Bullpen Refuses to Let A's Win 5 In A Row
by baseballgirl on Jun 30, 2010 7:45 PM PDT
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PrintIf you like maddening, frustrating, leave-a-bad-taste-in-your-mouth games, this was a humdinger. Playing a bad team? Check. Aforementioned bad team gives you a crooked number of runs in one inning? Check. Your starting pitcher leaves with a two-run lead? Check. Things are lining up for a fifth win in a row? Check. Terrible team suddenly rebounds to the tune of five homeruns? Check. Said homeruns turn a sure win into a horrible loss? Check...and...check.
It is not without a certain amount of irony that the one strength I thought the A's had going into the season--the bullpen--has turned out to be one of its weakest links, and that's saying a lot, considering the offense this teams puts out day after day. There are a number of things that went wrong in tonight's loss, but it is worth noting that although the A's did "score" six runs, they only scored in one inning, and some of those runs were courtesy of the Orioles' defense.
Trailing the game 3-0 (thanks entirely to Adam Jones), the A's came to bat in the top of the fourth inning, looking for some runs. Sweeney swingled the first run in; Gross (who was playing for Cust on the strength of his 5 for 7 career totals against Millwood) singled in the second, and Mark Ellis stole home to tie the game. (Okay, he actually ran on a ball four count, but it worked.) Wasting no time, the blazing-hot Coco Crisp (who inexplicably bunted in the third inning) blasted a 3-run homerun to put the A's up 6-3. They should have been able to make that work.
Ben Sheets gave the A's six shaky innings in his start; allowing three earned runs (four total), seven hits, and three walks in the process. But great pitching performance or not, the point remains: He left the game with a 6-4 lead, and pitched well enough to give the A's a win.
Needless to say, the bullpen did not.
A struggling Brad Ziegler relieved Sheets in the seventh, and after recording a strikeout, he walked a lefty and gave up a game-tying bomb to Ty Wigginton. He was promptly replaced by Bowers, who gave up his own homerun to Luke Scott to untie the game. Tyson Ross, not to be outdone, gave up his own 2-run homerun to Tejada in the eighth, and before you could even ask what in the heck happened to the game, the A's had lost.
What has happened to the bullpen? How can we lose to the Orioles? Why can't we score a run in multiple innings?
And Bengie Molina just got traded to the Rangers.
Hopefully I will see all of you at tomorrow's event; come out for some drinks! We can talk about the game while watching together.
Current Series
3 game series vs Orioles @ Oriole Park at Camden Yards
| Tue 06/29 | WP: Vin Mazzaro (3 - 2) SV: Andrew Bailey LP: Brian Matusz (2 - 9) |
4 - 2 win |
| Wed 06/30 | WP: Matt Albers (3 - 3) SV: Alfredo Simon LP: Cedrick Bowers (0 - 1) |
6 - 9 loss |
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Oakland Athletics Thursday, Jul 1, 2010, 4:05 PM PDT Clear. Winds blowing in from left field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 80. |
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what are you talking about
doesn’t everybody’s bullpen give up 5 runs in 2 innings, 3 HR
Doesn't everyone's $10M starter suck?
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They'd look pretty sharp in a Rivercats jersey.
Ask me about my squirrel.
I do, I do!
Meh.
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If his attempt to beat out the DP grounder was any indication, yes.
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what do i hate more...hmmm...Geren or our bullpen??
by HeavyHitters510 on Jun 30, 2010 8:10 PM PDT reply actions
If Sheets wasn't gassed, then IMO Geren screwed up by pulling him
But if Sheets needed to come out, Geren did everything right and got screwed by his pitchers again and again.
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Little bit of both, I suspect
Sheets probably could have gone one more inning, and who knows how things turn out at that point, but the bullpen is abysmal.
I want to not blame Curt Young for this, but I’m starting to wonder how such a vaunted bullpen has blown it so badly this season. Sure, Geren has abused Tyson Ross, but how do we account for everyone else’s failures?
by JonathanNathan on Jun 30, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference between 6IP and 7IP is huge
It’s the difference between needing 6 outs or 9 outs from your bullpen, but what that really means is 3 outs or 6 outs to Bailey. Getting another inning out of Sheets would have been important and might have been the difference in the game (probably coming down to whether or not Wuertz was on his game).
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was 2 ip anyway
all told.
If Sheets went one more with no runs, it still would have been 3 runs, just in the 8th instead of the 7th, all else equal.
No I'm saying if Sheets had gone 7 IP,
Wuertz has the 8th, Bailey the 9th, and you just need a good outing from Wuertz to turn a lead over to Bailey. If it’s the 8th, you won’t see Bowers/Ross and probably not Ziggy either. But Geren couldn’t get to the 8th.
