MLB Draft Day 2
This thread is meant to start today's discussion for Day 2 of the MLB Draft, which covers round 2 through 30 today. I'm sure it will require an overflow thread eventually and hopefully someone else can handle that.
I was very pleased with the A's selection of Michael Choice at No. 10 overall yesterday. As soon as I saw Colon taken by the Royals at No. 4, I had a feeling that a better-than-expected talent was going to drop to the A's, and indeed it did. I'm glad the organization didn't spend the pick on Zack Cox, despite Cox's pre-draft hype.
Signing bonus demands aside, what scares me about Cox is the lack of isolated power, even with an aluminum bat. Too much of a risk that he hits like Sean Burroughs at the pro level for me. I'm reminded of the Moneyball maxim that "power is the last tool to develop," but I also remember that logic was being applied to a young Jason Giambi in the book, and hindsight helps us realize that lots of young mid-90s slugging prospects saw their "power tool develop" for a different reason.
In the post-steroid era I have a theory that only the very best natural athletes are going to be able to generate legitimate, year-to-year home run power at the Major League level. Carter, Taylor, and Choice all fit the bill. They are very impressive physical specimens who can generate more bat speed and power than just about anyone at the minor league level.
I think the organization has made a conscious effort to target more athletic players in the last three years through the draft and through trades and Choice fits the profile. This approach works for me, because ultimately the A's need to hit a home run on a few position players in the draft. The best way to do that is to draft some guys that have high ceilings, despite their low floors. I think we've seen the end of the Danny Putnam, low-ceiling, high-floor, "great pitch recognition and all-around average tools" draft picks at the top of the draft, and I for one am pleased about that. You can find those guys in free agency at prices that even the A's can afford every year. They need to draft potential stars, even with the high(er) bust rate of toolsy, low-floor guys.
Now, on to some Day 2 thoughts...
Today is rounds 2 through 30. I'm not sure if there are compensatory picks from last year's draft in play for the next two rounds, but assuming there aren't, the A's first two picks today are:
Round 2, No. 60 overall
Round 3, No. 90 overall
These two picks are worth highlighting as they stand out from the other 27 selections the A's will make today. Why? Per Cot's Contracts:
- If a team does not sign its pick in the first two rounds (including the supplemental round between the two), it receives a compensatory selection in the following year's Rule 4 Draft that is one pick after the slot of the player who did not sign.
- If a team does not sign its third-round selection, it receives a compensatory selection in a new supplemental round between the third and fourth rounds in the following year's draft.
In other words, the A's could draft a high school player who is perceived to be "unsignable" in these next two rounds, and even if that player chooses to go to college, the A's haven't really lost much. They've simply bumped that No. 60 overall pick in '10 to a No. 61 overall pick in '11, or bumped the No. 90 overall in '10 to pick No. 110ish in '11.
Do you see where I'm going here?
Wilson, a toolsy Southern-Californian OF with a very strong commitment to Stanford, was projected to be drafted in the first round yesterday, but remained unpicked through the supplemental round as well. He was left off this list of "Day 2 best available players"; perhaps that's an author's oversight or perhaps it's reflective of his rock-solid college commitment, and perceived bonus demands that could reach $4-6M.
No one took Wilson in Round 1 because of the greater opportunity cost. It's really painful to not sign a first-round pick and wait another full year to add an impact player to the system. But in Round 2 and 3, with the best top-tier talent off the board, it makes more sense to take a chance on Wilson, given that there's still that soft pillow to land on if he doesn't sign - the compensatory pick the following year.
Someone will take him in Round 2 or Round 3 today, in part because he's a great talent that's fallen, and in part because of the compensatory pick security blanket. It might be a team that misses out on the player it was targeting in 2-3, or is low-budget, and consciously takes Wilson with almost no intention of signing him.
Should the A's draft Wilson today? Vote in the poll, debate in the comments, and write about other interesting prospects you hope the A's will select today.
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I don't get the Wilson hype
Guy is extra raw even for a typical toolsy prep player and he won’t start the talks below $3M. Sure, there’s some chance he’s a future superstar but laying all those eggs in that imperfect basket is just not my cup of tea.
I expect the A’s will draft Yordy Cabrera in the second round. Cabrera was apparently Plan C or D to Choice in the first round, and if they can get him with the #60 pick, they will do it. Pick #90 I expect a college pitchability lefty or something from that alley. After that, who knows.
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I love your Joe Morgan quote in your sig
What was the context of it? Baffling.
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by notsellingjeans on Jun 8, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He was discussing Phillies run scoring struggles since Rollins went on the DL
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I think you make a good point here.
I think the organization has made a conscious effort to target more athletic players in the last three years through the draft and through trades and Choice fits the profile. This approach works for me, because ultimately the A’s need to hit a home run on a few position players in the draft. The best way to do that is to draft some guys that have high ceilings, despite their low floors. I think we’ve seen the end of the Danny Putnam, low-ceiling, high-floor, “great pitch recognition and all-around average tools” draft picks at the top of the draft, and I for one am pleased about that. You can find those guys in free agency at prices that even the A’s can afford every year. They need to draft potential stars, even with the high(er) bust rate of toolsy, low-floor guys.
Some skills are “over valued” for a reason… they’re necessary. Other skills are also “under valued” for a reason… the skill is a nice compliment but not a big deal and/or the player himself is questionable (i.e.: perpetually injured, glaring weakness, etc.).
Pitching and defense wins pennants, but offense sells tickets.
"more athletic players"
The A’s selected three very toolsy African-American players with their first three picks today. I’m excited about all three guys after reading their player bios. There has been a huge, desperately needed infusion of athleticism into this organization in the last 3 years.
I can’t remember the last time the A’s picked three consecutive African-Americans at the top of a draft.
