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Predictable Flaws Conspire To Derail A's

Gio Gonzalez is known for two qualities: Electric stuff and the ability to fall apart all of a sudden. Gonzalez was mostly terrific, needing just 37 pitches to get through the first 4 innings, retiring the first 13 batters, and striking out a career high 11 without a walk in an 8 inning complete game effort.

But the 5th inning. Oh, the 5th inning. There were a couple hits, then Andruw Jones was hit by a true "backfoot slider" to load the bases, then a sinking liner to RF off the bat of Brent Lillibridge that Matt Carson -- predictably, in that bless his heart Carson doesn't really belong on a big league roster -- made an ill-advised dive to try to catch, turning a RBI single into a 3-run triple in what would become a 4-run inning.

Meanwhile, Gavin Floyd was perfect through 5 innings, then anything but in the 6th when the A's had a real shot to get right back in the game. Oakland broke through with a run, then loaded the bases with one out when Daric Barton grounded a single through the right side, seemingly scoring Carson from second except that Mike Gallego held him. Even with Jack Cust on deck. And here's where the A's #3-#4 hitters' flaws really hurt the A's. Cust struck out (surprise) and Kouzmanoff hacked at the first pitch (surprise), bouncing weakly to 1B.

So really, all the A's needed was to have Gio avoid the one bad inning, real #3-#4 hitters, and real major leaguers in the corner outfield. How hard can that be? I say start printing those playoff tickets!

Part III of my interview with Craig Breslow runs at 5pm today, and this segment is all about baseball. See you then.

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gah,,,stupid Matt’s

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by Widowwolf on Aug 1, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Running out 4 Auto-Outs does not help your pitcher win a game

It is true incompetence to put that product on the field.

That is all.

by Trainman on Aug 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

You missed the last-minute edit:
Oh, and our offense continued to suck in the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning, too.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Aug 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't start writing until the bottom of the 8th, actually

But yeah.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gio flexed his best stuff today aside from losing his cool for an inning

he’s truly fun to watch, the offense on the other hand….

When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen

by rhymeswithelephant on Aug 1, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah i won’t completely blame the game on Matt, because Gio did load those bases

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by Widowwolf on Aug 1, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, even if Matt plays it right,

at best the score is 1-1 and the A’s still can’t score.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Aug 1, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that momentum changes

It’s a 1-1 score and maybe Gio gets out of the inning.

This game does show why it would be a mistake to bring Carter to the big leagues when he’s not yet comfortable in the outfield.

It’s normal for pitchers to have one or two not-so-good innings per game. The difference is that bad fielding changes the complexion of those innings.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

??

well, solid single, groundball, freak HBP, and line drive is hardly falling apart.

the game is on Geren for starting Carson in right.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

why is he even on a big league roster

I can say the same for the other matt as well

by sf drift king on Aug 1, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got noticeably rattled --

including hitting A. Jones with a pitch that would have been a run scoring wild pitch had it not hit the batter, then falling behind Lillibridge, then making a mistake out over the plate.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

he loaded the bases BUT

if it hadn’t been for the fluke play of the ball hitting the bag at third Gio could have been out of the inning with a double play on that ball… or even with only an out at either second or first the next guy flied to right and the side would have been retired

by heartstopper on Aug 1, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, actually I think that was either going to be a double into the corner

or if Kouz got to it, then an infield hit.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah the A's actually got 2 big breaks in the inning --

The ball hitting the 3rd base bag, and the wild pitch hitting AndrUw Jones.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm not so sure of that

i’d have to see the replay but kouz was behind the bag bt the time it went over his head. it was was a hard hit ball but it didn’t hit the base on the line if i remember right…. i wasn’t watching the game that close as with the matts in the lineup i lost some of my interest in the 1st innning.. the was a hard hit grounder with the first bounce 10-15feet from home..

wouldn’t have needed to be a dbl play to get out of the inning. the next guy grounded out

by heartstopper on Aug 2, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

FF is right there is no way that was a double play ball, and would have jetted right past kouz(Or if nothing else he would have had to dive on it) if it didn’t hit the bag..Either way no DP, and who’s to say even if they got both outs that the next batter handles his up the same way.

