unless"
here, though I can’t really vouch for the site.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
My "un-less" etymology was a joke, of course.
As for that website, I can vouch for it and I will. I know the guy who hosts it, and I trust his work.
It’s all from other sources, with no original research by him, but I trust his judgment in choosing and compiling.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Awesome links, DFA.
I had seen the news story about the Pirates, but it was just a whole lot of “ZOMG, the team is actually making a profit even though the team keeps losing!!!” to which my first thought was, “well, duh, of course they are. It’s a guarantee that 50% of the teams will finish below average every year and if they couldn’t make money while doing so there wouldn’t be a league,” and my second thought was, “if the financials have been leaked, where the heck are they? I don’t want to read your stupid article, I want to see the numbers!”
And now here they are. And more, too. Yay! I will definitely want to take a closer look at this once I find some time.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
glad you like them :-)
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting about the 100% of deciding playoff games revenue going to owners
after first deciding game.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
yeah it is but the Rays only made like 17m by going to the WS... the projected figure was 40m for just getting there
now the 40m includes indirect benefits too but it makes that number appear far more suspect.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it spell doom for the tarps if the A's pull of a miracle in the next few years
$17 M does seem like chump change in this context doesn’t it?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
yes yes it does.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Does this mean now you're going to join me
in caring about regular season W-L more than the playoffs? ;-)
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I care about A's wins
whether they come in season or post season form
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I'm pretty sure he already does
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
it shifts the calculus for sure.
I have to go back and read Wang’s research again but I care about pennant chases. I hate meaningless wins. Their like diet foods they taste like crap compared to the real thing.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If MLB ever allowed Robot pitchers
only 65% of the pitches would be called strikes by CB Bucknor.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
And Dusty Baker would still find a way to break one
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
by YonYonson on Aug 23, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Japan would be better served making a robot umpire to replace CB Bucknor.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Its fricking dead here today
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
It's been kind of dead for the past couple of days.
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BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
yeah but im not at work and really need the distraction
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm the opposite.
Buried at work, and prefer not to have the distractions. That said, there just might be front-page openings on Tuesday and Thursday if you work quickly enough. ;-)
I'm here to talk about the past.
Ive got something almost done that can run tomorrow.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That'd be great. I mean, I had some things in the works. But pretty much marshmallow.
I'm here to talk about the past.
do you want me to just publish it and youll promote it or email it to you?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
k just so you know what your getting into its about eating a contract of a former GGer via trade
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
nope but right division
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He is but we aren't going to eat his contract and hes not a former gold glover
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
why do you have to ruin all the fun
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still wanna hear your side of it. I was just guessing, I have no justification for doing it.
Besides, nobody reads DLDs.
Pam liked my old sig better.
dude i was kidding
also everyone reads the DLD except when you title them Audit/Bankruptcy Edition
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
forget it now I'm not going to read what you post tomorrow.
BOOM, that just happened.
also the AC is broke in my office and it’s like 85 in here. ugh.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Yes, that would tend to deter
a goodly portion of the regular DLD crowd….
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
who the hell let all of you in here?!
Where the hell’s the innuendo?
I will say this. I don’t wanna hear you guys moaning about me being goofy in your serious threads no more.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I do hope you include what it'll cost the A's to acquire this "mystery" player
The monster at the end of this blog.
Number of comments is not the only measure of a DLD.
Speaking only for myself, I’m not commenting a lot here because I’m more interested in reading all those excellent stories you linked to than I am in sitting around here chatting about it.
That generally is not the case with other DLDs.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
no i just meant AN in general has been dead all day.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, I was working.
also the AC is broken in my office so it was 87 degrees all day, which means I wanted to GTFO and go work in other buildings
Pam liked my old sig better.
its not your fault. the FP didn't have any new content, this was the only new FP and it was beautiful outside
and no one started a meta flamewar, with all that its pretty much expected to be dead no?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so sick of Cust striking out.
He’s a terrible player and we should cut him right now.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
im good. i have those posts ready if i really want to use them.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You suck!!!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I got a new job.
Can’t surf AN until I’ve fully convinced the new boss that I am both incredible and irreplaceable. Thus, no daytime AN for me for at least a few more weeks…. ;)
There's no crying in baseball!
boo.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Or you could turn your boss to the Dark Side and get him posting on here
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
well, it's also the start of the semester
and my work hours just got a lot busier…..
There's no crying in baseball!
Damon was claimed by an unknown team on waivers. I hope it was us.
Theyre rumored to just let him go for the salary relief. Two extra FA picks for 1.8m? Sign me up.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
that should read FA comp picks
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This would actually be a really, really good thing if it was the A's.
Don’t really see any downside to it at this point. He almost certainly wouldn’t accept arbitration, so yay for the picks.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
um Id love for him to accept arb, hes far better than any of our OF options and might be my prefered FA signing at this point.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't want him before this season and I wouldn't want him for an extended period next year
I see nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be just as bad as the first time he was in Oakland.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hes been pretty awesome this year.
arbitration would be a one year deal.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the arbitration risk is worth the potential picks involved.
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BLOOM. For men.
