Smoak to M's, Lee to Rangers
by SamYam on Jul 9, 2010 2:28 PM PDT
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PrintThe New York Post reported that the M's sent [Cliff] Lee and reliever Mark Lowe to Texas for first baseman Justin Smoak and three other minor-leaguers.
Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5367615
I'm a bit shocked that they would trade Smoak to a division rival, where he could come back and bite them for years. I think this is a great move by the Mariners. Does anyone know who the other three minor leaguers are? I think this will put Texas over the top in the division, but it means that they're giving up a big future piece for a pitcher who probably won't resign, especially considering the state of their ownership.
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lol, don’t tell me that you were still optimistic that the A’s could actually win the division…
Anyways, Seattle absolutely made out like bandits in this deal. If the Rangers don’t win the WS (which I don’t expect them to), then they’re going to regret this deal big time.
No not so much optimistic for the A's persay, just felt that it was exciting that the division was still somewhat open.
Really surprised they would give up Smoke for a loaner.
Rangers > Angels in ANY situation...
I want the Rangers to run away with it so the Angels can’t get into the playoffs…
Wade Hines
I would not mind the Minnows overtaking the slegnA
Actually, I would enjoy it.
Erik Bedard’s triumphant return?
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
It would be funny if the Rangers somehow managed to not win the division.
I think JD would probably get fired.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
JD
Drew, Harmayer or Roth? None of them has a secure job.
If JD Drew doesn't have a secure job, I'd take him on the A's in an instant.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
lol, don’t tell me that you were still optimistic that the A’s could actually win the division…
Until the A’s have more games left in the season than games to make up against the first place team, there’s always a chance. In the Wild Wild West, there’s always a chance.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Excuse me.
That should have said “fewer games left in the season.” Fewer. Obviously, the A’s currently have more games left in the season than games to make up against the first place team.
Perhaps a Freudian slip.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
No, that's when you accidentally say,
“Until the A’s have more games left in the season than I have bullets reserved in this magnum for my father…”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This is why pundits have given up on the Orioles too soon!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Now that's a different situation.
In the AL East, it’s too late by the second week of the season. In the AL West, you could be 10 games out with five left to play and you might still pull it out.
You see what I did there.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, you got us within 10 in late September!
Woo hoo!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Fuck yeah.
No way are we worse than 10 GB at the end of the season. No way are either the Rangers or the Angels good enough to put us THAT far in the bag.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That was my first thought
My second thought was “hopefully the Mariners raided the Rangers’ system.”
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
I don't really see Texas having it in the bag because of this trade.
Now they have one bankable starter. The rest of their rotation is filled with guys ranging from bad to adequate, and their bullpen consists of the same. Their only real strength is their lineup, and if that’s all you needed to win games, the Yankees would have dominated the 1980s.
The Rangers probably do have almost all of Lee’s starts in the bag; all he’s lacked this season has been run support, and his new team should be able to reliably spot him three or four runs most of the time. But beyond that, the Rangers are still very capable of losing the division, and even of finishing behind the A’s. Their month was June. From here on out, they have to play actual Major League ballclubs for the most part, while the Angels and the A’s have had, and will continue to have, much more evenly distributed schedules.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I LOVE this trade...for the A's.
The Rangers won’t be able to re-sign Lee because of the bankruptcy. The Mariners, even with Smoak, are really a long way away from being really good. Sure, they’re better, but I still don’t consider them a significant threat in 2011/2012.
The Rangers just made themselves worse in the next few years, when the A’s will hopefully have a chance in the division.
I think this is a win for the A’s. A really bad team made itself better, but not good enough, and a better team made itself worse for the future (though better right now). Love it.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I think Texas is clearly the best team in the west right now. We arent going to compete with them this year. Now all I want this year is best possible development of our hitters as possible. Id be happy shooting for 2nd place.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Eh, maybe not that much worse.
Depends on whether Chris Davis will live up to his potential. The three guys Texas gave up (if the reports are true) aren’t really part of their future.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I'm not declaring the kid DOA, or anything...
… but he’s had a bit more than a cup of coffee. And those numbers ain’t pretty.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
I think Chris Davis really, really sucks.