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by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

the attempt was wimpy

it was a terrible dive. it looked like he wasn’t sure what to do. he wasn’t even close to catching it on the dive… maybe because of his tentiveness. but it was a HORRIBLE play and it made him look TERRIBLE

by heartstopper on Aug 1, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The worst part really occurred before the play,

and that is he should have been shallower for a RH hitter with little power.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which (surprise surprise) is a coaching error.

I can see holding Carson at third with one out to load the bases- it’s questionable but OK. Not positioning your crappy outfielders who have no idea what their doing? Not cool at all.

by Sacred#24 on Aug 2, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I bid you all Adeiu until next time..Good to be here for a full game thread

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by Widowwolf on Aug 1, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for hanging with us, Widow.

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by iglew on Aug 1, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a pleasure

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by Widowwolf on Aug 1, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

bye...hope to see you again!

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by Berry Jo on Aug 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You will more and more with summer here and waiting for football and NBA to start back up..Great group of posters here, glad to be a part of the community, even though I am stupid when it comes to baseball stats(Too many of em for me) and I am a homer for guys like Rajai, Buck and Coco

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by Widowwolf on Aug 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game isnt on Gio today.

Game in on Beane for having 2 AAAA players in the OF.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Aug 1, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

he pitched better than FLoyd

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

Carsons play on the liner. Baserunning gaff. Get the best team on the field every day.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Aug 1, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah... why wasn't rosales in there today?

he has played well and deserves it. when i saw the line-up i simply shrugged and figured they would lose….. powell, okay suz needs a day off once in awhile. but the TWO matts? horendous decision.

by heartstopper on Aug 1, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are they even AAAA players?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time for Chris Carter

I’m probably one of the biggest “let Carter and Tayler develop” boosters there is, but after watching today’s game I’ve changed my mind. If we are going to throw a scrub with no defense in the outfield, it might as well be a scrub who has a 1.000+ ops in July.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Aug 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

No

Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples

Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.

by DMOAS on Aug 1, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it is better to watch Watson and Carson flounder

Car crashes are much more interesting

AN: We is all growed up now.

by OptimistPrime on Aug 1, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Having those 2 on the team illustrates the fact that Beane

also thinks we have no chance.

Even though we do there is no excuse for not putting the best product on the field.

The Two Matt’s are total garbage and that’s being kind.

by Trainman on Aug 1, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The issue isn't Carter

Bob Geren could have put Rosales in the outfield today and also chose to rest Coco Crisp. Right now, with Jackson on the DL and Buck too rusty to bring up, and with Ryan Sweeney gone for the year, Beane’s options are limited. But the idea of playing the two Matts at the same time? Very bad idea.

There is this one thing, though: Matt Carson can hit AAA pitching and if he’s ever going to become a major leaguer, he needs to play all the time even if it means making mistakes. His average is up to .231; He’s 5/15, .333, in his last five games, which means either he’s gotten lucky or he’s hitting the ball with greater authority as he gains experience.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

CT is 100% right about one thing:

Coco Crisp has had about 70 days off this year and the time is now or never to make a push. No way should Crisp and Suzuki be sitting today. Give them a “night game after a day game” tomorrow if you need, when they are at home against the Royals.

Sitting Barton and Cust Thursday, then Crisp and Suzuki today, is exactly the opposite of “putting your best foot forward when it’s time to step up.” Pretty ridiculous.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Geren is managing like he's in AAA

I was complaining about this a while ago. Someone here said the other day he has “no urgency.” He rests people for key games, he rotates players out while they’re on hot streaks.

Bottom line is that we all know the A’s aren’t going to win their division this year, or contend for the wild card. But still, there’s the illusion of competitiveness: the A’s can make a temporary run for first place even if they don’t have all the pieces to stay in contention through September. And after all, you never know what might happen down the road. If Texas falters, then the A’s and Angels can move up.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding

I don’t think Geren is managing like someone who’s trying to win the division, though.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not

He’s managing so that every member of kindergarten class can play the game and stay rested. It’s a “long haul” strategy that is supposed to keep a team fresh for the end run -- but if you lose too many games early on, you’ll never be in the end run.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

News flash: This IS the end run.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not taking your rook until you clean off the booger.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

No way you rest these players when you are pushing to stay in short distance to first place.
And I don’t understand his rest day management. Penny has played ereryday for a month without rest, and then he sits two times in a week.

by Rio on Aug 1, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

too many Matts

Isn’t it fitting that for 3 months we carry Eric Patterson for no apparent reason, and when he finally does get cut, we lose a half-dozen outfielders and he could actually be starting in a corner right now. Not that doing so is ever the best option, but I’ll take him over either Matt right now.

