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(Bill) Duke Neukom and MLB's Antitrust Exemption

Preface: Let's please refrain from the Oakland vs. SJ banter here and instead focus on what may happen from the Giants side if the Blue Ribbon Panel appointed by Selig recommends a move dispelling the territorial rights for SJ.

I'm about 5000 miles away from my beloved Bay Area at the tail end of a 5 week whirlwind busin ess trip through Vietnam, HK, and mainland China en route to Shanghai. Usually on these types of flights, they offer beautiful flight attendants, "unique" Chinese food which you'll need some Peptol Bismol later for, and some local propaganda material often called "periodicals" to read aboard to pass time away. So for the next 3 hours, i get my usual dosage of the Financial Times, The China South Seas Daily, and the International Herald (which is the global edition of the NY Times). 

As i peruse through the articles, between reading about a Chinese tourist group was berated for being cheap in HK and how to choose a proper Chinese penis dish, suddenly one jumps out at me: an interview with A's public enemy #1, Bill "Duke" Neukum. They detail a man who was lucky to be assigned to Microsoft early on (through Bill Gate's father) and ascended to the top to be MIckeysoft's general counsel advising on all legal matters, especially that of the US governments attempts on anti-trust. With the previous Gnats owner, Peter McGowan, departing, the #1 business issue on the Gnat's radar was the A's pending move. So, is it no wonder that the GoG (Gnat's ownership Group) selected Duke as the new general managing partner during this transitional period: if he can give the middle finger to Uncle Sam, he definitely do the same to Selig and the A's!

Turning back to the rest of the article, they directly approach upon the territorial rights issue of the SJ  and he was very, very adamant on the matter: All your base are belong to us! Furthermore, if MLB does recommend rescinding these rights, DUke would pull out his lawyer-whoop-ass-Neukom-BFG5000 and slap MLB and the city of SJ silly with a lawsuit the size of the Windows source code. Would you expect anything less out of a lawyer, especially in the state of California?!

Before we can make some logical conclusions on these statements, we must delve into the legal and historical side of things a bit. Established in 1922, Base ball was given the Antitrust Exemption (AE) clause to have unconditional authority on matters related to their league w/o respect to laws that prevent monopolistic tendencies and also to make sure Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio would stop dating Congressman's wives. At the time, Supreme Court judges were not required to take Geography in school and made this decision on the notion that was MLB was a "local" matter and would be exempt from federal commerce regulation even though the league was interstate.

This was challenged a couple of times in MLB's history: 1) 1953 when something people don't know or cared happened 2) again in 1972 when Curt Flood wanted to change his last name, but was rejected by MLB owners. This escalated to the Supreme court who were scared that baseball players would date their wives and ruled that it was a congressional matter and not judicial. With this in mind, after the 1994-1995 labor dispute, it was agreed by the owners and MLBPA to not date congressional wives and instead actors, movie stars, and singers (see A.Roid) and also request an appeal of some of the AE to Congress. This brought forth the 1998 Curt Flood Act which gave the MLBPA rights as a union consistent with other major sports to date those actors, movie stars, and singers. It also reaffirmed that the AE (and more specifically MLB and its owners) governs what, where, how, and who MLB can date including those in the minor leagues, broadcasting booths, and ownership circles. Oh, they also put in a little FYI. at the end that also says they can also tell you where a team can RELOCATE to take care of the last W! And just to be clear, they also put a P.S. at the very end again reconfirming their dating exclusion deal with Congress so that the Supreme Court could not change any part of their wtf-was-i thinking-when-i-signed this deal. 

So now where does this lead us? Let's stroll down memory lane and pretend we've been listening to too much KNBR back in 1992 and mimicing Roger Craig's "Hmmm Baby" matra. At the time, the Gnats owner, Bob Lurie, wanted to sell the team and relocate to Tampa Bay hoping to rename it the Giant Manta Rays. But other MLB owners refused to permit the sale because they were pissed off they couldn't watch new episodes of Steve Irwin! This eventually forced Lurie to sell to a local owner Peter Magowan with the A's blessing to SJ because the organization was run by real angels (RIP Haas). The 1998 Curt Flood act added this aspect of relocation clause in case there were any questions about the authority over relocation from this event. In other words, the Gnats did this on purpose knowing the A's were going to try to move in SJ 25 years later - omgwtfbbq!