You’re right in saying that if he’s good, the Rangers will be okay. But I don’t think that happens. I think Davis is a worse Chris Duncan.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, you don't put up a .880 OPS in thbombs in 80 games by being entirely hopeless at baseball.e big leagues at age 22 and hit 17
If you think Davis sucks, you must really have a problem with the A’s planning their future offense around Chris Carter.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Chris Carter can draw a walk.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't know how good Carter's strike zone judgement is, but David doesn't have any.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Yes, but he strikes out at an even more impressive clip and arguably has even more holes in his swing.
And Davis put up gaudy major league numbers at age 22. Carter is 23 and has yet to reach the big leagues.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Davis came up, did well, then failed to adjust when the league figured him out
It’s two years later and he still hasn’t been able to adjust.
Swinging at everything (and missing a lot) can work when you’re a 22 year old and pitchers are just challenging you all day. It doesn’t work as well when pitchers actually pitch.
His success isn’t impossible or anything. He might become a good player, but I’m betting against it.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, I'm not saying he's a sure thing or anything.
But the potential is there, and he’s still young. And since the other prospects Texas gave up are non factors, I don’t think this trade is nearly as bad as people are making it out to be, even if Davis indeed fails.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
It's not a bad trade for Texas
But I think Smoak could be a start first baseman. I think Davis is out of the league in 2 years. Based on that, I think the Rangers made themselves worse in 2011 because they won’t have a 1B.
It doesn’t mean they’re finished or anything, but I do see this as a positive for the A’s in the long run.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It's exactly the kind of trade
that we’re constantly glad Beane doesn’t make. Now maybe if we were in the Rangers’ position, and there was a high-caliber rental player that would fill one-fifth of a glaring hole in our attack, we might feel differently. (On the other hand, trading for Conor Jackson feels kind of like what it would mean to fill one-fifth of a glaring hole in our attack.)
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Smoak hasn’t shown anything yet. I mean he has been craptastic and there’s no guarantee he’ll be anything but.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Jul 9, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not been THAT bad. And there's a strong chance he'll be an excellent player.
His history suggests that at least.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
at this point he is still a brett wallace level prospect
maybe better. though with more of his value tied up in defense.
there are and have been many
chris davis type of prospects. big power, big k rate, low walk rate. they very rarely pan out. guys who also have plate discipline are fewer and farer and stand a much better chance.
agree that this trade is a win for the a’s. texas will be the (second) best team in the west over the next 5 years. removing smoak from the picture is a good thing.
Let's use the sentence doctor for this.
Eh, you don’t put up a .880 OPS in thbombs in 80 games by being entirely hopeless at baseball.e big leagues at age 22 and hit 17
Eh, you don’t put up a .880 OPS in th bombs in 80 games by being entirely hopeless at baseball.
e big leagues at age 22 and hit 17
Eh, you don’t put up a .880 OPS in the big leagues at age 22 and hit 17 bombs in 80 games by being entirely hopeless at baseball.
That wasn’t so hard!
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 9, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Accidentally touching the trackpad effed it up.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
That's what sentence doctor is for!
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you ignoring the fact that half his games are in Texas?
Ask me about my squirrel.
In 2008, his good year, he had a higher OPS away from Texas and hit one more home run in about 20 less at bats.
Also, half of his games will continue to be in Texas so….not really seeing your point here.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Davis 2008 = Buck 2007
Pans in the flash
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
I think Buck's badness is entirely the result of injuries
I think Davis’ is entirely the result of not being good enough to handle major league pitching
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
Buck’s 07 BABIP = .347.
He was just lucky and is not good enough to be anything more than a 5th OF on an NL team. Sorry, I know he’s popular around here for literally no logical reason whatsoever, but the truth needs to come out on him, and he needs to be released ASAP.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
It's utter bullcrap that he was lucky
He was good in 2007, and he hasn’t been since.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sabermetrics vs. Instinct, Round 5,678,932!
Alright, gentlemen, you both know the rules. We’re all professionals here, so I want a good clean fight.
aaaaand…FUCK ’EM UP!
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not instinct, watching him play every day.
What did he do that wasn’t really good, other than “BABIP too high”? Which came from…y’know…hitting the ball really well…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I don't have a dog in this fight.
