6/4-6/6 Around the Minors
by noava22 on Jun 7, 2010 5:59 AM PDT
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Sacramento
Tacoma 2, Sacramento 0 (6/4)
Wimberly, LF: 0/4
Donaldson, C: 1/3, BB
Carter, 1B: 0/4, K
Carson, CF: 0/3
Taylor, RF: 0/3
Sogard, 2B: 0/3, K
Demel, RP: 1.0 IP, 0 ER, 1 K
Notes: Sacto only got 3 hits
Sacramento 3, Fresno 4 (6/5)
Wimberly, SS: 2/4, R, 2B, K, 2 SB (24)
Carson, CF: 1/4, R, HR (5), RBI, BB, SB (9)
Donaldson, C: 1/2, 2B, 2 RBI, BB
Carter, 1B: 1/3, BB, E (9)
Taylor, RF: 0/4, K
McPherson, DH: 2/4
Sogard, 2B: 1/4, R
Notes: Dallas McPherson returns from the DL.
Sacramento 6, Fresno 8 (6/6)
Wimberly, SS: 1/5 .282/.368/.326, 75% success rate on SB (24/32)
Carson, CF: 2/5, R, HR (6), RBI, K, CS .280/.353/.517, 75% SB success rate (9/12)
Donaldson, DH: 0/3, R, BB, K .289/.367/.523
Carter, LF/1B: 1/3, R, 2B, BB, K .238/.341/.481
McPherson, 1B: 2/3, R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, K .324/.361/.647 in 9 games
Taylor, PH/RF: 0/1, K .231/.291/.378
Recker, C: 1/3, R, HR (3), 2 RBI, BB, 2 K .227/.283/.392
Sogard, 2B: 1/3, BB, E (6) .286/.377/.350
Halama, SP: 5 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, ND
Storey, RP: 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, K
Midland Rockhounds
Midland 1, Tulsa 2 (6/4)
Horton, SS: 0/3, BB, K
Valdez, 3B: 1/4, RBI, K
Brown, CF: 1/4, 2B, K
Peterson, LF: 0/4, E (2)
Sulentic, RF: 1/2, R, BB
Figueroa, SP: 5.2 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 5 K -> Loss (1-5) 11 GS, 60.2 IP, 4.75 ERA, 26:49 BB:K
Midland 9, NW Arkansas 14 (6/5)
Valdez, SS: 2/4, RBI, BB, K
Brown, CF: 3/5, 3 R, HR (3), 2 RBI
Sulentic, DH: 2/5, 2B, 2 RBI,
Ortiz, C: 1/4, BB, 2 K
Hernandez, SP: 3.1 IP, 8 H, 7 ER, BB, 3K
Friend, RP: 1.2 IP, 3 H, 6 R (3 ER), 3 BB, K -> Loss (1-1)
Midland 1, NW Arkansas 6 (6/6)
Horton, SS: 1/4, K .255/.336/.343
Valdez, 3B: 0/3, R, BB, K .291/.352/.493
Brown, CF: 1/4 .351/.356/.596
Peterson, DH: 0/3 .238/.327/.304
Capra, SP: 3.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 6 BB, 1 K 11 GS, 4-6, 4.09 ERA, 50.2 IP, 32:44 BB:K
Lansford, RP: 1 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 1 K 16 G, 2-0, 2.89 ERA, 5 SV, 18.2 IP, 9:14 BB:K
Stockton
Stockton 1, Visalia 3 (6/4)
Mitchell, CF: 0/4, 2 K
Green, SS: 0/4, 3 K
Spina, 1B: 0/4, 3 K
Parker, 3B: 0/3
Barfield, RF: 2/3, 2B, RBI
Paramore, C: 0/3, 3 K
Madsen, SP: 4 IP, 5 H, 3 R (2 ER), 4 BB, 5 K
Stockton 9, Visalia 2 (6/5)
Mitchell, CF: 2/5, R, 3B (2), RBI, K
Green, SS: 1/4, RBI, K, E (17)
Parker, 3B: 3/4, R, 2 2B, BB, K, E (10)
Spina, 1B: 1/4, R, HR (9), 3 RBI, BB, 2 K
Barfield, RF: 3/5, 2 R, HR (6), RBI, K
Ladendorf, 2B: 1/4, R, BB
Paramore, C: 2/4, 2 R, 2B, RBI, BB, K .243/.381/.338
Murray, SP: 5 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 K -> Win (4-3) 11 G, 10 GS, 57 IP, 3.95 ERA, 26:45 K:BB
Smyth, RP: 1 IP, H, 0 ER, 1 K 21 G, 2-1, 8 SV, 1.64 ERA, 33 IP, 7:32 BB:K
Stockton 3, Visalia 11 (6/6)
Mitchell, CF: 1/5, 2 K .274/.361/.411
Green, SS: 4/5, 2 R, 2 2B, K .308/.351/.421
Parker, 1B: 1/4, 2 K .304/.413/.500
Spina, DH: 0/4, RBI, K .236/.322/.410
Barfield, RF: 1/4, RBI, K .288/.368/.429
Ladendorf, 3B: 1/4, 2B, K .260/.296/.339
Ortiz, C: 2/3, R, HR (4), RBI, BB .277/.394/.470
Haviland, SP: 4 IP, 6 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K -> Loss (5-2) 12 GS, 3.97 ERA, 65.2 IP, 15:70 BB:K
