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Why Not This Year?



I know, I know. We are 8 games back in the AL West, our offense has struggled all year long, our pitching staff has been riddled by injuries, and we just seem to have bad luck. That being said, I see no reason why we can't turn our fortunes around in the second half. Anderson, Braden, and Jackson all return after the All-Star break. Will they all return fully healthy? Nobody knows for sure, but I do think that if they do, we could easily make a run at this division. There are several positive factors that suggest that contention this season is not far-fetched.

First of all, the division leading Texas Rangers are under major financial restrictions. Their dire financial situation was emphasized by their trade for Molina, in which the Giants picked up all of the catcher's salary in return for a pretty good prospect (Maine). I truly doubt the Rangers will be able to afford a big name player, such as Roy Oswalt, in a trade this year. It also doesn't help that the most appealing target on the market, the relatively inexpensive Cliff Lee, is on the M's, who would probably prefer not to trade within the division.

Second, the Angels are stuck in a state of limbo of sorts. Their most obvious need is for a big bat that could fill in for the injured Kendry Morales. However, Mike Napoli, who is currently filling in at 1st, is hitting just well enough (821 OPS) that the Angels might not want to part with big time prospects in return for a bat. Napoli will not be pushed into the DH role, as that is already being assumed by Hideki Matsui, who although greatly underperforming (746 OPS), seems to have that position locked up. Scoscia also seems to prefer Mathis and Wilson over Napoli behind the plate on an everyday basis. So, it seems that there is a good possibility that the Angels will only make a few minor moves this year.

Lastly, the A's do not have many players with good trade value. Unlike past years, like in 2008 when Beane traded both Harden and Blanton, or in 2009, when he traded away Holliday, this Oakland Athletics team lacks a big name who makes such a difference to the team that their removal from the roster means certain doom for the rest of the season. The most obvious trade chips Beane has are Ben Sheets and Coco Crisp. Sheets, however, has underperformed thus far, and as a result, probably possesses little trade value. Even if Beane somehow miraculously convinces another team to send away some decent prospects for him, there is no reason to think that the team will become exponentially worse with his departure. In fact, a guy like Clayton Mortensen or Vin Mazzaro (with both Braden and Anderson coming back into the rotation soon), could be able to easily replace his production. Crisp, on the other hand, probably has even less trade value than Sheets, as he has been unable to stay healthy this year. That, in addition to the facts that Oakland has an option on him for next year, that we have no obvious replacement for him in CF, and that Beane has long adored the speedy outfielder, point to the idea that he probably will not be moved this year.

So A's fans, I think we have a chance. Perhaps I am just writing this as a way to convince myself that we still have hope, or perhaps I actually truly can see us making the playoffs this year. But I do implore you, do not give up hope yet. There is still hope (I think).

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I think we have a chance too.

I never give up hope, just like I’m always expecting a perfect game until the first baserunner, and I always think we’re going to win until the game ends.

It’s a fun way of watching baseball, and I’m excited for the rest of the season.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

that

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jul 6, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the other

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 6, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

trade sweeney

or atleast get him out of the three spot and put zook in there

by Chris Schlitz on Jul 8, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

you forgot the other obvious trade chip

which is Mark Ellis, who may be desired by clubs like the Phillies that need a 2B and are trying to make a run at another postseason. Ellis’ club option for 2011 is still in play so I dunno that he is even considered by Beane as available, but it is possible and the A’s have a serviceable replacement for him already on board in Rosales, who so many here want to see play every day anyway, if only for the energy and excitement he brings to an often moribund and excitement-challenged product so lacking in the entertainment value upon which pro sports relies for the casual fans that make the hay.

That said, I agree we do have a chance to win the division, still. Much of this hinges on the delicate left elbows of Braden and especially Anderson, who anyone would agree is integral at this point to the A’s emerging above the Mediocrity Line anytime soon. The trajectory of this rebuilding was planned for 2011-12 anyway — yes, we as fans have let our expectations and desires for what could be supercede the abilities of the talent we have on the field — but the window is still wide open to contention in 2010, if only because of the issues you mention re: the Rangers and the Angels.