I have no opinion on Buck. Incidentally, I also don’t have a preference between Sabermetrics and instinct. I think they both have a place. Call me LaRussa.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on both points.
I have no opinion on Buck, and I’m neutral between stats and instincts.
I am, however, predisposed against whichever person presents his case by saying that everyone else has “literally no logical reason whatsoever”.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I love this post for some reason.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 9, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
the LD% +.120 method doesn't agree with this
but its kinda iffy
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 9, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well all he did that season was hit line drives into the gaps.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I think he's a fine AAAA player
Who can come up if a regular gets injured (assuming he’s not injured at the same time, of course).
@WorldBLee
Instead of the Yanks getting Lee now
They get him for Christmas
by OaklandSi on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's why I think it's a silly trade. They're giving up an excellent prospect for half a season of Lee.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Disagree it's silly.
They have a shot this year. THIS YEAR. This trade helps give them an advantage to win the division. The post-season is also greatly influenced by dominant pitching, so while they won’t be the best team in the post-season, they could get farther if their good pitching gets on a roll. It’s just increasing their chances… there are no guarantees.
Not making the trade could cost them as well. There’s such a thing as being too cautious, too, and never winning anything because you never took the chance.
Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.
by UncleLeo on Jul 11, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I seriously doubt they're good enough to win in the post season, Lee or no.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Depends who they play
They could matchup with Tampa Bay or Boston or Detroit or Chicago or Minnesota.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Dodgers never should have won in '88, either.
Or the Twins in ’87, or the…
Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.
FTW
Yup. Them getting Lee almost = us getting Anderson back.
The Rangers are still 2 SP away from getting on the Yanks level….which they wont do, nor ever be.
I kind of want Billy to only trade Sweeney, Braden, Ellis, Sheets & Crisp now. Everyone else stays.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Them getting Lee is >>>> us getting Anderson back
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Not really
BA doesnt have to pitch half his games in the sweltering heat.
There’s even an outside chance he might flop.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
No, there is not
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jul 9, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
tonight I hope is the start of the “Cliff Lee sucking in Texas” trend I hope lasts the rest of the year, and also co-incides with the “Justin Smoak is over-rated and really going to flop in Seattle” trend!
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
What is your logic for trading Braden?
Seems to me he’s the clearest example of someone who is worth more to us than he is to another team.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I think his value is as high as it will ever get.
Simply put.
I also like other internal options more (Outman, Mortensen).
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
His value is most likely quite low with most teams
Hasn’t pitched as well as of late due to injury problems.
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jul 9, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his value to other teams is very low.
He’s a so-so #4 starter who is hurt and has been bad for the past month. Other teams are not beating down the door for something like that. For Oakland, on the other hand, he’s the same so-so hurt #4, but he is also valuable in terms of his personal story, his ability to give good interview, the marketability of his perfect game, his leadership in the clubhouse, and the fact that he actually likes Oakland. Most of that will not come with him if he gets shipped.
You want to trade that away just to get whatever return is available for a so-so #4 starter? That’s nuts. There’s no way we could get anything in trade worth more than he is to us.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Outman isn't pitching cuz hes hurt
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 9, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of want Billy to only trade Sweeney, Braden, Ellis, Sheets & Crisp now. Everyone else stays.
What do we expect to get out of these trades? Prospects? We’re not a rebuilding team. We’re a team that’s damn near close to built. Swingles is a fine guy to have in a lineup, provided a couple of power hitters are in there too. Same goes for Ellis and Crisp. They’re good hitters, and none of them are very expensive.
Regarding the pitchers, Braden is very salvageable. If Curt Young could work magic on Cahill like he did, he can work magic on Braden and bring him back to us. And Sheets hasn’t been nearly good enough for anybody to rent him for the postseason. Not for his price tag.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think "close to built" is a bit optimstic
The farm system, currently, is just not that great. And obviously the current big league team isn’t great, or even good.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's pretty decent, actually. Lots of interesting prospects.
No bona fide superstars though, which is an issue. Plenty of potentially very good MLers though.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I dont think those guys have any kind of future here.
Why would you think they would?
