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Oakland Gets Married For 23 Strikes In Two Days In Boston

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Are you serious?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you.

I carry the battle torch against evil and crooked NBA refs.

Is there any evidence that MLB umpires are crooked or taking direction from league offices to help throw games one way or another?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 3, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

a couple things i noticed yesterday

1. it did seem like the ump made more bad calls to our left handed hitters on outside pitches, consistent with what you’ve pointed out.

2. sheets’ pitches are generally very straight (fastball) or on a fairly regular trajectory (curve) while dice-k gets more late movement. i wonder if this too contributed to dice-k getting more bad calls than sheets.

very cool post btw. thanks!

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by mendelbob on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

This is really cool.

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 3, 2010 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Really, really cool.

"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson

by the_rozeboom on Jun 3, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't been watching many games this season

but I did watch most of these last two, and your analysis totally confirms what my eyes were telling me. I can remember groaning on several pitches that were called balls to Boston hitters and other pitches that were called strikes against the A’s. I’m not suggesting that we didn’t lose those games fair and square, but this stuff still really bugs me.

by colin on Jun 3, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Yesterday was a great example of why players call Mr. CB

Completely Blind Bucknor.

"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan

by Manstein on Jun 3, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

He should be replaced by a machine

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 3, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

twss

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 3, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pujols can't umpire too

He’s too busy

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Jun 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, elcroata!

Learning new things about baseball and Croatian colloquialisms. I love it!

by goldfish on Jun 3, 2010 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

This is just great

and I will welcome robot umpires. Especially if they look like Wall-E.

by stormtown on Jun 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome post, elcroata.

Informative and fun to read. My next question is, are these differences more egregious at Fenway vs. in a normal game? Clearly this would take a lot of data analysis, but luckily all I need is some pseudo-random sampling and anecdotal evidence.

The SF Giants vs. Oakland A’s games looked like they had much more consistent umpiring (click on plots for larger plots), but it also looks like the A’s opponents are consistently getting more strikes called on pitches outside of the left hand side of the box (the 5/21 game looks about even in that regard).

5/21:

5/22:

5/23:

by oblique on Jun 3, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

I can tackle such analysis once I set up my own database. It actually isn’t that much work, but I do feel somewhat lazy lately.

And as for the LH outside calls against Oakland, with Barton, Cust, Sweeney, Gross and often Pennington, Oakland might have more lefthanders than an average MLB lineup. Or they are just not well liked.

by elcroata on Jun 3, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, this is just fantastic.

Great, great work, elcroata.

For the record, the normalized strike zone height comes from a manual setting. Before every plate appearance, a Gameday operator will manually key in the appropriate top and bottom mark for the strike zone, and then PitchFX goes to town.

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Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.

by danmerqury on Jun 3, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it's time for sensors in balls and uniforms

and plate umpires can sit behind the catcher and drink tea while the sensors and hardware get the job done right.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 4, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everything sounds like a sexual metaphor on AN.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 5, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

good stuff

the title threw me off a little though.

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by micdog2001 on Jun 3, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

It's strange, right?

I actually started with “The Boston Series Pitch F(i)X Data”

by elcroata on Jun 3, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome post

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by mikeA on Jun 3, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

strongly reced this is the kinda stuff that isn't around much more.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Fwiw, BtB did a more generalized look

And, unsurprisingly, found that Umps call a zone different from the formal strike zone.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/6/2/1497196/umpire-bias-and-what-can-be-done

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by nevermoor on Jun 3, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Suzuki

Is Suzuki doing anything different than an average catcher that would change an umpires perspective? If so can we count that against his WAR?

by RayJEdd on Jun 3, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

One of the best posts in months

and so very timely. You have confirmed what we were all seeing, that Boston (and Yankees) have an automatic bias in their favor, whether it is national TV or news coverage or umpiring (lack of) coverage.

by robertmelvin on Jun 3, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I love idioms in foreign languages

I had a project at a company undergoing layoffs once to find every translation of ‘Brown Noser’ possible.

And almost every language had one it seemed.

Chinese was ‘Horse farts smell nice’ or some such.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 3, 2010 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

my grandma had this italian interjection

that she’d throw out from time to time that roughly translated to “may lightning strike your bladder.”

BTW, great work el-c, this is very cool. i’d love to see some sort of compilation of MLB at the end of the year that’s like who got hosed the most and who gets the most help. I can’t even imagine how much effing work that would be though.

by mk on Jun 3, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite Italian sayings is

their equivalent of “to have your cake and eat it too”. It’s la botte piena e la moglie ubriaca, which translates to something like “a full bottle, and a drunk wife, too”.

Italians are fun.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Italians are indeed fun

Not sure it would be your preferred music taste, but you should listen to some of Jovanotti’s music – if nothing else, for the lyrics.

Croatian version of said proverb is jebala bi se, ali da joj ne uđe, freely translated as “she would like to have sex and stay virgin, too”

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh, even better!

Wouldn’t we all? Or if you’re married, maybe “and stay faithful, too”.

The English version is so dull. Well, unless you assume “cake” is a sexual metaphor, in which case the conundrum is no longer metaphysical but merely anatomical.

(By the way, I’m surprised to see what looks like an edh in there, since I know that letter only from Old English and Icelandic. Is it standard to use that character in Croatian? I think I’ve seen the equivalent in Czech spelled with an apostrophe.)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it's one of the thirty letters

Some people will use the “dj” equivalent, but that is often born out of necessity or laziness. I, for example am lazy (as with most characters, I often write “oe” instead of ö in German, for example). My parents were both journalists and had typewriters without it. Of course they also used “l” and “o” instead of “1” and “0”.