I don’t see Beane doing much at the deadline, unless someone blows his mind with an offer for Crisp or Ellis… Sheets is likely to bring a low-level prospect at best, given his unspectacular performance and lack of ability to show the lights-out sort of results that made his reputation with Milwaukee before his arm fell off and had to be sewn back on. The question gets to be with all this pitching (and the big ifs of whether Braden and Anderson return to contribute consistently), and whether the plethora of young arms we have stockpiled will get us through the 162 at or near the top of the weak West… I think if that happens it will be because we rode with what we had and didn’t make any blockbuster, sell-the-farm-for-a-surer-shot-at-2010 moves on the part of our GM.

This has been a weird year already and seems to be a season, with all the no-hitters and near-no-hitters, to be all about pitching, so I wouldn’t count us out just yet for ‘10… although I’d be a lot more confident if I saw Brett Anderson taking the ball every fifth day for us.

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by emperor nobody on Jul 6, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the fact that we don't have any real trade bait is what will keep us in contention.

If we had something of value, Beane would end up shipping it off, and probably rightly so. As it is, all we need is the usual Rangers wilt and the Angels to get some bad breaks to even out their luck; we’ll hopefully be right there to take advantage.

by LoneStranger on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we have a chance

but the chance is small.

Nevertheless, given that there is so little to be gained from NOT “going for it”, we may as well grasp that chance and go with it. Just as long as we don’t give up anyone we’re counting on for 2011.

I think that means either stand pat or do only marginal trades (I would include trading Sheets in that category), but don’t give up hope on 2010 yet either.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

That depends

Can we play bad enough to get the top pick in next year’s draft? If so, there is something to gain from not “going for it”. If all we’re getting is a higher pick but not an overwhelmingly so, then yeah, nothing really gained (your particular caring for such things and the playoffs, etc. notwithstanding of course).

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by DMOAS on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Not as long as the Mariners remain in the American League.

by HCF from Oakball on Jul 7, 2010 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as your outer rim, force-powered redneck can bullseye womprats at home


the A’s will be fine.

Here’s to the small chances!

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by oaklandSMASH on Jul 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Anderson, Duke and Crisp were healthy all year

We’d be more than viable in the West.

Unfortunately that didn’t happen and we didn’t get Devine or the Wuertz/Ziegler or last year either and that really hurt as well.

A healthy group of Anderson/Cahil/Gio/Braden/Mazzaro/Outman could be formidable in years to come.

Chris Carter is the next Hank Aaron right?

by streetisclosedin08 on Jul 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Adding Brett Anderson to our rotation

Will be the biggest improvement any team in our division makes in any position. Replacing Braden or Mazzaro with BA is like going from a new Toyota to a Ferrari. The new Toyota can get the job done, but the Ferrari is what REALLY will turn heads.

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Cliff Lee

I don’t think the Mariners really care if they trade within the division. Lee’s contract is only through the end of this season. He’s a rental who will almost certainly end up with the Yankees in 2011 regardless. I don’t think Seattle really cares if they have to face him for the rest of this year.

That said, I don’t think Lee ends up with the Angels or Rangers anyway. I think the Twins offer of Ramos + Hicks is still the offer to beat.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

What about Donaldson & Mazzaro for Lee?

I’d almost do that, it would ensure us having the best rotation in baseball….might get us to the line.

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jul 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't be enough

The Twins already reportedly offered Ramos and Hicks. That is much more attractive than Donaldson/Mazzaro. The M’s are looking for at least one top prospect in return for Lee, and rightfully so.

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 6, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is pretty crazy

I dont think we can top that without drastically hurting our future….although 2 draft picks….hmmm

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jul 6, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade for Lee

We are already getting an ace lefty soon (Anderson), plus the price for Lee (especially since the M’s would be trading within the division) would be massive.

