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Sunday, Babbling Sunday: Carter Time!

Flashfire sure do know how to take some pictures.

This has been a rough week to be an A's fan. Not exactly soul crushing, but sobering.

I mean, at long last we get Carter Time and he hits like it's Ginter Time. Or maybe that is a bit harsh on Ginter?

And, yes I know it is a bit harsh on Carter, too. He is brand new, and all. And maybe he is just doing what he always does when jumps a level. Well, in any event, the Carter call up seemed a last ditch effort to stay relevant in this season. Now that Texas is playing Dragonslayer, and staying more than 8 games up on the rest of the division, it is time to start thinking about next season. Or is it?

Star-divide

For me, the answer is pretty much, "Yes."

Now that I have cleared that up, we come to the big questions. Who are we going to be watching for the next 4-6 years? Who will the A's be trading? Who will the A's be Non Tendering? Who should the A's be targeting this offseason? Will Eric Chavez return? Okay, the last one is a joke.

Seeing as how humility is a theme in these parts, lately, I should admit I expected Michael Taylor to be crushing in Sacramento long ago. Therefore, I don't feel qualified to answer any of these questions. Heck, who needs answers? Instead, I spent the past week writing down random questions about all things A's.

Please answer at your convenience.

1. With Moneyball coming out next season, should the A's be trying to capitalize on cross marketing  in some way?

2. Say the A's created some "Bobblehead Six Pack" for season ticket holders. Say it was 20 Game Win Streak themed (to go along with Moneyball). What players would be in it and why?

3. Is Adrian Cardenas ever gonna be good above AA?

4. Like 3 years ago, did anyone ever think Cliff Pennington was going to better than Bobby Crosby? Really?

5. How did I not see the Rosales injury coming?

6. Ditto Ynoa (same link)?

7. Does anyone else think this offseason is Billy's chance to prove them all stupid?

See you at game thread time.

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Fast money round?

1. Yes
3. Yes
4. Probably not
5. Ugh me too
6. See 5
7. YES (all caps) Uggla or gtfo.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Aug 15, 2010 2:20 AM PDT reply actions  

3. Yes. No doubt about it. He's already been good in Sacramento in a small sample size. He'll be fine

4. Yes, but not because I ever thought Pennington was good. I just really never, ever liked Bobby Crosby.
5. Maybe he shouldn’t put so much unnecessary stress on himself by sprinting on a walk
6. That one was pretty obvious.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Aug 15, 2010 5:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I know you've said this before and don't like it
5. Maybe he shouldn’t put so much unnecessary stress on himself by sprinting on a walk

But I do want to comment on this. The man is a professional athlete. If he cannot run to first on a walk because of health issues then he has problems beyond what is regular. His body is in pristine condition. He is exercising for hours every day, he is paid to run around.

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts

1. Definitely.
2. The game and the fandom has a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately quality; it would really depend on who did what during the streak. I could see Ellis, Kouzmanoff, Crisp being the position players that contribute most in a hypothetical streak. The rest would probably be starting pitchers who were most dominate — heck SPs could make up four or five of the six pack.
3. Tough call. What if he was but just not in Green & Gold.
4. Not me.
5. Nope.
6. I always want to be optimistic but there comes a time when I read about these things and my reaction to a new announced injury with a previously injured guy is, “But of course!”
7. Beane has had moves that haven’t panned with the same frequency like they did throughout the oughts. Beane is now competing with more GMs who are now seeking the unconventional value plays…to the point where one cannot realy call it unconventional. Sheets was an opportunity that didn’t pan. I think the only way Beane looks genius going forward is to get lucky with a bunch of prospects that pan within a short period of time. Arm injuries to million dollar arms and kids retiring from the game for some higher-calling doesn’t help matters.

And, yes, I think a possibility of a post-season run was pretty much not possible [not talking mathematically, mind you] by the ASB.

by LowcountryJoe on Aug 15, 2010 5:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I totally misunderstood and misread #2

Was thinking in the event of a new streak if one occurred. Don’t know why or how I came up with that after rereading it.

by LowcountryJoe on Aug 15, 2010 9:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with number two if a new streak started

honestly, the A’s starters eras have been awesome as of late. the difference? the offense is worse.

by Sniff009 on Aug 15, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this new streak idea. Can we start now?