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you have to offer the arb to get the picks, right?
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
unless someone signs them before you have to make the deadline to offer them arb and then its just a formality
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If we're actually going to be good next year (debatable)
I’m not so sure he’d for sure decline arb. He’s going to breakdown sooner or later, and he would get a series of one-year contracts for maybe less than arb numbers.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Shrug
If he does, then the worst that happens is you lose some games the next season. If he shows up and is hopeless, you can cut him in spring training at significant cost savings.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He's definitely been good, but a lot worse than last year.
I’d just like the A’s to stay away from old guys who have hitter’s park-inflated offensive numbers.
Damon might be an okay stopgap upgrade, but I’d rather they just get someone who is going to be really good for a while.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Perm: do both
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I <3 Perms
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
lol its a debate term
Its short for a permutation which is itself a term stolen from math but basically it means you can do both the plan and the counter plan so the counter plan isn’t a reason to vote against the plan. It makes it so that arguments arent Plan: Keep the A’s in Oakland, Counterplan: Feed the hungry. There is no clash and no debate because you can keep the A’s in Oakland and feed the hungry.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Back in the day, we used to say, "CP is non-competitive"
but I understand that topical CPs are now acceptable, which makes this old hypo-tester’s heart sad.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
hypothesis testing is boring
its way more fun to let the aff claim ground and then let the neg claim whats left. That way you don’t ever really have to argue something you don’t believe in.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I know another way
to never have to argue something you don’t believe in.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Plan inclusive counterplans?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Plan exclusive counter plans?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd guess not bothering to say anything at all.
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BLOOM. For men.
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yeah thats a terrible way to go through life.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Say what?
Not arguing something you don’t believe in is a terrible way to go through life? Why would you want to waste your time on something you have no stake in?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
deciding not to argue about things in is a terrible way to go through life.
Also Ive never seen a perfect idea.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, dfa....
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm simply talking about things you don't give a shit about
And things you have no stake in. There’s lots of fun things to do in life, why waste it on an argument that gains you nothing?
Now, something you do have a stake and do care about, argue away and go at it full force. But arguing for arguings sake. Well, the problem with that is that now every time you argue, your argument is weakened. Not in relation to skill, but if someone knows you only argue because you care, they’re more likely to engage you more frankly knowing full well that you actually care about it.
If you argue all the time, people are more inclined to brush you off because they won’t think you care so when really do care about something, you’re not going to be taken seriously. It’s sort of the argumentative version of the “boy who cried wolf.”
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I see what youre saying.
I like to argue because it sharpens my rhetorical skills.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I never found it boring
and it seems to me to be the most direct, Occams-razor way of dealing with the reality of a debate round:
There’s a statement asserting something (usually a matter of values, not of fact).
One team argues that the statement is true.
The other argues that it isn’t.
The judge (giving presumption to Neg, since one doesn’t assume statements are true without a reason) asks, at the end of the round, “Based on what I’ve heard in this round, do I tend to think this statement is true?”
If the answer is “yes”, judge votes Aff. If not, s/he votes Neg.
As for your point about arguing something you don’t believe in, a) tough sh*t; b) I don’t see how letting neg claim all non-aff ground = always getting to argue what you believe in (what if you oppose all capital punishment and Aff runs “ban all capital punishment”?); c) I don’t see the connection between arguing what you don’t believe in and a boring debate — I was in scores of interesting debates in which I argued for positions I didn’t believe in; d) it seems to me that it would encourage unbelievably boring, squirrelly crap: Aff plan says 15-month implementation; Neg CP says 14 months! Under hypo-testing, assuming both are topical, P and CP are both arguments supporting the resolution, and thus make me vote Aff. Under “Neg=whatever isn’t Aff plan” (unless I misunderstand what you mean by that, which I well might) I actually have to base my ballot on the difference of one month.
Anyway, debate isn’t for me, it’s for the people doing it now, and if I don’t like it and they do, then it is what it is and that’s fine. I’m old enough that the big technological innovation during my highschool career was…Post-It notes! “You mean I can flow my extra-topicality underview on these little sticky things before the tournament, and just put them on my flow, instead of writing out my subpoints — and then reuse them next round? Cool!” But my biases are my biases, and I found hypotesting to be a very, very useful paradigm for all kinds of debate: on-topic, LD, off-topic.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I like the actor spec counterplans
because I like the nittty gritty detailed policy stuff.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if I'm judging the "14 months vs. 15th months" round
you may win, but I doubt you’ll come out of it with good speaks.
The term “actor spec” is unfamiliar to me — is that “actor specifying/specific”? Because those are old, old, old. Any resolution that specifies the Federal Gov’t gets counterplanned with “Federalism/states” and the neg claims fiat to have every state do something on their own. That is in fact competitive (because the counterplan is for the Federal gov’t not to do the Aff plan) and is also non-topical (assuming the resolution specifies that the Federal Government act). I have to say, though, that those were pretty dull debates.