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 6, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

A. We don't have anything worth Lee

2. Why would we want Lee? We have a great core of young, developing pitchers who were designed to compete in 2011, 12 and beyond.
d. I don’t want to give anything of value to the seafaring douchebags to the north

"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden

by OptimistPrime on Jul 8, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that Ramos is already MLB ready

and the only reason he isn’t playing is because he’s blocked by Mauer.

And I think Hicks was a first-round pick a few years ago.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 6, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I were the Mariners, I wouldn't care if I traded within the division.

If you’re that bad, why worry about direct competition with the division’s best when you yourself aren’t even close? You need to get to being a winning team first before you can worry what the other winning teams are doing as competition..

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by UncleLeo on Jul 6, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like to think that the A's have a chance too....

but realistically?

The A’s currently have 78 games to play. They need to go 49-29 the remainder of the season to win 90 games, which is pretty much around what it’d take to win the division (probably a little more though). Is this team, with a below average bullpen and offense, good enough to play .600 ball the rest of the way? And we’re not even considering the inconsistencies and injury issues in the rotation.

The Rangers, meanwhile, only have to go 42-38 (basically .500) over their remaining games to win 90 games.

I mean, sure we have a small chance. The A’s can get back into it with a few long winning streaks. But as we’ve seen this year, with this team’s inability to win more than 4 games in a row, I think this team is too mediocre to pull those off.

The real goal of this season should be finishing .500 and having Anderson come back healthy for the rest of the season. That, plus successful cups of coffee for Carter and Taylor in September would be enough for me to deem it a successful season.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I would estimate the chances are better than 25%

that the AL West is won with fewer than 90 wins.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 6, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, we are only a 10 game winning streak away from being in a playoff race

(lol)

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The White Sox did it.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did the Rangers.

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by Nico on Jul 6, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The slegnA didn't win 10 in a row

but they had an insane streak that took them from sub-.500 to playoff contention in a very short period of time.

Let’s make the AL West moar fun.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Jul 8, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

What blows my mind

Is the slugging percentages on our team. You know how many guys we have, with at least 200 ABs, who have SLGs over .400? Three, led by Suzuki’s .420. If you want, we can add Cust’s .408.

That’s just mind-boggling to me. We have no power. Only Seattle and Baltimore slug worse than us in the AL.

I want to believe. But I just can’t see us doing this without any power.

by ORthey on Jul 6, 2010 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

SLG mean regression in 2nd half?

In some ways you look at the total dearth of power and SLG and you go, where is it gonna come from… but then you look at guys like Cust and Kouzmanoff (the latter of which is a traditionally 2nd-half player) and you say, these guys have not yet had a power streak where they go through a few weeks or 10 days of bombs, and everything coming off their bats is going out of the yard. Cust in particular: tempting as it is to sort of write him off as a shell of his former SLG self, you have to think wait a minute, this guy did not instantaneously transform into Wade Boggs overnight in Sacramento… there’s gotta be a streak or two left in his season where he goes jack-happy as in seasons past and his power/SLG numbers regress (in this case progress) more to his traditional mean.

Kouz is harder to read as an NL guy learning the AL style and pitchers, but he is another one who hasn’t yet had the run of HRs he’s historically been good for that get him to his 20 or so for the year. What we have to hope for is that this getting-back to the mean will manifest all at once this year, in the 2nd half when the division will be won or lost by whoever wins or loses it. Combine this with the continuation of Suzuki on to 20-25 HRs that he’s on pace for and we may yet see some more pop from the horses we rode into 2010 on.

The key is the pitchers and esp. Anderson: if he comes back and is more or less himself and can stay out there for more than a week at a time, plus the above SLG-reinvigoration takes place, we have a halfway decent shot at this. If not, forget it this year.