I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 15, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every day that goes by

makes 20 game win streak look more and more like the only way to the playoffs.

rebuildingseason.blogspot.com

by Rebuilding Season on Aug 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

here goes nuthin

1. The A’s should always look for any way to positive promote the team, so yes

2.Miggy, Hatteberg, Ray Durham, Hernandez, Chavvy, Ellis (all for their contributions to The Streak. As for “what have you done for me lately”: another important marketing tool is to help fans learn the history of their team. The Streak is glorious A’s history.

3. Is Adrian Cardenas ever gonna be good above AA? sure, why not?

4. Like 3 years ago, did anyone ever think Cliff Pennington was going to better than Bobby Crosby? Really? Yes. By the time Pennington was drafted Crosby was already disappointing.

5. How did I not see the Rosales injury coming? More importantely, how did the A’s not see it, since it was an old injury that hadn’t healed?

6. Ditto Ynoa (same link)? What kind of health check did the A’s do?

7. Does anyone else think this offseason is Billy’s chance to prove them all stupid? Every offseason is Billy’s chance to “prove them all stupid>” But you don’t do that in the offseason , you do that on the field during the season.

by OaklandSi on Aug 15, 2010 7:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I always like to see a post from jeffro

1. Yes….how about getting some hitters so when the movie comes out the team is winning again?

2. How about something new?…Bobbleheads seem so 2003 to me.

3. (Dusts off crystal ball)…..I see him being traded this off-season and making it to the bigs in 2012.

4. I still have hope for Pennington and at least his Dad isn’t a jerk.

5. You had something smudged on your glasses.

6. Michael Ynoa is actually Joey Devine.

7. I’m rooting for David Forst to do a great job….who is this Beane guy?

But seriously, folks....

by sirbed on Aug 15, 2010 7:22 AM PDT reply actions  

hmmm...

Is that a sneaky religulous reference on a sabbath, for many?

Or an editorial commentary about miscommunication between the statheads and, I dunno, everybody else?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 15, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

{blinks hard}

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Aug 15, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 15, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. Yes, might as well.

2. Tejada, Chavez, Hatteberg, Hudson, Mulder, Zito

3. Yes, I say bring him up instead of Tolleson. Why not? This is not a playoff year anyway.

4. I’m suprised, I gave up on MoneyPenny (remember that nickname AN) a while ago. I don’t know if that is a testament on how bad BroCro was, or how bad our offense is now.

5. Predicted long ago by the Mayans

6. See above

7. I think Billy has mentally checked out. Every GM has their run before they move on to things that challenge them more, see: Sandy Alderson, Walt Jockety, etc… You can see by the last whiffs, he is winding down… Ethier, CarGon, etc…

by StewCrew on Aug 15, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I din't know if anyone would answer

for me, i only thought about the first 2:

1. The risk I see in making a big whoop about the Moneyball movie, is what if it is a flop? That won’t stop them from making a whoop.

2. Lidle (34 inning scoreless streak, anybody?), Hatteberg (rounding first), Bradford (with dirty knuckles), Mecir, Bill King (an updated one that plays only the “Hatte Walk Off Piece”) and Ken Korach (plays the call of Tejada’s Walk Off Piece for win number 18).

by jeffro on Aug 15, 2010 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I only put position players in the 2002 bobblehead pack

but you’re right, Corey Lidle as well as Bill King and Ken Korach should be included.

by OaklandSi on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hand out Magnante at the gates

And then have everyone line up inside to exchange for Rincon.

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about this last night.......and adjusted it this morning

The premiere of Moneyball should be held at the Coliseum the week before the season starts on the field. Let those who purchase season tickets for next year get in for free (or reduced cost), then have a limited number of tickets on sale for the film. Hell you can set up the “Big Screen” in centerfield, cover the infield and set it up that way.

I think A. You sell more season tickets and B. Get the fans excited about next year.

by Sniff009 on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Unless it's a terrible movie.

