Recap: Late Rally Helps Innuendo Beat Off Community Tension
by Nico on Jul 23, 2010 8:53 AM PDT
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PrintI know that on AN, you appreciate the BOTTOM LINE, so I'll spare you the long and twisted road of over 1,000 comments that got us there. There are no new rules around "profanity/lewdness" as if you click your heels three times and say "There's no place like AN," you'll find those rules were nothing more than a fleeting figment of your imagination. We have a better solution to try first.
The goal is to reset the volume and frequency so that while profanity is understood to be a natural by-product of a ballpark or sports bar, the f-bombs are more judiciously dropped and profanity is used for occasional emphasis rather than casually or constantly, and that sexual talk and innuendo is sufficiently fleeting and rare that it has a "pick your spots" quality rather than one of "here we go again."
iglew, mikev, and DMOAS have stepped forward to volunteer as ambassadors, to remind their peers over the next couple weeks that as a community we are making a good faith effort to show that this can be accomplished without any administrative policing or formal rules. Their goal is not to admonish anyone, but rather just to, as needed, remind commenters -- some of whom may forget and some of whom may have missed yesterday's thread -- that the community is making a mindful effort to balance the "well placed f-bomb" and "irresistible innuendo" with a place that is comfortable and interesting to those who may not care for AN's "after darkier side." Anyone else who wants to offer to help iglew, mikev, and DMOAS can speak up at any time, as there is a lot of AN to read. And thanks to those three for stepping up!
Let's see if we can, as a self-policed community that celebrates its own diversity and respects differences, find a balance in which all commenters feel they can express themselves as themselves, all readers feel that a range of views and sensibilities on "vulgar discourse" are recognized and appreciated, and AN can continue to enjoy a public reputation as an exceptional online community.
And it is. Let's not forget that!
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To clarify:
iglew, mikev, and DMOAS have stepped forward to volunteer as ambassadors, to remind their peers over the next couple weeks that as a community we are making a good faith effort to show that this can be accomplished without any administrative policing or formal rules. Their goal is not to admonish anyone, but rather just to, as needed, remind commenters — some of whom may forget and some of whom may have missed yesterday’s thread — that the community is making a mindful effort to balance the “well placed f-bomb” and “irresistible innuendo” with a place that is comfortable and interesting to those who may not care for AN’s “after darkier side.” Anyone else who wants to offer to help iglew, mikev, and DMOAS can speak up at any time, as there is a lot of AN to read. And thanks to those three for stepping up!
In short, if I respond to your post and say DUDE KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF — you’ll know that you should swear a little less.
Thx.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Oh, he di'int!!!!
Seriously, thanks for stepping up. Much appreciated.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Now not only is he drunk on alcohol
he is drunk with power!?
beware the knife
AN: We is all growed up now.
by OptimistPrime on Jul 23, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh the shark has pretty teeth, dear
And he shows them pearly white
Just a big knife has mikev dear,
And he keeps it out of sight…
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I don't have any power (that I've been told about)
I think I’m basically just supposed to tell people to knock it off when they’re getting out of hand.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Yeah mike but if they are smart they will listen
I’d want you on my side in a street fight, that’s all I am sayin’
AN: We is all growed up now.
by OptimistPrime on Jul 23, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I always keep a crowbar in my trunk just in case
I come across some unruly punks………
Otherwise, I’m a peace loving hippie at heart! :)
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I'm really enjoying this imagery.
You hear a knock on your door late at night, and when you answer there’s three guys standing on your porch. Mikev is the big bruiser casually picking his fingernails with a knife. DMOAS is the shaggy psycho-looking dude who stands in the back muttering to himself. I’m overdressed with an expensive dark suit and slicked-back hair. I do all the talking:
“We’re just making a friendly neighborhood visit. I thought you should know we’ve heard a few complaints about you. Now don’t worry. Nothing’s gonna happen to you. We’re here to make sure of that. But this is a friendly community and we want to see that it stays that way. You understand?”
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Yeah, and I'm not wearing a suit either.
It’s role-playing. Your character is a big bruiser. That’s what counts.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
really?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the real-life one. The one in my mind before I actually met him.
