The Ben Sheets era, has ended? WLD 7/24/10 as well
Ben Sheets has been put on the DL, with an elbow injury, and it doesn't sound good.
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This helps explain Beane's lack of interest in actively selling him
Didn’t want to deal in damaged goods.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I hope it's not the end of the era...
Because I’m still holding out hope we can sign him for a few years at a good price. Call me an optimist on his eventual recovery, but I think this injury could help keep his value down so we can resign him again. Maybe 1 year again at $8M instead of $10M, maybe something like 2/$15M with some sort of option on the 3rd year? I think he was a good gamble this year, and I think he’ll continue to be a good gamble over the next few years.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
So you want to add Sheets to the mix
that already includes Anderson, Cahill, Gio, Braden, Mazzaro, Outman & Mortensen?
Id rather re-sign Duke and make him a reliever/spot starter again.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
No Duke or Sheets.
We need someone reliable. Sure they are good when healthy but they can’t even play a whole season.
by Seb on Jul 24, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely would add him if it was reasonable
Outman is still injured. Mortenson is still pretty bad. Braden and/or Anderson are injury risks. That leaves Cahill and Gio as our only reliable starters. Adding a veteran like Sheets would be great for the A’s.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Mortenson seems to have taken a step forward this year
I’d feel comfortable with him competing for the 5th SP job next year.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Competing, sure.
Anyone who wants to take a shot is welcome to it. But I don’t know that he’d beat Sheets to it.
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Jul 24, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I absolutely would
Of course you know you can never get too much SP, and healthy Ben Sheets is in a class above most of those names. Additionally, you still get the chance of trade value/surplus in a situation where the money that would go towards him (like this year) wouldn’t really be needed elsewhere. He’s just a good guy to have around the clubhouse, he could well be a big part of the reason why a lot of the young guys have taken a huge step forward. It’s just analogous to this year, if he’s great, then you’ve gotten excellent value for your money and added a BIG asset, if he sucks you just eat the contract. I think the reward potential outweighs the risk potential in a major way.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
Sheets are a '10 Duke contract I could be for
But that depends whether this is a 15-day DL thing (unlikely)… if it ends up being the entire season then I’m not sure, minor league deal with incentives perhaps
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
Yeah.
Anderson and Outman worry me with the injuries. I’m still kind of scared that Gio’s success this season is a fluke, and he doesn’t settle down well in tough spots. Braden is good but not great. Mazzaro has been a real blessing, but he certainly hasn’t proven himself. And Mortensen is still a AAA pitcher. I like Sheets in that mix, especially if he can be had for cheap. And maybe it’s all just PR mumbo-jumbo, but I like the idea of him as a leader for an extremely young rotation.
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Jul 24, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Bringing Sheets back sounds pretty good
Duke, too, if you can sign him to a really light minor league contract with incentives.
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
It's not really a gamble
Sheets bein injured each year of any multiple year commitment going forward is a mortal lock. He’s missed significant time due to injury every year since 2004 (except ’08, I guess, though it presaged his single longest injury stint).
I agree the A’s should sign another veteran pitcher, I just don’t see why it should be a guy that’s unlikely to pitch a lot.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 25, 2010 11:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A's medical staff, WTF?
“…it’s been so up and down the last two weeks. Up and down the whole year, really.”
Really? Everyone said you seemed to be pitching better. Were you trying to showcase yourself for a trade, so you pitched through the pain in your surgically repaired elbow? Did the A’s want to showcase you and pressure you to pitch? Did you feel motivated by the (cough…cough) pennant race?
Or did the A’s medical staff examine you and say you were OK to play?
What is going on here? What is the problem with all the injuries? This “deviation from the norm” regarding injuries is now beyond both bad luck or random chance. There is something wrong in the system when both Coco “Snap Crackle and Pop” Crisp and Ben “We all knew he would end up in a hospital between the” Sheets end up spending significant time on the DL – albeit Sheets’ time is assumptive. Why continue to bring in these gambles? If they are all that is left on the table, say no thank you and bring up some of the youngsters from AAA. But wait, they’re getting hurt too! Is this problem systemic? Is my perception somehow skewed?