Hunter, RP: 1.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K 9 G, 6.23 ERA, 8.2 IP, 7:15 BB:K
Kane County
Kane County 3, Bowling Green 2 (6/4)
Stassi, DH: 1/4, R, 2B
Gil, 3B: 1/4, R, HR (6), RBI
Dixon, RF: 2/3, R, 2B, BB, K
Krol, SP: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 K -> Win (3-2) 12 G, 11 GS, 2.03 ERA, 57.2 IP, 12:46 BB:K
Hoehn, RP: 2.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Kane County 15, Bowling Green 11 (6/5)
House, CF: 1/4, 2 R, BB, K
Gil, 3B: 0/5, 3 R, BB, K
Aliotti, 1B: 3/4, 3 R, 2B, HR (1), 4 RBI, BB, K
Gilmartin, SS: 2/5, R, 2 2B, 3 RBI, BB, K
Dixon, RF: 1/5, R, RBI, BB, 3 K, E (1)
Stassi, C: 2/4, R, 2B, HR (8), 3 RBI, BB, E (8) .249/.325/.432, 17 BB: 62 K
Notes: Juan Nunez, starting C, pulled in bottom 1 after allowing 2 consecutive SB.
Kane County 6, Bowling Green 11 (6/6)
Crumbliss, 2B: 1/4, 2 R, BB .237/.396/.309, 11/16 sb, 52 BB: 38 K
House, CF: 1/5, 2 K .232/.386.245
Walton, DH: 1/5, RBI, 3 K .289/.344/.444
Gil, 3B: 1/5, 2 R, K, E (11) .228/.281/.393
Aliotti, 1B: 1/4, R, 2B, 2 RBI, BB .256/.398/.330, 40:55 BB/K (3 T.O. ver. 2.0 - BB, K, 1B)
Gilmartin, SS: 1/4, K, E (13) .226/.313/.337
Dixon, RF: 3/4, R, 2B, HR (4), 2 RBI, K .257/.358/.419, 22BB:44K
Nunez, C: 1/4, K .167/.214/.242
Straily, SP: 1.2 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K -> Loss (4-3) 12 GS, 5.25 ERA, 58.1 IP, 25:66 BB:K
Vancouver starts June 18
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What are your guys thoughts about M. Taylor...
Has the Oakland “hitting” philosophy screwed him up? (If Mark Kotsay, Johnny Damon & Andre Ethier are to be believed, the A’s hitting philosophy can be so overbearing that it can destroy a hitters natural aggressiveness and confuse the crap out of him)
Maybe send him back to Philadelphia, where he’d have the most trade value (& maybe let’s say H Rod) for Dominic Brown and hope that Brown is more immune to the A’s hitting philosophy?
Yeah, maybe that’s kind of an extreme idea, but seriously, what’s up with Taylor…I’m not sure who excites me less, him or Bobby Crosby circa 2009
Give him some time.
It’s only been two months and he was out for a few weeks in there.
It’s widely thought that he needed a full year in AAA anyway… so just let him get in his groove.
by Brett Narloch on Jun 7, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have heard that he's a slow starter...
but he did fairly well in his month+ at AAA last year with Philly….
It’s just such an unwelcome surprise, I guess
That trade is not happening
We are probably stuck with Taylor in near future, for better or worse. But something funny is going on in the system this year. Three players completely crapped their beds this year in AAA – Taylor, Cardenas and Brown. All three of them have good enough prior minor league resumes to make this a very strange coincidence. You just don’t see three players on the same team suffer so much fail between AA and AAA very often. I’d almost blame the water in Sacramento if it weren’t for Donaldson, and to some extent, Carter.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
Yeah, I was also so high on Sac's offense this year...
but now I’m irrationally in “seriously concerned about being able to compete in 2011/2012 without trading Suzuki due to the prospects’ collective crapping of the aforementioned beds” mode.