As we all know, the Blue Ribbon Panel assigned by Selig is in its 16 month now of burning MLBs money of this so called "investigation". It took much less time to publish the MLB steroid findings, have Shanghai build the SWFC skyscraper, or the FBI to figure we have stupid Russian agents on US soil. So what's taking them so long? I think there are several clues to this starting with the Open Letter from Larry Stone to Duke which states: "Duke, don't be so 1998. Remember your father Duke. Use the Force." or something like that. I'm pretty confident that after MLB officals were schmoozing with SJ, they were confident they can get enough owners to get on board. However, after discussion with Duke, he wanted more and threatened to use the only things he knows and loves to do: more litigation. However, this would be futile since the MLB constitution prohibits owners to go all suicide on each other, well unless he can challenge the supreme guidance of the AE. With Duke having intimate knowledge of the government judicial system as well as knowing vast amounts of lawyers coast to coast, and having the funding to back it up (he is one of the world's richest man after all),  I'm sure Selig is trying to come to some compromise with Duke as well as prepare his own team for defense. The last thing that Selig wants to do is to wipe away the AE over Oakland, which would be a small pawn in Duke's overall strategy to checkmate Selig and the AE. If Duke were ever to effectively challenge the AE, and make it a judicial matter again, Wolff and SJ could face years upon years of litigation to stall any move to SJ (and this is on top of the years to challenge the AE). I'm no lawyer, but this is the end game as I see it.

Credits: 

Baseball Prospectus: Ending Baseball's Antitrust Exemption 

Beyond the Boxscore: he History of Baseball's Antitrust Exemption

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Good writing...

but the unfairness of it all is so upsetting.

by IM4Oakgal on Jul 17, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

It's sad..

just a little oversight by Sandy Alderson caused all of this:

"The mistake on our part—and I take responsibility for it—was not to get a sunset clause," said Alderson, who later served as a Selig deputy and the CEO of the San Diego Padres. "And 16 years later, it remains an issue."

Now, pitching for San Jose…

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden

"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo

by ST on Jul 17, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's something that'll bake your noodle

I’ve heard that Selig and DuPuy are earnestly trying to bring the two teams to the table, but they are so far apart on the T-rights matter that’s Selig will likely have to rule on it.

How far apart? Here are the owners’ relative stances (just heard recently):

Wolff’s preferred position: Make the Bay Area a shared two-team market, with no county designations for individual teams. No compensation to the Giants.

Wolff’s fallback position: Minimal compensation to the Giants, but only after the move and measured relative to historic revenue figures for both teams. Santa Clara County would be a shared territory, all other counties remain as is.

Neukom’s preferred position: Keep the A’s stuck with the East Bay and wait them out so that they are forced to move. Giants would pay massive compensation to the A’s for them to leave the Bay Area, which they would make up with huge increased franchise value.

Neukom’s fallback position: Status quo.

by vertig0 on Jul 17, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

that is brutal...

but sounds about right. Where did you hear this? Neukom stated recently that he feels very strongly that the territorial rights are fundamentally important to the Giants success as a business enterprise and he will fight to uphold these rights. That spells trouble for our A’s. It seems as though Selig will not rule against the Giants…why else would he wait so long when the resolution is obvious. It’s clear that both teams are not going to agree on this matter. It is also clear, crystal even, that the A’s can NOT survive in Oakland. If baseball denies the South Bay to the A’s then Wolfe will either sell or move our team out of California. If he sells then this process will start all over again…or the new owner will move them as well…either way, I have a strong feeling this is going to get real ugly.

by TheDream on Jul 18, 2010 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is also clear, crystal even, that the A’s can NOT survive in Oakland.
Preface: Let’s please refrain from the Oakland vs. SJ banter here