It’s really sad the A’s can’t either find a better option for a corner OF spot,.

by rageon on Aug 1, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Urgency

I was the one who wrote about the lack of urgency in Thursday’s Texas game. I’m less bothered now, because the season is over. The team conceded that the other day.

Seeing two Matts in the lineup just reinforces my lack of interest in the team. One has a nice little story, and the other might be a halfway decent reserve someday, but neither is ever going to be a major league starter on a good team.

I’ll assume the team is correct in keeping Carter and Taylor in Sacramento. That actually seems like the smartest move, given their struggles this season.

But this is where a fan like me starts losing interest. Why should I care about watching a lineup in which Carson AND Watson are starting? It’s boring. If you’re going to play out the season, that’s fine. But I don’t need to watch. The fact that I paid any attention to the game is testament to… something. Well, boredom and nap preparation, I suppose.

by bear88 on Aug 1, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

notice after he was the only Eric he got cut?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Memo to Beane: We only have one Gabe

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

D-pressing.

Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld

by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 1, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

if there had been "d" it wouldn't be so pressing

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

good one!

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by Berry Jo on Aug 1, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate losing games like today's. When we have a pitcher who pitches well for the most part. Eleven K's - you don't see that everyday.

these are the kinds of game we should win – reward the pitcher for his excellent performance (barring the 5th). Reminds me of the many times Huddy got the ND.

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by Berry Jo on Aug 1, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

We need a better lineup! Get it done Bi---

GRAAAAAAAH

Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld

by ElQuesoCapitan on Aug 1, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

anybody in alameda? Is it hot there?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

cold!

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by OptimistPrime on Aug 1, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks!

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two complete games in a row.

That’s kinda neat, even if this one was an L.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

1981 says "heck yeah!"

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very true

Complete games seem to be a thing of the past.

by A's Fan in Virginia on Aug 1, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how do the A's get #3 and #4 hitters?

This has actually been a better team than last year, a little more fun to watch. You can follow a game like this and convince yourself that the A’s are only a little bit short of competing with the best. But it is an 80 win kind of team. They’ll probably pick up one slugger in the FA market this year. But that still leaves them short a #3 type hitter. Carter looks like a #5 type hitter if he matures. I’m thinking 85 wins next year unless they spend more than I think they will in the winter.

by rovingralph on Aug 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Carter can be a cleanup hitter

He’s not likely going to be a very good hitter for average, but he flat out hits homers and knocks in runs. I think he’ll probably be similar to Ryan Howard, but with a little less power and less rbis, and a lower average. Something like a .250-.260 average, 30-35 homers, 100-115 rbis a season once he gets established. Taylor is probably going to be a 5 hitter on this team. It’s hard to project his numbers in the majors because he has shown little power this year in terms of homers.

by duballers23 on Aug 1, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

whether Carter or Taylor will be good major league hitters. Nobody is a sure thing, and neither player is dominating in Sacramento (though both have improved).

by bear88 on Aug 1, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both are currently kinda dominating

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by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

Taylor isn’t hitting for any real power and Carter’s K/rate for the season is still 30% of his ABs. They’re doing better and they’re doing well, but I wouldn’t use the word “dominating” — though Carter’s getting close, I think.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it seems weird that the same "stat people" that praise Cust in spite of his strikeouts

will knock Carter for his, but they’re actually different situations. Cust (or Howard, or Reynolds, or whoever) can be productive even with his strikeouts. End of story. In Carter’s case, though, while he may be productive in AAA with his high strikeout rate, a high strikeout rate is pretty highly correlated with poor performance when moved up a level. In other words, Carter’s line will most likely go from good in spite of strikeouts in AAA, to bad with more strikeouts in the majors. Strikeouts aren’t a problem in themselves, but it’s unlikely that Carter can perform well in the majors while striking out 30% in AAA.

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think it's very likely that Carter turns into Jack Cust.

With less BBs.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 1, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

zomg RBIs!

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 1, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

for MLB's out reach program

but not for deciding who is a good batter

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why people obsess about the strike out rates of prospects in the lower leagues.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't be bothered researching that so I'll take your word for it.