Here’s an example where I think we would differ. My junior year of high school, the resolution was “BIRT the United States should establish uniform rules governing the procedure of all criminal courts in the nation.” That is a very, very broad resolution, obviously. Two popular plans had to do with tv cameras in the courts (this was nearly 30 years ago, so while some criminal courts had cameras, it was rare and the Berger SCOTUS was hostile to the idea). One case was “allow cameras everywhere”. The other was “ban cameras everywhere.” Both plans are topical, since they both establish a uniform rule governing procedure in all criminal courts in the nation.
To me, if Aff runs “ban cameras everywhere” and Neg runs a CP of “allow them everywhere”, while the plans are obviously mutually exclusive and competitive, they’re also both obviously topical. Neg is also arguing that the Unites States should establish uniform rules governing the procedure of all criminal courts in the nation. They just want to quibble about what those rules are, but the resolution doesn’t have to do with the substance of the rules. So as far as I’m concerned, in that whole round I’m not hearing a single argument against the resolution, and I’m voting Aff.
If AN has a debate: BIRT Jack Cust should be the A’s’ starting DH, and I argue that he should be the starting DH because he gets on base so much, while you argue that he should be the starting DH because he hits lots of HRs, no one is arguing against the resolution. So the ballot goes Aff. If Neg’s ground is simply “not the resolution” then there’s no need for a resolution in the first place: just announce a topic area (“Debates this year will concern rules governing criminal procedure in US courts”), let the Aff define what they’re arguing for on a round-by-round basis, and let Neg argue against it. But that’s not the structure of on-topic debate. As long as there’s a resolution, I think it’s my job as the judge to vote based on it, not just to ignore it. And if Neg refuses to argue against it, while Aff argues for it, Aff wins. It might be a low-speaks win if Neg are better arguers or better speakers, but this isn’t an IE, it’s debate.
The off-topic debate I did in college was somewhat different: these days, I understand that resolutions are pretty specific, policy-oriented, and debatable. Back in the mid-late 80s, they were bizarre or jokey (“BIRT: Life is Beer”) and the Gov’s first job was to “interpret” the resolution. One round the resolution was “BIRT: I do not like green eggs and ham” and my partner and I defined “I” as “The USA” and tinkered with the punctuation so that it read “I do not like green, eggs, and ham” — thus we defined the resolution as “The USA no longer culturally identifies itself as an agrarian/rural society” or something like that. In that style of parliamentary debate, our standard was that once Gov defined the resolution, you went with their “interpretation”, but that their interpretation was what was at stake in the round. So the hypothesis to be tested was the Gov interpretation of the resolution – presumably if Opp argued something that fit into the rubric (say, Gov provides arguments that US is mainly urban, Opp says US is mainly suburban, but both would support “no longer agrarian”), then the ballot flows Gov.
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Wow... that would be interesting.
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[pouts that I was not mentinoed by name]
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Youre like Richmond we won't let you out of the server room long enough to get sued
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you see Cody Ross got let go on waivers?
Christ but the Marlins are cheapskates. The players there are NOT happy about that situation. Nor should they be.
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yeah, but I also don't think that Ross is worth his arby award. They should have traded him at the deadline.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I’m seeing $6M or so bandied about as his salary for next year. He’s a guy who starts every day against lefthanders and is essentially 4th outfielder quality against righthanders— generally accruing 2 or more WAR a season. Easily worth $6M IMO.
Hell, if the Giants nontender him I’ll be arguing that the A’s should sign him…
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I'm waiting for the Giants to unveil their 7 outfielder defensive alignment.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
he seems a lot like Ryan Sweeney to me.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
'Cept Sweeney would play on the heavy side of the platoon split
That’s got to count for something, yeah?
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Really?!
I’d be hard pressed to think of two LESS alike outfielders than Ross and Sweeney. Ross has lots of power and poor contact skills; Sweeney the opposite. Ross is right-handed, Sweeney left-handed. Sweeney is good defensively (or was), Ross average-ish. Sweeney is injury-prone while Ross hasn’t been hurt since at least 2007.
I’m not seeing this comparison at all.
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i meant in terms of value.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If Ryan Sweeney was the 2009 version I'd pay $6M for him
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fair point but 2009 Sweeney was better than him
hes league average but I don’t see him as a first division starter type.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not exactly a "starter"
His proper role is as a “fourth starting outfielder” who plays 40 games against lefty starters and 60-80 spelling and/or replacing (when injured) the other outfielders against righties.
In that role, he will generate average WAR but using a below-average number of plate appearances.
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do you really think allocating that much money to a bench OF bat is the way to go?
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really think in terms of fixed budgets
but rather in terms of financial opportunities. If a deal makes sense, the team should take it regardless of the current status of the “budget” (and the opposite if it does not make sense).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I enthusiastically agree with this.
A bad deal is still a bad deal, even if you’ve got extra money sitting around. A good deal is still a good deal, even if you need to rustle up the funds from somewhere.
(One thing I’ve gotten out of the recently released financials, by the way — I’ve only skimmed one and a half of them so far — is that on both of the ones I looked at, signing bonuses are capitalized and amortized over the life of the contract. It seems like in budget debates here and elsewhere signing bonuses are generally treated as if they’re a current-year expense, which perhaps doesn’t accord with the teams’ style of budgeting.)