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Just for grins
Oh yeah, and Texas better win it all this year, since Lee will be a Yankee next season.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
Damn, Fox.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
from mlbtraderumors.com
4:31pm: The Mariners also get right-hander Josh Lueke and second baseman Matthew Lawson, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Multiple other reports confirm that the Mariners obtain Lueke, Lawson, Beavan and Smoak for Lowe, Lee and cash.
Cust!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Because Adam Dunn is really a "1B"
Living in DC, I’ve watched him play enough… umm, no. And the stats agree with me.
But then, since the Nats are my NL team, and of course I hate the slegnA, I strongly root for Rizzo to milk some prospects away.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
I don't imagine Halos Heaven will be all that thrilled 'bout this deal
The Lone Star Ball people are sort of split, knowing that there’s no way CL is more than a rental for them to take their first serious stab at the postseason since wild beasts roamed an Earth covered with green plankton.
I think it makes the division more winnable for the A’s next year, once Lee’s out of the division and in pinstripes with they rest of the superstars. I really thought LeBron James was going to the Yankees too, by the way.
Hello, I'm Vince Cotroneo for the Marmaduke B. Mushmouth School of Public Speaking...
I think it's a terrible trade for Texas.
They’ve given up a very talented hitter for a half year rental. They’d best win it all this year or this trade is going to come back and haunt them.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I'll be the first to say it in this thread
Fark Halos Hell. I hope they are livid about this.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
The Rangers didn't look after Smoak like we would have. Traded at 23?!
Silly GM. You wait until he’s in his prime, then you tear out the hearts of the fan base and sell him down the river.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
This reminds me of when Jeff Shaw was traded the day before the all star game
He dressed as a dodger. I wonder if Lee will dress as a ranger?
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964
by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 9, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions
Hmm, so his first appearance in a Rangers uniform will be in the all-star game, right?
That’s weird.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He will dress as a Ranger at the all star game
I remember when Jeff Shaw got traded from the reds to the dodgers the day before the all star game. He dressed as a dodger.
Does anyone remember similar situations?
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964
by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 9, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
Well that makes no sense. He's not going to have pitched for the team yet he's going to wear their uniform.
Oh and how crazy is Cliff Lee’s life at the moment? Cleveland, Philly, Seattle, Arlington……New York? All in a two year period.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Just in case anyone, like me, wanted a handle on how good the prospects are:
Sickels gives Beavan a C+ and says:
Another low strikeout guy, throws strikes, still very young.
Lawson and Lueke didn’t even rate a C, at least not in this list.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Lueke also has a blotch on his personal record.
Same idea as Corey Brown, but worse.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Arrested for rape?
Yeah, I’d call that a blotch.
Since he’s still pitching I can only assume he wasn’t prosecuted. Although the story Blicks links to below says something happened that night.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Slightly more than a red flag.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Whomever isn't starting in the outfield?
Chris Davis? Salty or Teagarden?
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Much rather this than the Yankees.
If someone’s going to give the Mariners a shitton of prospects, why not the Rangers?
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
How could he prohibit this trade?
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jul 9, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He could have called a tie.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Stellar character there, that Lueke kid
http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/48562782.html
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Mariners trolled the Yankees.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
The Yankees should get back at the Rangers by trading Montero for Ben Sheets.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 9, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
Do the Rangers get draft picks if Cliff Lee signs somewhere else in the offseason?
Does Cliff Lee make a no-trade clause an absolute must in his next deal?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Yes. They'll get the Yankees' first round pick in 2011.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I wasn't joking.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
As long as they offer arbitration (and they will), yes.
They’ll get two, since Lee is a Type A (I said this without looking it up, but I can’t imagine he’s not).
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
[+1 pt right, -1 pt wrong]
Yes, no trade clause indeed
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
really
you don’t think he is tired of moving from city to city all the time?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
In all the talk about GMs,
I think the Twins’ Bill Smith deserves some credit for making a solid offer but then resisting the temptation to overpay when the bidding got too crazy.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
HH in denial
http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/7/9/1561919/cliff-lee-to-the-rangers-what-does
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'll rely on you to extract the gems.
Cause I’m not going over there.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Yeah, this.
I cant look at that site.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
The OP seems to understand their limitations
Not sure about the commenters though.