It’s like Carter is looking like a poor man’s Jack Cust – Power and Patience, plus a ton of K’s and No defensive value. The only difference is the Carter can’t hit righties. And since there are many more righties in the league, might as well resign Cust.
Cardenas is not inspiring much confidence in being able to become at least an average defender, or developing any power (you can also ditto Cardenas in this sentence with Sogard)
Brown becomes Jai Miller @ AAA.
Donaldson is like Obi-Wan…he’s our only hope.
Sorry for the rant….
Oh I'm actually not worried about Carter all that much
In part because I never expected him to hit .337 again like he did in Texas League last year. He always profiled closer to 2007-08 Jack Cust than to Albert Pujols, which is not a bad thing because Cust was a very productive hitter in that period. Carter could see some BABIP bump soon (guy is batting .125 on ground balls – that’s just unsustainable bad luck) and maybe more big flys as the weather heats up.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
With as hard as he hits the ball, and his ld rates, I’m not worried about his average. He’s never had poor babip numbers like this before, so I’m going to chalk it up to bad early luck.
by chri5 on Jun 7, 2010 8:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
How does trading Suzuki for prospects make us successful in 2011/12?
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw that
Typical Carfardo fodder. Just trying to fill his column…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Now you have more prospects to hedge your bets against for other prospects busting AND
you have some trading chips to play with to get more established guys. And I realize the irony of Suzuki being an established guy, but I think the trade would allow above average upgrades in multiple positions, vs just one above average position, in catcher.
Of course, I’m still for getting chips from Sheets. I don’t think the A’s are a playoff caliber team this year.
Of course the A's never try to change a player's approach according to Nick Swisher, so who should we believe?
After all, what about Johnny Damon would the A’s have tried to change anyway?
Those guys are full of shit if they even said what is claimed here.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm starting to think 'K' is Grant Green's middle initial...
…it follows his name in almost every one of these posts…yeesh. Speaks to what he is able to do that he’s still batting .300.
Between Taylor and Carter, supposedly our best hitting prospects, they can’t hit over .250. This system is in bad shape. They need to draft a bat, and one that will be ready SOON.
Carter= bad BABIP
=bad luck.
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by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe I don't understand BABIP
It’s essentially his BA adjusted to NOT include HRs and Ks? Guess I’m not grasping how thats bad luck if his BABIP is low.
BABIP is the batting average on all balls hit into play.
That would be excluding HRs and Ks, yes, but the denominator of the formula is all balls hit into play, not all at bats. Think of it as how many of his balls put in play turn into hits. Now, of course, is someone is hitting groundball dribblers every at bat, his BABIP will be very low and it won’t be luck. But for most hitters, an overly high or low BABIP can show that he’s getting unlucky and hitting balls right at fielders, and such.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
it could be E as well
Chris Carter is the next Hank Aaron right?
by streetisclosedin08 on Jun 7, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Olney tweets that Konerko is available
(link)
Questions:
1) Should we pursue him?
2) What’s a fair package?
No. Also, he's "available" but he can veto any trade because he's a 10 and 5 guy.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Konerko is a 10 and 5 guy
By like 2 full seasons (for the 10)
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's think of Pierzynski or Buerhle
Both get 10 and 5 right by July.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
it's true
it corresponds with the Adam Heether acquisition
Sogard in May: .343/.450/.435 16.8% BB 7.6% K
Still very light on the ISO, but he’s got his game going now. Still think he’s the sleeper of the system, and if Ellis isn’t back, Cardenas is going to have his hands full next Spring.
by AgitationStation on Jun 7, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
You and me should start the Sogard fan club
Because I’m a huge fan, and really hope he continues this…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Picture a poor man's David Eckstein with like 1/2 the defense (because Sogard is a below average 2B)
I’m sorry, but I’m just not that impressed.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Naysayer!
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He's can't join the club
You, me, and Manstein…and we’re taking applications. Ftr, Eckstein doesn’t walk, and Sogard’s defense is just about the very definition of average, which happens to be quite a bit different than below average.
by AgitationStation on Jun 7, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It's only average if you ignore every single scouting report about him
All of which indicate he is sure-handed but has limited range.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's one:
20) Eric Sogard, 2B, Grade C+: Gets on base, not punchless, defense is so-so but I like the bat enough to keep give him this grade
That’s from John Sickels. If you think “so-so” is scout speak for “average,” well, we’re going to disagree here. I’ve also seen “average at best,” and Sogard himself has talked about how he needs to improve his defense.