But the strickout percentage is just a good rule of thumb. There are exceptions to every rule.

I actually think Carter is going to be a good ML hitter. Almost certainly not right away though. He seems to follow a similar development path to Gio – he takes a year to get used to a level (though Gio had to repeat levels before he dominated). If you look at his numbers of late he’s clearly adjusting to AAA pitching.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty simple

Howard struck out 27.2% of his PAs in the minors, or 31.6% of his ABs. He walked 11.5% of his PAs.

Reynolds struck out 23.1% of his PAs, or 26.5% of his ABs. He walked 9.7% of his PAs.

So far, Carter has struck out 23.4% of his PAs, or 27.4% of his ABs. He’s walked 12.1% of his PAs.

For the sake of it, Cust struck out 25.7% of his PAs in the minors, or 32.5% of his ABs, and walked 19.8% of his PAs.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha. I love how Cust walked 20% of the time. That's crazy.

So by the looks of it Carter’s percentages don’t look too out of whack.

You’ve seen him play right, Flash? Does he look the real deal?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust had almost 1,000 walks in the minors

975 in 4,926 PAs. 1,266 strikeouts, too.

And I do think Carter has what it takes to be the real deal, just as long as he can hold his own against breaking balls enough to either make contact and put it in play or foul it off, or lay off it if it’s out of the zone. I think it’s shown he’s got enough of an eye to take the walks that are to be had.

It’s the belief that Carter has the ability to succeed that I’ve been so against rushing him. Give him the time to master each level and then move him up. It’s worked so far. Natural progression would suggest giving him the rest of August in Sacramento then bringing him to Oakland when rosters expand.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's your sense of him defensively (1B, LF, etc.)?

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Work in progress

I know you alluded to it before in that you didn’t see him have the chance to deal with any tough plays at first base when you saw him, and it’s been somewhat limited for me as well when I’ve only seen him in the field about a dozen times this year.

I can tell you that at 1B, he has his good moments and his bad. He’s no Barton with the glove, not that we should expect that now or any time soon. It takes a lot of work.

In LF he’s handled the routine stuff well but again, I haven’t seen him out there nearly enough to be able to tell you what kind of jump he gets compared to others, how good he is running down a fly ball in the corner or the power alley, etc. Haven’t even really seen his arm or accuracy from out there.

It may be that his future is as a DH, but I like that the A’s are finally giving him some more time in LF first.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, thx.

Have you had a chance to see Taylor in CF?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple times in Colorado Springs

Held his own from what I could see, though he wasn’t really tested.

One guy did try to tag up and go to third on a fly ball and he gunned him down, though it looked like he barely beat the tag. An out is an out.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looked shaky in LF in spring training.

But he looked shaky at the plate too.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, if you want to look at Carter's Triple-A stats overall, including last year's late call-up...

…it’s a strikeout rate of 25.1% of his PAs (25.3% this year), 29.5% of his ABs (30.0% this year), and a walk rate of 12.4% (13.3% this year).

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reynolds, not as much as Carter is now, Howard was closer.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for Carter to have great success in the majors while striking out this much in the minors. Just…it’simprobable. Counting on a longshot like Ryan Howard isn’t a good idea.

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or maybe another way to put it is,

Best to wait until Carter cuts the Ks down to consider him ready, rather than focusing on his BA or HR totals.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

you say his strickout rate for the year is 30%

I recall he was really bad at the start of the season, is his current hot streak accompanied by a drop in K rate?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

His k rates by month, per Milb

July: 24%
June: 32%
May: 33%
April: 28%

So, yes recently in a SSS he’s been striking out less.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I found, quickly, was his last 10 games

and those are 35 ABs, 10 Ks, which is a 28.6% K/rate.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he's K'ing at the same rate as always.

It’s clearly just going to be part of his game.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely gonna be a part of his game.

Last year, when he hit .330 in AA, his K rate was at 24%, which is what it was at in July, when he put up pretty much the same numbers as AA. Hopefully that continues.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

good work team

no make me a sammich

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing there is his walk rate in Midland was just under 14%

13.1% in two seasons combined at AA and AAA, which is a full percentage point higher than his total in the minors. At High-A and below it was 11.4%. That’s some good growth.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Sickels has always been pretty high on Carter’s ability to make contact, thinks people underestimate his hitting ability. Said last week: “I still think there is a more complete hitter in Carter than people currently believe.”

