WHY ONLY CAHILL TO THE ALL-STAR????
by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT
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I personally feel, that GIO has carried this team. And he didnt even get mentioned. Hes pitched over 100 innings, hes had 11 quality starts hes leading in KO'S, ERA, Due to 100 innings not 80. Started the season with the team, also his last 19 innings hes allowed only 1 run. Also cahill gets way more RUN SUPPORT, You pitch alot more comfortble with a couple of runs, Then no runs. Gio averages 2 or less runs per game. I was personally in the pirates game, Where he went to the 7th inning. And bob decided to pull Gio out with 87 pitches allowing 1 run. I personally wasnt a big fan of Gio. But i realized he's TURNED IT AROUND BIG TIME!!! And not even to get mentioned I feel that oakland already had there pick. No commercials, No jerseys, GIO I leave you with my VOTE AS AN ALL-STAR. Thank you for this year, you've been awesome.
And I hope you decide to stay with us. I see you defenetly an ALL-STAR for many years to come.
P.S. Out of the 9 SHOUT OUT games GIO has pitched 4 of them. Its pretty amazing.
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What's a shout out game? Is it some hip new version of a quality start?
I’m seriously asking.
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by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions
Ohhhh, I wasn't even thinking he meant shutout because, well, Gio has 4 shutouts?
Or he pitched in 4 games that ended up shutouts? I see…kinda…
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by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what im talking about.
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Good start, johnfan.
You would probably serve your cause better by comparing Gio’s numbers to those of the pitchers selected for the All-Star Game. You would either 1) see why Gio wasn’t selected or 2) create a valid argument for your point.
Agreed.
Although Gio’s been great, Cahill’s our team leader in ERA. You can’t really compare the fact that Gio has more K’s than Cahill—they’re two different kinds of pitcher.
Have you ever stopped to think that Geren pulled Gio because he felt as if he was being over-pitched?
Ugh, look at me, agreeing with Geren. Someone, shoot me.
by spottedstomper on Jul 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Geren probably pulled Gio
because he had walked four batters, just gave up a homerun to Milledge because he had gone 3-1 and didn’t want to walk any more and had only gotten 2 swinging strikes all night.
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by King Richard on Jul 6, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Appreciate that.
I feel much better now that there’s a logical reason behind that..I just remember working and listening to the game on the radio, I thought I was losing my mind there!
by spottedstomper on Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Gio pitched 6 scoreless innings, and he gives up one run in the 7th inning. And bob takes him out with 87 pitches. Somethings not right.
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
what’s not right is that you didn’t read my comment which you responded to which lists the reasons why Gio was pulled.
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by King Richard on Jul 6, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Over pitched? 87 pitches, Bob allows 100 pitches per SP. You didnt know that? Are you even a oakland fan. Every A’s fan knows this.
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Uhm..
Over-pitched can take on a variety of forms; if a pitcher appears tired based on previous starts, pitching on short rest, just appearing tired based on poor performance; a variety of factors.
Thanks for your time though.
by spottedstomper on Jul 6, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
What short rest he’s a 5 day starter what are you talking about? lol
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigh..
I was just illustrating examples in which why a pitcher might be pulled too soon. The exact reason was given in a post above, so that explains this specific start you’re lamenting over.
Pitchers getting tired during starts happens a’s well..let’s say a pitcher labors through an inning, throwing 30-40 pitches, then is forced to throw after a quick 1-2-3 inning, their arm is going to feel like rubber.
Obviously I wasn’t paying enough attention to the game in question, all I’m doing is providing examples, calm down.
by spottedstomper on Jul 6, 2010 11:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The topic is about gio and cahill not the all-star team lol
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, the post is titled "WHY ONLY CAHILL TO THE ALL-STAR????"
How is this not about the All Star Team?
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by gigglingone on Jul 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He said "ALL-STAR" not "ALL-STAR TEAM"
Moran.
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by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was
johnfan72 +/- 1.
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Just to play devil's advocate
Cahill has pretty much dominated 8 of his last 10 starts. Run support or not, Cahill has earned wins. On the flip side of that, Gio has been pretty consistent and he has matured so much this year. I’m happy to see it!
Your right cahill did beat baltimore and pittsburgh a couple of times lol come on man. Who has cahill beat seriously????