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I think there is a certain amount of money and you have to order your
opportunities in terms prioritizing the biggest payout.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This is just a convenient fiction though
There’s never just “a certain amount of money.” If an opportunity is good enough, it justifies borrowing more money at some level of interest rate. If an opportunity isn’t even good enough to beat out throwing the money into some low-risk investment, it’s not worth taking even if the money is there theoretically waiting to be spent.
The reason why the A’s don’t spend much is not that they literally “don’t have” access to money, it’s that they know that many of the expenditures are, in their market, going to produce poor enough returns that it’s not worth it to take on financial liabilities to pay for them.
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According to SI's Jon Heyman
Boston claimed Damon, but he has a no-trade clause. (twitter)
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We'll see.
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damon has no-trade to boston. so theres a complication.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Detroit just lets him go.
I can’t see why the A’s wouldn’t have put in a claim. It’s basically paying $1.5 million for two compensation picks.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it
That hasn’t been our style for a couple years now
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
and this is why I think Beane has lost his touch
this is exactly the kind of thing that we use to do to get ahead. Yeah can we have one extra C grade prospect in this deal that you really don’t care that much about.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
lol smart cookie after ditching them to go to the yankees hed get eaten alive.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome!
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Stockton Ports Grant Green was named California League Player of the Week and Shawn Haviland was named California League Pitcher of the Week
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
Anybody here been to Oktoberfest before?
I’m in Europe, and trying to get there next month but can’t find a cheap way. Any advice?
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is not there a munich oktoberfest/beer scene in Mondo Cane?
alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho. --- theme for august = remain calm and try to truly enjoy a .500 team.
Don went. But it was in Oakland.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
New Guy thinks he needs surgery
for his owie. per suslu
I realize that was yesterday, but Who reads this stuff on the weekends?
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Hi.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
An A’s player with an injury problem that the team either a. didn’t discover with due diligence, or b. knew about and figured he could “play through” anyway?
I’m shocked. Shocked. Never would I have guessed this.
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I think either Dr. Nick or Dr. Spaceman is the team physician
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If he's had this since spring training, the DBacks should've known about it, too.
And really, they probably did but traded him anyway, knowing the A’s medical staff is run by Dr. Nick.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, I'm kind of insulted by the tone of that comment
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Well, no, not a LICENSED doctor, if you want to get all technical about it...
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm not understanding why you linked me to google.
If you’re serious, a sports hernia is when the abdominal wall gets weakened, but not to the point where insides start pushing out. There’s no bulge from the intestine coming through the abdominal wall, and it affects all sorts of other stuff since it basically takes away most of your core strength.
It requires the same surgery as a regular hernia does, though… they basically repair the abdominal wall by stitching surgical mesh to it.
Pam liked my old sig better.
I didn't really understand the difference between
regular hernia and sports. I had double hernia surgery a few years ago and there were indeed bulges.
So this is a weakening higher on you body than a regular hernia?
The link to google was just a gag in case someone asked me to do it myself.
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With a regular hernia, the abdominal wall will tear enough that the intestine can actually push out
and there will be a visible bulge (TWSS)
With a sports hernia, it’s more like a bunch of small tears that aren’t big enough for the intestine to push out.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Maybe he's not going anywhere.
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stay tuned. RT @ed_price Damon can block and told me he’s not inclined to go back to Boston.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
He can block a trade, but not the Tigers just letting him go for nothing
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Not correct
No-trade clauses block trade-waiver claims. The only way to get rid of a player with a no-trade clause (or 10-and-5 rights), if he doesn’t waive it, is to unconditionally release him.
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It's a slow news day.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions
Chinese Taipei has a 23-0 lead over Canada in the LLWS in the fourth inning.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions
I blame
the Canadian coaches’ pants.
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by Englishmajor on Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I have successfully avoided
even accidentally watching any of that stage dad crap this year.
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I don't think we'll see Strasburg until 2011, but that's just a guess.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
Hopefully we see him in 2011
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Byebye Travis
susanslusser
It sounds as if Travis Buck has been optioned out again but I don’t know the corresponding move yet. #Athletics
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Per Slusser: Buck optioned down
susanslusser It sounds as if Travis Buck has been optioned out again but I don’t know the corresponding move yet. #Athletics
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didn't people say that calling buck up
had some roster management positive consequence that I assume will be negated by this move?
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Yep. They missed using his last option by like 2 days when he was taken off the DL and then sent to AAA.
Why they’re sending him down with Conor Jackson broken I have no idea.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Ummmm... maybe because he's the worst OF on the team....
And THAT says a lot.
by Brett Narloch on Aug 23, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
don't worry
he’ll be a superstar once he’s traded
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for two months then end up back on the DL
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should trade all our extra OFs and Tyson Ross for Kemp.
Rajai, Buck, The Matts, and Ross.
Someone call Ned.
Pam liked my old sig better.
I don't know why people are down on Kemp
He’s talented as hell. I’d love it if we could acquire him.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably because he's having the worst year of his career...
And doesn’t appear to be learning anything.
