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AN Exclusive Interview With Craig Breslow (Part III of III)

I chatted with A's lefty Craig Breslow on Thursday morning by phone, in a 25-minute interview I have broken into three parts. Part I is here and Part II is here. In Part III (below the jump) we talk baseball -- specifically about Breslow's pitching, how he explains his success and how much he goes "inside the numbers" to analyze his stuff.

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Nico: What is really amazing to me, watching you pitch, is how often you throw fastballs that hitters swing right through. And AN is really data oriented, and so everyone runs to the Pitch FX charts, and the vertical movement charts, to figure out "What is it that's going on? It's not the velocity, it's not this, it's not that," and I'm curious about a couple things on that: One, what your perspective is on what makes your fastball -- which has really become a "go to" pitch for you against left and right handers -- what makes it as effective as it is, first of all, and then also, how you analyze it and how much of an interest you take in figuring out the science of what's going on?

Breslow: Hmm...{chuckles} I definitely know that I throw fastballs the overwhelming majority of the time! But, I don't know if there's a correlation between that and what I've done my whole life, or if I've been noticing more recent success with it, but I've kind of always kind of felt like, number one, a well-executed fastball is always going to be the best pitch. There may be times where the count, or the statistics, or the numbers show that a breaking ball or a changeup is a good pitch.

But I feel like if you can execute a fastball -- and by that I mean throw the pitch where you want -- I feel like that's never the wrong pitch. And I think that a lot of the data, as you've pointed out, has told me that my fastball is my best pitch, so if I'm ever going to get beat that's the pitch I should get beat on.

As far as the mechanics, or the physics, or the "why" my 91 or 92 MPH fastball gets swung on and missed more often than someone's 98 or 99 I have no idea. I don't know if it's all my doing or if there's something on the hitters' side where you see a guy who's not so big, doesn't throw so hard, maybe you're thinking, "OK, don't get beat by a breaking ball," or "don't get beat by a changeup," as a guy -- a guy like, say, Joel Zumaya, for example -- I mean, every hitter that goes up there knows he throws 100 MPH and probably your thought process is, "Don't get beat by the 100."

I think beyond that there are probably some factors that won't show up in a data base, some of those being "life" on the fastball through the zone, and I don't know exactly how to quantify that but maybe its pitches that keep their velocity...And then maybe there's some kind of quirkiness in my delivery that makes it more difficult for hitters to pick up.

I know one thing: When I throw, mechanically I'm very low. I almost kind of "collapse" -- which isn't necessarily something I want to be doing, but I think it allows the fastball that ends up riding up on hitters to have a little different kind of plane than a guy who stays really tall and throws the ball downhill.

Nico: Yeah, that's a really good insight because we've been able to figure out is that your fastball seems to have more what they call "vertical movement" -- even though fastballs don't really rise, but they work against gravity -- but actually that kind of is what's going on, and maybe that's what it is, is the "low to the ground." Because all we have, chart-wise, is what the ball appears to be doing -- is it losing velocity, does it appear to be rising, tailing, sinking -- but that's an interesting insight as to why that might be going on.

I was just curious -- it seemed to me like if anyone would take an interest beyond video, into the sort of physics and mechanics, it would probably be you, and we were just wondering, did you avail yourself of that kind of information?

Breslow: Right. The flip side of that is if I find something that {laughing} doesn't look too promising, or seems like it should just be variance, then I've got myself in trouble, so sometimes the most simple explanation is the best, like, "You know, when I throw a ball up in the zone, guys tend to swing at it and they don't hit it too hard too often."

Nico: {Laughing} Yeah, that's pretty good scientific data right there. Someone was just interested in whether your approach has changed at all, recently, in light of kind of moving from being a  "lefty specialist" to more of a "set up man/closer/pitch a full inning/face lefties and righties." Has that changed your approach, or mind-set, at all against left-handers, or in general approaching an inning?

Breslow: I would say probably in a general sense it means that I'm now facing more right-handers than I had in the past. Obviously as a lefty specialist coming in to face a batter or two, (the manager) can kind of control the opposing hitter and in which side of the plate he hits from, but if you're going to kind of blanketly say, "OK, you're going to pitch the 8th inning" then I'm just facing whoever happens to come up, even if it's three consecutive righties. But I think, as we've just spoken, the fact that I throw a lot of fastballs and they tend to be effective against both righties and lefties, speaks to my ability to face both.