I agree. He’s always shown the ability to make adjustments.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'll hit for a pretty decent average, and strikeout a lot.

He’s definitely made huge strides recently, and last year. I like his ability to adapt as well, and hopefully we’ll be seeing lots of it in years to come.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personality-wise he seems

“calm and even,” which if true would bode well for having a good career.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost TOO calm, if such a thing is possible

I don’t think I’ve ever seen him look angry.

Wait for the Holliday comparisons that “he doesn’t care!!”

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

And he's a alcoholic!!!11

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIS HEAD IS NOT ROUND!!

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not too much ;-)

I’ll just give the link to a helmet-less shot here since we’re pretty far off to the side now:

http://lastoftheninth.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/sacren15-083109.jpg

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, that head is more round than normal.

The anti holliday!

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do I have to feed the meter?

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus wasn't Howard 26 when he came up?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah -- he was stuck behind Jim Thome, whom the Phillies had signed when they moved into Citizens Bank Park

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 1, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the month of July

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah travdog

Now the bullpen is well-rested. Who’s gonna come in for Bailey?

Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.

by brothersky on Aug 1, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

And Cust

Just isn’t a 3-hole hitter.

Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.

by brothersky on Aug 1, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

And Kouzmanoff

should be batting eighth.

I love my Oakland A's

by Philip Christy on Aug 1, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The CT thread is here.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Aug 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

So, more reason the NL needs the DH.

Phillies pitcher Roy Oswalt just pinch-hit for another pitcher in the 11th inning of a tie game with 0 outs and a runner on 1B.

Stupid managing that worked out well FTW.

Needs moar dingerz.

by Blicks on Aug 1, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Carson and Gallego

Why was Carson positioned so deep—# 9 hitter, and Gio dealing?
Yes he goofed, but it only cost one run, there were two outs.
Why did Gallego hold Carson at third? Why?
It is time for CC.

by fonz on Aug 1, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Who is this Andrew Jones you speak of?

:P

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by FrankCohen on Aug 1, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Oops

I should have noticed that it didn’t create an auto-link. Like Poochini, it’s now fixed.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is the guy the dodgers signed

when they thought they were getting the former Atlanta centerfielder

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would have been more interesting...

…if we had fielded a team that included nine major league caliber hitters.

by HCF from Oakball on Aug 1, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I had to work today, but when I saw the lineup at the end of the game

I imagined Geren’s conversation with Gio….“I know you are a great pitcher, but we are going to try an experiment. Let’s see if you can win with a completely lackluster lineup wholly devoid of any kind of power.”

AN: We is all growed up now.

by OptimistPrime on Aug 1, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't get a chance to watch the game

But Kouz swinging at first pitches doesn’t bother me, since he’s good at hitting them. As of yesterday, he was .345 with five homers swinging at them. If it’s a good pitch to hit, there’s nothing wrong with swinging at it.

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by jeepers on Aug 1, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

All except one weren't good pitchers to hit

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

pitches i mean

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right -- they were excellent pitchers to hit!

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last two days

No Bullpen.

Bull-what?

Bull-please.

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by Hit4TheCycle on Aug 1, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Travis Buck hit a homer today,

and had another hit. The ultimate SSS, but still a good sign.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 4:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I have this weird feeling

That in 2011, Travis Buck will hit .300 and have an OPS of .875, and have 500 ABs for the Kansas City Royals.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take your facts elsewhere.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post is completely without merit, but I feel like ranting

Whenever someone writes about the “conspiracy” in place … the one where Beane and Co. intentionally play crappy players so that they can force a move elsewhere … I think “nonsense”.
Then I watch Car-Wat/Son play, and I watch guys like Conor Jackson miss a month with a minor hamstring injury, and I begin to see the mysterious shooter. There is just no f***ing way we lose so many guys to such miniscule injuries every f’in week. Travis Buck, et al. (is that the proper use of et al? I don’t know – it looks good.) Seriously, had you ever heard of a intercostal strain until this year?! I’ve been watching baseball since 1971, and I’ve never heard of it before. What, we’ve had 4 guys on the DL with it this season?!! Seriously, someone’s gone go to Bali and get f’in rabies.
I’ve had a few beers … but I’m convinced now — the fix is in.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Aug 1, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

My take:

1. There is no “fix” — the A’s are NOT trying to lose.

2. The management is so incompetent sometimes that when someone incorrectly believes there’s a “fix” the notion is actually hard to refute.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's like the Pirates or Royals

They’re definitely not trying to lose, they’re just really stupid.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Aug 1, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

there is no ‘fix’, just some serious mis-management at several levels.

by DontKnowItAll on Aug 1, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I like your user name!

