Pathetic A's Offense Is Pathetic
by Nico on Aug 14, 2010 6:36 PM PDT
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PrintTrevor Cahill did his thing yet again today, firing 7 IP of 1 run ball -- only to leave trailing 1-0 and come out on the short end of a 2-0 final score. The A's latest beneficiary was Brian Duensing, who tossed his first career complete game and made it a 3-hit shutout. And no, Chris Carter did not have one of the hits.
How did the A's fare with runners in scoring position? Rajai Davis was picked off. That's it, folks. 0-0 with a pickoff.
The A's did not have an extra base hit, whereas the Twins parlayed one -- Alexi Casilla's double leading off the 3rd -- into a run with a sac bunt and a sac fly. The other run came in the 8th off of Craig Breslow, who has now allowed a run in each of his 5 August appearances.
Cahill's ERA now stands at 2.50 which, sadly, is about two-and-a-half runs too high to win for this current team in its current state. Cue Kevin Slowey: "Today-day-day-ay-ay-y...I consider myself-self-elf-f-f..."
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Whoa. Brian Duensing. No tease. I'm almost glad I missed it. Brian Duensing.
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He actually is a pretty solid pitcher
I’am biased though, I know him & family personally. But this day alone doesn’t take away from how pathetic our offense is. Really Kouz hitting cleanup?
OK say congrats on the win from us then.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I could just as easily say...
Whoa. Trevor Cahill. No tease. Trevor Cahill.
Yes Cahill is very good, this season is excellent, but he is also a young player who is proving himself in the big leagues.
Duensing was 5-1 down the stretch last season and started the first playoff game against the Yankees. He was our best bullpen pitcher all season until he got moved to the rotation and has continued to dominate in the rotation.
If you compare the numbers of the two pitchers you might see a lot of similarities!
By the way, you know that kinda irrelevant but awesome anyway streak Cahill has been on?
Just tied Nolan Ryan for most consecutive 5IP/6H outings.
That is everything besides his first start.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It is cool -- but I have to say
it’s one of the most arbitrary measuring sticks I’ve seen. I mean you could pretty easily do that 20 times in a row and be really terrible.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I bet the intern was bored the day he found out that stat.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Who?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Does he have a lot of time on his hands?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
may be arbitray, but still, limited company
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
Billy Beane has no credibility with me
unless this offseason he trades for some better hitters.
I’m ready for it to happen, please let it happen.
I think we want our hitters to smile and love Oakland in addition to hitting.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would they circle the trade deadline? I'm sure he wanted out long before that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be fine if they took out their hatred of Oakland/whatever
by smashing baseballs into Mount Davis.
up a notch
not a big one.
After seeing him play in Oakland, back down.
Me to MK!
All this pitching is going to waste night after night with no F@#$%^&g offense!
I watched the last three innings and that was painful enough. I would like to see the offense revamped in the off season and give the pitchers the run support they deserve. An don’t even get me started about that debacle last night……!
Hope we can pull out the game tomorrow. Go A’s!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
Send Carter back to AAA and bring up Travis Buck
He’s had his taste, he knows what he needs to work on. The A’s cannot afford to squander efforts like today by putting only eight men in the line-up, plus one dead spot.
I know all the arguments - but he’s overmatched. Let him work out the kinks during spring training next year, and start the season with the guy.
Buck should be up regardless because Larish is still here.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah....I don't see the point of Larish right now.
Barton is clearly healthy.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
To repeat the below post
0 for 16, with 7 Ks.
The A’s still have a good shot at a winning record, and a second place finish. Why blow it on someone who’s not ready - and you don’t want to put Carter on the bench.
I do, and other fans do
Jeez…we haven’t had a winning club since 2006.
It's more important that Carter gets his knocks dealt with now than it is winning a few more games
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Plus, if he gets hot he'll help the A's win games.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So we should burn him?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
One question...
Can I use a blow torch?
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
He didn't drown...oh wait
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Y'know I think their best ever work was:
Arthur: You don’t vote for kings.
Woman: Well how’d you become king then?
[Angelic music plays…]
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king!
Dennis: (interrupting) Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a
mandate from the masses, not from some farcicial aquatic ceremony!
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: Oh but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: SHUT UP!
Dennis: Oh but if I went ‘round sayin’ I was Emperor, just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to say Carter's not ready.
He’s struggling, but tore up AAA to the point where I don’t think there’s much left there for him.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
I'm probably definitely in the minority,
but I agree with you. Let him adjust, let him have some success, let him experience being successful here instead of going down with an 0 for 16 hanging over him.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I don't think you're in the minority with this.