I feel like for a long time I was doing my best to shed being typecast as a lefty specialist, because I think throughout my career my splits have been pretty even. So I guess it doesn't really change, necessarily, my approach or the way I would pitch guys. It just perhaps allows me to be a little bit more comfortable and familiar with the situation in which I will pitch.

Nico: My last question is relevant to today, for example -- if you were to pitch today it would be three days in a row. When you've worked a lot -- and you've had some stretches where you've worked four days out of five, or you're asked to go longer in given outings and then come back-to-back -- are there things a fan can actually predict before you actually come in, that you know are going to be different when you're particularly fresh, or you're particularly heavily worked, or high pitch counts over, say, the last few days?

Breslow: Right. There are some of things that are probably pretty obvious -- I would say velocity typically takes a dip the 3rd or 4th day in a row that you're throwing. But I think one thing that's kind of perhaps overlooked would be command. And not necessarily just "strikes vs. balls" -- for the most part, guys are still able to keep the ball within the strike zone -- but it's the pitch that was at the knees two days ago was kind of at the lower thigh yesterday, and is now closer to the belt. Or a pitch that you were able to get the outer 1/3 of the plate is now maybe just at the outer 1/2 as the result of being tired, and maybe your arm and your body not working as synchronized as they had been --

Nico: Even though you should be, in theory, developing more "muscle memory" too -- you could make an argument, right?

Breslow: Right, there's probably an age-old debate about "muscle deterioration and fatigue" vs. "muscle memory and strength" --

Nico: And it all doesn't matter if Kerwin Danley doesn't call it a strike anyway!

Breslow: {Laughs} That's awfully true...But there's even a chance that my top fastball's 93 MPH the first day after four days off, and the last day it might be 93 MPH after pitching three or four days in a row, but I just feel like I need to work that much harder to get it to 93 MPH. And I think that as a result at times my command suffers, or movement suffers, things like that.

Nico: What I want to say, off the "interview," is that for me as a fan, I don't tend to care that much about someone's statistics or who seems to be the best player on the team. I really go for quality people, and I just want you to know you have my full respect -- I just think what you do is awesome, on and off the field.

Breslow: I appreciate that. I mean, as cliché as it sounds, ballplayers are just people, you know? If I weren't doing this I'd probably be at -- {laughing} well, hopefully by now I would have graduated -- {"With any luck, yeah"} -- Right, right, otherwise I'd be going on my 8th year! But no, I appreciate that -- I don't necessarily just want to be known for what I'm doing on the field, because I feel there's so much more ... so much more to that.

I really wouldn't mind if the A's kept Craig Breslow around for a while. Hope you enjoyed the interview!  -Nico

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Good stuff, and nice work

The little bits that have to do with how often someone is used in succession ring so true, especially when it looks like to us someone’s still throwing with the same velocity and so on when it’s really more of a struggle to hit that speed and put the ball where you want without sufficient rest.

We can look at someone who fails in that spot or one like it and say “Oh, he didn’t get the job done” or “He just got beat” or whatever, but there’s almost always a reason for it beneath the surface that ties into other things that have already happened. Some days the pitcher just doesn’t have the feel he needs, other days he’s locked in from the first warmup pitch.

I liked this.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Command and Control

I thought his comments on command of the pitches were very interesting. I find when I’m trying to explain the difference between command and control that it’s difficult to articulate. Though coaching youth baseball I know that when they’re tired they can’t finish pitches and they start to leave stuff up.

For myself, I know I think of it in relation to speed skating and people like Eric Heiden talking about how hard it is to stay down and drive through each stroke. And with pitching I know it’s very hard to get on top of the ball and finish the pitch as you get tired. To come all the way down with your throwing hand. (The whole bit with Lincecum reaching down to pick up a dollar, etc.) It’s easy to start the motion, but it’s hard to finish it.

by DavidS on Aug 1, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep

I don’t know how easy it is to coach the concept that the more fatigued you are, the more holes open up in your mechanics whether pitching OR hitting. Then one little difference can lead to a more clear result that goes in favor of the other guy.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Aug 1, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good job.