I'm here to talk about the past.
you have authority and people should respect that authority.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
looks more like me.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Ed.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
As for the infamous CT thread, where everything goes:
The way to get there as as follows:
Under the Athletics Nation logo (and under the Fan Confidence Poll and the SB Nation Bay Area logo) is a Sections box. Click on Overflow Threads and you’re there. This is also where all the other overflow threads (duh) go immediately after every game.
The CT thread has become a spot for people to hang out between Ken Korach’s recap and the beginning (and throughout) Chris Townsend’s post-game show. It was also created with the intention of keeping the recaps (mostly) about the game.
After almost every game that day’s thread person will post a link to the CT thread in the last game thread (I say almost because I am not sure if every thread person does this).
So there you go.
I personally had hoped to do the same with DLD’s (create its own section, with only the most current DLD on the sidebar allowing for more “worthy” posts to be seen), but there currently is a glitch.
-67M
I'm here to talk about the past.
You can't spell Onan without AN
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Has the A's marketing department heard this one?
There’s real potential.
A’s baseball: We can do this by ourselves!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Moderating is really, really, really hard sometimes
Believe me, I know.
So hats off to you guys, and try not to lose any sleep over this s—-, um, stuff.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
Just so I'm clear
Is the same idea of having game threads and CT threads be pretty much no-holds-barred still in play? Or are the blogartti of mikev, iglew, and DMOAS going to be policing those too?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
Dumb question
But what’s a CT thread?
Charles Thomas? (eek)
Cut Throat?
Cootie Titillating?
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 23, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
CT = Chris Townsend
This guy does a post-game radio call-in show. The CT threads are mainly for discussing the radio show (maybe 10%) and off-topic flirting, grab-ass, and the like.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
Aaah, ok, I've never seen one. Thanks.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 23, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The CT threads are stashed in the "overflow game thread" category, and never make a front page appearance
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
Nah, too easy.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Jul 23, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
ohh grab-ass
can I grab any ones ass, (mental image of OAKhoney & SwisherThresher) or did you have a particular ass in mind?
"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010
Any ass that dares enter the CT thread is ...
um, up for grabs.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
If it hurts, you're doing it wrong.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
(sorry)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
(don't ban me)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
And if it doesn't hurt, you're doing it worse.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
G_S would disagree
if he didn’t spur this last round of threads and take off
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I grabbed both Mike V and DMOAS's asses the other day.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not my kind of image but whatever varnishes your deck, brother.
{winks}
I'm here to talk about the past.
No limits on game-thread emotion please
However, I’d love to see the “blogartti” (along with our mods) take care of the excessively-negative trolls who show up (usually during losing games) and poison the game threads.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
by doctorK on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
NIco has done that from time to time, and I can't remember anyone disagreeing with him when he's done it
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
GT emotion will- and should- remain.
But there is such a thing as too much and too far and I like to think that everyone knows the difference and can wait for the CT thread to let their hair all the way down.
Agree on the troll part, and agree with Nick that it’s been handled properly.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I'll show you too much and too far at the next tailgate.
(BTW, I’m talking about eating hot links and trying to see CF from section 123)
Pam liked my old sig better.
If AN is gonna have mods to police our blog
then might as well throw an mrod in there for good measure….!
Just saying…{kicks rocks, spits on sidewalk, grabs ctotch}
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
aren't the big pictures and super sausy pictures
holds barred?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yes. All CGs are the same today as they were Wednesday.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
+ infinity doctork
The only thing that truly bothers me on AN are the people who come on the threads and just crap all over everything about the A’s and do it without humor or adding any insight.
Here's my two cents / wish:
Go freaking hog wild in the CT threads as a place where the men can be men and the sheep should be scared, and there’s living proof that anything can be heard on AN if you know which back alley to frequent.
In the game threads, maybe just try to perfect the art of making an f-bomb or a sexual innuendo actually mean something. There IS something to be said for “less is more” and it IS on the front page. Then again, the game threads are known to be looser and we want everyone to feel they can be real — just a touch of balance would be greatly appreciated and would show mutual respect, as would a little tolerance for the fact that the game threads are inherently a looser place than the articles and fanposts.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
But can the women be women?
j/k.