When I was young and relatively fit, I had a young doctor in SF, who was right out of his internship. Any time I complained about anything, he followed it up assiduously. I had heartburn, he scheduled a colonoscopy. My knee hurt, MRI. You get the idea. It annoyed the hell out of me then ’cause I was young and still made of rubber and invincible and immortal. So I avoided seeing him and never complained, even though I had some real problems. I lived with my troubles rather than risk another (shudder) colonoscopy.
Then I changed jobs and insurance plans and had a doctor at the other end of the spectrum. He was older, fatter and smelled like my grandpa. He was of the, “Wait and see” school of thought. He kinda made me feel like I was a sissy for complaining about anything. Even when I had really bad problems. So I lived with them. I thought I would love this doctor, but I ended up having to make a pest of myself to get real treatment.
Both doctors were highly regarded. Both were chairs of medical boards and groups, and had headed up award winning programs. Seriously. Anyone who looked at either doc’s CV would be impressed. But the first one was the best doctor I ever had, but because he couldn’t communicate well I became an unresponsive and brittle patient. The second was a not so good doctor, but I loved talking to him and could never get mad at him.
I think the A’s might have one or both of these problems. In the past when asked about this issue, Billy Beane will say something like, “We have highly qualified doctors who are well respected in their field.” I am sure this is true, but I know “highly qualified” can mean anything. The proof is in the pudding. And what we have here, is some pretty rancid pudding.
All the questionable practices – not putting players on the DL when they are clearly hurt, acquiring DL ready players, rushing players back from rehab, botching treatment, misdiagnosing injuries – are reasons to have little confidence in the current medical staff. The Players Association should be interested. A’s management must approve of these practices, or at least give tacit approval to the medical staff.
If it is true that folks from the A’s read these posts, I hope they read this. I know the injury reporting rules changed a few years back and that has perhaps created an inefficiency that can be exploited by use of the DL and AAA rehab time. But it ain’t working. Other than some kind of organizational bias toward lenient medical attention, or strategy that I cannot see, I think you have to assume incompetence. You need to evaluate the medical staff honestly, possibly using an outside company. You may need a full housecleaning. You may need to spend more money in the department, I don’t know.
But as everyone knows, the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same action and expecting a different result. You simply can’t keep going along like nothing’s wrong.
Asked if he'd even thrown a no-hitter before at any level, Braden said, "In Little League, I had a couple under my belt. And in the bullpen, I'm damn near perfect every day."
by fridaynightfan on Jul 24, 2010 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Both doctors were highly regarded. Both were chairs of medical boards and groups, and had headed up award winning programs. Seriously. Anyone who looked at either doc’s CV would be impressed. But the first one was the best doctor I ever had, but because he couldn’t communicate well I became an unresponsive and brittle patient. The second was a not so good doctor, but I loved talking to him and could never get mad at him. I think the A’s might have one or both of these problems.
I don’t think we have either problem. I think the A’s have mediocre doctors who shouldn’t be involved with keeping the key components in a multi-million-dollar business in working order.
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Jul 24, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same frustration here
but you put it into words much better than I could have
What were we going to get anyway?
It’s not like he was going to fetch much in return. We already have enough Cedric Blower/Gabe Gross/OFs named Matt than we need.
by HCF from Oakball on Jul 24, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping for another Tyler Ladendorf. We still need more of those.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fiddlesticks
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
The Ben Sheets era
Actually, I think this turn of events extends the Ben Sheets era.
If he were healthy, I think he’d be getting traded right about now. As it is, we probably have him back before the end of the season, and while we still probably won’t sign him for another year, that’s slightly more likely now than it was before.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
This is not good news.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If He's done for the season
then it’s all on him. Pitching for weeks with swelling in his elbow and not doing anything about it is a familiar theme for pitchers on our club and others and he has no one to blame but himself if he needs surgery again.
Jayson Werth
Apparently the Phillies want a MLB ready starter in return. Do we have one of those lying around? Crap, i guess not. Dang he would have been a timely pickup in the “days of old” when Beane was the foot rubbin masta’!
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Phillies want to trade Werth for prospects to flip for Oswalt or Haren
We are not the team to deal for Werth since he’d only be a half season rental.
But, we could still try being that third team in a Haren and/or Oswalt trade to try to turn some of our pitchers into hitters.