I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nien Nien Nien Nien

That part generated a large LOL :)

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Aug 16, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

My answers

1. Yes, of course they should cross-promote. Will they cross-promote? No, because it isn’t in Wolff’s interest to do more than the minimum. If crowds return to the Coliseum, Wolff’s arguments about Oakland would prove false.
2. Never happen.
3. Adrian Cardenas will eventually hit the majors, but it’s too soon to tell if he’s an AAAA player, a back-up, a regular, or a star.
4. Cliff Pennington was, to me, a revelation last year. Holding his own with a .260 average this year, his first full season, strikes me as a great accomplishment. The fact that he even made the majors at all, after his rise up the minors ladder, is a surprise.
5. The spate of injuries on all teams over the past three years makes me wonder about the banning of PEDs. Is there a relationship?
6. Ynoa: No one would have signed him ten years ago and he’d be out of baseball now. Any time a team signs a pitcher that young, these things happen. On the other hand, there’s no way anyone would have predicted this.
7. This is a key off-season. The pitching staff is playoff-ready; the rest of the team consists of useful parts who combine as a fairly terrible whole. How does Beane create a winner without taking away from the team’s strengths or negating its future? I think this off-season will show whether he really does have the chops, or whether a lot of it is hype.

Count me as someone who hasn’t given up on the season. No, I don’t think the team is going to get to the play-offs. But my standards are lower: I want to see a winning club. If Carter doesn’t do anything in the next four days, then the moment Jackson is ready, Carter should go down. It will only be temporary, for a couple of weeks, three maybe, but that’s my view and I’m sticking with it. No other player gets that kind of dispensation, why should Carter?

by richwol1 on Aug 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Re #1...

I agree they won’t cross promote, but rather due to complete indifference/incompetence on Wolff’s part rather than nefarious plotting against Oakland.

Admittedly, I’m an NRAF. And it’s possible that up close the gears of conspiracy are more visible.

In a way, I kind of hope they are.

‘Cause from a distance, the A’s ownership looks like it completely doesn’t give a damn at all.

And that’s really depressing.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the motive for conspiracy either. Why would another owner stop them if they wanted to move?

I agree on Wolff’s incompetence. He’s been focusing almost entirely on the stadium and seems frustrated and demoralized. AFAIK he’s never built a real business where he’s had to sell a product on an ongoing basis and build brand. Real estate isn’t like that.

I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would another owner want to stop them?

I think if there wasn’t opposition within MLB to the move, it would have been approved by now.. The move does several things: It opens the door to other moves (i.e. Tampa Bay to Northern New Jersey) and of course it creates issues with the Giants.

But it could be simpler and less conspiratorial: Wolff sees little reason in increasing a fan base he would lose anyway on the move down to San Jose.

by richwol1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

He may think this....

…but it’s shortsighted nonsense.

In the early 21st century, teams are marketed to more than the most local slice of the fanbase.

Fans of the A’s anywhere are a potential source of revenue. Fans of the team anywhere in the Bay Area are potential fannies in the seats anywhere else in the Bay Area.

Look where ANers live!

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A to your Q

1. Cross-marketing with Moneyball? Maybe a tiny bit but not much

2. Say the A’s created some “Bobblehead Six Pack” for season ticket holders. Say it was 20 Game Win Streak themed (to go along with Moneyball). What players would be in it and why? Lidle (good in streak), Hatteberg (20th game HR), Tejada, Mulder, Hudson and Zito (last 4 were the best players on the 2002 team other than Chavez who has bobbleheads already)

3. Is Adrian Cardenas ever gonna be good above AA? Serviceable yes, good probably not

4. Like 3 years ago, did anyone ever think Cliff Pennington was going to better than Bobby Crosby? Really? Not me in 2007

5. How did I not see the Rosales injury coming? You were distracted by all the other injuries

6. Ditto Ynoa (same link)? You must have. He’s hardly pitched

7. Does anyone else think this offseason is Billy’s chance to prove them all stupid? It’s his chance. I’m not sure it’s in him to spend big on big talent rather than bargain hunting though.

I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Regarding #7

He can totally do this.
Via sneaky or epic trade, free agency, whatever.
I’m very excited by what he could surprise us with, I hope some of the more negative nancy’s hop on-board with me. :)

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 AM PDT reply actions  

You want her?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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