But if you are, we both are.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
Maybe a poll would be interesting --
let me add one…hang on..
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
OK, I just put up a poll
so we can see what the consensus opinion is. Go vote!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Gah, picked the wrong answer
Meant keep him here. S’what happens when I rush.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
If they send him down it'll be on your head
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank goodness!
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This poll is now invalid.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
Yeah, I'd imagine the majority is with Nico.
Sending a guy down after going 0 for 16 or 0 for 20 or whatever has got to feel horrible.
He's going to suffer tougher adversity than this
And given his horrendous start in AAA this year, already has.
I'm with you attijah and Nico!
Actually I have no idea whether staying up or going back would be better for him, but I’m hoping Skaalen does.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Guess I was wrong about being in the minority!
I really thought most wanted Carter sent down.
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At least he gets the ball more in play
So it’s just a matter of time until the balls go for hits
What makes Buck all that essential to the big club?
Do you expect him to actually be good? Nick Markakis is 7th among AL RF in WAR. Is Buck actually better than that? I don’t get the fuss over him any more than I got the hatred for Patterson and Fox. They’re all around replacement level. Who cares about them?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm interested in winning a few games
I’d like to see the A’s win 85-87 games this season, which is very plausible given the pitching. A replacement player will perform better than Chris Carter, and right now Travis Buck is the only decent guy available.
I don’t think it’s worth more games like this one, when you’ve got someone worse than a pitcher in the line-up, just to let Chris Carter learn how to read and write. Let him do that in the spring.
We're 76-86 no fuckin doubt, man.
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 14, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced Carter would be ready by April anyway, and I don't have a problem
with bringing up Buck, if only to save his option — if that’s still possible. I just don’t expect anything from him, and if they think Carter struggling at the major league level helps his development, then I have no reason to doubt them. Buck should in no way be an obstacle to that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Great, let's make our team even more boring.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Good thinking....but how?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure Geren will think of something.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Adding Buck to today's game
does not make this a win
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
Neither does Albert Pujols.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
It might
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They'd just walk him.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Not if he batted in all 9 spots.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine how bad that defence would be.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
he wasn't bad at 3B and OF
he’s played 2B
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Pujols in CF? SS? C'mon.
And I thought he was moved to 1B because it wasn’t pretty everywhere else.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
No, it was because he hurt his elbow.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So he's not very gritty?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
he still plays other positions in emergencies
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Who needs D when Pujols is hitting in all 9 spots?
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
The other team?
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Why do we need Nick Markakis?
Our RF has been the worst in the majors. All we need is someone not horrible.
7th in the AL is in the middle. It's not shooting for the moon.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It is for us.
Replacement level doesn’t really matter here. Our RF wOBA over the season? 0.293. That’s godawful. Anyone above that would be an improvement, and I’m sure Buck can do at least that.
I think he can, but I thought Carter could too.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
16 ABs, though, WC
Aren’t you usually a leader on the “Hey, hey, people: SSS” train?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I don't know that I've ever used that abbreviation, but I agree it doesn't mean much.
I’m trying to think of new and fun ways to say that I don’t care about Buck and I wish people would stop bringing up his name as though he’s being wronged.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
What are Buck's # in AAA
Unless he is killing, I don’t want to see him.
How many times are we going to see him come up, do very little, get hurt, go back down….repeat. Enough.
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
He’s killing.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Watson
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We have the best AAAA outfielders.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I know right?
something’s gotta give.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
So if Taylor had the same stats as Watson in AAA
Would he be as non-productive as Watson in the Majors?
No, the age is what separates them.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
Also, Carson and Watson are repeating the level while Taylor isn’t.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor did play some AAA in 2009
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This is his first full year in Triple-A, though. He played 30 games in Triple-A in 2009.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Because I'm tired of him and want a new toy
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No. I'm still playing with my Carter.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I WAS PLAYING WITH IT!
Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
actually I was reading somewhere
that if the A’s manage carefully when they call Buck up, he will still have an option left next season. that’s what I expect will happen.
I hope they do
It would be useless to burn his option by sitting the Matts or Larish on the big league bench. He was optioned July 30 so if I count right he has to back by Tuesday to save the option.
I wouldn’t play him over Davis, Crisp, Carter or Jackson. I do think he should be at the MLB level, though.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I could get with that.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
see above
While apparently he is killing in AAA, I am tired of him.
I really don’t see any reason to send Carter down. We are not going to do anything this year. It was over a long time ago. Keep him up – I don’t care if he is 0-100.