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
in order - TEX, SF, BAL, DET, LAA, CHC, PIT, BAL
plus he only gave up 2 ER to texas the next game but got a ND and then he gave up 3 runs to LAA and took the “loss”. 3 ER given up against MIN but got ND, and 2 ER against STL but got a ND. He has only given up more than 3 ER in a game twice, in his 1st start against TOR and 4 ER in the win against CHC.
p.s. you can edit your fanpost to fix spelling errors.
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I don’t remember you in that Pirates game?
But yea, I figured GIO would get the nod.
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by thejd44 on Jul 6, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You would remember me in the pirates game?
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Were you a late inning sub or one of Geren's elusive double switches???
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by stranahanahan on Jul 6, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
because we suck.
Your third place Oakland A's.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
yeah
I doubt they’d even have one if it weren’t for the Little League rule that requires one All-Star per team. But even when the A’s were really good, they were usually under-represented in the game. It’s still amazing to me that Chavez was never an All-Star.
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You guys are missing my point, Im not saying that cahill doesnt deserve it. cahill has been getting the vote since last month. and when gio was 6-3 he still wasnt mention. Cahill didnt even start the season, Gio beat him for the starting position in the beginning of the season. Cahill started in april. Gio has been in it from the beginning, and he doesnt get mentioned? I think everybody deserves there shot, I wasnt a fan of gio last year, But this year he’s been Outstanding.
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Hopefully this won't come off as rude.
But everyone would take you more seriously if you wrote in complete sentences and resisted the urge to press caps lock. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way.
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by EastCoastA on Jul 6, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Its funny how some of you, talk about my writting. When you have nothing else to say.
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by johnfan71-73 on Jul 6, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
We have plenty to say.
But usually we’d just rather talk about grammar.
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Yeah, pretty much.
Grammar and group sex are the main topics of discussion now that the A’s aren’t contending.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Groups of two, yes.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
And why Gio should be an All Star. Of course.
No one in this thread has mentioned how dreamy he is. I just want him to be mentioned! Just a little acknowledgment of his prettiness! That’s all I ask.
I'll go ahead and call Girardi.
Press conference tomorrow at 10 AM? On the prettiness of a certain Mr. Gonzalez?
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Well it's very poorly written John
but hey I’m sure you’re making friends by being rude in the comments section….Great first post buddy!
it's funny how you say Gio beat out Cahill when Cahill started the year on the DL.
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I don't have anything else to say
Because if you’re not willing to put in the time to make your comments readable, I’m not going to put in the time to try and decipher them.
On the interwebs, your appearance is based solely on how you write. And your writing suggests that you’re some combination of young, stupid and/or lazy. Because otherwise you’d clearly bother to put in the extra 5 seconds to spell check and use paragraphs, right? Explain why people should bother reading your fanposts and comments?
Why is Gio not considered?
Because he’s ranked 18th in ERA among qualified pitchers and he doesn’t have an insane winning percentage.
These are the stats that managers and players most likely reference before they vote.
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by stranahanahan on Jul 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It all comes down to the numbers.
Why Cahill? He’s got the numbers… 8-2.
Why only Cahill? Oakland doesn’t have the numbers… their number is 1 (as in number of reps “allowed”). They also lack the nationwide television ratings numbers.
Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.
Cahill and Bailey are the only ones who deserve it IMO
Gio, no way.
Even though it’s an exhibition game, he would probably walk the bases loaded.
Yeah, Gio has that potential,
but he’s not there yet. Almost, maybe. But not this year.
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AGAIN, For the last time Im not saying that these guys dont deserve to go. Suzuki, Bailey, Cahill, Even Sweeney with 1 HOMERUN. But Gio has pitched 104 innings while Cahill has pitched 79 innings with a 6.0 run support and Gio has a 1.0 run support. And for that comment that gio would walk the bases loaded in the all-star. He probaly get out with no runs. Cahill 3 HOMERUNS NO WALKS. Not even mentioned as a ALL-STAR.
Bob geren has been selling this kid since last month.
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Here's another bottom line for you
Cahill has been their best, most consistent pitcher over that past month or two.
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You have a good point, your delivery is just annoying some people
Gio has 4 more starts than Trevor.
Gio has a better K/9, HR/9, LOB%, HR/FB, FIP, RAR and WAR than Cahill.
Cahill has a better BB/9, GB%, ERA, xFIP, LD%, and of course more wins.