Thanks for the clarification, Nico-son.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
And what about the men who want to be women?
by LoneStranger on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
She's back!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Losing battle
I defended people’s—well mainly grover’s—right to write what they wanted yesterday. Difficult to see swearing as that big a deal, though I’m rarely in game threads anymore.
But the endless sexual innuendo in just about any thread is destroying this place for me. I didn’t know what the CT threads were about—assumed they dealt with the previous game—but fine, they exist as a place for whatever it is that they exist for.
They’re just the tip of the iceberg, though. It seems like the value of the site for so many people here is a place to hang out with online friends who happen to have the A’s in common and then let the double entendres fly. I mean even this thread where you’re encouraging balance has already dealt with beating off, grabbing ass, and painful sex. And you’re right there with all of it, Nico
What a shit-hole this place has become for people who actually want it to be about baseball.
Yeah, well if what you want is a site that is all about baseball,
that’s not AN. And I’m 100% fine with that. It’s a community, it’s a place people come to chat with each other and be silly. I guess it’s subjective — this threads feels great to me. There’s a positivity and resolve to consider one another, and let’s face it — there’s a lot of self-referring reference to yesterday’s tense conversation and I think that’s healthy.
A LOT of people DO come to AN to hang out with online friends who happen to have the A’s in common and in fact they are some of AN’s most loyal, long-time, and respected members of this community. Social talk and playful banter on AN isn’t going anywhere. If it isn’t for you, no one is forcing you to hang around.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This is baffling
Are you the same guy who was encouraging a little more decorum yesterday? You’re like the teacher who tried to get control of the class and then realized it was better when the kids thought you were cool. So you’re back to being cool.
But let me honestly ask you a couple of non-rhetorical question. This place has morphed into something pretty different than it was 3-4 years ago, hasn’t it? And that change wasn’t intentional, right? It just sort of happened gradually. Is it a good thing that it’s changed in the way it has? Or is whatever direction the place goes the direction it goes and we’re all okay with that?
It sounded to me yesterday that you were concerned about the direction the place had gone.
by RLangford on Jul 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not Nico
but my take is something happened recently that lead to the “teacher” giving a “p’s” and “q’s” lecture.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
So here's the thing. I haven't changed my stance, it's that
you’re focusing on “outcome” and I’m interested in “process” and “spirit.” If the community understands, and respects, and is prepared to make a good faith effort to be considerate, to all, things will be fine.
For example, I don’t care if there are zero, or 2, or 12 expletives in a thread. What I care about is that people are mindful and intentional, and have a spirit of “there’s a range of folks here and they’re all worth considering” before they comment. I think we’re more there today than we were 48 hours ago.
As for AN evolving, I’m fine with it staying the same or evolving as it is naturally inclined to do, as long as basic principles such as respect, civility, and diversity are honored.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What would it take to get you to acknowledge you've changed your stance about something?
Your stance yesterday was no swearing (without asterisks) in many places or you’ll get strikes. Today it’s “be mindful and intentional.”
I like today’s (a lot) better, but do you really not think it’s a different stance?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Jul 23, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not. If I change my stance I have no problem saying so.
My bottom line has always been that there needs to be more compromise and consideration, both ways, which at the moment means a decrease in profanity/lewdness. The fact that you hate me and everything I say doesn’t change that. There are a lot of ways to get to that compromise and consideration. Yesterday’s “stance” was one, today’s another — all towards the same end.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
you are trying to distinguish goals and means to reach the goals
stance – less vulgar AN
means – community consensus vs top-down enforcement.
Yesterday, it started out as top-down enforcement.
Today, it’s trying to self police & exhort.
Yes, well put.
I would even replace “less vulgar AN” with “just more mindful use of…” but same idea.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I get what you're saying, nevermoor, but
I think you need to ask yourself why this acknowledgment matters to you.
This is a general principle that I think applies to a lot of debates and arguments we see on AN, not just this one.
Two sides disagree about something, and each has strong feelings. In the course of the argument, each gains a better understanding of the other’s view. They find common ground, compromise a little, and adjust their positions accordingly.
In my view, this is a good result. I wish I could see more debates and arguments take this path.
