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The A's just could not unravel Sox pitching tonight.

In a frustrating game that always seemed one big hit from going our way, the A's slipped a game under .500 once again and failed to keep pace with the Rangers, who are Hotter Than July.  Daisuke Matsuzaka was pretty masterful, baffling the Athletics anemic attack on 2 hits through his 6.2 IP, one of which accounted for their lone run on a HR by Rajai Davis.   The Sox then got a tricky 1 1/3 from Daniel Bard, who wriggled out of jams in the 7th and 8th when the A's had their best chances to steal the game.  A second-n-third situation in the 7th fizzled, as did a first-n-second one in the 8th, as Oakland failed to cash in the big hit with RISP and lost for just the second time this season (29-2) when allowing 2 or fewer runs.

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The A's couldn't touch the flamethrowing Bard, and the Tigers didn't help us out either.

Ben Sheets seemed to have no velocity and was seen flexing his elbow in the dugout afterwards, so he may have been out there throwing hurt or at least compromised.  Nonetheless, he gutted out 6.2 IP and held the Red Sox to a sac fly that drove in our old pal Eric Patterson, who had tripled, and a subsequent HR from Adrian Beltre -- who allegedly has a sore hamstring but is still on fire -- in the fateful 4th.  He survived on more offspeed stuff than we've seen from him all year, often resembling Jamie Moyer's more delicate offerings. 

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Gabe was Just Defense tonight, and kinda Gross at the plate.

Gabe Gross made two stellar defensive plays tonight -- making a stunner of a catch in the bullpen and throwing out Kevin "Who Are" Youkilis at 3rd base to end the 7th -- but he was unable to knock in the tying and go-ahead runs in the bottom of the 8th, instead looping out to Beltre to end the threat.  Both bullpens held the line (Jerry Blevins and Michael Wuertz looked great, and Craig Breslow breezed thru the 9th) in what was a very well-pitched ballgame, with Jonathan Papelbon closing it out 1-2-3 in the 9th.

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But you're not gonna win too many games with that amount of hits.

The Athletics will strap it on again tomorrow, sending a hopefully-healed-and-healthy Dallas Braden out to face knuckleball sultan Tim Wakefield in Game 2 of the series.... unfortunately the Detroit Tigers couldn't take advantage in extras against the Rangers and left approximately 403 guys on base in losing to Texas in 14, so the A's fell to 8 back with the loss tonight.  Wakefield was completely torched by those Rangers in his last start at Fenway, so maybe the A's can batter his fluttering flingings and even things up here.  Join AN's awesome Danmerqury, who is twice as mature as I am at half my age, for all the fun and frolicking festivities at 7 PM Tuesday evening and if you're feeling frisky and foodish, come on out to the AN mini-tailgate at 5PM in the Coli parking lot before the game tomorrow evening, at which (I am told) Chris Townsend will corner Mike V with a sharpened microphone stand and demand the recipe for what must surely be, even for an almost-vegetarian such as I, the Greatest Pork Ribs Ever Seasoned by a Human.  See you there or be square!


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Should be better tomorrow if the A’s can find the swing.

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by Hit4TheCycle on Jul 19, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm liking this

Michael Taylor & Chris Carter have combined to go 7-for-12 with 3 HRs and 8 RBIs for Sacramento tonight.

by TBRMKane on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Great Day For Top Level Prospects

Carter – 4 for 6, 2 HRs
Taylor – 3 for 6, 1 HR, 3B
G Green – 4 for 6, HR
Stassi – 2 for 4
J Weeks – 2 for 3, 2B
Donaldson – 1 for 4, HR

by Colorado Fan on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just back from the game....

Nice to see A’s fans outshouting Red Sox fans. I was lucky, surrounded by fellow A’s Warriors, but two seats over, Doctor Pez found himself next to a couple of living-in-Oakland Red Sox fans who knew nothing about the game or their team. He said it was excruciating.