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by emperor nobody on Jul 6, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope for the best for the 2010 A's, but I've already mourned their death as a contender

If they get back in it, then yay, freeroll!

I have assurances from my personal faith healer that the 2011 A’s will have extraordinarily good luck next year, and freakishly few injuries. I hope the club maximizes that possibility with smart moves and a new manager before then.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

sure there's a chance

certainly better this year than in the past couple of years.

by OaklandSi on Jul 6, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Why not this year?

The answer is 7. That’s how many HRs the OF of Sweeney, Davis, Crisp, Gross, Buck, and Jackson have hit…combined.

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by Nico on Jul 6, 2010 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

sweeney has got to go

hes clogging a spot he doesnt hit for power. the only way he would be good out there is if carter was up playing left and hitting 30 something dingers we could deal with this waste of a corner spot. if we put him in center and let him play there his numbers would be fine

by Chris Schlitz on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love the Optimism but...

The A’s record this year against winning teams is 20-33, not including tonight. Maybe next year, though?

by JonL on Jul 6, 2010 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely next year.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 7, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

or we force the Rev to eat his hat.

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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 9, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm much more worried about the Angels than the Rangers

Consider the fact that their 2 best hitters, Guerrero and Hamilton didn’t play full seasons last year and both have tired in the past couple years come August and September, I don’t think they’re much more than a 85 win team.

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by stranahanahan on Jul 6, 2010 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Because the A's suck this year?

and Billy botched the rebuild?

looking at the stats there is almost no reason for optimism. According to BP its a 5.30366% chance thats exactly when you should be throwing in the towel.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2010 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

5% doesn't seem so bad to me.

Certainly better than all the people in this thread saying it’s more like 0%.

I don’t get the “throw in the towel” mentality, though. Even if you think you won’t make the playoffs, it’s not like you stop trying to win. Unless you’re one of those people who is hot to get a higher draft pick.

As for trading, you make a trade if it’s a good deal, and you don’t make it if it’s a bad deal. “Throwing in the towel” has little or nothing to do with this. It’s not like you say, “Ack, we suck! Must give away all our good players now!” as so many people seem to characterize it.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 7, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am one of those people that wants the higher pick

and 5% is terrible odds.

It does change things people like Ben Sheets if he is not going to resign needs to be traded ASAP

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jul 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben Sheets is not that much better than whoever our 6th starter is.

If there is a good offer for him, we should take it regardless of whether we’re “throwing in the towel”. If there are only bad offers for him, we should keep him regardless of whether we’re “throwing in the towel”.

You don’t trade away players just for the sake of trading them. You trade them when it makes your team better.

As for the higher pick, I’d rather have 10 fewer losses this year than pick #5 instead of #12. But we’ve already had that conversation many times.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 7, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with iglew.

There’s lots of consequences associated with trading all your tradeable pieces beyond just throwing away the rest of the season that us armchair GMs sometimes don’t consider.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

5.30366%?!

Oh man. My cutoff was 5.30365%.

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She walks in the sun, to me.

by danmerqury on Jul 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Mine was 5.30365499999999~.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Jul 7, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're such an optimist.

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 7, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Delusional thinking that A's are still in the race

It is nice that as a fan you never give up hope, but there are halucinations involved if you think the A’s are still in the race. They are performing exactly as expected. They had a chance IF everyone stayed healthy, and the line up performed at or exceeded expectations, but the injuries have mounted. Although several have performed at expectations the lineup has no power, and many have not played to the back of their baseball cards.

They are not going to vault past two teams, and at best MAY reach 500, but I would not count on it.

by hokecole on Jul 7, 2010 4:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Delusional is the right word!

Not only a lack of offence talent both at the major league and the AAA level, but, at least to my eyes, an almost complete lack of spark, or enthusiasm on the team. Of course it is lead by our deer-in-the-headlights best-man manager, who doesn’t inspire much enthusiam. Can you only imagine in your dreams what Wash would be doing now to keep the team’s mind in the game.

by robertmelvin on Jul 7, 2010 5:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I like your optimism, and I hope the A's win all of their remaining games.