Gio has pitched against teams they have been under .500 for most of the season 7 times (twice against SEA and CLE, once against BAL, CHC, and PIT) and has faced .500 teams 3 times (twice against SFG and once against TOR). Against those teams he is 5-2 and given up 22 runs (2.2 runs per game)
Cahill has pitched against teams they have been under .500 for most of the season 4 times (twice against BAL, once against CHC and PIT) and has faced .500 teams 2 times (once against TOR and SFG). Against those teams he is 5-1 (2.166 runs per game).
I’m not an expert on evaluating those numbers, I’m just posting them.
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oops
edits.
Gio has pitched against teams they have been under .500 for most of the season 8 times (twice against SEA and CLE, once against BAL, CHC, and PIT) and has faced .500 teams 3 times (twice against SFG and once against TOR). Against those teams he is 5-2 and given up 22 runs (2.75 runs per game)
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oops again (maybe I shouldn't have bothered)
should be 2 runs per game, I forgot to count the 3 games against .500 teams.
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Yea GIO is really soft, He beat the toronto blue jays 8 KO’S. Came back home and beat the reds 9 KO’S. those teams are HR BOUND. They are the best HR hitting team in the AL this year. And the reds best HR leading team in NL. With nothing to show for it, 7 scoreless innings.
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Let me try to answer your question:
NOT EVERYONE CAN GO AND BOTH CAHILL AND GIO APPEAR TO BE MARGINALLY AND PERHAPS EQUALLY DESERVING BUT CLEARLY NOT EVERY MARGINALLY DESERVING PLAYER CAN GO ESPECIALLY FROM A TEAM THAT IS ONLY GOING TO SEND ONE REP AND FOR THAT MATTER LOOK AT JOEY VOTTO HE TOTALLY DESERVES TO GO AND DIDN’T.
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no one is saying that Gio is a bad pitcher
just that Cahill has been very good as well and has the kind of stats that is looked for in All-Stars.
I was just supplying you with facts.
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There’s no reason why Gio Gonzalez deserves to be an All-Star. He’s been pretty solid, but “pretty solid” doesn’t make you an All-Star. He’s very inconsistent. He has a 4.19 BB/9 rate and his ERA and WHIP numbers are good and not great. Gonzalez has a better FIP because he’s a strikeout pitcher and not a ground ball pitcher. Gonzalez has a better WAR because he has made 17 starts (103 IP) and Cahill has made 13 starts (82 IP). Cahill has been marvelous in all 12 of his last 13 starts particularly with a 2.25 ERA and 0.99 WHIP.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT?!? you DON'T get it RRS.....bob is SELLING poor Gio and I know
because I was IN the pirates GAME….BOTTOM LINE!
gee JOHN I don't KNOW you're the ONE who said bob GEREN has been SELLING
him SINCE last MONTH….BOTTOM LINE!
umm... my old friend from Los Angeles showed up, and, umm...
I think she just snorted the BOTTOM LINE.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Gio v.s. the pirates had 14 groundballs 2 ko’s. he’s showing me he can change. he can be a groundout pitcher, plus a strike out pitcher when he needs to be.
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This isn’t about Cahill being better than Gonzalez because he gets ground ball outs. Does Gonzalez have a 2.25 ERA and 0.99 WHIP in his last 12 starts with a 2.7 BB/9 rate? Is he 7-0 in his last nine starts with a 2.12 ERA? Gonzalez ranks 17th in ERA in the American League and he’s 29th in WHIP. He’s tied for the league lead in walks.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree TOTALLY with you, NICO. joey votto hands down. And im satisfied with cahill representing the oakland A’s. Where im unhappy is where the oakland a’s didnt even mentioned gio. Im sure Joey votto was mentioned, he just didnt get selected.
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Gonzalez is 17th in ERA, 29th in WHIP and he leads the league in walks. Why should he even get mentioned? Other than Cahill, the only others on this team with a chance in hell were Suzuki and Bailey.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So then your beef isn't that Gio was passed up,
but that the A’s didn’t complain? Maybe they realize that leading the league in walks makes you an All-Star if you’re a hitter, not if you’re a pitcher. Actually, I take that back: Why aren’t you moaning about Daric Barton not being selected or mentioned?
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The team is missing Jered Weaver, Francisco Liriano, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander...
not to mention some less deserving but more accomplished guys like Zack Greinke, Andy Pettitte, Gavin Floyd and John Danks. Gio is pretty far down the snubbed pitcher list.
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
Who needs to "mention" Gio Gonzalez for you to be satisfied?
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
I guess they do in a sense
by picking their positional candidates for the ballot during the spring. Maybe that’s what he means by Chavez being “mentioned?”