Also excruciating was watching Jack Cust once again pay absolutely no attention to the fact that the Red Sox were willing to give him, as a gift, a bunt double any time he wanted…this was especially excrutiating with a man on first, one out, and one run behind. Of course, as we all know, while a bunt single or double would be a good thing, it would make Jack less of a man, and we know what’s important.

by richwol1 on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

bunts mess up his timin'

so’s he’s not gonna bunt, when a homer is there for the takin’

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He sure hit 'em out tonight

Two strikeouts, a walk, and a liner directly to the right fielder, positioned exactly where he should be and exactly where Cust usually hits the ball.

by richwol1 on Jul 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'm mystified too

I mean, he can bunt!! The A’s are supposed to win ballgames, not impress family (Cust’s) in attendance!

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

And stopped....

…the moment Jason Giambi said that HE would never bunt, implying that it just wasn’t manly.

by richwol1 on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of all the shit to complain about

You’re going with Cust not bunting against the shift.

OK.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably because...

…It’s so obvious.

I could complain about Geren’s use of Gross (though the guy did make a couple of fantastic plays), or how Sheets pitches just well enough to lose the close ones, or the bad approach the A’s took toward Dice-K.

But this one stands out because it’s something that screams at you.

Obviously you love Cust so much that any time anyone says anything bad about the guy, you go ballistic. But that’s about you, not me or Cust.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This response seems like killing the messenger to me.

Nobody is suggesting Cust bunt all the time, but doing it occasionally as he did last year (regardless of if he really stopped at Giambi’s suggestion) makes the other team respect the possibility.

Moreover, yesterday’s game was a tight one against a pitcher that had very good stuff. A baserunner would have been a very valuable commodity for a team that couldn’t manage a hit beyond Rajai’s homer for much of the game. It would have been very wise for him to attempt one.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that.

Again, it’s just that Cust cant’ win with some people. OMG HE JUST TRIES TO DRAW A WALK, OMG HE DOESN’T HIT HRS ANYMORE, OMG STRICKOUTS, and now OMG HE DIDN’T BUNT WHY DIDN’T HE JUST GET ON BASE.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Cust, but I too

wish he would bunt more often against defenses that do a mega-shift against him.

I think you’re reading too much into the post you’re responding to. It didn’t seem like a ZOMG CUST SUCKS STRICKOUTS to me.

You frequently tell us, Mike, that you pay no attention to signatures and often don’t realize who is posting what. But here you say that Cust can’t win “with some people”. How do you know whether the poster in this case is one of those people?

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by iglew on Jul 20, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's got little to do with who actually posts it.

It’s just ironic that no matter what he does, someone is going to bitch about it.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This one stands out

If it had been, say, Gabe Gross, you’d probably be bitching too.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's a joKer. he should change his name to jacK Kust

i’m kidding. i love jack cust. just havin’ some fun.

by stm72 on Jul 20, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,

You get Wakefiled tomorow!

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by bestbostonsports on Jul 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

That might mean something if we didn't have a broken Dallas pitching for us.

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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 20, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am worried too

Tomorrow might be a worse day for Dallas than 11/22/1963, but we can hope for the best.

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by emperor nobody on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was not a bad game...

…for the pitching and defense. To hold the Red Sox to two runs is a very good achievement for this club. Sadly they could not get much of anything going on offense, but of course, we already knew this team is hard of scoring. The good news: we have run prevention to build on for the future. The bad news: we can’t score runs worth a crap against the better teams. Luckily, we will have money to figure that out next year, if there are any free agents willing to accept it.

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by Philip Christy on Jul 20, 2010 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

pure luck.

boston should have destroyed sheets. he has two fucking pitches and one of them was a 85mph 4 seemer. amazing some of the pitches he left up that werent smashed. and then beltre’s insane hit off a great pitch by weurtz. just bizarre.

by pac4eva5 on Jul 20, 2010 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup

Boston in 2010 is not Boston we’re used to seeing….and I hate Eric Patterson even more now! Sheets barely hit 92 last night and was more in the 89 mph range for the most part. I don’t think I have ever seen him throw so much off speed stuff in a game before!

Anyways, the pitching was more than good enough to win and the A’s just wasted another great effort because the offense is just so damned flat against good teams. I’m going to the game tonight and will look for some of you….

Go A’s!