Often this result depends on each side being able to back down gracefully without having to say they were wrong. When one side says, whether directly or indirectly, “Yeah, but I won. I won’t be satisfied until you admit that you backed down,” it jeopardizes the result and throws a foul mood on what could have been a happy ending.
It seems to me that the only sort of person who would want that is a person who cares only about winning the argument. If one cares instead about enlightening others with better information and/or achieving better results that make everyone happy, such a course is nothing but destructive.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
by iglew on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The reason it matters
Every dispute on this site since before my rift has been of the form “nothing is changing, but we’re enacting this new rule” followed by “this new rule is not a big deal” followed by “just because we’re enacting this rule does not mean we’ll enact a more restrictive rule next”
I think if we can be honest about what’s happening we can also agree / disagree, but I take the comment I replied to here as a frustration of that goal, and a common theme.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
They're always semantic disagreements
For example, I have quite literally never, in 2 years and 8 or so writers, told a front page writer they couldn’t write something, gone in and changed something a writer wrote, or deleted something a writer wrote, etc. — that’s my definition of “not censoring content.” Writers can write as they see fit and I won’t interfere.
All the rules I implement or champion are designed to keep the community maximally a place of respect, civility, and consideration/appreciation for diversity. I’ve been utterly consistent about that, both in words and in actions.
You nitpick details and then feel tricked but as far as I’m concerned, I have absolutely met those core promises I made. As I knew I would.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That just isn't true
The authors who’ve quit didn’t think they were “semantic,” nor is (for example) the Yahoo headline issue “designed to keep the community maximally a place of respect, civility, and consideration/appreciation for diversity.”
The reason I made the post iglew objects to is that you believe what you’ve posted here.
And to be clear, I don’t feel tricked. I feel like it’s worth pushing back on changes I think are bad (especially since sometimes that pushing back works, as here) but I won’t feel tricked at all when you announce the next “semantic” “insignificant” “not really different at all” change. And when you tell me that one doesn’t matter because you haven’t done worse things than I’ve ever accused you of, I won’t be any more impressed than I am now.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
OK, for clarity, I had absolutely nothing to do
with the Yahoo headline deal and it actually predated my arrival onto the scene as blogfather.
Also, let’s just call it like it is: the “authors who quit” are just giving you bad information, period. I’ll say it again: I literally never, in 2 years and 8 or so writers, told a front page writer they couldn’t write something, went in and changed something a writer wrote, or deleted something a writer wrote, etc. I’m sorry if you don’t want to believe that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This
This is a deep insight, in my opinion. I only wish I had two more accounts so that I could turn it green on my own. I should probably check the rest of the replies here but before I do…Rec!
by LowcountryJoe on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He is concerned.
But the directions that most concern him don’t exactly correlate with the ones that concern you.
You hate the sexual innuendo but love the swearing. Others are the reverse. Nico is trying to plot a middle course.
Part of that middle course is that he’s trying to tone down the sexual banter in the more baseball-oriented threads (which does not include this one), in part by pushing the bulk of it into a certain section of the blog. That should be a slight improvement in the situation for you, but if it’s not enough for you, then so be it.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I wouldn't say I love the swearing
I’d say it doesn’t bother me. And yeah, it’d be nice if the sexual banter were toned down in the baseball oriented threads.
"Does not include this one"
Yep. And as you pointed out yesterday, there was more swearing in the no-more swearing thread than in the DLD. How’s that for a twist?
I'm here to talk about the past.
I don't know that AN is much different RLangford.
Sexual innuendo has long-existed here, as far as I can recall anyway. Same as the language. More than anything it got out hand, it stopped being clever or funny (again, my opinion), it turned people off. I guess in that regard AN was spiraling downward. Desperate measures were taken because slaps on the hand weren’t cutting it. The masses cried foul, threats were made, and then gradually a new agreement was made. Nico didn’t back down any more than AN said, “Fine, if we do it in moderation, will you call of the dogs?” Seemed pretty mutual to me.
I'm here to talk about the past.
You're wrong
All you have to do is go back and look at the discussion in the thread that mikev links to below. And then even check out the links in that thread. It’s a largely different world in how it sounds to me. Oh well.
Fair enough, but sometimes it depends on the post or the poster.
Take a history piece of mine vs. one of my sillier posts.