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
See your taking it the wrong way. were suppose to support our players not bash them. Im sorry you feel this way.
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I'm not bashing anyone
I just being realistic about how our players stack up against the rest of the league.
Were Geren and the A’s supposed to pimp their players for the All-Star game whenever they have a microphone in their faces? The All-Star voting spree is front and center on every team’s website, and every team encourages their fans to vote for their players.
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
We're "suppose" to write in proper English, too
Embrace the apostrophe, it is your friend
So you tell people they aren't an A's fan
because they “don’t know” something that you just made up (“Bob allows 100 pitches per SP. You didnt know that? Are you even a oakland fan. Every A’s fan knows this.”), but when someone suggests that you are being obnoxious by not engaging in a civil discussion you “feel bashed”?
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU WERE WILLING TO EITHER TAKE WHAT YOU DISH OUT, OR TRY TO BE MORE CIVIL IN YOUR WRITING. ALSO PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR, AND SPELLING ALL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY.
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Were Stone Cold’s jorts always that disturbingly short? I guess I was too swept up in Austinmania to realize he looked more Castro than Texas.
by yo on Jul 7, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's the way he's standing there
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by thejd44 on Jul 7, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling...
That BOTTOM LINE! will become an AN meme.
Oh the shame….
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 6, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats a great comment daric should be mentioned. isnt his face in a all-star vote on the A’s website.the fans didnt vote for him. I understand gio needs to work on his walks. but ive heard you mention he gets squezzed alot. BOTTOM LINE its all about winning . 1 run in 19 innings, and walks didnt effect his outing.
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well
There are several ways to approach this question. That’s mostly because it is badly conveyed to a laughable extent. Why only Cahill? Because the A’s are a small market team without a large enough or passionate enough fanbase to stuff the ballot box in our favor, (even if we have more than one deserving player…which we probably don’t).
Why Cahill instead of Gio? Because, despite Gio’s strides, his peripherals are in the neighborhood of league average. 1.311 WHIP? Pedestrian. He leads the league in walks. Read that again. He leads the fucking league in walks. That isn’t “good”. He doesn’t really have all that many strikeouts. In addition, the fact that he has been involved in so many shutouts should imply that his overall numbers are better than they actually are. Instead, his totals indicate that he is inconsistent and (still) prone to mental incontinence. He emotionally shits the bed when the game starts to go poorly for him. Cahill no longer does, evidently.
Why aren’t Cahill and Gio and Suzuki and Bailey and Breslow there? Because you have to have room for at least 10 Yankees and Red Sox combined. It’s in the rules. Look it up.
Look: I like Gio. I thought he would have a breakout season this year and even though he has fallen slightly short thus far, he is solid. Love his curveball. But he needs to grow up and needs to throw more strikes before he can be considered anything approaching an All-Star.
Cahill also makes it because he has pretty W-L and ERA numbers, Like it or not, those things are sexy in the context of ASG selection procedures.
In summation, I realize that this post merely reiterates what many have said above but your reasoning is essentially unreasonable and not at all well thought out. If your intention was to incite debate, then kudos to you. However, if your aim was to share a rational and compelling argument that was both thought provoking and academically correct, then you fucked up. That you seem adamant about being a prick in your responses only underscores the degree to which you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
Good day, sir.
by Axl on Jul 6, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
shits in his pants? lol he’s got 7 wins in the 1st half of the season.How many wins does he have to have for being considered a decent pitcher? 35 wins? plus era 3.50 who cares about the walks. As long as his ERA is down, and wins and shuts out teams. Thats what matters.
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Walks kind of do matter
Because people who walk a lot of batters throw more pitches in fewer innings and it forces the bullpen to be used more.
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How many wins does he have to have for being considered a decent pitcher?
He is a decent pitcher, but he’s not an All-Star pitcher. Do you realize what you’re saying?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 6, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, not every comment in here needs a response from you.
Sometimes we’re not arguing for or against your point, like my QOTM above.
I’m curious, so question: How old are you?
Yeah he shited in his pants last year in NYC. the only pitcher that WON! 1st hit was a bunt. 2. i feel like your taking this personally if your Cahill’s family I APPOLOGIZE! I wont bring it up again.
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See that "reply" next to the plus sign next to your username?