It makes me think you probably know your baseball.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

More proof!

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by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha...

just a long time A’s fan from the east coast….a frustrated A’s fan lately!

by DontKnowItAll on Aug 1, 2010 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Carter is DHing tonight

Looks like Beane is finally playing Carter at positions that he’ll play on the A’s (LF and DH) rather than putting him at 1B.

by duballers23 on Aug 1, 2010 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Or maybe the report was "My god he's awful in LF!"

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

By any chance did anyone see all 4 games, or 3 of them?

I’d love to get a report on his LF defense.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, I'm just picking the worst case scenario.

I’ve never seen Carter play.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I've sent my spies to the RiverCats game today.

They have specific instruction to scout out Carter and Taylor – assuming they don’t get too wasted.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he's better than Cust already.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You see that and wonder if he can't be average defensively in LF

He’s mobile, which isn’t true of Cust, J. Rivera, and other known butchers.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everything I've heard says that he's reasonably athletics, especially for his size.

He’s not a fat masher like Fielder. It’s just that he has a stone glove. Sounds teachable to me.

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hunch is that "handling tough hop grounders" like you get a 1B

might be harder for him than “getting a jump” and handling LF. Just a guess, though, as I haven’t seen him much at all.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looked pretty mobile in that one clip.

And if you scroll down the ‘related videos’ section on the right you can see him hit.

He looks to have ridiculous power. One of those swings where the ball just flies off the bat.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And it's funny

Having watched him for a few games in Stockton before, I never got the chance to really see him square a ball up hard. I went to a couple games in Reno and told Johnny Doskow (River Cats radio man) before the first game about it, and all Carter did that night was hit three homers, a couple absolute bombs.

Since then I saw a few more in the playoffs last year and have seen a handful this year. When he gets hold of one, ball go far.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most of what I said is that he moves well in comparison to people of his size.

Meaning other absolute giants move slowly, and he moves a little less slowly.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Physically, and by description, he reminds me of Jermaine Dye

Now he’ll never be Dye defensively, but is it such a stretch to think that he could be “average” in LF?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely see the potential for him to be average to below average, yes.

It just seems a little late for this LF experiment to start, and I’m a little pessimistic. That being said, as long as it’s not messing with his hitting, I say run him out there everyday. I’m just prepared for him to be our DH of the future. Setting the bar low leads to less disappointment! The life of an A’s fan…sigh.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't, for the life of me,

get why he hasn’t been in LF at least since June 1st, when it’s been so clear that Barton is one of the A’s best players and that LF is a black hole.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one of many puzzling personnel decisions made by the A's in the last few years.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A's were rudderless earlier in the season

Watching Patterson and Fox, and some of the bullpen moves, it felt as if nobody was home. Not surprising that nothing happened in AAA.

by richwol1 on Aug 1, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Add on top of the the fact that pretty much every scouting report on his defense says something like “he probably doesn’t have the hands or reactions for 1B, but he might be able to hack it in LF”, and it seems unfathomable that he hasn’t played in the outfield before.

I guess they may have been putting all their concern on his bat, but I doubt it.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think LF is too hard to learn.

I’m not asking for Carl Crawford out there.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carter Update

I saw him at Devere’s Irish Pub in Sacramento last night. True story, he was bragging to my girlfriend’s friends he was on the RiverCats. So I went over to confirm, and he was with Cedrick Bowers! 34-year old bowers was hitting on 21 year old girls haha. My girlfriend got Carter to show his ID, it was from Nevada. Maybe he’s DHing just because he’s hungover lol.

by Chico_Athletic on Aug 1, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess he's an imposing guy in person?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carter?

You could say that.

Go here to see all the shots I’ve got of him:

http://lastoftheninth.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=carter

Some may have other Carters, but Chris Carter is a big boy.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Joe Morgan still spewing random crap on TV, getting paid for it.