The Oakland-sucks people just can’t deal with not saying Oakland sucks.

by JonathanNathan on Jul 18, 2010 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Occasionally

I get good info from reliable sources.

by vertig0 on Jul 18, 2010 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I posted this in another thread

but about a month ago I went to a small meeting where Larry Baer got up and talked about the business of baseball (quite interesting) and then fielded some questions. Inevitably someone asked him about the territorial rights, he sighed, and then he explained that the Giants feel it is integral to their business model to include Silicon Valley as their territory. The logic goes that people in the Bay are used to the North/South commute from the south bay to SF, and that there really isn’t any sort of reverse commute (save the few people who live in SF and work on the peninsula). He also said that when Bill Neukom bought the team from Magowan, he had factored the territorial rights strongly into the equation, and perhaps rightfully so: over the last 20 years, all 30 MLB teams have re-affirmed the Giants’ territorial rights to San Mateo and Santa Clara counties, including the A’s. Couple this with the fact that the SF Giants are now majority owners of the SJ Giants, and, well, SF is going to brawl for Santa Clara county.

Looking at the issue from all sides, the only thing that the A’s have going for them is the precedent of the commissioner’s office ruling that territorial rights are moot; ie the Baltimore/Washington case when the Nats moved from Montreal. Even then, the commish got Peter Angelos to come to the table and agree to a huge summary payment from the Expos/Nats ownership group and I believe part of their TV revenue (too lazy to research, please feel free to correct me). If Bud and the blue ribbon committee indeed rule in favor of San Jose for the A’s, Bill will have to come to the table, unless he’s legitimately eyeballing the dismantling of AT, as suggested by the OP (which, I agree with Zonis below – if he tries to dismantle AT, he’s going to have hell to pay with the other 29 owners).

by noava22 on Jul 18, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't precedents from other leagues without Antitrust exemptions apply in this situation?

"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would think so.

I’m using the Raiders as a primary example, of course.

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants do have some legitimate points, but...

…the minor league SJ Giants thing is such a non-issue as to be completely laughable. When an MLB team moves in, the minor league team moves out. May be a nominal fee involved, but it just is.

They could always be the Oakland Giants. They’d have the biggest stadium in the California League, too. :-p

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except SJ is A ball

their AAA affiliate is in Fresno.

So we actually have a shorter link between AAA and the bigs

by noava22 on Jul 19, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well that's just poor planning.

Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples

by DMOAS on Jul 19, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

T-rights are not moot

The Bay Area is not the same situation as Washington-Baltimore, in terms of how territories were defined and the possible motivation for future changes.

Prior to the Expos’ move, the O’s didn’t have rights to DC outright, except in terms of television. Their encroachment into the District was defined as 15 miles beyond the county lines of certain Maryland counties near DC. Due to the irregular shape of those county lines, the 15-mile zone included parts of DC, including part of the land where RFK stadium sits. The owners saw that they would make $200 million off the move, so getting rid of that gray area was considered trivial. Now the 15-mile rule doesn’t exist, AFAIK.

Here, the defined territories are much more clear cut and thus, harder to negotiate regardless of how they came about in the first place. Selig has said numerous times that the Giants’ T-rights are real, meaning they have some value even if no one’s willing to quantify it.

I’ve said in the past that what Neukom is theatening is the nuclear option, since it would launch all manner of related lawsuits. Neukom isn’t really in the position to sue MLB regarding the antitrust exemption because he’d be arguing against himself. What upholds the definition of territories is the same thing that gives the commissioner and the owners discretion in making those decisions. Neukom could sue MLB for breach of contract, but he can’t sue San Jose on the same grounds so no contract with the city exists. The other side of the nuclear option is that SJ civic groups can turn around and sue the Giants and MLB – on antitrust grounds. In that case they’d have a very good argument, and probably plenty of financial and political backing – not to mention the long memories of Neukom’s tenure as MSFT’s chief counsel.