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

one of the most disappointing games of the year

sheets was miserable. we got calls. we got breaks. we got lucky. yet we were so fucking pathetic. a waste of (rare) good fortune…

by pac4eva5 on Jul 20, 2010 5:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Sheets actually wasn't miserable.

He might have been insanely lucky, but to only give up 2 runs when he was throwing 85mph is pretty good.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't the concept of any sport...

to take what the defense GIVES you?

The Sox were GIVING Cust a hit, perhaps a double, he merely had to hit (or bunt) the ball to the left side. It was a free hit.

Are you telling me that in the ninth inning, down by a run, getting on base to lead off the inning isn’t a good thing?

by Dr Pez on Jul 20, 2010 8:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I love this. It's proof that no matter what Cust does, haters will keep hating.

I mean seriously. Cust hit a fucking missile off Papelbon and people are complaining. If he gets under it even a little bit the game is tied.

How about Suzuki swinging at ball four after Bard went 3-0 on him and then gave him a 97mph gift for strike 1, and that’s after Barton walked because Bard couldn’t throw anything even remotely close to the strike zone? If you’re not swinging 3-0 because Bard can’t throw a strike, you better fucking take a second strike as well because you KNOW that the 3-0 pitch is gonna be grooved and called strike 1.

How about Gross’ weak ass pop out to 3rd base to end the 7th after Ellis’ double?

There were way more things to complain about than Cust not bunting into the shift.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apples and Oranges

Suzuki swinging at ball four is a snap decision, and a wrong one. Gross’s pop up was similary a bad swing.

Cust’s decision not to bunt was conscious and consistent.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Cust should have bunted in an earlier AB

But in a one-run game against Papelbon (who has allowed 6 HR in 38 IP) I want him swinging.

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I don't....

The defense was all bundled up on the right side, and that’s exactly where Cust hits the ball. The outfield played him perfectly.

Given where the defense was - I mean this was an ENORMOUS shift - Cust could eke out a double on a bunt.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I looked at Beltre's positioning and concluded that

if Cust pushed a bunt to the left side, if he got it down fair, on the ground, and away from the pitcher, it would be a sure hit but that Beltre would easily run it down in short LF and hold him to a single.

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

On that particular play

Beltre was really close to second base.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was on the second base side of the hole

I think it depends on how hard a bunt Cust would’ve hit.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

But now you're talking about something

that a slugger probably can’t do on command most of the time: Bunt it really hard as well as on the ground, fair, and not at the pitcher. That’s a LOT more difficult than just “making contact.”

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But what I'm saying is that you wouldn't want him

to try to bunt it hard because that’s too hard to do — it requires finesse that you can’t expect a non-bunter to have. To take advantage, you have to ask Cust to do something it’s reasonable to think he could do successfully, and that’s just to make basic gentle contact.

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you mikev

I was saying the same thing to myself watching the game on DVR after I got home from rehearsal last night. Suzuki looked really bad in that partiicular at bat and Gross’ swing to end the 7th was pretty embarassing………

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by mrod on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or proof that Cust fluffers will get irritated about any criticism of him.

All of the things you said were true, and so was it true that Cust could have very profitably bunted. I don’t understand why they’re mutually exclusive.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 20, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cust Fluffer

/T-shirt

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by SwisherThresher on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

so good

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 20, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh, because saying he should bunt is bad criticism?

I can only imagine how much people would have flipped out if he had struck out, too, on top of not bunting..

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fact, if he'd bunted the first time...

You might not have seen the shift the other times. Would it have mattered? Who knows?? But forcing defenses away from the shift opens up a lot of holes.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not bad criticism to say you should take a free base hit.

Base hits are good. So are walks.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

or maybe just try to, ya know, hit the ball the other way...?

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the ground?

The outfield plays straight away. Hitting a ground ball to the opposite side is a lot harder than bunting.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust shouldn't even be in the game in the 9th

When he walked with 1 out in the 7th, Geren should put a pich runner for him (Carson) that would be able to score on Ellis’s double with 2 outs.

We were down by 1, with only 7 outs left, set to face probably the 2 best reliever in Boston (Bard and Papelbon), so what makes Geren think that he needs Cust later in the game? We had our chance on that double, and we wasted because we had the wrong guy running the bases.