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
that's where I am too
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd probably care
I’d say I didn’t, but I would.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Carter loves the way you lie...
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
0 for 16 with 7 Ks. That's hard to justify
Jose Canseco did go 0 for 40 in his rookie season, but still……
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
God dammit.
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
Don't send down Carter!
Keep him up. DFA Gross. Call up Buck, and let Jackson sit in AAA like Buck has.
Or call them both up, DFA Gross,
and rotate Jackson, Carter, Buck, Davis, and Crisp — Jackson and Buck are super fragile anyway, Rajai can sit a bit more so you get a good look at Carter, Buck, and Jackson, and within a couple weeks 1-2 of those guys will probably be hurt.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
My feeling...
Send Carter down now, bring up Buck. When Jackson is ready, send down Larish - and then bring Larish and Carter back on September 1st, and do that rotation.
I’m mostly over Rajai Davis at this point. Yeah, he’s fast and he plays a decent outfield, but his hitting instincts are pretty poor. Given his skill set, he should be a better player.
larish is unneeded and buck has been given enough chances that he's blown.
keep carter, call up jackson.
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 14, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Burned out 2008 burned out 2009 burned out 2010
He’s mediocre and he doesn’t take care of himself properly.
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
So does he what?
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 14, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you tender him a contract?
He’s already making $3.1 million. He can’t be worth anything close to that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
So the 1 month audition is to decide whether to sign him to a cheap deal before arbitration?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He very well could be worth more than that.
I don’t understand the Conor Jackson hate. He’s played 14 games here.
My hate of him is that he can't stay on the field
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Over/Under on Games Played in 2010: 105
You taking the over?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooh.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's my concern with Jackson
If he stops the A’s from going out and getting a true power bat (or if you prefer, true really good hitter), and then he becomes the next Crisp, Duke, Harden “He’s scheduled to play 5 innings today for Stockton and if all goes well he’ll play 7 tomorrow” guy, we’re screwed.
I don’t dislike Jackson as a player, per se, but I don’t want an injured B+ COFer “blocking” a really good COFer by way of “we don’t need to target one.” The A’s DO need to target one — a real, healthy, mashing one.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Who does that leave?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Erm.........Zooks. Barton. Davis (maybe).
Cust. Kouz.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
You've mentioned this before, but I don't see it.
Since when does having a bunch of surplus outfielders prevent Billy from signing another? Did it stop him from signing Crisp last year?
If anything, Beane’s history tells me that he signs the guys he likes and can get, regardless of position of need. There are plenty of cases where he acquired a guy at a position where we thought we didn’t need help, and neglected to acquire a guy at a position where we thought we did need help.
If we have a shot at getting, say, Swisher, the presence of Conor Jackson on the team is not going to dissuade Beane from doing the deal. And if Beane doesn’t find any decent deal to pick up a good outfielder, not having Conor Jackson on the team isn’t going to somehow make a good deal materialize; it will just make us suck that much more when we don’t sign anybody else.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Hilariously,
we (me included) were all annoyed with Beane signing too many outfielders last offseason.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
No way in hell
time to clean house.
No jackson, cust, Ellis, Crisp, Chavez….am I missing anyone else?
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
I don't get why he makes so many dumb mistakes on the basepaths (case in point, today)
There was no reason for him to even draw a pickoff throw with two outs.
This is something (like his inability to bunt) that should be corrected with practice and focus. It’s not like I’m asking him to suddenly learn how to hit 15 more home runs a season.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you there
I tend to lean towards defending Rajai but I ain’t defending that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I look at Geren here
A lot of the laxity we see on the A’s is due to the poor managerial skills of Bob Geren. Players are benched for no apparent reason and then continue to play when they screw up. Just as there’s no accountability for Bob Geren, there’s no accountability for any of the players either.
Rajai and Cust should both have been working on their bunting during the season
There’s NO excuse, none, for this. It’s Bob Geren, all Bob Geren.
Cust buntting?
Drink what you know, drink regularly rather than in binges, avoid needlessly exotic booze, and leave the table while you can still stand.
Cust hits the occasional homer
But what makes him valuable, other than the potential power, is his ability to get on base, usually by walking or singles. Teaching him to bunt on the shift would probably first end the shift, but second, open the door to a wider use of the field for singles and doubles.
[…] usually by walking or singles.
His career ISO is .211 so doesn’t that mean it’s not just walking and singles?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is more a "who are you now" kind of thing
Not what he did in 2007 or 2008.
Also....
Given how hard it’s been for the A’s to score in the past three weeks or so, and given Cust’s own inability at present to do much of anything, don’t you think that bunting down the third base line during a shift would probably get him on base, and isn’t that the point, not to make an out?