Also, you might wanna check Eckstein’s minor league walk totals.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This is from you as well
This was posted by Nico after the trade:
The quote is from Noah Frank, Media Relations Director for the Fresno Grizzlies:
Every scout who asked me about him claimed he heard from someone else that Sogard’s defense was suspect. Luckily, I had the benefit of watching him all season, and I know that this is a gross generalization. While he does not have the greatest natural range, he puts a glove on anything he gets to and makes good decisions in the field.
I’m not saying his defense is great, but that sounds pretty “average”. And if Sickels likes him enough to still give him a C+, I think he’ll be able to improve enough to stick at 2nd…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Jun 7, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been at second...forever.
Guys typically don’t improve their defense past their mid-20s (I admit that the work done on this is probably incomplete, but that’s what the current data says).
I’d allow for a guy improving at a position if it’s new for him, but Sogard is what he is. He might improve to “average,” but an average defensive second baseman who hits like Eckstein (with a lower average, probably) just doesn’t do much for me.
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit a home run in Reno few days ago
So his ISO is finally distinguishable on the first glance from his batting average. I must say I root for Sogard too, guy looks so nerdy and anti-athlete you gotta love him. Hopefully he can make a career out of hitting singles and taking walks, like a next Luis Castillo or something.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I'm kinda liking the look of Ryan Ortiz
Nice to see a catcher in his first full year of pro ball putting up an .800 OPS in A+ ball. There’s always the danger that his numbers are Cal league inflated but his ability to draw walks and hit for above average power seem real. Kinda reminds me of Josh Donaldson.
hes suppose to be a good catch and throw guy too
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jun 7, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant Green w/ a .773 OPS
is quietly about a league-average hitter now in the Cal league (.333 wOBA according to FirstInning.com). I can only assume that some power will come, maybe even some plate discipline, perhaps he’ll start looking like a top prospect again.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
I think too many people at AN think power will just come.
I’m not saying that the reasons why ANers think the power will come are bad… I’m just wondering if ANers too easily use that reason.
by Brett Narloch on Jun 7, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Green's BABIP is .400
This is not just luck, but I doubt he’s next Ichiro in the long run. He needs to cut those K’s and put the ball in play more if he’s going to be a .300 hitter at higher levels. He’s a shortstop. There’s no need to press for power.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I'm sure I read favourable Jeter comparisons coming out of college, which had me giddy.
At least he’s hitting now.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Jeter was shooting lightbolts from his ass and leading his team to a WS title
When he was Green’s age. Green was compared to Longoria and Tulowitzki when he knocked some home runs in a summer wood bat league, but it’s hard to picture him having that kind of power.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I know a certain A's SS who had lofty expectations and favorable comparisons...
He even won rookie of the year.
I’m not going to get excited until the A’s produce an actual everyday big-leaguer who can hit. They haven’t done a whole lot of that in awhile (Suzucki I suppose being one exception). But even Carter, Stassi, Cardenas, Green, etc… won’t get me too excited until I see some results in the bigs.
I said this in a thread awhile back, but if I wasn’t such a news junkie I wouldn’t look at anyone’s minor league stats until they’re in their 3rd month of AA.
by Brett Narloch on Jun 7, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Daric Barton not count because he was drafted by St. Louis, even though the A's developed him for half a decade?
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by thejd44 on Jun 7, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
NIck Swisher says hello and shut up.
Im so tired of this shit.
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jun 7, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He either needs to hit for power or not strike out so much
Very little to like in his performance so far.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I don't disagree,
but it seems like just a week ago that he had an OPS in the .600s and was looking like a total failure.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
he should be hitting the shit out of the ball and im pretty sure that a 333 wOBA isn't league average in the Cal league
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jun 7, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Question?
Whatever happened to pitcher James Simmons??
We drafted him with a 1st round pick a couple years ago. If anyone knows where he is I would appreciate it.
no he was the 1rst round pick in 07
He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev
by designatedforassignment on Jun 7, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Back from tonight's Ports game
I’ll probably repeat this when I make my photo post but the Ports had a nice comeback win. After leading 3-0 early they trailed 6-3 and 8-5 but tied it in the 8th and won it on a walkoff single by Tyler Ladendorf, who went 4-for-4. Final: 9-8.
Grant Green and Stephen Parker homered on consecutive pitches in the first and Ryan Ortiz hit one out into the party area behind the bullpens in the seventh.
Fautino De Los Santos is still pitching in relief and worked a very good 9th, striking out his first two hitters with ease. He was routinely touching 92 and 93 on the stadium radar gun and also hit 95.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Ryan Ortiz has had a couple of nice games back to back
He’s been splitting time with Paramore so he’s still dealing with a small sample size but his numbers are starting to look pretty darned good.
I've heard DLS looks incredibly good. Though he's meant to be in the majors by now so I suppose he should.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
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