And I’d be interested to see a 2010 DLD vs. a 2007 DLD.
I'm here to talk about the past.
If you want it to be about baseball, why aren't you writing about baseball?
Or, rather, how come the last time you wrote about baseball here was three years ago (which, incidentally, was a cool fanpost)
Pam liked my old sig better.
that was a good diary
G_S making baseball comments.
Seriously though, there is a lot of baseball content still here, mostly in fact. Virtually none of the fanposts aren’t about baseball. I don’t see the issue.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yeah, fair enough
I guess I just need to stay out of particular threads.
DLD threads degenerate pretty quickly f its a slow news day
and solid baseball diaries are slower to emerge, but generally breaking news is linked here and when something is happening there is almost all baseball comments.
Down time (off days etc) is different.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Def agree on the off days.
Essentially it’s been 48 hours since the last game.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I'd sing Kumbya in celebration
but then learned how it translates into English*, and don’t want to get flagged.
- translation – “**** me you &&& e^ipi=1 ball of hormones!”
IIRC, "kumbaya" is Gullah for "come by here"
and since Gullah is a creole based on English, you could say that “kumbaya” is already in English.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
One pill makes you larger....and one pill makes you small...
Does Cahill have an undisclosed relationship with BALCO?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT IT'S THE COBRA?!?!?!?!
Please tell me you’re gonna be here more now??? PLEASE.
Pam liked my old sig better.
mikev's all grown up
and a moderator now. it’s the end of youth as we know it.
by sleepingcobra on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed you so much.
Hell, when this all blows over I think you and me should get an apartment together.
(psst — not a mod)
Pam liked my old sig better.
I heard that if you play your cards right, you can
use the Narc Squad as a stepping stone to full moderator privileges.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Here'a a theme song for you guys
Lyrics NSFW, though kinda indecipherable.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Dude
Everyone is hilarious here – I like to be a big fish. Convince me.
by sleepingcobra on Jul 23, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Also: wasn't your problem with scout that you couldn't cuss?
This is pretty much you trying to upgrade your balls for crystal eardrums.
by sleepingcobra on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And the nickname for the dominant, young starting rotation could be The Great Society
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jul 23, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trevor is "Killer Bunny".
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
And there are some who call him . . . . .
Tim.
Nobody expects some kind of obscure Monty Python allusion.
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, Nico and AN
I appreciate the effort to tone-down the profanity here at AN.
I have seen excellent baseball discussion here without the crudeness and innuendo that seems to have become quite the norm.
I used to recommend AN unreservedly, but lately I have had to include a disclaimer of sorts. I would prefer not to be associated with the crudeness.
Yeah, I know. If I don’t like it, I don’t have to come here.
But I do care about many of the people who post here and it has been my favorite source/first choice for A’s news, because it often has been the first place word is put out.
And I appreciate the work of most of the front page writers immensely.
My friends have suggested that I just don’t read the threads that I find offensive..and youknowwhoyouare loves to tease me about “bad words”. I can do that, but I hope that this effort is positive and about respect for the community as a whole.
We can make this a place for all of us and the place for excellent A’s baseball commentary.
GO A’s!
#8. Seriously, how cool a name is Dallas Braden?
by LongTimeFan on Jul 23, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HEY.
I have a name you know.
♥
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'll add my thanks to Nico and AN for engaging in this process
As it happens, I have rarely been offended by swear words or innuendo. I have vices of my own, mainly (I think) a tendency to post links to songs bearing a very tenuous connection to the subject at hand. Oh yeah, and my perhaps-not-so-informed criticisms of Jack Cust, which I have set aside until further notice.
Anyway, a hallmark of a healthy community is a willingness to examine its core principles and the rules it is going to abide by, and I think that’s what this sort of exercise achieves.
Remember me sometime when I am far away/and I will try and do the same/Maybe just like you someday I will forget/every hit song America ever had -- Yo La Tengo, "Lewis"
by Ray of Lite on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
cool for keeping AN SFW
the lack of all caps profanity and a ban against skin-pics – these are the things that allow me to not get immediately fired from work by surfing over to AN.
sorta like that new non-nudity playboy site they’re developing, but whatever.