No, because you're acting like a typical hater.
OMFG CUST DOESN’T HIT FOR ENOUGH POWER.
OMFG CUST DOESN’T BUNT AND JUST GET ON BASE WHEN THE SHIFT IS ON.
Pretty damn hard to hit for power when you bunt.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Maybe.
How do you know Bob/the rest of the coaches hasn’t tried, with great effort, to get Rajai to work on his base running and bunting? How do you know that it isn’t Rajai’s personal failings that’s prevented him from becoming adequate at both? They even had Rickey working with Rajai on baserunning this offseason/Spring Training.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have a feeling Rajai is VERY hard to coach
He’s ADHD as a player, and if you’ve taught you know that ADHD students aren’t the easiest to help change bad habits.
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Cat'o'nine
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
where have you heard this about Rajai?
we have heard repeatedly that no one among the players works longer harder than Rajai, which doesn’t necessarily sound like ADHD
Oh I haven't and I don't mean that he actually is ADHD
I mean that he is ADHD as a player. He hits, and runs the bases, so impulsively that he is prone to making the same mistakes over and over. That doesn’t mean that he would profile as ADHD as a person or as a classroom student — but on the field that’s how he looks.
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I took that as a personal swipe at me.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
I'm pretty sure I love you.
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{Oh, that was another swipe}
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Kouzmanoff might be a trade candidate at this point
I don’t know if he’d last until then on waivers, but the Braves and Cardinals could have legitimate interest in getting a deal for Kouzmanoff done. Kouzmanoff is a serviceable player, don’t get me wrong. He’s ok offensively (though not really this year) and solid defensively, but we can’t afford to have a “serviceable” player at a spot we can considerably improve upon. I really think we should target Mark Reynolds and Dan Uggla on the trade market this off-season, and look at signing an Adam Dunn type. The addition of three hitters like this will immediately make our lineup above average.
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Uggla is supposedly discussing an extension....of his contract.
Reynolds in a trade would be expensive — Anderson, Green and Brown?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Reynolds
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a dumb trade for the A's.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yes, but the point is that Reynolds won't come cheap
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
He’s not that good. He’s a below average defender. He’s only had one year of above average park/batted ball adjusted wOBA (above average last year, around league average this year). He’s about to get expensive.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Then why do we want to target him?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Shit, I'm not.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Good.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
What I would love is for Uggla to sign an extension
and THEN we trade for him. Yes we’d have to give up more, but he’s the type of hitter I’d like to see the A’s add for more than one year. Then we just have to teach him how to play defense!
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TEAM CONFIRMS MOON TO HAVE TOMMY JOHN SURGERY
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Performed by Uranus?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well they have to get the tendon from somewhere.
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This may be the funniest thing you've ever posted
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, no.
No no no no no. Anderson is pretty much untouchable at this point, unless he’s bringing in the moon.
Isn't Reynolds also pretty much untouchable unless he's bringing the moon?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Arizona has no real motivation to trade him unless they're bowled over.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He's being paid 5 million next season, 7.5 million in '12.
He might not be worth that, even using free agent WAR/dollar rates.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So we agree that we shouldn't target him?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
We saw what kind of offer bowls over 'Zona.
So Kouzmanoff and Bowens and he’s ours.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
F#*k that!
Anderson? And Green? Dude, no way that tarde makes any sense…not a chance bro.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
The issue with trading Kouz is,
you have nobody to play 3B unless one of either Cardenas/Donaldson can learn to play it well, and quickly. Not something I would bet on just yet.
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Scott Hairston for Kouz?
And yes, I’m joking. Actually I was going to joke Rajai Davis for Scott Hairston but I’m actually kinda serious about that.
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Love the pitching- living with the offense
For us East Coast fans, these early evening games are a treasure- we get to watch all of the A’s game before the clock strikes midnight…great. Even when the offense doesnt’ bother to show up, as tonight, I still feel this team is turning into something special. Our “Big Five” is going to be the envy of all baseball next year and the hitters will come….just be patient. It’s frustrating though to see the seemingly half hearted effort by our hitters- I just want to see one of them sling a bat or something or kick a cooler in the dugout….not our style.
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by greenmachine on Aug 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand how people get upset with Billy when he has told you exactly what he would do. We knew the offense would be bad. We knew the pitching would be good. We didn’t know it would be this good, and that is why we care why the offense is this bad. He said he wasn’t going to trade anyone. We have to go through free agency to get a hitter, because we know we can’t trade anyone for a good hitter without giving up Cahill or Anderson.