But my head says they’re not good enough. Even if they were tied with the Rangers right now, I’d give a pretty big edge to the Rangers the rest of the way. It’s a one team race.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 7, 2010 6:10 AM PDT reply actions  

It appears that Billy Beane is mortal after all.

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 7, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

The Thing with Feathers

Some poet said that hope is the thing with feathers, referring to the phoenix, that legendary creature that rises from its own ashes. Our A’s, unfortunately, do not have the feathers (or players, if you will) to do this. We cannot hang our season on the messed up arms of Anderson and the other walking wounded. Seems to me we should, very soon, start playing Carter every day to see what we have. Watson, though a touching story, is well past whatever upside he had. I think we have a real shot beginning summer 2011, but now it’s just hold on and try not to look ridiculous.

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by Buck18 on Jul 7, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Need to show some progress.

I’m not sure if contention is in the cards this season, but this team should be pushed to finish the season at .500 or better. I know that in the end, .500 is just a number and would probably push this team out of a Top-10 draft pick next June, but I think that at some point this organization needs to show the fans and the younger core players need to show themselves that they can win more games than they lose throughout an entire season.

Losing seasons year after year is demoralizing to the fan base and has to be the same way for the players.

An 82-80 season would be considered “successful”, IMHO. Get Anderson and Braden back integrated into the rotation and I’d like to see Barton finish the season with an .800+ OPS line…maybe nice to see Carter come up in September and hit a few bombs as well.

That’s what I’m hoping and expecting from this team.

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Jul 7, 2010 9:35 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this.

It also has an impact on free agent’s perception of your team.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since we're not going to be getting a primo draft pick,

looking like an ascendant winner will be important this offseason.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 7, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen, brother Taj

I think 82-80 is an achievable goal, and I’d like to see the team meet it.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 7, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

Would you rather go 82-80 in 2010, sign a Type A FA and lose your 1st round pick ‘cause it’s no longer protected?

OR

Go 80-82 in 2010, sign a Type A FA and keep your 1st round pick ‘cause it’s protected?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 7, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'd still rather go 82-80,

but you make a good point. That’s a pretty big jump there.

And until the end of the season we won’t really know exactly where the cutoff point is. It would be a better rule if they could figure a way to do some sort of phase out, to avoid moral hazard on the last day where a team might be tempted to throw a game in order to place 16th in the league rather than 15th.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 7, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not this year?

We don’t play the Pirates anymore.

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by travdog6 on Jul 7, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

WE DON'T??????????

Well crap.

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by Nico on Jul 7, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Yankees are in town and you're asking for morality in baseball?!?!

What are you drinking and more importantly… where can I steal some?

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by grover on Jul 7, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

FUCK!!!

Meant as a reply to iglew.

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by grover on Jul 7, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your reply to me is "FUCK!!!"?

(Yeah, I know what you really meant, but it’s not funny that way.)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 8, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

And you should always always ALWAYS go for the funny

Watching Bobby Crosby for 6 years taught me that.

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by grover on Jul 8, 2010 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

IS it time to Blow this team up ?

I know, BLOW up sounds DRASTIC.. But,, this team is going no where fast, and Billy needs to do something to get this team back on a winning track,,, why not shake things up, and press the Restart button and finish the 2nd half on a strong note heading into next year ?
Im tired of aquiring players with a history of being hurt, and always toting the company line by saying " we have a lot of good prospects on the way " .. oh really? when? and will they turn it around anytime soon ? and once here, how long before they are shipped off?
I think its time that Billy step up and sit Mr Wolf down and have a chat about the future of this team, and maybe cracking open the wallet alittle and getting some BIG name players in here, and mixing in the young talent . This Franchise is a joke right now, and this is comming from a A’s fan since 1972…. We are Viewd as a joke around the American leauge right now and I for one am getting tired of that.
This Franchise has a DEEP History of winning, and a Great Baseball Tradition,, we are not the Stinkin GIANTS, or the CUBS who say, lets get them next yr…
We look more like the Fla Marlins, or the PIRATES lately, and its Sad.