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It's my counterfactual, and I'll keep it
are you suggesting Geren would have done the right thing in the 8th?
Check your meds, Nico – they’re out of whack.
More likely, he would have done the right thing,
Wuertz would have given it up, and AN would be screaming about how he clearly should have gone to __ instead.
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I'm blaming hypothetical Geren for bad choices in the 8th
He totally blew it by trying to hypothetically use Zigler in the eighth.
That and the real Geren stuff, using 3 different DHs today. It’s strange to PH your DH that much.
It's strange to wind up with Rajai Davis batting 3rd in the 9th inning,
and not have an OFer left on the bench for team that has 6 mediocre OFers.
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It's impossible to predict, of course,
but if Sheets gets another scoreless inning, which is quite plausible, since he’d done pretty well against that part of the lineup, when Zig or Wuertz or Bowers or Blevins or whoever comes in for the eighth, they’re not facing those guys.
So all things are NOT equal. They’re quite different. Who’s to say Zig has such a bad inning if he comes in for the 8th instead of the 7th?
by JonathanNathan on Jun 30, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, considering he walked a lefty and gave up a bomb to a righty,
it’s fair to say “He was probably going to give it up tonight” as much as “…if he faced Markakis and Wigginton.” He’s just pitching really poorly right now, for whatever reason(s). But if Sheets goes 7, I doubt Ziggy pitches at all.
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Brad Ziegler
Is no mystery to anyone any more.
The only batter he has a chance of getting out is one who uses his middle leg to swing as a bat.
Sorry but IMO he is AAA. Has no place on the A’s next year.
Do not want.
Trevor Time tomorrow. Hopefully he goes long enough were any of these garbage throwing pitchers will not be needed.
Trevor to Brelsow to Bailey.
Win the series tomorrow.
I guess I could mention that Ziggy likes me and my GOG, unlike Geren.
I had him down to get blown out (worst series accumulated WPA), and he is giving Kouz a run for his money. He was really just trying to help me out, there, posting a glorious -.313 WPA for his, was it three batters faced?
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
What is more obnoxious,
talking about how your fantasy team scored you points when a player on the opposing team did well against the A’s, or talking about how you scored in the GOG because someone on the A’s team sucks? It’s a toss-up.
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It's all in fun
There’s satisfaction in knowing your predictions are correct, even if they are antithetical to the team winning.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 1, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry iglew, I didn't mean to be obnoxious.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
I, on the other hand, did.
:-)
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This is utterly ridiculous.
Guy has a few bad weeks and he is AAA and has no place on the A’s next year? Wow, overreact much?
His career era is still under 2.5, I’m going to go with the last 2 years plus the first two months this year over one bad month.
Way to stick with your team. I can’t even imagine how you would react with some of the truly bad relievers out there, goodness.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 1, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree that he's better than this
There’s got to be some kind of mechanical flaw. Both of those pitches to Wigginton were up, and he left half of the pitches to Tejada and Markakis up, too. That’s just not what he did before.
But I also say: he has got to fix this. Maybe shut him down for a week and just have him work on the side until he figures out what’s up. We can’t expect to have 7IP from starters every night and have Bailey/Breslow bullpen, and then roll the dice with Ziegler, Wuertz, Blevins, and Bowers when the former 2 can’t go.
Who should go back to AAA is Bowers. He can be replaced with the new guy we picked up for Fox. He can’t be much worse, right?
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 1, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Ziggy
cannot get lefties out. Never has been able to in ML’s. Right now he cannot get anyone out it seems.
Yeah, he’s going thru a bad patch but he is not that valuable IMO when you can’t save yourself from one side and now that the league has seen him for a couple of years, is not that much of a mystery from the right side either.
Maybe AAA is a bit harsh but he certainly is not fooling anyone at the moment.
Maybe he does some tinkering but the LHB is a major problem and the fact that Geren will not use him correctly does not help. He faced one lefty yesterday and he walked him on 4 pitches showed this.
The whole pen except for Breslow and Bailey is in the dumpster at the moment.
Thank God we have Cahill going. Him at even 85 percent should be able to beat Baltimore.
Zig hasn't been good lately...
but I do wish that Sheets had been left in the game for 1 more inning. Let him lose it himself instead of the bullpen getting the honors.
[In re: pulling Sheets at 6 IP] It is MY fault and I'm sorry. I had Sheets down for 7 IP in the GOG, and as everyone knows:
GEREN HATES ME AND MY GOG! So, he had to pull Sheets after 6, regardless of whether he was tired or not, just to screw me personally. The rest of you are like collateral damage.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
do you think you could adjust this for the cleveland series?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
What do I have to do, GOG Sheets at 8 IP just to get 7?