Why are we in the dumps?
because when B.B. has gone out and gotten the 1 year Vet rental recently, it’s been a bust.
Is Gio that attractive.....to GMs?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think so.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Straight males?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely he is
Already a good SP, only 24, has been healthy, is under contract for 5 more years (right?). And even if you’re not a shrewd GM, then you love his “ZOMG, lots of many strikeouts!!!!”
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What could they realistically expect though? He's not got the shiny ERA or anything.
Most people probably think of him as a #3.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a #3 with #1 "upside"
and a reasonable chance of being a #2. With 5 years of contract control and a good health record, that’s a very valuable pitcher.
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A 24 year old with a 3.49 ERA isn't shiny?
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey that's very shiny! He's untouchable dammit!
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Gio is untouchable for me...maybe even moreso than Anderson.
I don’t know if I would trade him straight up for Kemp.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had signed a decent FA starting pitcher,
I’d have to bite the bullet and do that trade (Gio – Kemp). IMO, the A’s need star position players, period, and those are hard to find/get.
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wow that would be fun
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I was about to reply that I would too.
But then I looked it up on cots and realized that Kemp is a free agent after next season. So nah, I definitely wouldn’t.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He IS?
I really thought he was under contract longer. Well, never mind then. I’d still like to get him, but I wouldn’t trade Gio for him.
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I don't see an obvious match. It would have to be a 3 way
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Given their recent Broxton problems,
maybe Bailey would be involved?
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Kuo is awesome though. Danley or whatever his name is.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This might actually be a good thing for us (if we want Kemp).
He only has one year left, he’s coming off a buy low year, he’s pissing off the Dodgers….the price for Kemp might not be high at all. Kemp + Crawford/Werth would instantly improve the team by 8-10 wins.
If I’m the A’s, I’m definitely targeting Matt Kemp next offseason.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but Crawford and Werth should not be uttered in the same breath
That’s OK Carl, he didn’t mean it.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
Crawford’s really not that much better than Werth.
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
(jaw drops, stammers...head turns 360 degrees)
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford's a +15 defender...Werth is +11
Werth is significantly above average at all three outfield positions, and willing to play something other than left field. Werth has posted better park/batted ball adjusted wOBAs than Crawford each of the last 4 seasons. Crawford is 3 years younger than Werth, but he’ll also cost significantly more in years/money.
I’d say Crawford is 1-1.5 wins better than Werth…
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing that going into his mid-30s, though,
Werth won’t be a viable starting CFer, right? In a pinch, sure, but you’d be signing him to play RF.
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You forgot:
Crawford is a lefty hitter with speed and the Coliseum is less harsh on lefties than righties. The park doesn’t suppress SB and so they are worth more than in other parks
Werth is a RH power hitter, in a park that statcorner says has a factor of 74 for HR by RHB. Werth will be affected by that more than he would almost anywhere else.
Crawford is younger and faster and therefore can be expected to age better. Werth is a late bloomer and therefore is a higher risk of collapse.
So take your 1-1.5 WAR difference in year 1 and add something to it, making it 1.5-2.5 WAR in year 1, which is likely to widen over the life of the contract.
Those extra 2 Wins for an 83 win team mean a massive amount of money. Say Kemp is a 3.5 Win player. So they’re now at 87-88 Wins. If they add Werth’s 3.5-4.5 Wins or Crawford’s 5-6 Wins means the difference between 90 and 92 Wins. That’s huge and massive.
I really don’t care about the years and dollars when Crawford’s a lower risk and he fits into the budget. I’m really getting tired of the knee-jerk dogma that evaluates prospective acquisitions by dividing WAR and Dollars. I don’t know who started it but it’s retarded.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you're characterizing Werth's hitter type accurately.
I think he’s pretty clearly a doubles hitter, who manages to hit about 25 home runs a year in Philly’s park, with an outlier of 36 last year. After all, he’s leading the league in doubles.
The Coliseum has a park factor of 88 for RH doubles this year. What you didn’t mention is that the Coliseum is pretty tough on left handed doubles hitters (84 for LH doubles) which is exactly what Crawford is.
So, what do we know? We know that Werth is a better hitter than Crawford in a completely context neutral environment by roughly 10-15 wOBA points. We know that they’ll both be dinged by moving to the Coliseum. We also know that the Phillies park slightly dinges RH doubles (98) while the Rays ballpark is slightly good for LH doubles (103). In the end, I think they’ll both be dinged relatively equally after moving to the Coliseum. So essentially, I think Werth will still about 10-15 wOBA points better than Crawford.