Also, why calling up bullpen arms from Triple-A if you are going to use Breaslow and Blevings anyway? Both of them has come up from the bullpen in 3 of our last 4 games, with the starting pitcher going deep in the game every single time. Why not using H-Rod or Wolf yesterday? Is he looking to trade Breaslow or to send him to the DL? Poorly managed game, specially on the late innings

by crfan2010 on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Carson

I think he still might have been thrown out if he had tried to go first to home on that. The chances of Cust’s baserunning hurting us there was worth it to give him another at bat later in the game instead of Carson.

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by johnjahafanclub on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. No one scores on that -- hit too hard, carom too clean.

Nothing you can do about it.

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by Nico on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

when I worked as a janitor at an auto-dealer

the carom was never too clean.

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by ak_A on Jul 20, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF

That was a horrible lineup. The stats go as follows when this lineup was set.

BA vs. RHP;BA for last ten games.

Crisp- .194, .150
Barton- .255, .139
Suzuzi- .273, .220
Cust- .290, .229
Rosales- .259, .378
Ellis- .288, .306
Gross- .270, .103
Davis- .254, .303
Pennington-.275, .357

Notice how the averages get better as you get toward the bottom of the lineup.

Didn’t play-

Sweeney- .307, .297 Best Average vs. RHP on team

They need to stop this beauty contest, and start doing their homework.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Tonight's game IMHO

Lineup vs. Wakefield

Davis .254, .303 – speed and average
Rosalez .259, .378 – hot hitter
Pennington .257, .357 – best o/a
Suzuki .273, .220 – slumping but hit 2 home runs off of Wakefield this year I believe
Cust .290, .229 – solid against righty and power
Kouzmanoff .260, .275 – solid and power
Ellis .288, .306 – solid
Sweeney .307, .297 – solid
Gross .270, .103 – solid against righty

This lineup is without bias… purely statistical in my baseball opinion

We could still get owned by Wakefield, but let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot out of the gates

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except for....

1. Ryan Sweeney is out for the season, so putting him in the #8 spot is kinda, well, impossible.
2. Rajai Davis has an OBP of .312, which makes him less than an ideal lead-off guy.
3. Daric Barton? You forgot Daric Barton. Knuckleballers issue a lot of walks. You want Barton in the line-up.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

ahh man

sucks about Sweeney where have I been. Barton is in a slump. Maybe best choice if Sweeneys out.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would almost rather go with Powell

.250 vs. RHP, .286 last ten games

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

pinch hit Barton and Crisp

when lefty comes in to pitch

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Davis

last ten games .303 BA…. could put Cliff up there though

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

and it'll be even higher after tonight

because ten games ago he went 0 for 6, so unless he pulls that off tonight…. let’s hope not

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that Pennington's slump coincided with his move to the top of the order

It’s possible that’s coincidence; or it’s possible it’s something psychological. But given how Pennington’s been hitting, I wouldn’t do anything to shift whatever’s going on.

It’s counter-intuitive because he’s no speedster, but I’d consider putting Barton at the top of the line-up. The guy, slumping or not, has an OBP of .381, second on the team (Cust is first at .385) … and nobody else comes close.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's batting .139

in the last ten games. Why leave him up there? Because we love him. That’s BS. He should play toward the top of the order vs. lefty since his BA is .319 vs. LHP. Other than that, put him in the bottom or take him out until he pulls out of this slump. Last full season he played he batted like .230 and went straight to the minors at the end of the year. We need to keep that from happening again. I hope he gets fired up soon. I like his turn around.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's still getting on base through walks

It’s getting on base that counts, not hits, at the top of the order.

by richwol1 on Jul 20, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you read way too much into a small sample

Making decisions about ten game samples is not the right way to do.

by Rio on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing Porcupine

I was thinking to myseld last night how I’d like to see a shakeup at the top of the order with Rajai and Pennington up at the top and move Coco down to maybe 7th in the order.

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by mrod on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think Coco

needs time off till we go up against a lefty. He bats a stellar .333 against leftys.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

vs.

.194 against RHP and batting .150 in his last 10 games

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jul 20, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

myself*

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

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