Can Dan Haren make a start in Oakland as part of the three way trade?
yknow, just for old times’ sake
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco
If I'm understanding Zonis right,
that would have to be a four-way.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
It could still be a 3-way
The part that sent Haren to the Phillies would just be delayed to give him a single start in Oakland for Nostalgia.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
almost a good thing.
mazzaro has been a god damn beast lately. im so proud of this guy. i think a lot of people were about to give up on him. mentally, he is a much different pitcher than what we were used to seeing.
Can we trade him now then? I still think he's a 4th starter at best.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 25, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
After Anderson, Cahill and Gio I would settle for Mazzaro as our 4th pitcher. That is a good top 4.
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Damn
no new shiny prospects :(
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Glenn Dicket
is really smoking some heavy crack. I might be a standalone fanpost on this, but am afraid this will further spark the oakland vs. sj controversy.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Sheesh
i really need to proofread before i post. I meant i might make a standalone fanpost on his “opinion” .
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Jul 25, 2010 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Chronicle needs to proofread, too.
“Braden was embarrassed and disavowed by the idea”. I hate it when ideas go around disavowing folks who didn’t have them.
Nah. It's shit-stirring at best
(not you, the column)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
What's your manure
recipe? :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
He is very uninformed, to say the least
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
He certainly has many details wrong
But I agree with much of the sentiment. Lew Wolff has been a total failure as an owner, and I’d love to see someone else get a shot, especially someone who doesn’t hate Oakland.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 25, 2010 11:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not disagreeing with you..
but I’m curious if there was a new owner, what do you think they would do?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
It's a very fair question
And I honestly don’t know the answer. All I know is that the results under the Wolff regime have been very lacking, in all spheres. Would someone else do better? Who knows. It’s hard to see how they would do worse, though.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jul 25, 2010 11:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like Geren
like the rest of AN, but it made sense for him to be here during this “rebuilding” period. Heck, I know that if i were to go to a new job, i would definitely want people I’m familiar with there already, especially my old boss. I think this was the similar thinking when they promoted Geren from AAA to the MLB. At least that’s my take and hope that as the A’s start really contending with the new wave of the Big 3 + the Bash Brothers II, they hire an appropriate manager accordingly.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
If by "my old boss" you're referring to
players coming up from the Sacramento club, few (if any) of them played there under Geren. Geren’s last year with the Rivercats was 2002. If the logic were to have a manager that the young guys already know, the choice should have been Tony DeFrancesco.
If you just mean familiar to the organization generally, Ron Washington was that.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
by iglew on Jul 25, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Frank Thomas fluke
Without Frank Thomas, that ALCS appearance wouldn’t have happened. Nothing to do with Geren.
But rather than talking about the team on the field, let’s talk about Wolff, the marketing department, the perhaps deliberate fan-baiting, etc. Glenn Dickey makes a good point about Wolff’s interest in San Jose from the get-go, that his discussions with Oakland and Fremont were a ruse. (Though Dickey’s sense of geography is way off…there is no relationship between Oakland & Hayward, and Route 24, which goes from Berkeley to Walnut Creek and the 680 corridor.
Lew Wolff has been a very bad owner. It looks likely that San Jose will not happen for various reasons, including the whole Yankees/New Jersey story (opening the door to San Jose opens the door to New Jersey for the Rays or the Marlins, and a huge loss of media revenue for the Yankees). He won’t build in Oakland, and Fremont is dead.
My guess is that either he puts the team up for sale, or Fisher finds another front man.
Uh
the A’s moving to SJ does not in any way, shape or form open up Jersey. SJ is a team staying the same area, while moving further away from it’s competition. Jersey would be a THIRD team that’s currently outside the area, moving dramatically closer to two other teams.
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He contributed almost nothing to building that team
but he can certainly count it in the whole “it happened while I was there” sense of things.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
and attendance has been falling since before he took over
but everybody is super quick to point out attendance under his ownership
Pam liked my old sig better.
In the year preceding Wolff (2004)
attendance declined by 0.6%, the first and only year that attendance had declined since 1998. Since then:
2005: -4.2%
2006: -6.4%
2007: -2.8%
2008: -17.9%
2009: -10.8%
Yep, nothing to point out there.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
attendance has dropped every year since 2003.
but hey, you wanna blame wolff for that, go for it.
Pam liked my old sig better.