I also contend with your assertion that Crawford is safer. Crawford’s skill set (offensively and defensively) is affected greatly by speed, which you think will make him age well. That doesn’t make sense to me. I think speed is one of the first skills to go after a player turns 30.
And even after all your calculations and arguments (which were quite favorable to Crawford, I might add), you only came up with one extra win’s difference from my original 1-1.5 win analysis of the difference between Crawford and Werth. You say it makes the difference between 90 and 92 wins, which is a big deal. Maybe. But I think we’re trying to predict something too precisely on something that’s very nebulous. There’s a lot of things that go into whether a team wins 90 or 92 games besides WAR predictions, probably luck and health most of all.
Also:
I really don’t care about the years and dollars when Crawford’s a lower risk and he fits into the budget. I’m really getting tired of the knee-jerk dogma that evaluates prospective acquisitions by dividing WAR and Dollars.
Um, did I make this argument at any time during our conversation?
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody else to take Third Base if you trade Kouzmanoff
He’s a fairly good glove- inconsistent hitter but nothing better waiting to take over.
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Plus his defense makes Cahill look like an All-Star
The pitchers will hate you if you trade him and put in Larish or someone.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course they hate him when he bats, but...whaddygonnado?
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I am going to be upset if we pick up the Ellis option. I can also due without Barton if we can sign someone like Dunn.
My "holy grail" would be a 2Bman who can slug
An Aaron Hill or Chase Utley. Man would that be nice. What? They want a lot back in return? Jerks.
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Orlando Hudson?!?!!?
Time to start banging that drum again.
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Rosales doesn't float your boat?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He does!
Ellis doesn’t…but Beane loves him too much like Chavez to let him
If you love him, let him go dammit!
From Rosales I would expect
the same offense as we’ve seen from Ellis but with less consistent defense.
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That would suck...at least he's cheap
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That was their stomach growling
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Bob clumsy? Don't catchers need good footwork?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The free agent class for next year is horrible for middle infielders unless the Mets don’t pick up the option on Reyes. The only other players I see worth anything are Konerko, Werth, Dunn, and Crawford. There are going to be a lot of teams after those guys.
Crawford......hmmmmm.....there's a thought
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We need a censorship on that name.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the A's need to go the "up and coming slugger" trade route
Such as (after signing a FA starting pitcher), try to acquire a Todd Frazier, Jaff Decker “major league ready prospect” who’s either blocked or whose value to the organization is as trade bait to acquire something else (e.g., pitching).
Obviously Taylor is/was supposed to be exactly that, but I wouldn’t count on him. Get as many as you can because the flame out rate is high.
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Allen Craig!
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Upton is broken.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Honestly, Kemp is on my "Plan A" wish list
I think the Dodgers are sick of him, and he’s having very much of a down year but he’s still very much in his prime. And he’s the kind of talent that if he “gets it together” he can be a star.
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Wouldn't they want something back?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I would hope not.
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Why not a CF?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Brown, Mazzaro...?
Realistically, might take Gio no matter what. ;-(
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Why do they want pitching? They've got Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda
They have no CF if they trade Kemp….in fact he’s probably better in RF with Ethier in LF.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they have more but I don't know their names. Padilla? Flotilla?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love a Todd Frazier trade.
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I mean the Reds have to be willing to hear offers for him
He’s 24 and not getting anywhere with them.
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Mazzaro?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like way too much to me.
Frazier seems like a guy who’s ceiling is an OPS of .800 playing average to above average D in left. Sounds like Connor Jackson to me.
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Ziegler?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been following Frazier for a while (fellow Jersey kid and I saw him play at Rutgers) and I think he has more power than Jackson.
His stats in the minors don’t really show it, but I think he will eventually hit for good power. Also, maybe it’s because I watched him play SS for 3 years with Rutgers, I really believe he can play 3b. He has played there a decent amount this year, and I think if you give him time to settle there, he will can be league average, and I think his stick can be well above average.
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Kouzmanoff for Frazier and other stuff?
Three way of course. Rolen isn’t going anywhere.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I would do that in a heartbeat, and the depending on what the Reds get back I think they would have to be interested. Frazier is pretty blocked in the system.
But then again, I have a huge man-crush on Frazier.
I would give up Ziegler for him too if the Reds were interested, I really think Frazier is going to be a good 3B.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
Since you can't orchestrate a 3-way deal
without even knowing the third team or level of interest, let’s say it’s A’s-Reds talking and the A’s want Frazier. What would the Reds likely ask in return? Frankly, if I’m the Reds I’m looking for starting pitching — because any team should be looking for more starting pitching — but maybe there’s another need the A’s can fill despite having no one who is any good at anything.