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
I have my ctrl + w key ready
Maybe we can have code that will put content behind a button, like:
[NSFW]
*click
[something nsfw here]
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
by fruitattack on Jul 23, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You know about the subject line, right?
Click on any subject line to collapse the comment. That is, the picture goes away. I use that all the time.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I still think NSFW and NSFW-esque pictures shouldn't be allowed.
Some of the “rally” pictures were way overboard.
Pam liked my old sig better.
I think it was either people seeing how far they could go or not getting the concept of rally pics.
Same as cussing or innuendo, if done right or in moderation…{stops, turns over tape}
I'm here to talk about the past.
ditto
again, the way to break my AN habit is to get me fired from work for accessing a “fully not-allowed site”. My workplace, like I’m sure many others has 3 types of website classifications:
1) those that deal with your work – (the justification for web access!) – these get you an “atta-boy”
2) those that don’t deal with your work – just playtime and waste of time (this would be AN) – these just get you a frown
3) those that will incur the company liability – sexual harassment, etc. (those NSFW sites) – these get you fired
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 23, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally, I think the rally pics posted by the regulars
are in good taste. Sometimes they’re sexy (and sometimes not) but they’re generally classy.
The problem, in my opinion, is almost always when a newbie or non-regular comes along and thinks, “Hey, I can do that,” and dumps a bunch of bikini model pictures.
It did get way out of hand once, but there was a specific rally pic discussion about a year ago and I think it has stayed within bounds since then.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
going off memory
the gilmore girls pics have been fine. the christina hendricks ones have been fine.
SOME of the salma hayek ones have been too much.
a lot of other ones were over the line
Pam liked my old sig better.
You amuse me.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Salma does have a tendency to overflow her container.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I totally agree with this
I find it a lot easier to skim over offensive text without having to read it, but it’s awfully hard to not see big skin-pics.
OT (that is, on the topic of the A's),
After his 2 for 5 yesterday, Michael Taylor’s season batting average is up to .275.
“Batting average isn’t a good measure of someone’s hitting!!!”
“I didn’t say it was, I just said that’s what his batting average was!!!”
“That implies you think batting average is important!!!”
“Don’t tell me what I think!!!!”
“Moran!!!”
“Moran!!!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Moran.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Flagged.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Taylor had that calf injury at the start of the season
and IIRC he said something about always starting slowly (maybe he and Chavvy struck up a friendship over this trait in Spring Training…).
I’d love to read a scouting report describing what, if anything, he’s doing differently now. It could be a random slump/hot streak pattern, or he could have made some kind of adjustment.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I also heard, from fans who saw games,
that he looked like he had lost a lot of weight, which made me wonder about other health factors (be it diabetes related or other). Just look at what various illnesses have done to Conor Jackson, Jed Lowrie, etc.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That is, at the start of the season, he looked thinner than before
I think someone on AN said that after seeing a Rivercats game — I didn’t notice it that much in the pictures they posted for comparison (I think it was a highlight of that booming HR he hit for Harrisburg last season on youtube).
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Narc squad! Reporting for duty!
Does anyone else find it interesting that the three of us who volunteered are, to a man, filthy-minded bastards who swear casually and enjoy the ass-grabbing?
I understand that when you put together a gang to police the mean streets, you need guys who know those streets, but it seems like there ought to be at least one goodie-two-shoes to complete our gang.
Only half-joking.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Yeah I would have volunteered for that role but I'm kind of already on the board.
I'm here to talk about the past.
PUT HIM ON THE BOARD.............
YESSSSSSSSSS!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Seriously. PLEASE.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If BerryJo was around right now, I'd nominate her
She seems to be level-headed. Or maybe stranahanahan.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 23, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I do think there should be someone that isn't a fan of the innuendo enforcing this truce
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't disagree with that Im just saying what your objective line is and others probably varries.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't have very much to do with decreasing the frequency that it happens though.
Pam liked my old sig better.
I agree.
Nico said all along he’d welcome help from any member who chooses to participate, and so would we all. One doesn’t have to have an official badge to give a kind reminder.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I just sort of assumed this part
And have certainly once or twice requested that people change their tone to keep the discussion more productive/civil, and I’m just an infrequent commenter. But if it seems like people are engaging in excessive swearing/lewdness, I will remark on it. I think that all of us should feel free to do that, and a better AN will result.