Is Neukom crazy enough to unleash that? As a stalling tactic, perhaps. As a way to win over fans and the owners by opening that Pandora’s Box? Not so much. T-rights have almost mythical power in the fact that they haven’t been legally challenged, at least not to completion.

by vertig0 on Jul 18, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

SJ would likely have silent backing from the A's as well

With a conveniently silent majority owner who doesn’t have team control potentially helping to fund it.

Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples

by DMOAS on Jul 18, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I read
… when Bill Neukom bought the team from Magowan, he had factored the territorial rights strongly into the equation, and perhaps rightfully so … SF is going to brawl for Santa Clara county … the commish got Peter Angelos to come to the table and agree to a huge summary payment …

Neukom doesn’t expect to win this argument. I’m not sure he even believes his argument. What he believes is that he can lawyer it into a big pile of cash for the Giants. That’s what this is all about.

He’s like the guy who sued the Coliseum for discrimination when he didn’t get a pink hat. That guy didn’t want a hat. He just thought he could get some money out of it.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 18, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, Lew's the guy suing for the pink hat hoping to get some money out of it

He saw MLB give the Nats Angelos’ territorial rights with minimal compensation/negotiation, and thinks he deserves the same.

Lew’s negotiating position is even more intractable/ridiculous/maximalist than Neukom’s. If the Giant are actually offering “massive” relocation monies, I expect that Fisher will simply angle for a very-slightly-more-“massive” contraction buyout as a simpler route to better ROI.

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where do you get that from?

Nowhere have I heard, including from my SJ sources, that Wolff is threatening or has ever threatened to sue.

Massive equals well into the nine-figure range, or at least one-third the team’s current valuation. The calculus is not so simple. By the time we get around to the next window of contraction, the cost will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $800 million to $1 billion for 2 teams, which all of the remaining owners would have to dig into their pockets for with no immediate or short-term return. The only franchise it would benefit is SF, whose revenues wouldn’t rise enough to make it worthwhile for MLB as a whole.

If there’s an “easy” option, it’s to take the buyout and leave. Wherever they ended up they’d still be small market/low revenue.

by vertig0 on Jul 18, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should add

A buyout would almost certainly be cancelled out by the loss of Cisco as naming rights sponsor. They could get somewhere else with diminishing returns.

by vertig0 on Jul 18, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

or maybe a rebus?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jul 18, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really isn't clear the A's can't survive in Oakland

It’s just clear that Lew Wolff doesn’t want to be there, which is no surprise. He never has. Nor did the Schott regime, for that matter. They wanted Santa Clara.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 18, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 18, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand how/why Neukom would sue

If he does sue, and overturn the Anti Trust Exemption, the A’s move to San Jose. This is assuming he could sue.

If he DOES try to sue, and press it, he’d likely get expelled from the lodge, and all the MLB owners would turn against him.

by Zonis on Jul 18, 2010 1:14 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As I stated
If Duke were ever to effectively challenge the AE, and make it a judicial matter again, Wolff and SJ could face years upon years of litigation to stall any move to SJ (and this is on top of the years to challenge the AE).

This tactic worked effectively against the government during the MS anti-trust proceedings to continually appeal and add more litigation until the other side was completely exhausted mentally and financially from the BS.

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden

"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo

by ST on Jul 18, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

MORE freely being the key word.

Unless someone’s gonna pull an Al Davis and prepare to be tied up in court afterwards, teams still get approval and backing of their respective leagues before they move.

"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 18, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

It makes it easier to get blessings, sure.

But, now that Davis has set the precedent, I don’t see any future court cases being nearly as involved or costly.

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jul 18, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right about that.

"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except the alternative for Wolff and the A's is to stay put and keep fighting it

No other option has as high viability as where they’re at right now. And all they’d need is to win twice. Once to get the rights, the second time to keep them from stop building in SJ while they go through the appeals process. Sure all of that may take a decade to go through, but what else are they going to do?

Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples

by DMOAS on Jul 18, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that my friend

is the Neukum play…..litigation after litigation after litigation. I think Larry Stone is aware of this and sent that public plea to him in attempts of landing a deal before this starts.

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden

"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo

by ST on Jul 18, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What an A$$!

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jul 19, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

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