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They need a SS. Pennington?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I could definitely seeing the Reds being interested in a deal
centered around Frazier – Pennington. Not sure where that would leave the A’s, but it’s interesting.
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Bobby Crosby is a free agent! Seriously, though, what about Renteria, Uribe, Guzman or Peralta as a free agent?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Renteria has health issues (and range issues),
and Peralta is a terrible SS (not the greatest hitter either). So I’d only consider Uribe or Guzman off the top.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention:
Guzman really sucks.
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So....Uribe
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
So...Pennington?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You think we can get him?
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Crap. We can't have anyone.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
noooooooooooooooo
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
For Todd Frazier?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But Rosy is kinda bad at defense
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Worse than Rosy
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cust?
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
What else would the A's have to include to get a guy like Zack Cozart back too?
I’m guessing they would want a SP included?
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Someone who can help the Reds win now.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Braden/Mazzaro, Pennington for Frazier, Cozart?
Is that too much, too little?
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I bet we can get Jocketty to throw in more.
He’s a win now kind of guy and so is Dusty.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind them throwing in someone like
Yorman Rodriguez and/or Juan Carlos Sulbaran. High upside guys who are far away but have good tools.
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And they'd do it too.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd give up Ziegler.
But I don’t think that hightly of Frazier. He’s not even playing 3B right now, just LF.
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Well he has played 3B in a decent amount of games this year, 35, compared to 50 in LF.
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by winchester5 on Aug 14, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Posted without comment
Over his past 16 games, Jack Cust is batting .204 with one RBI and 28 strikeouts.
http://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/21196557035
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Her next tweet, though, is
TOO MANY STRICKOUTS!!!!
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Needs to get his eyesight checked
He’s making sure he’s not here next year.
Needs to do it again
He’s playing himself off next year’s team. Which I am not upset about one bit
I am, only because what I think the A's need is
a lineup where two other guys bat #3 and #4 and Cust can make an additional good hitter in the lineup, not “well we lost one good hitter but got another.”
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You mean where the entire power threat doesn't come from one streaky hitter?
That’s so crazy it just might work.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Also that Cust's OBP skills are more front and center
and his “not an RBI guy” shortcomings not so important. I still think he’s best suited to batting #2 in an order — or #3 if Barton is batting #2 and you have a couple really good hitters behind him (#4 and #5).
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They could switch him to #2 and put Barton #4
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like the idea of Barton hitting in the middle of the order considering he can’t slug .400 (at least not yet) and he doesn’t have good RISP numbers for his career or this year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
So Cust #4 it is.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that
If we had decent 3,4,5 hitters he could bat 6th where he belongs. No matter what we have now, he should not see the 3 or 4 hole even if there’s an armless scarecrow in his place.
I bet you someone did today.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Thome hit sixth tonight.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at his OBP. He should be hitting second, not sixth. You don’t put him down there to get on base for the bottom of the order.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
And we are worried about Carter? I am worried that in spring of 2011 Carter will stink, but keep playing him and DFA Cust.
It didn't hurt his feelings the last two times they did that
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what the Cust haters do
When he isn’t in a slump.
I hear the beach is nice this time of year… But seriously he has a great stretch, regresses a bit, and boom they’re back instantly.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
They lie in wait like snakes in the grass....ready to pounce on an unsuspecting field mouse.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
it's sort of the opposite of what the Cust lovers do when he's in a slump
“he has a lousy stretch, then gets hot just a bit”
I guess it’s a glass half full vs glass half empty thing
Does Cust have any lovers?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya but I haven't seen anyone say they love him
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I love him more.
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His wife?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
That's a long road trip.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
At the game, it was pathetic in person.
My god, talk about a wasted gem by Cahill. I’m in Minneapolis but I almost feel bad for those of you that live in the Bay and have to endure this game after game. The offense is pathetic and I’m not so sure that Carter can play LF. The Mauer double in the 9th that hit the wall he didn’t even attempt to make a play on and the one he dove for he took the wrong angle on . The only highlight for me came on the way back to the car when, after the downpour(apparently Brian Duensing is a weatherman as well since he held off the flood til he was done with his night) I see Ray Fosse standing on Hennepin and 7th under an overhang. I say, “Hi Ray Fosse”.
He says, “Hey, how are you doing?”
I, being wet and having witnessed a shitty offensive game say, “not so good.”
He comes back with, “Tell me about it.”