One quote from the OP about their issues:
“Scott Kazmir pitches every 5th day”
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Buuuuuaaaaahaha
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Good,
Playoff Lee is a beast
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That was one of the best World Series moments ever.
by JonathanNathan on Jul 9, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The worst World Series Moment ever,
was the entire 2002 series. If the Giants play the Angels in the WS again, I just might have to kill myself.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
good news for A's
First Smoak out of texas and to M’s doesn’t mean bad news since M’s will give him no protection. Second Lee will not be resigned and texas with new owners may not have allot of money to spend. Third Sheets value has gone way up. From how the rumors are going Sheets may be traded for a quality prospect instead of just APTBNL. If the A’s pick up Sheets remaining money for the year they could get a good prospect for him maybe a 2b prospect?
Sheets' value has not gone up,
Supply of pitchers has gone down but demand has gone down too. There is now one less team looking for a pitcher, and that teams happens to be one of the ones most restricted with regard to payroll. If the A’s are going to get anything decent for Sheets, it will be by taking on most of his salary and trading him to a team that can’t afford to be star pitcher money for a star pitcher. In terms of demand for Sheets, it would have been better for the A’s if Lee had gone to a big budget team.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
His value still went up
But not by much. Having a pitcher even with fewer teams in need is still better than needing a pitcher and having one fewer pitcher available. But you are right about had Lee gone to a bigger budget team it would have been better for the A’s.
Ask me about my squirrel.
What will increase Sheets' value the most
is simply if he puts up 2-3 really good starts at just the right time. These next couple starts of his could be really key to the A’s future, because if he throws well enough he could absolutely net a good prospect.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sheets to the Mets or Twins
That would be my guess since they do not want to pick up additional payroll and the A’s could send over money. Of course it would mean a better prospect if the A’s send money. Don’t rule out whitesox with Peavy going down.
Not sure what the Mets have that matches up well
They seem to have a couple studs (e.g., Wilmer Flores) too good for Sheets and a lot of crap. Maybe Reese Havens, who’s now at 2B and turning 24, is in that middle range and mayyyybe Fernando Martinez could be had for the right package including Shets (but I kind of doubt it).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
agree
That is the problem with the Mets they have a very weak farm system. I wonder if Raja Davis is another player on the trading block. He looks like he is back to being a back up outfielder and arbitration next year. Maybe the A’s can flip him to a contender for some mid level prospect. I don’t see a fit for him in Oakland next year.
True that.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
this kinda reminds me of Ethier for Dye
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on Jul 9, 2010 4:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
i mean Bradley
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i mean Bradley
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on Jul 9, 2010 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For a moment there I worried about you
by OaklandSi on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
im always worried about me
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bradley wasn't a rental.
And, also, I really wish people would realize just how good-but-not-great Ethier really is.
Being about as bad as Cust on defense really, really limits how good he is.
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by thejd44 on Jul 9, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that he was a rental just that we gave up our big offensive chip for a stretch run
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 9, 2010 8:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
People only see the bat in highlights. You've got to watch people play to appreciate how bad they are defensively.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Hence the offensive chip comment, not overall great player chip
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on Jul 10, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
How dumb...
does Ruben Amaro, Jr. look right now? Not that it changes the initial idiotic trade. Man, is he ever running the Phillies into the ground.
He'll be out of a job in the next 2 years when the Phils have a monumental slide...
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by stranahanahan on Jul 9, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruben looks even dumber
when the team has zero payroll flexibility and gets run into the ground. Or he overpays for one of the secondary pitchers on the market (Sheets/Westbrook/Millwood).
And, Ryan Howard is putting up a beautiful season as a first baseman on pace to be barely above league average. When Gaby Sanchez, Billy Butler, Paul Konerko, and our own Daric Barton have you beat in WAR, and you just signed him to a 125MM extension, you have a problem.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Hasn't the team won a WS under his reign?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
M's milked this deal for all they could...and give Texas the Division Crown
The story in Seattle is that the M’s had the suitors bid against each other and took the best deal. The in the know bloggers like USS Mariner are ecstatic, while the know nothing everyday fans remain clueless.