So to sum-up, it's gonna be more of the same ol' natural by-products around here?
Is that about it?
/photo depicting pile of said by-products thoughtfully excluded.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
I just want to ensure that I can still drive like crazy to get pizza at 1 AM, picking up several ANers on the way....
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
yes. yes, you can.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets, except when their nipples have magical powers. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 23, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm probably more amused by the title of this post than I should be
Well done sir.
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
heh heh, he said "beat off"
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
mtv's bringing them back, didja hear?
mike judge signed up for some new seasons of BNB
by rollierollieOxenfree on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
it's going to be fantastic.
I hope their first video in the new ones is Lady Gaga.
by LoneStranger on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The boys are coming back!
heh heh heh heh heh heh heh….hey I’m going to watch something on MTV again!
I bought the Daria box set for my wife as a birthday present
It’s not as good without the transitional music (they couldn’t pay for the rights to all of it), but it’s still awesome.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
A 17-year old son...
That likes- gasp- football a whole lot more than he loves baseball. So we have that. But every now and then he’ll get it out to a game with me. Pam’s met him.
I'm here to talk about the past.
This sounds like a plan
I’ve learned to scroll past things I’m not interested in, whether it be algebraic minutiae or sexual innuendo. I guess I never understood why others didn’t do that as well.
More mindfulness should solve the problems…well, ANY mindfulness. I’m more aware that if I say, “that fucking idiot, Bob Geren,” that using the expletive takes it to another level, say beyond “Bob Geren is a mouth-breathing pine nut.”
Using the same expletive in a different context: I hate fucking Fox and their contract with MLB. I really sucks that in the middle of summer we cannot watch or listen to baseball games on Saturday afternoons.
We’re on Fox tomorrow. Our only other blackout is on September 25 and that’s a home game against the Rangers.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew who posted that without reading the name. I don't know if I should be proud or frightened.
I'm here to talk about the past.
proud, actually....
Detecting anyone’s style is always a good thing. I can usually tell Nico’s posts before I see his name, same with yours, and certainly almost always with emperor nobody. I can tell baseball girl’s recaps immediately as hers (which I think are damned good and I don’t think she gets enough credit for her work).
All this time
I thought his teeth were just too big for his lips to cover them. Enlightenment! Thanks.
Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.
Good recap.
The game was hard on all of us, but we pulled it out in the end.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Yeah, I move, dont have internet for a few days, and I was just looking for A's info.
What happened to cause all this discourse?
The other post is TL/DR.
This is great news- so is Suzuki now headed to the 60 DL?
Think Anna Russell's summary of the Ring.
Same idea.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Yay! I knew if I kept plugging, someone would get it.
She’s describing yesterday’s thread, amirite?
You can be Alberich. (Remember Alberich?)
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
susanslusser
The Chronicle has learned approx. figures on the Suzuki deal: $16 million guaranteed, $25-26 mill if option vests for 2014. #Athletics
Looks like the option hinges on 120 games played in 2013.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
If it's officially 3 + 1, the option would buy out his first FA season.
and the guaranteed 16M would be for his 3 arby years.
An average of 5.33M for 3 years isn’t bad at all for a 2.5 WAR catcher.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Mark me down as being surprised if he plays in Oakland for the duration of the contract.
Especially if he continues to be so hacktastic at the plate
Pam liked my old sig better.
With all the catchers in the minor-league system, that's a reasonable assumption
As with Swisher’s, the extension is designed to increase flexibility, I assume, not decrease it.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
The option hinges on 120 games played -- and that's just in April!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
OMG THE A"S ARENT TRYINGGGGGGGG
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa! Meta-blog thread hijacked by real news!
Good news.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
susanslusser
Suzuki’s vesting option for 2014, based on games played in 2013, takes deal between $25-26 mill total. http://tinyurl.com/2fbyvvn #Athletics
less than a minute ago via web
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
JeffFletcherAOL
Brett Anderson just finished throwing his pen. I assume the decision on his return will be made shortly. Could be Sunday. #athletics
13 minutes ago via TweetDeck
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions
I would like to see him pitch, so hopefully they are factoring that into their decision.