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Check that: I could call 6 and then he gets sent out to the moun in the 7th. Good thinking.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
this one's on me: I said he would come out after 6
And I was right. Sorry.
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 30, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Geren loves you.
But Crisp loves me, putting that HR over the RF wall! And showing up on CSN after last night’s game! He’s just rolling the points out for me.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
But we can blame him for going with a significantly inferior hitter who happened to have a decent 7 fucking at bats against a pitcher, right?
There was no good reason to DH Gross (if he’s playing, he should be in the field and Jackson should be DHing) over Cust last night.
This organization is supposed to know better, but this dumbass manager keeps doing the stuff that makes Dusty Baker one of the worst in the game.
All he needs to do now is have Cahill throw 130 pitches a few starts in a row and then play all the black guys because it’s summer and he’ll be Dusty.
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by thejd44 on Jul 1, 2010 4:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Surely there is a better AAA washup option out there instead of Bowers?
He has absolutely no place on a big league team, neither does Ross. At least Ross is young and just not ready yet, Bowers has no place or given even the slightest reason to own a pot on the roster.
He’s worse at baseball than Eric Patterson. I mean that.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
*spot not pot
Owning a pot on the roster is something entirely different
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Damn we traded him for another 10HR a year corner outfielder
Luckily according to much of the audience here relief pitchers are not important because anyone can do it. So trading them for redundant roster pieces really doesn’t matter.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
It’s about relief pitching prospects and not relief pitchers in general.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 30, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Separate arguments
I have also read post discussing reasons to get rid of good relievers while their value is high. Weurtz 2009 for one. The argument literally is relief pitchers are a dime a dozen. My post contained an abundance of sarcasm for entertainment purposes but I certainly believe RP’s are terribly undervalued.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Yeah, that's a good job changing what everybody is arguining so the argument looks ridiculous
That’s called a straw man argument, and it’s a bad one.
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by thejd44 on Jul 1, 2010 4:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not as ridiculous as this statement.
It was just snark princess nothing more.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Yes. Henry Rodriguez.
And Travis Blackley.
by JonathanNathan on Jun 30, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really have difficulty seeing either of those guys
come into a game like tonight’s and get lit up? If the A’s call up anyone, it may as well be Mortensen — but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that solving any problems in a meaningful way.
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Oh, no difficulty at all.
But when something isn’t working, at a certain point, it’s time to try something new. Cedrick Bowers isn’t panning out. The guy’s a dud. I absolutely think Geren’s decision to bring him into a game like this was a mistake. As bad as the pen is, there are other options. Blevins isn’t that bad. And even though Ross blew it tonight, I still like him better than Bowers.
Zig had a bad outing. No doubt about it. While I don’t think Geren should have put him in against lefties, that wasn’t what killed him. He needed to pitch to the guy that he walked, and he just didn’t. When you suck against lefties, I think it’s pretty poor policy to pitch as badly to one as he did. You have to make them beat you, especially when you’re pitching against the Orioles. Zig didn’t do that. He let a guy on that shouldn’t have gotten on, and that made the home run afterward count that much more. If Zig gets two outs and then gets taken yard, it’s a very different ballgame.
by JonathanNathan on Jun 30, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You said
‘bring him in to a game like this.’ I think this game and this whole road trip before the All-Star Break means much more to A’s fans, than it does to Geren. Fosse looked totally bummed after the game, He wanted to win 9 in a row so bad and he said that. The season is so long to Geren, I guess he didn’t get the memo. He doesn’t put everything on the table everyday. Kind of like last night when he put in Breslow to face Scott and Markakis. On tv it says, this guy is 4 for 5 with a home run against Breslow. I forget the other guys stats, but they were horrible. It was so bad that if Scott or Markakis had to choose a pitcher, they would’ve chose Breslow from prior success. And they both got doubles.
Optimistic...
A manager shouldn't live and die with every single game. He just can't do everything to win every single day at the expense of future days
I actually think being okay with losing a game here or there in order to maximize the chance of winning more games later is good managing (I think Geren is rarely capable of such thought).
A manager should not decide whether to use a pitcher based on “4 for 5 with a home run.”
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by thejd44 on Jul 1, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions
And yet he put Gross in because he was 5 for 6 with a HR.
Sigh.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
We're not real good at keeping guys named Travis healthy, are we?
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Fixed it for ya
We’re not real good at keeping guys named Travis healthy, are we?
will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody
Ross has been bad for a while...
Rajai Davis is quicker than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
So is Cust ever going to start again or what
If he’s not going to start, I’d rather see Dallas McPherson up.