Use it. Love it. If you have to look at last year to bolster your argument as to why he should be an All-Star this year, then you’ve already lost. I have no idea where you live, but it’s probably a beautiful day outside.
by Axl on Jul 6, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The debate is not between you and me. If gio would of won the last 2 games, The REDS and PIRATES. No runs v.s. the Reds and 1 run v.s. the Pirates, he would of been 9-5, would he been mentioned an all-star. Not to be selected but just mentioned?
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please refrain from discussing pitcher W-L on AN
its the most meaningless individual stat in all of sports, as it relies on literally the entire team (scoring runs, defense, management, relief pitching, etc etc) they shouldnt even keep records of it anymore. I cant think of a worse way to rate a player.
For example: “Derek Lowe and Roy Halladay are both going for their 10th win tonight” see? utterly pointless.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
What a noob
John Kruk told me that wins matter for a pitcher, so obviously it must be true DUH
Team wins != pitcher wins
so although every pitcher win = a team win, since half of the equation isn’t under the pitcher’s control, I prefer “Halladay is trying to help his team win it’s Xth game tonight”.
I don’t think PL78 is suggesting that team wins don’t matter, or that a pitcher win doesn’t mean the team won, just that it’s probably not a goo measurement of the quality of the pitcher.
No, wins are not the best indicator of individual performance, but...
…neither are they “utterly pointless”. And if a pitcher’s goal is an individual win to help in his next contract negotiations, so be it. The team still wins, also.
Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.
I guess I agree
that if a pitcher gets a “win” it’s going to be good for the team, but I’m guessing that most pitchers are in fact trying to do specific things: strike batters out, keep the ball on the ground, don’t walk batters, and see the “win” as the reward for doing those things, as opposed to trying to “win” in some abstract manner, but I can accept that some people use “win” as a short-hand for that.
no, but wins are a very misleading way to determine a pitcher's ability
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
WINS. ARE. A. TEAM. STATISTIC.
Why not give out wins for second basemen? Oh no we cant do that, but we can do it for the guy who pitches 5 innings or the other guy who made the last out before the hitters gave the team the lead.
ITS SO IRRATIONAL!!!! ARGHHHHH MY BRAIN HATES IT SOOOOO MUCH!!!!
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Cliff Pennington has the same WAR as Elvis Andrus.
Andrus is on the team, Cliff is not.
Gio & Braden have a higher WAR than Cahill, but in less games.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Unfortunately we're still light years away from people picking All-Stars based on WAR
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
Id say about 3-5 years, realistically.
OPS is now being used on ESPN. If you just sell it as a “one stop shop” stat that gives a player a number based off his entire gameplay, then when you put it like that, it wont be hard for the mass populace to take it on.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
I'm still a bit worried that because WAR is not a specific statistic, rather, it's a conversion method for other statistics,
it may take longer for mainstream adoption than it would otherwise. WAR could be wOBA/FIP/UZR based, or OPS/tRA/RZR based, or anything you want, really.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Agreed
I really wish we had an easy way to rate defense. WAR’s defense only matters over 3 years, but we count it during the year as a regular counting stat. There’s tons of variation year by year.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
That is not unfortunate
Picking the All-Star team based on WAR would piss me off even more than this dumb fan voting scheme.
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AGAIN, Cliff pennington was mention even eric chavez was mention, and he didnt even play.The fans me included did not vote for them. but he was mentioned.
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Nobody talked about Chavez as a legitimate All-Star possibility this year. Nobody.
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Chavez was mentioned because he was our opening day DH
When the ballots go out, the MLB people look at who has gotten the most starts for each team at what position. Chavez, at that time (what, like 3 weeks into the season or something?) had the most starts at DH, therefore he was the Oakland As DH. The fans don’t vote for pitchers (the coach picks them) so there wasn’t a reason for the As to put a “Gio for All-Star” banner anywhere.
There were times early on when I think the banners did say “Vote Chavy and his friends to the ASG” or something like that because the As didn’t have a breakout player, and Chavez was still the most recognizable position player in the lineup to the masses. So if you’re wondering why the As never “mentioned” him, its because the fans don’t vote for pitchers.
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 6, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That's all a different situation, then
Aside from the fact fans don’t vote for pitchers, of course. But teams generally promote all their All-Star candidates in one form or another, whether they have a real chance or not.
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Lies, damed lies, and statist-
oh wait, no statistics. Anyway: lies.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
Gio, is that you?
Stop posting on AN and go throw a bullpen session!
That's not Gio
But I’m actually Brett Anderson and will demonstrate it:
Sunny day out, gunna go drink a glass of water.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
no that's waaaaay too many words for a tweet from Anderson.
you’re NOT Brett!