It dropped almost imperceptibly in the year prior to him assuming control
calling it flat would be more accurate. Since, it’s been in utter free fall, and has been accelerated drastically in the last two years. If there’s somebody else to blame for it, I have no idea who they are.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I'm not saying the move/stadium stuff isn't a factor, but the economy's been pretty rough lately too
Last of the Ninth - Photography
there's also a shiny new stadium
with mass hypage via knbr across the bay as well. that didn’t help either.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
True
Though that’s been around since 2000 and didn’t seem to impede attendance growth for Oakland in the early part of the decade. Still grew from 2000-03 in spite of it, and stayed flat in 2004. I suppose you could argue it would have grown more without it, though.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
You could also argue that the
effect of SF’s new park was delayed, since it didn’t directly pull A’s fans away from the Coliseum, but rather diverted the inflow of new fans so that more of them went to the other team.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
The dip for the A's would coincide with the Giants reaching the World Series, more or less
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Well, 2 years of the team being bad and rebuilding probably didn't help.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Let's look at it from a macro level....
Attendance has :
- been below the AL average since 1992
- declined year to year since 2003
- continue to decline during the 2006 ALCS year (before and after)
- and is trending to 50% of the AL average soon

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That's nice, but it isn't my point.
It’s tanked atrociously since 2005. To say it’s declined since 2003 is technically accurate, but 2004 wasn’t really a decline year. The difference between ’03 and ’04 was all of 15,000 fans.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
so you're
satisfied for being below league average? i think to even reach parity would be a nice accomplishment to demonstrate that oakland is feasible.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
You're taking this conversation down a fundamentally different path
My point was, and still is, that Lew Wolff has had a significantly deleterious effect on attendance in Oakland. It’s obvious that attendance at the Coliseum is a problem that needs to be addressed, and that a replacement for the Coliseum is the only way to address it. To date, Wolff scores pretty much a zero on that front as well, despite his supposed credentials for it.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
But, there is NO way to separate the effects of losing
(which has been shown to be the best predictor of attendance), and Wolff’s ownership. Our early-aughts run was over after 2006, whether Wolff was the owner or not.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no reason to separate losing from ownership, either.
The run wasn’t over of necessity after 2006 (in fact, the team had a great first half in ‘07). A conscious decision was made to reload, and it appears the reload wasn’t done well.
Losing is obviously a significant part of the dropoff, but zero effort to maintain attendance (in fact, doing things like tarping off the third deck, costing tens of thousands of lost ticket sales) is also part of it.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Really? Tens of thousands of lost ticket sales because of a tarped 3rd deck?
Those people couldn’t afford $9 bleacher or plaza reserved tickets?
by LoneStranger on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The argument is that the A's used to fill the 3rd deck against the Yankees and Red Sox
so the tarp reduced attendance by over 10,000 for as many as 6 or 7 games a year.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
More like 12
Either the Yankees or Sox come twice any given year, plus we have three home games against the Giants annually, so 6+3+3=12. In addition, there were a handful of other games in any given year that exceeded the Coliseum’s current capacity as well, for idiosyncratic reason (promo, fireworks, honoring some past Athletic, or whatever). To say that it’s driven down attendance by at least 120,000 annually is no stretch.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
yeah, that we fill it up against the BoSox or NYY isn't the point
Those people are going to fill up the place anyway. Did they even truly sell out any of the games against these opponents?
The point is that when it’s a Monday night game against the Blue Jays, or even a Saturday day game against the Angels, those seats are mostly empty.
If what you say is true, also, then the new “value deck” seats should be selling like hotcakes. It’s actually a good deal — $12, but then your ticket gets you $6 worth of food, right? Yet, every time I’ve watched a home game lately, there have been a only smattering of fans up there, just like it was pre-tarp.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
What does "they're going to fill it up anyway" mean?
That we should turn around 10K paying customers for those games? What’s the benefit of turning down those revenues? Artificially suppressing attendance figures? There’s no way the gain in operational costs outpaces the lost revenue.
What I said has no bearing whatsoever on the value seats. It has to do with artificially limiting capacity that could otherwise be exceeded.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Even if true, I imagine you're overstating the gain
I don’t think it’s about deciding whether it’s going to be on or off for certain games. It was either all season on or, or all season off. I guess they could decide on a series-by-series basis, but doing so is merely a band-aid to a larger attendance wound.