Our attendance is the joke of the Amercian league, and its Embarrasing to look and see the numbers, its like an Expansion team, and im sure Mr Wolf is taking notice ( Yes a New Venue would take care of that , but.. hmm when will that happen ?) And Im sure he is begining to ask himself what needs to be done … yes, im sure the Bad Economy is a part of it.. But, putting a Winning team on the field with a Legit shot of going deep in the post season would make a BIG Difference.
So.. is it time to make some DRAMATIC moves in this franchise ? and Get GUTSY ?
Is it time to maybe spend some money, and take a loss in the Profit margin for a while, and take a Gamble and then see if that Gamble pays off ? If so, u only need to look back in the history of this team when our owners were willing to spend the money and make this team into a Dynasty and take a financial loss for a while, cuz in the end, it all paid off .

Please Mr Wolf, Billy, do something to bring this Proud team and its Fans back to the Respect it deserves.

by NBayAthletic on Jul 7, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Reasons to "blow up" the team:

(1) By trading away a bunch of good players who are near the end of their careers (or their contracts) you can damage the team in the short term but help it over the long run, so if you’re in a situation where the short term matters less it can be a good move over all.

(2) Because fans are pissed off as the team falls out of playoff contention, and if you do something drastic to destroy the team it makes a strong statement which all those pissed-off fans can latch on to as a big vicarious “FUCK IT!!!” and then not feel so bad about failure because it’s clear the team isn’t even trying any more.

I don’t think #1 is really applicable for the A’s this year, since we don’t actually have any good players near the end of their careers.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 8, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on what the shakeup is

Firing Geren? That might help lead to a strong second half.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Jul 8, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's a chance, yes, but it isn't augmented by keeping someone like Ben Sheets

who looks like the clearest guy to trade at the deadline. Eat all his salary (we all see what mediocre players get in trade when the selling team eats enough salary—-just look at Mark Kotsay or Casey Blake trades), and let Mortensen/whomever take his spot until Anderson/Braden return.

And, the only guy on the trade market that would really vault the A’s status into contender range would be Cliff Lee, but even that doesn’t make us the favorites to win the division and he’s going to cost a lot (although a lot of the rhetoric is posturization).

I really hope the A’s are active on the waiver wire though, in terms of picking up folks who may have bad contracts, but are clearly poised to rebound. Or Jim Hendry gets stupid and releases Derrek Lee/Aramis Ramirez or dumps them in some other aspect. Very unlikely, but they’re both clear rebound candidates under contract through 2011.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Jul 8, 2010 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

You don't even need Mortensen:

Anderson
Braden
Cahill
Gio
Mazzaro

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmm

Hurt
Hurt
Hurt earlier this year
headcase
not ready yet

SOLD.

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by mikev on Jul 8, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or you could look at it like this:

Ace
Solid
Second Ace
Massive potential; has made huge strides this year
Great stuff, emerging as a solid 3 pitcher.

The optimistic view, as opposed to your pessimistic one

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 8, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

mikev's is much much more realistic

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jul 8, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

But mine's completely accurate

I didn’t say they’d all stay healthy or pitch great, just that it makes sense to go with those 5 in a rebuilding year. If/When one of them goes down, Mortensen comes up.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

but two of them are hurt right now.

It’s not exactly an if/when thing if there are 2 already hurt and one who started the season on the DL.