And then in place of Jackson, Carson. In place of Suzuki, Recker (I know he's hurt). In place of Kouzmanoff, Baisley!
Let’s just keep calling up clearly inferior players. Why not?
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by thejd44 on Jul 1, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions
"SB Nation Editors Picks" show up before recommended Fanposts?
interesting
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who is this mysterious editor, I wonder...
by whiteshoes40 on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen Cindi much lately...
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Boo
Anyone else have a problem with CJ in the 3 spot? It’s funny how they keep talking on the tube about his inability to drive in RISP. One more missed opportunity early in the game.
Optimistic...
I have a problem with him period
Nothing against him, but a .500 team that isn’t good enough to contend or bad enough to draft well just went out and got another “ok” player that blocks the addition of a “good” player in LF, making itself even more “really mediocre but not terrible” for now and for next year.
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Don't forget that we gave up one of our better relief prospects to get him
while the bullpen is in fucking shambles.
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If Geren went out of his way
to replace Cust with Gross because Gross has had success against Millwood (also Sweeney’s like .400 lifetime against Millwood). Why wouldn’t he move those batters up in the batting order. It’s like ‘wow, these guys really have his number, let’s stick them in the bottom, maybe we’ll get lucky and score some runs.’ That’s BS. Check the numbers. If you got a hunch supported by facts, take advantage of that shit. Move those guys up, score early. Be aggressive. Btw, great game tonight… Especially if your an O’s fan.
Optimistic...
Not to throw salt in our wounds
but I just looked at this guy’s numbers.
He is OPSing about 200 points higher on the road then at Fenway. That hurts.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Wow --
Vlad Guerrero 4 for 4 with 2 HRs and 5 RBI against the Angels. And Dustin Nippert has gone 3 scoreless in relief. (6-4 Texas in the 8th)
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I'm not sure which one is more incomprehensible.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
His OPS away from Texas
Is as good as Jack Cust’s overall OPS.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Yeah, I'm still glad the A's didn't sign Vlad
It’s amazing how much playing in Texas can make a guy look really good still.
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by thejd44 on Jul 1, 2010 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Time to release Bowers and send Ross down
At this point, given the Rodriguez and Blackley are on the DL, I’d bring up Mortensen and Wolf.
Molina to the Rangers
To say the folks at McC are happy is something of an understatement:
BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.
Bengie Molina is so slow
When he got traded on June 30 he didnt end up in Texas until September 15.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 30, 2010 10:46 PM PDT reply actions
I had to look up DSL
= Dominican Summer League.
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sooooooo thats an embarrassment.
Give up 5 homeruns to the worst team in Major League Baseball? Are you kidding me?
Heres what the A’s should do. GET RID OF BEN SHEETS. and maybe also RESTOCK OUR EMBARRASSING BULLPEN. I dont see how our GM can watch these games and just be like…. oh theyll do better next time were just in a slump. No we have shit for relief pitchers. We need to call someone up. Get Mortensen up there hes 10 and 2 at AAA i think the kid can give us a couple good relief innings if hes 10 and 2 in AAA. I mean come on we cant even get back to .500 against the ORIOLES!!!!! OH yeah then we play the indians, yankees and angels in a row….hahahaha this seasons over.. hellooooooo 20 games back in the AL West!
Im sorry everyone i seem to have lost my cool there for a second. I just have one more thing to say…. Im CooCoo for CoCo Crisp! He needs to stay here next year hands down.
The only issue with him is injury
He plays top shelf D and has a valuable bat and legs but staying on the field has been a major issue for him.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
i'll only read the caps lock portions of this post.
GET RID OF BEN SHEETS – would if Braden & Anderson werent constantly hurt. hes eating innings at least, we need that.
RESTOCK OUR EMBARRASSING BULLPEN – Agreed Ross needs to be sent down & Bowers released. Surely Beane can trade for some AAA guy. What about the guy we got for Patterson?
ORIOLES!!!! – they actually have a bright future and are not a bad team. They are a product of their strong division and running into every hot team in mlb early. They arent this bad.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
The guy we got for Patterson
is a 21-year-old in single A. Too early for him. I think maybe you meant the guy we got for Fox.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Thats true
I meant the guy we got for Fox, brain fart.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
brain toot*
lets keep it PG here guys, c’mon.
by gatorempire127 on Jul 1, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sad when you can't outbop the orioles.
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by The Dogfather on Jul 1, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Ziegler.... Seriously?
Ziegs is only good for 1 or 2 outs max, he’s a specialist obviously. So why keep in in any longer!!!! seriously Geren, come on. Every game he gets 1 or 2 outs then its a hit or walk parade. disappointing
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