His WAR (.6) is about what Jackson’s would be if Jackson had played all year.
by Brett Narloch on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
change-of-scenery, maybe?
I don’t think his career is truly in the crapper.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
People seem pretty quick to scream “outlier” with great seasons, but it can happen with piss-poor seasons as well. I wouldn’t mind having that guy.
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He's the value investing opportunity of MLB players right now
Tremendous talent, but poor results. The Dodgers may just give him up for the right price. Mort, Ellis, and Davis maybe?
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 24, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
there is no way that deal gets done.
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by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The team that acquires him will probably give him more than 3 games to prove himself
It’s pretty clear that, for whatever reason, Geren just personally hates Travis Buck. It’s been clear for three years now.
Buck might suck, but I have little doubt that Geren just doesn’t like the guy and really doesn’t care if he turns into Babe Ruth with another team.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don't understand the Travis Buck stuff.
Yes, he’s been bad lately, but it still doesn’t make sense to me how they’ve been treating him.
I’ve reached the point where I hope he finds his way to another team where he can make a fresh start. And if he turns out great wherever goes, I’ll be happy for him.
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His career with the A's re: their handling of his PT has definitely been a head-scratcher
Almost Admiral Halsey-esque.
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They must want to burn the option on purpose.
That’s the only thing I can come up with. Even if they just left him up here for a week, for when rosters expand to 40, Geren could resume letting him rot on the bench to his heart’s content.
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This is stupid.
I mean, if you’re gonna call a guy up, at least give him a chance to play more than 2 or 3 games. Stop messing with them. Seriously.
by whiteshoes40 on Aug 23, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Just took a look at the schedule: Only 2 scheduled off days left.
This makes me very happy. I like baseball, and I don’t like days without it.
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by thejd44 on Aug 23, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
talk about a stretch run
Lot of games, little time
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Nooooo
susanslusser
So to recap, the Chronicle has learned Travis Buck was sent out, Watson or Carson will join team in Cleveland. #Athletics
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Damn, you beat me.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised
A smidge surprised. I’m the Pepsi One of surprised. 1 calorie of surprised.
I mean, a Matt instead of Buck? It’s a lateral move but it keeps Travis from getting any MLB PT. Does not compute.
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It also effectively ends his career as an Oakland Athletic. If he can't be kept over one of the Matts
then he’s going to be nontendered this offseason, because he’ll be out of options and he won’t clear waivers.
Pam liked my old sig better.
How would it?
Well, unless they’re going to bench Buck in Sacramento, too
Pam liked my old sig better.
They wouldn't play Carson or Watson there either though, right?
Actually, Carson was in CF last night.
Who knows
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That's my point on Corey Brown. He should be playing CF in Sacto
by stm72 on Aug 23, 2010 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i didnt realize Carson was playing cf
I thought Wimberly was getting the bulk of cf time but I never bothered checking
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by mikev on Aug 23, 2010 5:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I'm not so sure he won't clear waivers
But I agree the A’s want somebody to claim him on waivers.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Watson seems pretty decent
Carson seems like a waste of time.
Buck got a lot of chances to succeed. Was moderately successful, then terrible, then often-injured. But he looked considerably overmatched at the MLB level.
Do you really think he won’t clear waivers?
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 23, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Boo.
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It sounds as if Matt Watson will take Buck’s roster spot if he is 100 percent after kidney stone; otherwise it’s Matt Carson. #Athletics
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM PDT reply actions
but I had not heard it was a kidney stone that landed him on the DL
interesting.
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earwigs. In his ears.
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
and that’s not half as bad as it sounded to her!
really don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Aug 24, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the earwigs whisper things as they enter your ear...
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
nibbling like an earwig
winding through your brain
bound like lawrence harvey
spreadeagle to a bed
really don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Aug 24, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
your stock just went up with me.
Too bad you didn’t put a subject line in there, because that’s gonna bother iglew so much that he’s not going to be able to appreciate it. He might have thought you wrote it yourself, too…
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by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless it's Billy Joel or Queen,
I have little capacity to appreciate songs from the 1980s.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm for it.
I bet Buck said something stupid to a coach or a teammate.
Buck is done… get rid of him.
by Brett Narloch on Aug 23, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a wash
None of them are deserving of an MLB roster spot at this point.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Why the fuck do we want to give Matt Watson at bats?
This team…
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Aug 23, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If only there was some mashing outfielder in AAA
who just needed some MLB experience to adjust.
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
no, but it's weird
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just a compliment...
..about your beard being good
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
I'm going to Target.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
holy smokes. this DLD is all about baseball!
ok fine. i’ll keep it close to the theme. here’s a song by a guy from the bronx who wears a really cool baseball hat.
really don't care if i ever get back.
I'm struck by how accurate the Forbes profit estimates are
I’m also struck by the relatively low level of capital expenditure that a baseball team has (relative to revenues), despite the stadium facilities.
Good finds, DFA. Very interesting stuff.
Charlie O' and the Golden Seals
Not sure if this was ever linked, but it’s a great story about Finley and the 1970’s NHL Golden Seals:
Before Lou Lamoriello, Devils made waves in NHL, there was Charlie Finley and his Golden Seals
He also made his players wear white skates, colorful uniforms and wanted to introduce an orange puck. The league rejected his puck idea….
sound familiar?