The attendance doesn’t need help to be depressed — it’s already there, tarp or not. So, the idea of tarping off the top deck itself suppressing attendance is spurious.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 28, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It indeed doesn't need help to be depressed.
Why it’s being given help in spite of that fact is beyond me. I can see no tangible benefit to tarping them off. If it was to artificially create scarcity, it was a huge failure, as it accomplished nothing of the sort.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Tarping off the top deck lets them schedule less security and concession people.
They wouldn’t have to pay insurance for the closed areas. Tarps also push the fans lower, closer to the action and that helps create a better group atmosphere.
These are all benefits.
by LoneStranger on Jul 29, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're confusing
2007, which was an actual the start of a rebuilding year (see Beane’s comments on Dan Haren). ANd apparently is doing okay, since a majority of the people in the trade are in the majors or about to break into there (anderson / carter)
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Haren was traded after the 2007 season.
Amazingly enough, the A’s were competitive in the first half of both 2007 and 2008, but began punting in June/July both years. In 2007, they were 40-39 when they gave away Milton Bradley to satiate Beane’s ego; in 2008, they were 51-42 and only 4 games out of first as late as July 11th. So naturally, they traded 2/5th of their starting rotation.
Anderson and Carter aren’t a “majority” of the players they received in the rebuilding effort, and Carter doesn’t count yet anyway, since he could easily bust. The A’s got the following:
Gio (good!)
DLS (who?)
Sweeney (who sucks)
Murton (see above)
Patterson (ibid)
Donaldson (jury still out)
Gallagher (more suck)
Cardenas (stalled in the minors)
Outman (brief flash of goodness)
Spencer (who?)
Anderson (awesome)
Carter (jury still out)
Smith (one lucky season before remembering he was Greg Smith)
Car Gon (whoops)
Cunningham (see Buck, Travis)
I’d hardly call that return on Haren, Harden, Blanton, and Swisher a success. Lots of volume, almost zero high level talent.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Well, look at the path compared to the '88 thru '94 Seasons in comparison.
The fall off of suck is pretty dramatic. Somehow this time it was less dramatic. But the shaping is more or less consistent with the team performance. To put that on Wolff seems a bit of stretch and more in line with the fickleness of Oakland attendance for the A’s. If anything, he found a way to keep it from being as drastic.
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And my point is..
regardless of which ownership (besides those that are billionaire philanthropists), the present venue is feasible in modern baseball environment as witness by its low average attendance against the league. whether it is because of losing seasons, new ownership, the economy, or just better competition, people are not viewing the entertainment dollar justification as they have done in the past.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Also
I’m curious if you thought that Schott was also doing his best to stay in Oakland as well?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Of course not.
He wanted to move the A’s to Santa Clara.
But again, my point really doesn’t have anything to do with that. It has to do with Wolff being a failure as an owner, because he is one.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
If the team gets a new ballpark under Wolff's watch, he flips around to a huge success
Because it will bring the A’s back into the realm of being a team that can actually compete on a level playing field with others in the sense they have a top-class facility in an era where such a thing is a must unless you’re Boston or the Cubs.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I bet those club houses are top-class facilities.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
by failure
does this imply going to the first ALCS since 1992 mean it was a failure to or to which category was it a failure (besides attendance, which as i have shown was going downhill already).
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
See, you really haven't shown it was going downhill already.
It was increasing through 2003, stayed the same in 2004, then started to drop. The notion of his “role” in the ALCS appearance has been addressed earlier in this thread.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I think the W's purchase
illustrates that in today’s sports world, it is no longer just about winning (hell even Cuban couldn’t lure Lebron & company), that there is definitely financial aspect that any rightful business owner would look at first. I’m not sure that even a new owner would force Oakland’s hand (i.e. the taxpayers) for a new stadium immediately or threaten to move similar to the Wolffe regime.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
The only way I can see a new Stadium working in Oakland is if it were downtown.
I just wish the commish’s office would get this thing done.. either way… Oakland or San Jose.. just to get things started.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Correction.. Downtown or JLS. They need the corporate money around them to make it work.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I like the Victory Court site best.
Are you counting that as “JLS”?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I believe there are two sites along the area where JLS is and Victory Court is one.