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by mikev on Jul 9, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Braden and Anderson both figure to pitch in the July 19th-21st series

So by 7/19, that rotation is intact — what happens from there is anyone’s guess, but that’s always the case.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 9, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blow it up. !!! make some Drastic changes please

Can Any one here point out the players on this Current roster that will be apart of the Future and make a Signfigant IMPACT on a Championship Team ? ok.. Anderson? Yes. Cahill ? Yes ! ,, Gio ? Yes ! Mazarro ? hmm maybe…Braden ? pobably… Bailey ? yes. and maybe Pennington…. Who else Stands a Legitimate shot at being something special and making us say,, WOW ..
I think Everyone else is Expendable, and that includes, Sweeny, Davis, CUST FOR SURE, Kuzzzzzzmanoff… Barton? maybe,, and Ellis is most likely gone anyway,, The Rest are all fill in’s who wont be here next yr anyway…. Look at this roster and lets be REAL here, and ask yourself if This team has the starting pieces to make a VERY GOOD team any time soon ….I say,,, NO !!!
And. Who REALLY is going to make a good offer for Sheets ? I dont see it ….
Crisp will prob be dealt, IF he’s Healthy….

So… Where does that leave us ? Billy might as well bring up Taylor and Carter, and any other so called " prospects" and let them get a taste of the BIG Leagues and IF possible, make some GOOD Trades for some “HEALTHY” talent that will be apart of the future.
AND.. make some BOLD moves to aquire some BIG name players , weather that means doing so in the OFF Season, or now, it just needs to be done, otherwise, this team will be like watching the movie " Ground hog Day" , over and Over….

by NBayAthletic on Jul 8, 2010 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Say what you want about the A's, but after the break

a rotation of Sheets, Cahill, Anderson, Gio, Braden (or if Sheets is traded, sub him out for Mazzaro) will give us the best rotation in the division. Cahill’s emergence while Anderson has been gone has been a huge positive, and once the M’s trade Lee, will give us the best 1-2 punch in the AL West

Jack "The Must, Just has no Rust, ain't no Bust, after him the ladies Lust, turns pitchers into Dust, likes his pizza with no Crust" Cust

by FrankCohen on Jul 8, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Say what u want, But.. As an A's Fan, I disagree, here take a look:

Angels :…….
Weaver – - 8 – 4 2.97 ERA 130 k’s
Pinerio — 9 – 6 3.96 ERA 96 k’s

Rangers………
Lewis --8 – 5 3.33 ERA 105 k’s
Wilson——7 – 4 3.24 ERA

Seattle…………
 Lee -- 8 – 3 2.34 ERA
 Hernandez 6 – 5 3.01 ERA 122 k’s

AND….
The A’s……….
Cahill 8 – 3 3.17 ERA
Gio 7 – 6 3.79 ERA 89 k’s

How can u say that the A’s would have the best 1 – 2 punch ,Even After Lee is traded ?
And.. Lee may stay put from all thats being said.
Anderson is NO Gurantee to return, and if he does, how long before they shut him down for the
yr and he has the obvious surgery that he will need ?

I like to be as Positive as anyone , but , Im also a realist and the A’s just cant compete with the stats listed above, and that does not even include the Scary offensive stats of the Angels and
the Rangers.
At this point, Id be happy if they finished above 500, or at 500.

by NBayAthletic on Jul 8, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus Lee could be traded...to the Rangers.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG YER LIKE THAT NOTREDAMUS GUY

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by mikev on Jul 9, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was Irish, right?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay let's see where to start....

First of all, I am talking about a 1-2 of Anderson-Cahill, not Cahill-Gio. Secondly, who says a surgery is inevitable for Anderson? Next, Lee WILL get traded….its inevitable. A 1-2 of Lewis and Wilson is definitely due for a good deal of regression and Wilson is definitely not used to SP innings. That leaves only the Angels rotation as a legit competitor to have the better 1-2 punch in the division….Personally, I like Anderson better than Weaver and Cahill better than Pinerio.

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by FrankCohen on Jul 8, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I think the question of "why not this year" has been thoroughly and succintly answered.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jul 9, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

From 0% to what?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 9, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

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