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Lucky to have one...
We should be happy to be represented at all…
OR should we feel somewhat patronized? Seems to be a little bit of a hollow honor to be the lone representative when said representation is based largely on the one player per team rule. Maybe it would put a little pressure on our front office to acquire a higher caliber of talent if the A’s (or any other team) went “5 years without an all-star.”
Gio doesn’t belong in the conversation, Cahill is a stretch if not for the current rules. I look forward to having a player dominate the league to the point where he is a no-brainer selection… I am TIRED of “who will be our marginal representative just because we have to have one.”
Maybe a better discussion would be who the next one to fall into that category may be?
YOU know what your right, GEREN got selected what a joke, not ron washington a guy that deserves to go this year.
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again... that's twice in one thread...
one more time and somebody’s gonna have to go to NA
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Clapton's version sucks.
JJ Cale FTW.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
This
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 6, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one thing that Geren inhales when he's down
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 6, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It takes a big mortar and pestle, and a powerful drying oven
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 7, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
you are = you're
GET IT???
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Here's the real BOTTOM LINE
It’s an EXHIBITION GAME. WHO CARES
Duke is a two-time all-star. A whole lotta good that’s doing him right now, huh?
If Jered Weaver isn't on the team right now ...
I’m not to complain if Gio isn’t. Weaver’s had a better year, and isn’t on it.
One more funny note.
Gio has actually only pitched in three shutouts, regardless of where the score was when he left.
In non-shutout games, his WHIP is upwards of 1.4 (essentially below average).
Just another way to illustrate that, though he has flashes of brilliance, he just hasn’t put it together yet to the point where he always has his best stuff/composure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he earned a spot some time in his career, but that time is not now.
Somewhat unrelated:
Domo arigato, vote Joey Votto.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
last night on MLB
whenever Dave Valle said “Votto” he sounded like Robert Duvall in “Colors”
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
Mentioned by fucking WHO?
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
well he's been mentioned HERE a whole bunch of times!!
but you’re right. I am not sure who should be doing all this mentioning.
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
Maybe you should nominate yourself
for Official Mentioner, Berry Jo. Titles are fun!
I think there are other more deserving candidates than me - kind of like our players that didn't get mentioned.
BOTTOM LINE.
(Sorry – just had to find a way to get that in).
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
I just wanted you to get mentioned
Berry Jo. That’s the important part, getting mentioned. Heck, even 67M might get mentioned as official mentioner.
BOTTOM LINE!
Remember that one game against Minnesota last year?
Yeah… THAT game? Gio has certainly come a long way….
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
After the minnesota game which no decent coach would of left him out there for 11 runs. He took it like a man, went to YANKEE STADIUM no-hit the yankees for 5 innings oh and he won the game, went to boston left it winning. That doesnt count for him, he’s is still a lousy pitcher. In the fans eyes, wow! And this year he beat MINNESOTA so i think uhhhh its all forgiven.
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I just said he has come a long way.
So stop being a git by assuming everyone is attacking either you or Gio. I love Gio. You’re not doing him any favors. (p.s. There’s a reply function. Use it)
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
besides gio being my favorite pitcher, how bout breslow not being mentioned, and THE KOUZ MAN.
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CUZ STONE COLD SEZ SO!!!!
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
and Sweeney, right?
Can you please explain WTF “mentioned” means? I mean, it seems like all you want is for Geren to say “Player X is having an All-Star type season.” Is that it? Is that the bottom line?
All walks and no homers makes Jack a dull DH.
because neither deserves to be on the All-Star team
it is fine to be a fan and like your teams players but you take it way too far.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
I totally think Kouz
is one of the top 30 3Bmen on the continent right now.
I think some teams have a backup
so I would guess there are like 35 MLB 3Bmen right now, something like that.
You WERE the bottom line
unfortunately, only when comments are closed will we know who actually has the
BOTTOM LINE!
The what?
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
It's an important new meme
It’s so hard to keep up around here.
BOTTOM LINE!
THIS IS TEH BOTTOM LINE!
any posts below this are figments of an overactive imagination
REPLY!
Quip.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
{bottom line}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
BOTTOM LINE
am i doing it right?
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by Rebuilding Season on Jul 6, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross Gload is so clutch
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The space for the note "F" in the treble clef?
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I think somebody's playing Turmoil.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 7, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, johnfan71-73. And everyone, really, for their contributions.
This was really fun.
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