And thanks to Mr. Breslow!

Also, I got a chuckle out of “Nico {laughing}” though I’m not sure why.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Aug 1, 2010 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you Nico and thank you Breslow

another article that demonstrates why AN is so fANtastic

When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen

by rhymeswithelephant on Aug 1, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Those are interesting answers about his approach to analyzing his own pitching

Breslow is obviously very, very smart and very interested in studying things he cares about. But he seems to have decided to avoid studying his own pitches’ effectiveness in too much detail. I wonder whether he’d feel differently if he were a starter, with 4 days to sit around without actually facing hitters in a game between appearances. Does a guy like Brian Bannister focus on cutting-edge stats partly because it’s a way to keep himselfc usefully occupied between starts, rather than just fidgeting or worrying? If Breslow were a starter, maybe he’d have the time and the desire to delve into it, too.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 1, 2010 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds to me more like

he’s a fan of the more emperical, “Occam’s Razor” approach: Don’t overthink it, do what works, embrace the obvious.

I get the feeling Breslow’s not a big worrier, which is consistent with the perspective one tends to have when you’ve been an 11-year old with a sister battling cancer.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is very, very interesting.
As far as the mechanics, or the physics, or the “why” my 91 or 92 MPH fastball gets swung on and missed more often than someone’s 98 or 99 I have no idea…I think beyond that there are probably some factors that won’t show up in a data base, some of those being “life” on the fastball through the zone, and I don’t know exactly how to quantify that but maybe its pitches that keep their velocity…And then maybe there’s some kind of quirkiness in my delivery that makes it more difficult for hitters to pick up.

Guess Breslow isn’t a west coast version of Brian Bannister. (Not that it really matters.)

For the record, there’s no such thing as “life” on a fastball. It’s simple physics—an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted on by an external force. During the flight of a baseball, the only force acting on the ball is air resistance, which slows all pitches by the same amount (per unit of time).

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah he seems to be like the majority of athletes:

if it works, don’t question why it does, just continue to do it.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Aug 1, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is true for velocity, but movement?

What’s referred to as “life” is probably " late movement," not anything related to velocity.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same with regards to movement.

There’s no such thing as “early” movement or “late” movement. Movement is movement, and it’s constant through the entire flight. Any perception of late movement is an optical illusion, as there’s no force that could make a baseball increase the rate of its break mid-flight.

Late movement, most likely, is just a result of a lot of movement, which appears to increase as it gets closer, because it’s physically closer to the batter.

by danmerqury on Aug 1, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth be told, I don't believe that.

But I’m not a physicist so I wouldn’t be able to argue it beyond that very unhelpful reply.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 1, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

??...!!!

You would be able to argue if you had the book “The Physics of Baseball” (Robert K Adair, PhD). The you would throw out there for total obfuscation, the Magnus force at velocities greater than 75 mph, drag coefficient, Reynolds numbers….
…there can be “late movement” that is speed-dependent. The speed of the ball is not constant throughout the flight. It gets slower.

Start on page 47

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

NERD

just kidding.

Crazy how in-depth people have gone into this….

by Billy Frijoles on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen books of great detail

on more obscure subjects.

Looking at the author, I think he was begged to write it. He doesn’t profess any baseball background such as "i’ve always liked it/ I played/ " etc. Strictly physics.

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Aug 3, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Air resistance does not slow all pitches by the same amount.

Drag increases with the square of the velocity, therefore faster pitches are slowed more. (See drag equation.) This is so intuitive that I wonder if you just misspoke yourself.

It seems plausible to me that certain types of spin on the ball could affect the drag coefficient, but that’s beyond my minimal grasp of physics.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Aug 1, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah. Should have known that.

In either case, any two fastballs at the same speed would slow down the same amount. What’s much more likely is that what batters think of as “life” is the amount of vertical movement on the pitch. More vertical movement means a ball drops less, which means that it appears to come in faster.

by danmerqury on Aug 2, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily so

Spin matters, too, on both the forward velocity and it’s movement in the x-y plane. At some stage in the future (I guess, when I’m not at work), I’ll draw up some diagrams.