The big problem is that the City of Oakland did not want to play ball with the A’s until last year when they screamed about the A’s moving south. If they had worked with the A’s all along, we would already have a new stadium, in Oakland.
Personally, I am waiting for the new Walnut Creek A’s Stadium ;-)
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
"Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2014 LamorindA's!"
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Wow,
accordingly to Congressman Barbara Lee, Oakland has made this assertion:
Oakland has demonstrated its commitment to keeping the A’s in town, even identifying a new waterfront location for a state-of-the-art stadium along the Jack London Square corridor that would rival AT&T Park and link the Lake Merritt community to the waterfront.
Does anyone know the details of this JLS site and what was “demonstrated”?
Some further interesting excerpts:
An argument against keeping the A’s in Oakland has focused on “dwindling crowd support.” This is a red herring, as the A’s have drawn more than 2 million fans 11 times, including 2.9 million in 1990. During the period from 1981 to 1992, the Oakland A’s outdrew the San Francisco Giants in 10 out of 12 years. Also, the Let’s Go Oakland A’s Committee has 39,000 Facebook members lobbying to keep their hometown team.
Unfortunately, Barbara would like to mention a couple of decades ago, when the Coliseum drew against Candlestick park. Furthermore, I never realized that a Facebook page constitutes support. I mean, where are these 39,000 people at the games themselves? :X
Commissioner Selig can now step in and renew this important role for MLB. Oakland — the gritty, hardworking, multicultural and geographic center of the Bay Area — has long been a destination where people of various backgrounds live in harmony.
Funny, I think SJ is as much, if not more culturally diverse with a majority of Hispanic ethnicity combined with Asian influence (Viet, Chinese, Indian) all around. I really doubt that statement of being the geographical center. Also, I can’t believe she used the word “gritty”…..must be a die hard Slegna fan at the core! :X
After seeing an article like this, it doesn’t give me much confidence in our congressional constituents anymore. :(
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
click on the green link
on the word assertion
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Jul 25, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you have to admit
Oakland is definitely more “gritty”.
For baseball, that’s what matters.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I wrote back an LTTE
We’ll see if it gets published or not.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 25, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
tamil tigers are gone dude
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
OMG, I was thinking the same thing!
It seems my nemesis is actually my doppelgänger.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Who's her audience?
She needs an ownership group that agrees with her. All this is meaningless without that. If those 39,000 Facebook members put up $10,000 each you could buy the team and build the stadium if the city gave them the land for free and built the freeway access and BART. Now that would be impressive.
Daric Barton has become an unsupervised bunting fool - Christina Kahrl
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 25, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Her audience is short-attention-span voters.
This has nothing to do with baseball. A lot of constituents care about this in a vague, uneducated way. Therefore she makes friendly noises to voice their feelings so that they can feel like she’s in touch and representing them.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
But what voters?
Oakland voters who have done nothing and have higher priorities (including the Raiders!)? Or SJ voters who’s she completely alienated in this excerpt.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Jul 25, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The ones in her district, of course.
ie, Oakland voters. Yes, of course, they’ve done nothing. And they still intend to do nothing. But they do expect to see their representative to rail against the bad guys and kiss some Oakland ass. And so she does.
Why would Barbara Lee give a damn about the San Jose voters? Those are Zoe Lofgren’s problem.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Zoe vs. Barbara
woot let’s go!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Are you saying that we could not have matched THAT crappy package?
We could have sent them Mazzaro, Wuertz, Capra and Brown easily enough right?
$10,000,0000 for half the season, not bad.
We have enough injuries on own. Why do we keep buying rehab or over the hill players when were supposed to be looking to the future. Frank Thomas was a stroke of luck, lightning doesn’t strike twice in the same place.
the oakland coliseum has the worst vendor inspection report in california
also, florida is a third world country
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
No argument with the second sentence
Two of my favorite things about my current job, in comparison to my past job, is that it’s highly unlikely I will ever have to step foot in Florida or Texas again.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I didn't think it was even possible to get 100% violations in something
You pretty much have to make that your goal in order to accomplish it.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I need no convincing.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. Is anyone really under the delusion that any
stadium food is sanitary? Hell, even restaurant food is often questionable, but somehow we imagine that crowded little booth in the concourse is going to be clean?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I think he was referring to the "Florida is a third world country" comment.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Rotoworld says Travis Buck is due back soon.
really?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Rotoworld is never wrong!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Amazing news!