You can crown Texas the champion of the Division. Cliff Lee is an absolute stud, and Cy Young award winner lock. I think the trade has little impact on the A’s as the A’s were already done for the divisional crown, and Texas has no chance to re-sign Lee and will be weaker next year. The trade will help the M’s but they are so bad and needs lots more help then provided in this one trade.
Long-time lurker, rarely posted
But I’m glad I finally got the chance to start one of these threads. Usually when I get the alert, somebody has beaten me to it…
My thoughts have pretty much already been said: this is great for the A’s. While it’s a great move for the Mariners who get a hitter who will likely be a stud in a few years, they are even farther from contention than we are. And while it basically hands Texas the division this year, we don’t really have a shot (no offense to FrankCohen’s post) anyway, so good news all around for the A’s
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
Plus, it ticked off both the Angels AND the Yankees!
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Schadenfreude FTW
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
After four years of suck it's all we've got left.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Sorry if this question's been asked,
but am i the only one that thinks Lee is not really as awesome as he has been for the past couple of years?
Cy Young winners don’t tend to bounce around as much as this guy.
"The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" -Al Jourgensen
by easyrichboy on Jul 9, 2010 6:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think he's pretty damn awesome
He was injured, and pitched poorly, one year for CLE, sent to the minors, etc., and this skewed perception on how good he really is. He’s a legit ace.
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dude has been top 6 in WAR the last 3 years, and top 10 in FIP
and by the way, lee has a WAR of 0.4 more than ubaldo jimenez (who the whole word is drooling over this year)… in 5 fewer starts. so id say yeah hes pretty good
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
I don't understand how that works - Jimenez has been other worldly this season. He has 15 wins already.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Lee's FIP is an entire run lower than Jimenez's.
The near 15 K/BB ratio and 5 HR allowed tend to work wonders.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Reasons he keeps bouncing around:
He played for a team (CLE) with no chance of competing in the near future and decided that he was at his most valuable at least year’s deadline.
Then the team he was traded to (PHI) became obsessed with acquiring Halladay, (who, mind you, is not pitching as well as Lee) because they thought he would be easier to sign to an extension.
Upon realizing that they had bloated their payroll too high, they traded him to his next team (SEA), and we all know the story from there.
Cliff Lee is very very good at baseball.
BOTTOM LINE
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by stranahanahan on Jul 9, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, dont understand why the phillies felt the need to upgrade
lee is doing slightly to significant better in every important category
holdin' it down for the bay from upper westside manhattan
Halladay is a better pitcher than Lee, but not significant enough
I understand wanting to get Roy Halladay on a below market deal, and not commit too many years (no way he signs for 3/60 if he tests the free agent market… the Yankees offer double that).
But then, you don’t go spend money on bad relievers and utility/bench players if you decide to trade Lee over 8MM. Which the Phillies did. And, there’s always trading Joe Blanton/dumping Blanton’s salary to clear salary. That’s the dumb part of this deal. And Ruben Amaro has given some ridiculously stupid interviews.
If all 3 players the Phils gave up for Doc turn into starting MLB players, Amaro looks even more awful though.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Journeyman.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You know whats funny
A’s fans over-rate and covet Smoak more than anyone. I think this site alone is responsible for tons of the hype on him. I mean it makes sense, we loved him and thought he was going to be ours. I still dont really understand why people around here think he’s the second coming, give me Barton any day over him, more importantly, give me Montero any day over him. I think the M’s really fucked up here by not taking Montero, who is 20 fucking years old and a catcher, over a 23 year old 1B who isnt having a good year hitting in a hitters paradise.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Well, Montero is a catcher in name only, he's going to position shift to 1B.
But Montero is batting .253/.329/.408/.737 in AAA right now, so its not like he is hitting gangbusters.
It really came down to, it seems, that the Mariners proffered Smoak + 3 other prospects to Montero + Injured Prospect + Prospect, and Smoak has the whole + Defense thing going for him.
It also might be that the M’s did also look at it as taking talent away from a division rival long term as an added bonus. And I would take Smoak over Barton any day.
Montero also doesn't turn 21 until December
I’m not saying he’s the better prospect than Smoak, but he could legit get another season in AAA before he’s moved up…
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by stranahanahan on Jul 10, 2010 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
But Montero is 20.