I'm here to talk about the past.
He should be careful about throwing his pen like that
He could put someone’s eye out.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Jack Cust is not playing today
FIRE GEREN RIGHT NOW.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Sigh.
OaklandAs
#Athletics vs. #WhiteSox: Crisp CF, Barton 1B, Suzuki C, Kouzmanoff 3B, Rosales DH, Ellis 2B, Carson RF, Davis LF, Pennington SS, Cahill P
8 minutes ago via UberTwitter
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Crisp is back at leadoff?
I kinda liked seeing Cliff up there.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Crisp is a better hitter RH, so at least that makes sense
That is, as with Rajai if he’s going to leadoff it should be against a LHP
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Seems stupid to put a rare backup IF at DH
won’t that restrict options later on?
It's baffling
more gob-smacked than angry.
That will come later.
Geren is consistent at least
Given that he would have PH Rosy for Cust in this situation, it is consistent that Rosy bats there to start.
He's just platooning for L/R matchups
You can disagree with the premise, but FWIW Rosales has crushed LH this year, and Cust…hasn’t.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
They should both be in the lineup. Give me Cust over Carson any day of the week.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
what about the backup infielder part
That’s a bit more odd to me.
I’d probably go with:
1.) 1B — Barton
2.) SS — Pennington
3.) DH — Cust
4.) C — Suzuki
5.) LF — Rosales
6.) 3B — Kouzmanoff
7.) 2B — Ellis
8.) RF — Davis
9.) CF — Crisp
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd go with
1. Pennington
2. Barton
3. Suzuki
4. Cust
5. Kouzmanoff
6. Ellis
7. Rosales
8. Crisp
9. Davis
you are a better manager than geren then
not like thats a huge compliment….but still. props.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Well, I called that shit in the last game thread.
Buehrle is pitching, so Cust is bench. Someone please hit Geren with a 2×4. Hard.
STOP BENCHING THE BEST HITTER ON THE TEAM YOU STUPID STUPID MAN!
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Jul 23, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buerhle has been better against right-handed batters this season anyway.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't let facts get in the way of Geren actively making the team worse as often as possible
He will NOT be denied.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Jul 23, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll go page Hacksaw Jim Duggan right now.
by LoneStranger on Jul 23, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't watched rasslin' in....gosh...decades but I loved that a
goofy looking guy with a beer gut could be a pro anything back then.
MOUTH-BREATHING PINE NUT!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I'd rather have Cust in there in RF than Carson
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
by cuppingmaster on Jul 23, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually would like to see somebody set Geren on fire.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Jul 23, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Good
Now we can get back to the important task of talking about what a FARKING IDIOT OUR MANAGER IS.
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
I seriously never thought Id be "one of those people"
but this team’s lineup is completely unwatchable. Geren makes me depressed about my team. Here we have JJ Cust who is lighting up EVERYONE since the all-star break, yet we have a completely brain dead manager who clearly dislikes him for whatever reason, wont ever play him against lefties (44 PAs all year = GTFO telling me he’s not good enough) and benches him under the worst circumstances ever.
As it stands, there is ZERO FUCKING REASON for us not to playing this exact same lineup every day:
Barton-Ellis-Penny-Kouz-Zooks-Rosy-Crisp-Raj-Cust
yet we never ever do and instead play utterly worthless players like Fox, Chavez & Gross. WHY???
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
susanslusser
Exact number of games in 2013 in order for Suzuki’s 2014 option to vest: 118. http://tinyurl.com/2fbyvvn #athletics
5 minutes ago via web
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM PDT reply actions
NEW THREAD OPEN
However, you can’t link to it because your option has not been picked up.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If a middle infielder leaves the game
Options are to let the pitcher bat or play Cust at short stop.
by gambler on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That would be entertainment
Cust at short, not the pitcher batting.
We have standards here in the AL.
Fine! You know I don't need two meta threads to get the point. I'll stop talking about my "pigeons" and "cats".
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
I've been on vacation...
and I don’t want to go back and read the 1000+ threads but it sounds as if you came to a good solution, Nico. I think it is wonderful that you listened to the community and that you backed down from your stance. Takes a mature person to do that. Kudos to ya!
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