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions
Wow. Can't wait to read that. I'm actually reading a newly-released book on Finley.
I'm here to talk about the past.
excellent!
what’s the title?
^ Finley’s Oakland Seals vs the St.Louis Blues
The A’s on ice!!
You can peruse a gallery and read more about the Seals here – like how their mascot ‘Sparky the Seal’ was created by Charles Schulz (a season ticket holder) and ‘Krazy George’ rocking Seals home games
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I bought that one! Haven't started it yet though.
We should get together and discuss it. Maybe write a book review and give presentations. Our very own book club!
by LoneStranger on Aug 24, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahoy
I mentioned this last week, but I immensely enjoyed Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. It’s directed by Edgar Wright, of Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz quasi-fame. (He also did a BBC show called Spaced which was, keeping in line with his other work, excellent).
Unfortunately, Scotty didn’t do too good on opening weekend. So I come to recommend it.
There’s not much you need to know before you see it. Scott’s a twenty-something who was raised by video games, TV, music, and pop culture in general. He basically sees himself as the hero of his own little universe. The movie gets this across with a healthy dose of surrealism and a commitment to elasticity.
Anyway, he meets the girl of his dreams and finds out he has to fight her evil exes to continue dating her. Hello metaphor for dealing with your significant other’s emotional baggage.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Continued...
… because I accidentally clicked “Post.”
Wrapping this up, it’s fast-paced, entertaining, and all-round good times. The music is excellent, with songs written by Beck exclusively for the movie. The actors did their own vocals in the film, which is pretty cool. And the whole thing smacks of originality. God forbid. The studio probably should have greenlit yet another crappy sequel or old TV series rehash.
I mean, people actually paid to see Vampires Suck. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
Here endeth the soapboxery.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Thanks for the recommedation
From the trailer alone it looked like a film I wouldn’t mind catching on the big screen.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
See ya CJax
We hardly knew ye.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
FISTEE?
Pam liked my old sig better.
by mikev on Aug 23, 2010 5:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I do not follow. LoL.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Should we DFA Jackson this off season
or should we try and resign him for cheap. If he does sign cheap, he’d be a good 4th OF option (better than Gross or The Brothers Matt).
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
Non-Tender him. If he comes cheap so be it.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
I could certainly understand if they just let him walk
But I don’t know, I guess I’m a glutton for punishment because when I see that he’s been dealing with a sports hernia it seems like that’s a fairly easily fixable problem which would explain why his power never really returned after his illness. Even while hurt he managed to show his usually good plate discipline.
Honestly the A’s should probably just stay away from guys with his long injury history, but I can’t help but think he could be kept pretty cheaply and there aren’t a lot of better options readily available.
why DFA him? Either non tender him or option him down
I believe he has an option left no?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll have 5 years of big league service time
He’d be able to refuse the minor league assignment.
The monster at the end of this blog.
oh good point.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 23, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Astrophil and Stella XVIII
With what sharp checks I in myself am shent
When into Reason’s audit I do go.
And by just counts myself a bankrupt know
Of all those goods which heav’n to me hath lent;
Unable quite to pay e’en Nature’s rent
Which unto it by birthright I do owe,
And, what is more, no good excuse can show
But that my wealth I have most idly spent:
My youth doth waste; my knowledge brings forth toys,
My wit doth strive those passions to defend
Which, for reward, spoil it with vain annoys.
I see my course to lose myself doth bend.
I see — and yet no greater sorrow take
Than that I lose no more for Stella’s sake.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Texas as a combined no-hitter in progress, thru 8
vs Minn.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
Spoiled by Mauer, off Feliz
with 2 outs left
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread is broken, it's not showing new comments.
Last time I checked it had 172 comments, now it’s 193 and still none marked new.
I really wish that this bug would get fixed.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Switch to Safari.
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)
Seriously, it looks fine for me here, and it looked fine at work, too. Maybe you need to reboot or something?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm using Chrome.
Also, it only happens with this thread, or with one thread at a time, anyway. Leads me to believe it’s more of a backend database problem than it is with my browser.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Well played iglew, well played :)
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
It just happened to me
I’m logged in, and it says there’s no new comments on any fanpost.
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
Is Travis Buck a closet drunk or something?
I’d love to really know why the A’s hate him so much. There has to be a reason, even if it isn’t a good one.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I think Trav being a closet drunk...
… would be an excellent reason to like him. I mean, if he’s not going to play at all, he can at least entertain the dudes in the dugout.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
I can't figure it out for the life of me.
It has to be something, though. I don’t think he’s anything special, but he’s so much younger than the Matts, it doesn’t make any sense.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
An excellent question
My choice being: Who’s puppy did he run over in the parking lot?
Even if the A’s didn’t have plans for keeping him around, the remaining option added to Buck’s diminished trade value.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's got to be personal.
Perhaps he rubs people up the wrong way.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I resisted the "they must hate him" logic
for a long time, because I think people are too quick to jump to such conclusions simply because they don’t know all the facts.