Travis Buck (oblique) is expected to rejoin the A’s later this week.
Apparently oblique is really Travis Buck!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I'm waiting for the Conor Jackson-Travis Buck cagematch
Cause I don’t know where Buck fits on this team right now.
Have the ambulances waiting!
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Rotoworld lies.
But if Trav is healthy and can hit a bit, I would be pleased.
Speaking of missing outfielders, any news on New Guy these days?
by whiteshoes40 on Jul 26, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU
we thought you melted, shoes.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
She showed up in the CT thread late last night.
It was joyous.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
And I missed it
p.s. – no Mad Men talk tonight. I haven’t watched it yet.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It was good. I watched it twice.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Heh.
But if Trav is healthy and can hit a bit
Not likely on either counts.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Is Mark Mulder coming with him?
I heard that he has surgically attached Ben Sheets left arm in place of his since neither of them were able to go it alone.
Spending time with my nephew and the AN Crew on July 10th...PRICELESS!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 26, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What the crap.
I knew RyRy went on the DL, but I didn’t realize he was having season-ending surgery. Sigh.
Yeah.
One, maybe both knees.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'm funny.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I love the casual throwaway way you said that.
One, maybe both knees. You know, nothing out of the ordinary.
Yeah. Whatev.
I’m over it
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
BUT HE'S OUR BEST HITTER!
(according to Fox)
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
WTF does Jake Fox know?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
How's he doing these days btw
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
ooh, bold
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
mmhmmmmm
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'll sure miss his power
Spending time with my nephew and the AN Crew on July 10th...PRICELESS!
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 26, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
minors moniker madness
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I love that name.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
He's a Wacky Racer isn't he?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Is Shooter Hunt still around?
He’s my favorite.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We rock.
I love the A’s.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's technically tied for third place.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
screw third.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 26, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
kiss first.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
foreplay second?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
kiss, foreplay, sex, cuddle, sleep
rinse, wash, repeat
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
sometimes skip the sleep.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes, yes
then you get to see the sun come up. I use to like that
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
yup.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
[looks on nerdmatch.com for a date]
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
there isn't such a thing, right?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
why?
you don’t need it
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
nope
you are chick magnet
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Frack!
Heh, I just noticed your bowdlerized sigline.
Narc Captain approves.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
are you the narc captain?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
oh, yeah, I forgot.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate the teleological implications of "foreplay"
To call it that suggests that it is something engaged in only as a means to another end.
Every activity that is done as foreplay is something that should be done for its own sake, regardless of what comes after.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'd love to read your manual on love-making.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't written one,
but I’ve read several.
As a general rule, I think the samizdat ones are better than the mainstream ones dressed up as pretty coffee table books.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
you might actually be a demon here to taunt me.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I know I am.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Boobies!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
quack!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
I would have spread filthy filthy lies.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Michael Savage killed my puppy. With his words.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
might be.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
swappy swappy swappy swappy swappy swappy
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Bloom was shaving girls in the 80s
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
the potato salad used to tell me to kill people.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
you want I should rub your blue fuzzy belly?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Is this a come-on to grover?
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." -- Connie Mack
Shreveport.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
hot lefty on lefty action.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
If I eat one and don't know, does it count as a relapse?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Did they leave the island of Manhattan for this?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
and heroin!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
night dan.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
cookies for everyone!

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Those aren't my cookies
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
no, but I had no pictures of your cookies.
Much less any cookies which to take pictures of.
I thought about posting a picture of my penis, but thought that no one would think it was a cookie.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
if it looks like a cookie
then you would have to go to the doctor
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
go see the doctor.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
my wienie doesn't look like a cookie
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
well, that's good, but it would explain a lot if it did.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, the M&M's would be scary.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
they could burn them off
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
that makes me wince.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
thats why you always have to use condoms
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
just not maGnums
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
no worries there for me
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
me, neither.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it weird if I'm trying to figure out the pattern of these old posts?
They’re all old posts from a month ago.
there's at least one pattern.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
you're looking too hard.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a smart man,
Jenny, er, Dan, but I do know what love is.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
look at the last five.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
First letters of the last five spell, "Hi, Dan,"
but initials before that don’t spell anything.