He can have another 3 years at AAA and then he’d be Smoak’s age. Also 1B = the least important defensive position outside of P. You shouldnt sell that line “he’s a great defensive 1B!” well, ever. You must be able to hit to make that position worthwhile.
I dunno guys, all my non-A’s fan friends say the same thing, Smoak’s just not that great, and they blew it by not taking Montero. You guys make him out to be like Pujols Jr the way you talk about him. Smoak over Barton? Thats completely insane. Barton is your AL walks leader.
Im just trying to look through non-AN glasses here, everyone here over-rates the shit out of Smoak, you all really need to calm down, he’s not that great.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
agree
I see Smoak as a solid 1b but not great. In the M’s ballpark he might not be a 25 homerun guy. As for Montero his bat will be better but unfortunately his defense stinks not anywhere near being a solid catcher in the future but he is young enough to learn firstbase.
At the start of the year, Keith Law ranked
Smoak #9 and Montero #10 on his prospect list for ESPN. (From the Twins offer, Aaron Hicks was ranked #19 and Wilson Ramos #42.)
Kevin Goldstein for Baseball Prospectus ranked Montero #4 and Smoak #17 (Hicks #26, Ramos #65).
Baseball America ranked Montero #4 and Smoak #13 (Hicks #19, Ramos #58).
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We do?
The season after getting drafted he was putting up a .930 OPS in AA and was already promoted to AAA. Baseball America rated him as the #13 best prospect in all of the minors. It’s his rookie year. I’m not surprised he’s hitting poorly. Doesn’t mean he won’t be awesome in the future. Believe this, the M’s got a haul. Smoak is the real deal.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
For sure
But I think what sold the M’s on this deal was the secondary pieces.
They probably saw Smoak and Montero as being pretty even, but saw Texas as willing to give up better “other guys”
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by stranahanahan on Jul 10, 2010 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
When you say "haul"...
… you’re just talking about Smoak, right? I mean, I know Beavan isn’t total flotsam but the other guys they got back seem like organizational soldiers.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Yeah.
Smoak for a half season of Lee is quite the prize.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Exactly
If he is the #13th best prospect, why is everyone acting like he’s a top #3?
Barton is better than him. You cannot make me believe otherwise. This is just pure insanity. I know we love prospects here, but you guys are really overdoing it on this one.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
I think you're reeeaaaally underrating the value of a #13 rated prospect.
Carter, before this season, was #28. That help?
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Not really
Carter wont see the bigs this year, Smoak is in the bigs but struggling, its kind of correct actually. Im not saying Smoak will or wont be a star, but Its very strange to me that tons of people here have him ticketed for next years all star game already. He’s not even close to the Heyward/Posey/Stanton/Santana level of legitimate impending-stardom.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Smoak is putting up a good ISO and a very good walk rate for a 23 year old with barely two years of minor league experience.
He has a .234 BABIP this year but a 24% line drive percentage. All eyeball accounts also confirm that he’s been smoaking balls, but just right at people. Everyone seems to agree that he’s been the textbook definition of getting unlucky. And his xBABIP is ~.310. He’s also very good defensively. I would take him over Barton and Montero in a heartbeat.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The eyeball test says he's decent defensively, but I've only seen him play a few times.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Here's another thing:
Smoak is awful against lefties, dating back to the minors. He’s nowhere near as good as Barton.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Oh for heaven's sake.
Smoak had a grand total of 130 at bats against lefties in the minors. None of his scouting reports have ever indicated that he will struggle against lefties in the future. Honestly, if your only counterargument to everything I just said is a SSS proclamation that “SMOAK IS AWFUL AGAINST LEFTIES!” then you really don’t have much of an argument.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Im only arguing that Barton is the superior player to have.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Nope. Smoak is Barton but with power potential.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
actual mlb success > potential
every time.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Fine, then Smoak is Barton and it's currently 2008.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Fine. Smoak's hit 8 home runs in 70 games.
In ’08 Barton hit 9 home runs but in 140 games.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Montero too
Barton > Montero > Smoak is pretty much how the non-AN world views it, its how I think as well.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
No...