Looks like he feels our pain as well. That’s the update from MPLS. Hopefully tomorrow’s will come after a win.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
to be fair, Carter was playing 1B nearly all of this season
and the comments I’ve heard from the broadcasters this past week thought he looked ok in LF.
I guess you haven’t seen the A’s play at home especially in day games…
He has looked ok in LF. He'll only improve with experience out there.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
So we can move him to CF?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell is Swisher can play there...
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Patterson played there again tonight.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Did hilarity ensue?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I don’t know, but the other center fielder (Julio Borbon) dropped a ball.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
By the by, Jake Fox's OBP with Baltimore
is actually lower than it was with the A’s.
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hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes I know!
Not meaning to disparage your boy. Only noting that “just when you thought an OBP couldn’t get lower…”
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He's a slugger not a walker.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh, I know.
That OBP is pretty godawful. And even with the extra power, he’s still a bad bad hitter.
{and should be spanked}
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boo
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, do that in AAA
But apparently the tides are in Carter’s favor, until they’re not.
Well, I’d take just about anyone over Bob.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If the A's indeed finish the season at .500
That’s pretty much guaranteeing Bob 5 more years because it’s “progress”
Britney Spears?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll probably petition Beane to replace Cust with Kotsay at DH next year.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jamie?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What, needs repainting?
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You didn't even let me make a bid.
Jerk.
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Derek invited you to his house?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 14, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You know Derek?
Cool!
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And that watching it dry
is slightly more interesting than watching the A’s hit.
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Organizational player.
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What would you be willing to give up for Aaron Hill?
I live in Visalia, Hills hometown and have known both Aaron and his dad for many years. I was having a beer with his dad a couple weeks ago and he said Aaron had heard his name mentioned in trade talks with Seattle. If he’s available this winter I say go for it. He’s had a down year so buy low
by dashman33 on Aug 14, 2010 9:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He would be an awesome pickup for this team right now.
It seems like the A’s and Jays should be great trade partners, in that the Jays have an abundance of what the A’s so desperately need — power — while the A’s have pitching and defense, which the Jays lack — at least at the level needed to compete with NYY-TAM-BOS.
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No way.
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I think we need to keep Gio
Anderson, Cahill and Gonzalez is a great front end for the next four years. I’d offer Mazzaro or Braden along with Bailey
by dashman33 on Aug 14, 2010 10:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I'd like to keep the awesome pitching intact
At least as far as MAG, but Braden seems like the perfect piece to trade since he’s been successful the last two years but he has the worst stuff of everyone and has been injured multiple times.
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by Helloooo 1st on Aug 15, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s funny you should mention Cabrera. (Check the FanShots.)
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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 14, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ks are an issue....
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by lenscrafters on Aug 14, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
i turned it off as soon as the twins scored their second run, it looks like i made the right decision
but i did miss this bullshit from the game thread…
more pathetic: AN or the a’s offense? it’s a close call.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
What exactly were you getting at?
This makes no sense……
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
Looking ahead to September
Assuming Devine and Chavez make it back…that’s 2 spots on the 40-man roster needed to make room for them
I figure the A’s can put Figueroa, Kilby, and Souza on the 60-day DL
That’s one spot left for…Taylor?
If Devine and Chavez can’t make it back…that’ll be 4 spots on the 40-man roster open
I’ll guess McPherson, Wimberly, Benacka, and Hunton get their contracts purchased?
As for call-ups, I’ll take Bowers, FDLS, ClayMort, Ross, Donaldson, Buck, and Carson as well as activating everyone on the 15-day DL
Thoughts?
If Sacramento is playoff-bound
You don’t want to denude the entire team of its pitching staff and offense. Also, if you’re bringing someone up, you want him to play.
Carter obviously should be up (if he’s sent down); Chavez if he can play at all, just to give him some pre-retirement games; Travis Buck for sure, Clay Mortenson, Donaldson.
I would not bring up Taylor. Ross is probably gone for the year. Carson is pointless. Bowers is pointless. Let FDLS get his shot in the spring. Unless the A’s plan to replace Kouzmanoff with McPherson next year, I’d simply let him go. If he re-signs with the club or is invited to camp, that’s another story.
I'm not saying your right or wrong either way, Nico
But let’s give Carter 4 or 5 more days of struggle in the bigs before we send him down. If he’s 0 for 40 then we need to consider sending him down
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
do BP pitchers throw breaking balls or changeups to hitters during practice?
Carter needs someone to throw him some. Do they have a machine for that? That being said, think they need to let Carter play until he gets a hit though. It’s gotta happen some time right?
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maybe he should be a stand in/ no swing guy
while pitchers are doing their side sessions.
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