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's all part of the "read as you write" approach

There is one and only one sound for each letter, irrelevant of its position in the word and the neighboring letters. So, I’d say Croatian letters are to English/Spanish/Italian ones what wOBA is to RBI.

Serbians are much more fun, though, as they extend this rule to foreign personal names, and write them phonetically. Some examples of what A’s roster would look like in Serbian papers (Cyrillic in parenthesis):

Ben Šic (Бен Шиц)
Džek Kast (Џек Каст)
Trevor Kejhil (Тревор Кејхил)
Radžaj Dejvis (Раџај Дејвис)
Rajan Svini (Рајан Свини)
Endrju Bejli (Ендрју Бејли)
Džejk Foks (Џејк Фокс)

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot one good one

Majkl Vurc (Мајкл Вурц)

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should be Würc, no?

I know they don’t have that in Cyrillic, but it’s how it ought to be pronounced.

Also, Rajai says “Ražej”, not “Radžaj”.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops, I meant Vürc.

Didn’t mean to change the consonant.

Oh, and surely Trevor in Serb-Cyrillic is “Тревр”. Since when do Serbs include superfluous vowels??

Same idea for Krt Suzuki.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The sounds that can not be pronounced

are rounded to next closest letter, so they would go with Vurc, I think. Alternatively, Virc.

You are right on Тревр. Missed that one.

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that a Croatian only thing?

How recent is it?

I’ve read quite a bit of Balkan history. A lot of my books are old, but some aren’t (eg, Jelavich, Fine). The names are more likely to be Serb, but they’re rendered in the Roman alphabet using what I took to be essentially Croatian transliteration. I’ve seen plenty of hačeks, but never an edh before today. For example, “Karadjordjević” with the accent on the c, but nothing on the d’s. But checking Wikipedia now, I see there it’s spelled with edhs. Hmm.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

Serbian has it when not written in Cyrillic, too. Slovenians simplified, and removed the soft letters from their alphabet – we refer to ć and đ as the soft versions of the hard č and dž (which is one letter, just like lj and nj, pronounced like ll and ñ in Spanish). So, they only have č, š and ž left. I’m not aware of anybody else in Slavic group who has it as a part of the official alphabet, although I think Banat dialect of Bulgaria uses it, too.

It’s been in use since around 1830, when Ljudevit Gaj published the current orthography rules.

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys are freaking smart

and it’s adorable.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

:D

Sorry.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, well

So it’s true about only digging the long ball. Thankfully, I am facing a really lousy pitcher tomorrow.

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been kicking around this idea for a while -

That instead of that t-shirt that says “Chicks dig the longball”

OURs would say:

Some chicks dig the longball.
AN chicks dig OBP, SLG, OPS, VORP, WAR, FIP…

(and on and on)

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I shall. I need a window of time to design it.

Maybe I’ll take orders for the girls and hand them out at AN Day.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh.

Also, defense. I do love me some good defense, and since we don’t really have an offense, it seems appropriate…

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 4, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR?

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

In Croatian that would be :Ð

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.

by danmerqury on Jun 4, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's nothing, Babe.

Just wait till you see my phonetic spelling rant.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw it...

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah. That's awesome.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it would be that much work

That’s the beauty of not doing things manually. Once I write the scripts/DB/evaluation procedures it can be done rather easily. I’ll mark it down for the end of season analysis if there is interest.

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

This reminded me of one of my grandmother's expressions

Although it was her grandparents who emigrated, the family had settled in a German-speaking community in Minnesota and she didn’t know a word of English when she started school. But by the time I knew her, she had forgotten nearly all of her German except a phrase she used to describe lax, superficial housekeeping skills (like mine) über beglissen aber unter beschissen, that is, “shiny on top but shitty underneath”.

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Jun 4, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That perfectly describes my housekeeping skills.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jun 4, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that what the stat boys are always saying

about Cahill? ERA beglissen aber FIP beschissen.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey-o

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Jun 4, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where the tree-tops glissen,

and children schissen….
</Bing Crosby>

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, that reminds me...

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 7, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we should all send this to the commissioner

I doubt he reads email, so everyone: print this out and mail it to:

Bud Selig
c/o ESPN
Bristol CT 06010

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Jun 3, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Now that the pitching discussion has simmered down and

we’ve gotten to the real business of discussing idioms in foreign languages, I note with interest that the Croatian phrase here takes the male point of view, relying on the possibly erroneous assumption that any man was just hoping to get laid and didn’t want to end up married, whereas the nearest English equivalent — ie, “got fucked” — takes the female point of view, relying on the possibly erroneous assumption that any women was just hoping to get a free dinner and didn’t want to end up having sex.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 1:05 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Jun 4, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

At my age food is at least as important as sex

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 4, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to figure out what age that could possibly be.

Nine?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 4, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great!

Totally unrelated, I just remembered one of the greatest graffiti I saw. It was in Split, close to the stadium of the local soccer team and done during the reign of the previous Bishop of Rome. Translated, it said (substituting soccer team with the A’s):

Oakland A’s First, Pope John Paul Second!

by elcroata on Jun 4, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn't see this til now

Marvelous post and I even learned what “married” means in Croatia, who could ask for more? “Completely Blind” Bucknor made me crack up too, well played.

So is there a conspiracy? What’s the term for “OMG they are f*ckin’ us!” in Croatian?

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by emperor nobody on Jun 4, 2010 4:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Completely Blind Bucknor sounds like a bluesman.

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 4, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Finally

Proof

I imagine we get “married” even worse when we play the Yankees.

by Brian in 317 on Jun 4, 2010 6:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Just an awesome post. Love it.

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by Buck Turgidson on Jun 4, 2010 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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