But it’s reached the point where I’m ready to join them. It’s just so weird.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Is Ray Ratto actually a walrus?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
coo coo cachoo
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
hmm
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is anyone here?
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions
no
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 23, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm, I guess not.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Late!
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
should we go back to the CT thread?
(No offense to DFA’s fine DLD.)
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
I am not sure, really.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today.
I wish, I wish he’d go away..
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a coke slurpee
Anyone with good poison tonight?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
sure
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Rivercats
Held a 6-3 advantage before surrendering 4 runs in the 7th/8th to lose 7-6 vs Salt Lake, falling two back of Fresno: boxscore
Ports currently in San Jose and locked in a 5-5 tie, bottom 9: boxscore
Last night, the Giants defeated the Ports 7-1 to end their 14-game win streak. booo
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 10:27 PM PDT reply actions
At least Carter was 2-for-5 with a home run.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 23, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn. Walk-off bottom 9, San Jose wins 6-5.
Wendell Fairley single off Trey Barham scores Ehire Adrianza.
"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.
by SwisherThresher on Aug 23, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha! They just showed the clip of Kevin the ballboy here in LA
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
Kevin is a celebrity.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I had a chance to skim through the Pirates financials.
I don’t see why there’s any controversy at all over the $20m distribution. The explanation makes perfect sense. If anything is shocking it’s that they didn’t make distributions to cover partners’ income taxes for 2008 or 2009. That means the partners had to pay income tax on income that they never actually received. That would suck.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Its politics. In politics things that look bad and aren't are far worse than things that are bad and look ok
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions
But the only reason it even LOOKS bad
is because the sports fans reading that story are ignorant.
But yeah, I guess that’s how it is….
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
have you ever met a voter?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Aug 24, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this common? Do other teams make cash distributions to their owners to cover these types of taxes?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems normal to me, but
I am truly ignorant of large companies. In spite of DFA’s flattering words, my experience is fairly narrow, and anyone with an MBA surely knows corporate finance better than I do. Even in addition to the fact that before this week none of the baseball teams revealed such things.
It’s completely normal among the sort of small business partnerships that are my firm’s clients. Typically they actually write the check to the IRS out of the company account — because in their mind, it’s the company’s tax bill — and then we come along later and say, “well, technically that’s a personal expense” so we reclass it as a distribution and that’s how it appears on the books. Same idea with sole proprietorships.
With regard to the Pirates, my first thought is that if they own the company they can take whatever profit they like. And then I see that the only reason this is an issue is not because anyone thinks partners aren’t allowed to recognize profit, but because they made some sort of public announcement that all profits are going back into the team and no one is taking any money out of it personally. And that’s true. They aren’t taking the money personally, they’re taking it out to pay an expense, but because of the way partnerships are taxed this shows as a distribution.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
this is a day late and a dollar short, but I thought you'd be interested
It seems the description of the Pirates’ ‘profits’ is more like a description of increased cash flow
Weigh the comments more heavily than the article at Fangraphs
especially check out a Pgh CPA’s take on the actual viability of the leaked financials w/r/t the small market teams here
I think we (as A’s fans) could be staring at the worst of all possible worlds because the political winds seem to be saying “there’s too much revenue sharing” whereas the reality is, when considering the costs of building stadiums and taking on debt to do so, there’s not enough revenue sharing. this might mean, if the a’s get a new stadium built, no matter how many fans it attracts at first, they could find themselves in an even worse financial hole, which seems to be what’s happened to Pittsburgh. And judging from the ‘crowd’ at Cleveland last night, that ‘new stadium effect’ doesn’t take too long to hit these days without a good/great product on the field.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Aug 25, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a day late.
Good information remains interesting. If this were just one-day gossip and then gone, I wouldn’t care. The reason I’m interested is because once it is digested it will inform intelligent debate for years to come.
I intend to read all of this stuff more carefully when I have more free time, and I’ll add your link to the list. Thanks.
I honestly don’t understand where this “too much revenue sharing” attitude is coming from. I’ve seen several comments along those lines here on AN, but it doesn’t make sense to me. I wonder if this isn’t just a fan overreaction to a simple reality that they just hadn’t thought about before (ie, that financial success and game success are two different things).
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I agree.
that financial success and game success are two different things
If the teams can’t stay afloat, they won’t exist.
When the crappy financial teams teams are moved or contracted, MLB loses their foothold in that region. If the team is contracted, then there are less sources of income via TV deals and merchandise. If the team is constantly sold, owners will eventually figure it out and there will be less people willing to risk owning the team. That would mean franchise value declines (or doesn’t raise so much) with less competition from potential owners. So MLB gives the teams money so they can still exist as an extension of the overall business.
The attitude of “too much revenue sharing” should probably be “revenue sharing not used wisely.” When teams receiving money don’t do anything to get out of the hole it ruins the system.
What if MLB kept the revenue sharing (either all or part) in an account for the team and the team had to go to MLB to use the money? Require that the teams have to spend it on players, either signings or development/scouting, or on case-by-case basis for other reasons (new stadium savings/upgrades, for example). Put a cap on the account ($75-100M?) so if they don’t use it, they don’t get any more.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
this is a good solution
Much better than the ‘penalize them’, which is numbers and triggers-based. In this case, a team can plead whatever special case might apply to them…
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Aug 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That mechanism already exists.