I’m pretty sure it’s the exact opposite. Go on minor league ball ask people’s opinions on that.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, though
We all love Barton (well, I do), but it’s possible a lot of people ‘round these parts underestimate how much Barton gives away via being virtually powerless at a premium power position. Now, I’ll grant that my understanding of the concept is only in it’s nascent stages, but I would be very interested to hear what kind of performance Barton would have to give— within the context of his skill set, so we’re talking on-base and defensive talents— to properly make up for the power outage.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
Two of the big three rankings
put Montero ahead of Smoak (though both are well-rated). The third has Smoak ahead by a single rank. I’d say they’re in the same general category but Montero has an edge.
On the question of whether Barton is preferred to either of them, I don’t know, but if there’s a place besides AN where minor-leaguers are overrated relative to major-leaguers, a blog called Minor League Ball would be my first suspect.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Between Montero and Smoak, whichever you'd prefer depends on whether or not you think Montero would stick at catcher.
If you don’t, like me, you’d go with Smoak. Montero does have the advantage of age but Smoak has a much more advanced bat. And Smoak is better defensively at first.
Either way, I’d take Montero, Smoak over Barton in a heartbeat. Both have vastly more power and upside than Barton. It’s closer between Montero and Barton though as Montero is still young and there’s a chance he’ll bust. Anyways, Montero and Smoak are the type of young players you can build a team around. Barton is very good, and I’m one of his biggest fans on this site, but he isn’t in that league.
As for minor league ball being pro minor league players, I think it’s pretty close to even. There’s quite a few posters who overvalue prospects. There’s also quite a few posters who advocate trading elite prospects for major league rentals every trading deadline. If you don’t trust their opinion on this, you can ask Goldstein, Sickels, Law, or any other prospect expert whether they’d prefer Barton over Montero/Smoak (Sickels actually just had an open question thread). Or you can go to fans of other SBNation sites and ask their opinion. I’m pretty sure the majority of them would take Montero/Smoak over Barton in a heartbeat.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jul 10, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
honestly, anytime I read the word "upside" on AN
I kind of red-flag a player. Barton literally leads the AL in walks right now, that means he’s a good player, no? Smoak might be the next Mark Teixiera, or he might be another Xavier Nady. To me its always weird and a little too risky when pundits on AN act like a mid-level prospect like Smoak is just going to be a superstar.
IMO, guys like Posey, Stanton & Heyward are the true next wave. Smoak might be good, but he’s no lock, just like Carter is like that.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
First Smoak isn't a mid level prospect
second you need to consider that Smoak will be under team control longer. Third I agree that people underestimate the risk of Alex Gordon.
I agree with you ever so slightly since Barton is on pace for a nearly All Star 4 WAR level season. Also I hate 1b prospects as a rule.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 11, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Just to be clear:
You, and others who disagree with PL78, are saying that you would trade Barton for Smoak straight up, or would trade Barton for Montero straight up, but would prefer Smoak. Is that correct?
I don’t think I would pull the trigger on either deal, so I guess that means I agree with PL78.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Yes, I'd trade Barton straight up for either prospect
Barton’s looking more and more like a less-powered John Olerud. I’d like more than that from my 1B.
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by grover on Jul 10, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except Barton was never advertised as anything more than the next Mark Grace.
and he’s living up to that. Maybe if we had an outfield that actually knew how to HR more than once a month Barton’s lack of power wouldnt be an issue.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
he was suppose to tap into his power as he grew.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 11, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean like Sweeeeeneeeeey?????
The A’s need to stop saying crap like this.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by the A's you mean the entire baseball scouting community?
cuz they weren’t the only ones.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 11, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think Z or Cashman would trade them for Barton?
I suppose you can make the argument that Teixeira screws up that analysis, but in a vacuum I think we can be almost positive neither would.
And to be sure, I would trade Barton straight up for either prospect.
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He's a switch hitter with pop who's raked everywhere he's been. One mediocre season at the highest level doesn't change that.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
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In the front office
Craftiness is thy game
The division’s weak
The Angels have peaked
So let’s make a damn move toward the top already
Get us today a power bat
Maybe like Smoak or something
As we could use an offensive upgrade or seven
Please lead us to the pennant
And deliver us from ennui
In the name of the Mulder, the Hudson, and the Barry Zito
Amen
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We want some big bats
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