Joe Morgan: “Huff is having a very good year, as I predicted”.
Jon Miller: “Yes, his OPS (pronounced ah-ps, apparently) sits at .950, 3rd best in the NL”
Joe Morgan: (bitterly) “Yes, I wasn’t going to mention that….”

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan thinks he's a gamer

 It only makes it worse that they added Orel Hershiser to that duo

by TheHuntforRedOctober on Aug 1, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how Miller pronounces it OPS (like hops without the 'h').

So wrong.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

flaming nora!

alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Aug 1, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually do that.

I had always read OPS before ever hearing somebody say it aloud. My mind assumed “ops”, like special ops.

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's O.P.S. dammit. It just sounds silly as ops.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another OT:

I can’t find a single scouting report on Chris Carter’s defense that isn’t fairly negative (hence, why the A’s might not want to try him in LF much, or anywhere in the field for that matter). Does anyone have a scouting report suggesting Carter could be above average defensively?

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

No -- I think "average" would be a big victory,

and “slightly below average” a worthy goal.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he turns into an average LF with that bat the D'Backs might as well fold their franchise.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

And it wasn't even their worst Haren trade!

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

They should take a long hard look at themselves and consider if they really should have a baseball franchise.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wimberly is AAA's Juan Pierre: Slugs .275 and is otherwise quite fun.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also quite fun

Tyreace House: slugs roughly 100 points BELOW his OBP.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure I have more power than Wimberly.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Compared to Wimberly, Coco is Barry Bonds.

I’d do backflips if Wimberly could slug like Coco.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is...

Wimberly will probably end up with more career HRs than Sweeney and Barton combined.

by HCF from Oakball on Aug 1, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?!

He has 9 career home runs. Nine.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

sweeney?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm kidding, I know he has 13

thirteen!!!!

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I didn't realize Sweeney was that fast.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just still awed by the fact that they do Tommy John surgery on stirrups.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flashfire

Do you think Taylor should also be called up in September?

by duballers23 on Aug 1, 2010 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

not on 40 man, right?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 1, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to my knowledge

But I also expect them to both be in Sacramento until their playoff season ends, assuming they get there.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would hope so.

“Good luck in the playoffs — oh, Wimberly’s batting clean up!”

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, who cares about minor league championships?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you who: The very players you want to

care about the team they’re on, care about winning, and care about “seeing it through to the finish line.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

But surely their aim is to reach the Majors.

If I was a pro baseball player I’d be all about making the majors as quickly as possible. If the team was holding me back just so a minor league affiliate could win a championship I wouldn’t be happy.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a matter of when, not if --

basically Sept 1st or Sept 15th. If you want to develop a “culture of winning” you have to let players/teams win, not take them to the bottom of the 9th and then say, “Well anyway, we’re not putting Bailey in; we’re going with Cust.”

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's you, though

That’s not them. I’m sure they’d all love to be in the bigs, collecting that MLB paycheck or a portion of it, but I’m sure a lot of them would say, if they’d spent the entire season with the same group of guys and were a few games away from winning a championship, they’d like to finish it off even if it meant waiting a week or two to go up to the A’s where they’d probably sit a lot.

Minor League championships don’t mean a whole lot in the long run but whatever level your at, you want to win something. It’s also good experience to deal with the pressure of games like that.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carter DHing tonight,

Buck hit a triple already. Top prospect (in 1993) John Halama on the hill.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I still haven't given up on Halama!

(I have.)

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

All three should be in AAA!

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I know you're joking, but they're shooting themselves in the foot with Buck.

There’s really no sense in keeping a 31 year old AAAA guy around at the expense of Buck’s last option year. Basically the crap that Chicago pulled that ended up with Jake Fox’s options being all screwy is what Oakland is doing now.

Buck will be out of options in ST next year and there’s no way he’ll clear waivers. He should have been put back on the 25 man roster and given the rest of the year to see if he’s healthy and able to contribute again.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Aug 1, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem has been he's taking "Buckian" time to get healthy

(and “healthy” apparently means ready to hit .225 in AAA). “Mysterious leg fatigue”? Buck appears to be the second coming of Rocco Baldelli, only with fewer good seasons before he fades from a variety of mysterious ailments.

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

So has Conor Jackson.

Point being, if he’s actually healthy now and not just being blacklisted by the team for some reason, he should be in Oakland. They need to find out if he can play still.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Aug 1, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can play still.