Here’s a cool article on Shipman, the third-round pick today:
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by notsellingjeans on Jun 8, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure why the race of A's draft picks is significant?
Is there some significance here that I’m missing?
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by jeepers on Jun 10, 2010 9:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just to throw this in...
Choice is expected to sign for slot money and the A’s have been willing to spend a little extra over the past couple years. However… Wilson would require a HUGE cash investment and it would probably rule out any additional over-slot signings. It might even impact the A’s ventures in Latin America, where Oakland is said to be the lead canidate to sign one of the top hitting prospects from Venezuela.
So NSJ… are you willing to forsake all others in the pursuit of Wilson?
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Wouldn't one of the top hitting prospects from Venezuela be even more raw than Wilson?
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And cost at least a third less
Allowing the A’s to add a couple other above-slot signings.
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Go cap in hand to Chavez. Ask for some of our money back.
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definitely not
I’m just now getting back to baseball and this thread this afternoon. My vote in my poll above was the “take him with a later pick” option.
Right now it’s past pick #260 and Austin Wilson’s still not off the board, so…I’m glad the A’s didn’t rush to grab him, that’s for sure. :)
I’m also very excited about our picks at the top of this draft.
Adding Wilson in round 10ish, even with only a ~5% chance of signing him, would be the cherry on top of an excellent A’s draft for me.
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by notsellingjeans on Jun 8, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Round 12? Pick 379? That’s a long fall, regardless of how tough he is to sign.
There were a lot of near-worthless guys picked in the two rounds right in front of him.
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by notsellingjeans on Jun 8, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. I'd have to assume he's almost 100% committed to going to Stanford.
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My Thoughts
I like the A’s decision to draft Michael Choice. He is a very talented player with some flaws that I believe can be fixed. I am a hard core BPA available guy, but it is a nice bonus to see the A’s get a player with the potential to hit with power and patience. Remember when the “Moneyball A’s” were supposedly all about power and patience? I miss those days.
There should be some real gems available with the 60th pick. I would love the A’s to draft and sign someone like Brett Eibner, Stetson Allie, A.J. Cole or Yordy Cabrera. My personal favorite is A.J. Cole, who could reportedly be signed for mid-first round money.
I would avoid Wilson until the fifth round or later. There is almost no chance of signing him, and every team knows this. There are too many good players available to waste the 60th pick on a longshot, and there should be good players available in the 3rd and 4th round as well.
Choice reminds me of Wendell Fairley
a guy the Giants drafted a few seasons ago. Athletic center fielder with good power potential and some knocks on his swing mechanics. The Giants were certain they had a steal and knew this was a work in progress. He looked good the first season in AZL then notched 103 Ks in under 400 ABs at A level. He’s calmed down in San Jose this season and his swing is looking much better. I just hope the A’s farm system has the patience and swing instructors capable of helping this kid get to the majors.
I hope he's not Fairley
Although the dude shares my birthday, he’s been terrible. 5 HRs in nearly 750 professional PAs? He has around .320 as his career SLG. He may have “power potential” but that is beyond awful. Choice should start out at A ball though, so he’s gotta be more polished.
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Take Yordy Cabrera in the second, maybe take Wilson in the third
I love the idea of taking the second toolsiest player in the draft past Harper. But, in practice, he’s so raw, so expensive, and so unlikely to sign I’m not sure he’s worth it. As a third rounder I take the risk. As a second rounder? Not so much.
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You mean because a normal 2nd rounder might actually amount to something?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 8, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
For what it's worth...
Kevin Goldstein seems to really like the A’s draft. This is from his twitter:
#Athletics just killing it so far.
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck
Power is the last tool to develop
is a common belief and has nothing to do with steroids. Eric Hosmer is considered one of the best power hitting prospects in the minors. You know how many homers he has in his 602 MiLB at bats? Eight. This year, he has 20 doubles, 4 triples, and 2 homers, but he’s big strong, and 20 years old, and a lot of those doubles are gonna become homers. Miguel Cabrera hit 9 homers in a full season of A-ball at 19. People say power is the last tool to develop because it is. I’m not saying we should have drafted Cox (like most people here, I’ve never seen any of these guys play), but let’s try not to invoke talk about the “post-steroid era” willy nilly.
And really, is there any reason to believe testing has led to a different sort of game being played, or even less PEDs being used? In 2009, AL teams averaged 4.75 runs/game and hit 178 HRs per team. In 2002, pre-testing, AL teams scored 4.81 runs/game and average 176 HRs (I’m not intentionally data mining, those are the first two years I looked at). I know offense is supposed to be down a little bit this year, but I think talk of a post-steroid era is probably a bit premature.
I can't go in the other thread because there are too many comments
I hope some smart person will write a draft day re-cap for me us.
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I would disagree with that :-)
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Good link to follow the draft with:
Names and a little scouting report.
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oh nice
thanks for that.
we drafted an andrew bailey and a bobby geren. i guess we’re officially in the comedy portion of the draft.
by mk on Jun 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I mentioned that in the other thread.
Geren is erm….Geren’s son.
Apparently Judge and Smith will be hard signs. Both look like they have something though.
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Well shit, I'll delete the fanpost I started doign just that.
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thanks
that was very helpful, I wasn’t looking for anything deeper than that.
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The MLB.com Draft Tracker thinks:
44th round pick, Lonnie Kauppila, (SS – Burbank HS) is an absolute whizz with the glove, but they don’t know if his bat will ever play in the pros. Apparently he’s got a commitment to Stanford.
By the looks of it the A’s have just taken flyer after flyer in the later rounds. Hopefully some of them pay off.
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I wonder if the A's will sign any of them
Rarely see teams sign high school kids drafted in the later rounds.
Would have greatly preferred Josh Sale
But Choice is a perfectly acceptable pick.
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