I think you’re just spambotting yourself all over the thread.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
spambotting such an ugly word.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
dannyboy!
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad I wasn't home for most of the day
I’d be as bored as Bloomie
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
ack!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
hey! Where's the rest of it?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
ack!
[runs around in circle, thwacking self with rake]
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
so where are the miscreants to go to hang out on a off-night?
I feel like we’re hanging out in the off-bathroom, smoking cigarettes and ditching math class.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
got a light?
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
yup.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
my butt and your face.
wait…
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a teabagger
I’m a democrat
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
no politics! strike strike strike!!!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
woo!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
what are we striking?
for better pay?
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
you get paid?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I must speak to this Nico character.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
well
no
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
good. Me, neither.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
teacher, don't you fill me up with your rules.
Cause everybody knows that smoking ain’t allowed in school.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope I'm not speaking out of school but
Strawberry Newtons are delicious.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
Baldy!
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
much better now
that I found where the cool kids are hanging. I was getting rather bored
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
no. It's just what I do when I'm bored.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
No baseball.
No thread for the bad people to hang out.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I made a fake CT thread once on an off day.
It was both the worst and greatest thing I’ve ever done.
you should have again tonight
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
seriously.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
oooooo...let's!
I’ll do it.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
why and why?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck, yeah!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
VORP!
vorp vorp vorp vorp vorp vorp
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It's only hot when OAH is around.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
VORP!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Somewhere, she is squirming in her sleep.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
What are you doing up so late, Midwestie?
Don’t you have to get up at 6:00 am to play golf?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
HI!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
ick. From the lake this weekend?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I've had an ear infection that comes back from time to time for years
I got it in the Sacramento River…..hurts like you wouldn’t believe
can't be any worse than botched gallbladder surgery,
I suggest if they offer you that one, that you skip it.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
hmm....gallbladder is that near the arm bone? (a joke for OldhamA)
never good when you hear the word botched when it comes to surgery
I agree and support your random fipping.
Please continue.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
cluck you
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
He pulls a fip... you pull a fipper
he fips one of yours in the hospital…you fip one of his in the morgue
that’s the fipago way…that’s how you get fipone
you are strange
I love you
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I say both
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
We're discussing Ben Sheets here, right?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
yup.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks it's a freaky coincidence
that he has the same name as the guy in that Ben & Arthur movie? I mean, what the fuck is that? It’s not like “Sheets” is a common name or anything.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I need to change mine
Zooey Deschanel!
Cluck 'em all and let the Chick sort 'em out - DMOAS
You're worried that you'll come off as nerdy as frack? On AN? That’s like being ashamed of your alcohol use at a meth convention. - danmerqury
by ChickenStanley on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm planning on washing the sheets on the sofabed before I leave here.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I bought new ones recently, but they're cheap and scratchy.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'm insensitive, so it doesn't bother me much.
The old ones have better thread count but they’re old and tattered.
I may get some flannel ones. My ex-wife says flannel is too hot for summer, but I love flannel.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I had some 600 count ones in Florida.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I counted...we have two beds in our condo...one for company...one for love
they’re both kings…and yet we have 10 sets of sheets…..why…how….when….
okay.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
If you promise that no one will mention the radio show,
I might go take a peek.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I promise.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 27, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you think Lew Wolff is busy now...
…just wait until his Indian tablet PC business takes off!
The 2011 Federal Discretionary Budget
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Trying to keep this one alive
San Jose to pull back stadium vote
At first glance, I was disappointed. But, then I was heartened by this quote:
San Jose City Councilman and ballpark booster Sam Liccardo said the phone conversation between the mayor and league “provides us with good reason to feel confident about moving forward” – even if means a few months’ delay.
I really don’t like M&R in general, but this seems more plausible than what they normally write.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
An Australian friend of mine (who was freaked out by some commercials while visiting me last year) sent me this link, and I thought of you:
mini-vacas!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
At the time,
she said she’d actually like to have a pet elephant the size of those cows, but the cows themselves freaked her out. (I think a pet mini-rhino would be fun, but I’d probably end up with a lot of shin bruises.)
Your friend is weird.
I don’t know why it made me sad to read that they taste better than regular cows.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Explains hanging out here, at least.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

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