It’s when he moves that all hell breaks loose.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand,

When the Matts (and Gross) play, all hell breaks loose too.

I agree with mike here. If the A’s really do believe that they’re out of it (and based on the lack of urgency/stupid lineup decisions it certainly looks like it), there’s no reason not to give Buck as many MLB at bats as they can, to see if he can recover even a shred of his former potential.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Aug 1, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, but only to trade him

I would absolutely not, not, not put him in the 2011 mix. He is the classic A’s problem: A guy whose history of injury after injury suggests a future of the same. The A’s already have Crisp and Jackson and that’s two too many “ok” OFers who can’t stay healthy.

The A’s need to move to the next level and focus on healthy OFers who are actually good.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I forgot Sweeney --

so many injured OFers with insufficient power, so little time!

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by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the new market inefficiency.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Going into this year I thought Buck deserved one more chance to prove himself one way or the other, and he’s certainly done that. Moving forward, he should not be part of their plans in any way.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The word I heard is that he's not quite to the point of being able to play routinely every day

If that’s the case it makes sense to give him another week or two in Sacramento, but on the other hand it’s not like they couldn’t give him a day off every few games with the A’s.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, they do it with Barton, Cust, Crisp and Suzuki for no good reason.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't rehab assignments up to 30 days?

or 20 or something?

It just seems weird that they would burn his last option when there were other methods available to them.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Aug 1, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

right.

which means that he either makes the team out of ST next year or is gone.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Aug 1, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a 4th or 5th OFer

I’d be fine with him being on the team. It’s not like there’s tons of better options than him.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 1, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

4th or 5th OFer?

We already have four of them. Crisp, Davis, Sweeney, Jackson.

by HCF from Oakball on Aug 2, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

They’ll all still be with this team and 100% healthy.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 2, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was on rehab for the full 20 days

And the option year counts only if he is 20 days on optional assignment. So they have about two more weeks to call him up and preserve the option.

by Rio on Aug 2, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, Buck needs more time to shake off the rust I think.

He better be up soon though.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing about Buck is that he has done the exact opposite

of “force the A’s hand” — he keeps either having weird new physical issues or hitting really badly.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true,

I just think with two Matts on the team now, and Buck nearing full health and getting his groove back (SSS be damned), he should be up in the near future.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Aug 1, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That said, he's still got more upside than either of the Matts.

but I also think that Jeremy Hermida should have been claimed, so WTF do I know

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Aug 1, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

My take: All four suck!

Let’s get some real ones and let loser organizations fight over Travis, Jeremy, and the Matts.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Carter went 0 for 4 at DH tonight

so it’s official: He can’t DH!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Carter was hungover lol

I saw him last night in downtown Sac at an irish pub. Him and Bowers were hitting on my girlfriend’s friends and she told me they were bragging about being Rivercats. So I wondered over there to confirm and it was them to. He even pulled out his ID to show the girls, it was a Nevada ID. HAHA cool guys though, Bowers was funny.

by Chico_Athletic on Aug 1, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, you said this already

And I doubt he was hungover all day and into the game itself.

Let’s not spread silly stories based on meeting him at a pub.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he wasn't hungover at all

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 1, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whereas the poster...

…Less sure.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry I couldn't find it so I figured I didn't hit post.

No need to take it personal, it was a joke. The guys weren’t drunk, it was just fun meeting them. What stories am I spreading?

by Chico_Athletic on Aug 1, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Saying you met them is one thing

Saying Carter was hungover is an entirely different thing, and a lie you admit.

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by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defamatory jokes FTL!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying to make a joke about him going 0-4 tonight.

They are adults, I don’t see what’s the big deal about them drinking on a Saturday night. I’m simply saying that I met them and they bought my friends a drink.

by Chico_Athletic on Aug 1, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

YAY GIO!

His growth season continues…………… :drool face:

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Aug 2, 2010 2:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Stats please...

Is there a team worse than the A’s at getting runners home from thirs with less than two outs? Tough to believe that there can be.

Cust’s at-bat with the bases loaded was appalling, especially after he had already struck out twice before.

by itsgemme on Aug 2, 2010 6:35 AM PDT reply actions  

in 13 PAscust is batting

375/462/625. this year.

333/437/627 career

the ab was way better than kouzmanoff’s, who would have GIDP.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Aug 2, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

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