Physics is fun, and that’s a fact

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

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by bobnothing on Aug 2, 2010 4:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I drew some in a separate FanPost

I was at work. Be gentle.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
– John Wooden

by elcroata on Aug 2, 2010 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good topic to touch

I was, as usual, unable to keep my answer concise – therefore there is a new FanPost on the right.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
– John Wooden

by elcroata on Aug 2, 2010 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I won't get into a debate on the physics because I simply don't know

But I do think the “quirkiness to my delivery” line is interesting, particularly because I never considered Breslow’s to be particularly odd. Still, if batters can’t pick up the ball for even a foot or two moreso than other pitchers, that gives Breslow an advantage.

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by thejd44 on Aug 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the interview, Nico

and of course thanks to Craig Breslow for making himself available.

Wish I had $100 to donate on August 4th. Sounds like a very special event!

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Aug 1, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Interview

I’ve always been a big Breslow fan because I’ve been really interested in reading about the Strike 3 foundation and his background in the science field. I feel like its really cool to get to know players via interviews and this is a great guy to do that with because he is such a well-educated guy he makes a great interviewie

Good stuff Nico!

Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor

by supermarc589 on Aug 1, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Great interview!

I love Breslow and I want to keep him. :(

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Aug 2, 2010 12:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Apparently there was interest at the trade deadline,

and the A’s said “we’re not looking to move him; he’s part of our future core” — that’s a good sign!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it wrong

that CB strikes me from this (utterly devastatingly awesome) interview as smarter and more qualified to lead than our manager is? We are so lucky to have someone this good both between the lines (and the ears) and just as good off the field… it seemed to me when I was reading this that this guy might be the smartest and most articulate athlete in MLB, at least that comes to mind off the top of my head.

No way I’m wiping this off the FP Monday, it’s all Craig until gametime.

Hello, I'm Vince Cotroneo for the Marmaduke B. Mushmouth School of Public Speaking...

by emperor nobody on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I did ask Geren each of these questions last night,

but his answers to them were all, “Huh?” Then he started talking about acquiring more white guys named Matt and I hung up.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do. Not. Want.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Everyday Breslow............

Thank you for taking time to talk to us.
And thank you for kicking ass as an A.

Regards,

Daniel777

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Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 AM PDT reply actions  

That was a great series, Nico

Breslow really seems like a guy to root for.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
– John Wooden

by elcroata on Aug 2, 2010 5:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Odd Man Out

Is everybody aware that Breslow is featured in the baseball book Odd Man Out?

He’s best friends with the author who is also a lefty reliever/scientist. It’s an interesting book worth checking out.

by DavidS on Aug 2, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

That's a great book

And although I read it last spring, I didn’t realize at the time that Breslow was in it.

I love the part where Kotchman gets disgusted with his pitchers (Angels A league team) and puts in a catcher to pitch the ninth. In a game prior to that Matt McCarthy (the pitcher who wrote the book, a biophysics graduate from Yale) walked Prince Fielder, because he was very pensive about the at bat, knowing Fielder’s quality, pitching carefully and drawing Kotch’s ire for throwing a 3-2 change up.

The catcher, Sunshine, got Fielder out on three straight fastballs over the middle of the plate. Their conversation after the game went like:

Matt: Nice job with Prince.
Sunshine: Thanks. Which one is he?
Matt: Prince Fielder.
Sunshine: One of the guys I just pitched to?
Matt: Do you know any of the guys you just faced?
Sunshine: No.
Matt: The big fat kid.
Sunshine: Oh, yeah, that big fat kid. He should mix in a salad every once in a while.

The book is a riot, a must read, especially as many current Angels appear in it.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
– John Wooden

by elcroata on Aug 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this guy should be doing EVERY post-game interview we have

or at least covering for Brett “sky is blue today” Anderson.

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Aug 2, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Breslow is getting a ton of press lately

I saw him on channel 5 last week and this week in baseball on Saturday and of course on All A’s. Good for him, since he has the strike 3 foundation.

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by micdog2001 on Aug 2, 2010 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words, those of you who said kind words!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 2, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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