The revenue sharing agreement specifies that all such funds received must be spent “to improve the product on the field”. If MLB wants to do what you say, they just have to be a little more aggressive in how they define and enforce that.
So far, so long as your total payroll is higher than your total revenue sharing, you’re off the hook. It almost always is — the only exception being those few years when the Marlins payroll dropped to even more ridiculously low than it already was, and for those years MLB did go after them about it.
The problem is that there’s enough other revenue and expenses around that it’s easy to just draw a line from the revenue sharing income to payroll expenses without actually changing anything. That is, if you were going to spend $30m of your normal revenues on payroll anyway, and then you get $20m in revenue sharing, you can just say, “oh, in that case we’ll use THAT money to pay the payroll and now THIS money is mine to keep” without changing the payroll at all.
I don’t think MLB keeping the revenue sharing money in a trust account is going to change that. Either they meddle in overall budgeting as a condition of revenue sharing or they don’t. If they want to take that step, they can do it with the mechanism already in place.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
What if they were required to match the revenue sharing in order to get it?
For example, if they wanted to get the full $20M from the sharing fund for players, etc, they’d have to spend $20M of their own as well.
by LoneStranger on Aug 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Die, pigs.
[sigh]
I miss G_S.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
I had been meaning to ask
where did that guy go? Was there a big scene and storming out of the building, but I just wasn’t reading AN that day?
kinda not really
just don’t go all flirty with new girls.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Can somebody explain the appeal of the Little League World Series?
Assuming your child ISN’T participating I mean.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Jingoism
The US is guaranteed a place in the Finals. Plus there’s a kind of Norman Rockwell Americana thing going on, with Williamsport and the kids and families and stuff. Allows people to tell a story about themselves that they’d like to be true, which is a big tradition in baseball (q.v. the utterly fictional “future Civil War hero Abner Doubleday invented baseball in Cooperstown, NY” story).
Or maybe people just like to laugh at 11-year-olds.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
That's probably why I turn the channel over then.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Jason Smith said the ratings for the LLWS have been good.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Good for them. It's still not my cup of tea.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Good for them. It's still not my cup of tea.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Isn't a cup of tea not your cup of tea?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Alright, Dr Nick. Way to pick up on the technicalities.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
GYMNASTICS!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
LLWS pisses me off more than anything in the world.
Those are absolutely not the best 11 year old players. The best 11 year olds are playing on fields that are longer than 200 feet, taking leads, and pitching from more than 45 feet or wtv it is.
A's Fan Studying in Sweden
I knew it all along!
Rotoworld_BB
C. Lee -S -TEX: Cliff Lee claims he does not hate Texas http://tinyurl.com/m6tt7l
1 minute ago via API
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
Can you imagine this guy with Ozzie Guillen?
mlbtraderumors
White Sox Plan To Claim Manny Ramirez http://bit.ly/daunEJ #mlb
19 minutes ago via twitterfeed
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions
ok, here goes… manny’s on the toilet, which he clogged with towels. again. ozzie’s standing in two inches of water while pounding on stall door, either asking if manny could substitute with, or explaining that manny is, a piece of sheet.
really don't care if i ever get back.
by AV on Aug 24, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep it going, please.
OaklandAs
Today’s #Athletics starter Gio Gonzalez is 3-0 with a 1.16 ERA in four career starts against the #Indians.
half a minute ago via web
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
SuSlu reports that Splatt Carson's being called up to replace Buck
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Buck, Watson and Carson have combined to give us a -0.7 WAR in 42 games.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
f those guys
We should just recall Wolf and if something happens, put Powell out there. He can’t be worse.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 24, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know most of my Buck love is irrational,
but sending him down after 13 AB’s for Matt freaking Carson is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
A's Fan Studying in Sweden
Gross, but no Kouz
joestiglich
#Athletics lineup: Crisp CF, Barton 1B, Suzuki C, Cust DH, Ellis 2B, Gross RF, Davis LF, Larish 3B, Pennington SS, Gio P
3 minutes ago via mobile web
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
That lineup sucks.
But the really sad part is that there’s no way to rearrange it to make it any better.*
(*This statement based on the assumption that, for whatever reason, batting Pennington #9 is now considered mandatory.)
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Hey, Larish is playing third base.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
that's fine
Kouz has been terrible lately. Give him a rest.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Aug 24, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Did we know Larish could play third?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Yeah, but I doubted he would ever see time over there unless Kouzmanoff was injured.
"You're all like big fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Damon isn't going to back to Boston.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
Elaborating, he went on to say
You’re the best city I’ve ever known. There’s no way I can ever go. No, no, there’s no way. No, no, no, no way. […]
I don’t wanna be a free agent. I’m staying, I’m staying. And you, and you, you’re gonna love me!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Ouch!
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 24, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
Wonder what Ed's thinking...
Oh, wait, nevermind. You just said.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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