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"Good Teams Don't Play A Lot Of Close Games"

{Yes, I wrote this before yesterday's 14-4 win...I will, however, only accept partial credit for inspiring the A's to win a lopsided game.}

Billy Beane has been wrong about so many things this year -- from the wisdom of compiling an OF that will combine for about 10HRs to the credibility of defending a manager who is both a personal friend and who is failing in the eyes of both the players and the media -- that why not foul tip another one right into the catcher's mitt and call it "strike 3"?

In Thursday's buffet of unconvincing platitudes, Billy claimed that the A's "haven't played poorly; just not good enough to win," pointing out that many of the recent losses have been by one or two runs. On its face, this sounds reasonable. In fact, though, it misses the point entirely.

Star-divide

I don't remember where I was when I first heard the notion that what separates good teams from mediocre ones is not the ability to win the close games but rather the ability not to play too many of them. I might have been in the kitchen, or I might have been in aisle 4 at Trader Joe's, but really it doesn't matter. It's a great and important point.

Recently the A's have appeared to have quite a bit of bad luck. For example on Wednesday, the Gabe Gross "DP-shoulda-been-a-triple-play" was flukey, while Suzuki's bid, in the 8th inning, for a double that would have put the tying run at 2B with nobody out, was turned into a rally-killing DP on a terrific play by Miguel Cairo. Monday night, Ramon Hernandez' 10th inning drive hits the foul pole -- not the screen but the pole itself -- and so it doesn't take some huge stretch of the imagination to see the A's winning 2 of 3 against a solid Reds team and if only they had gotten a couple breaks we'd all be feeling pretty good about the A's again...No.

The problem is, when your pitching is decent but not great, and when your hitting is poor instead of good, you find yourself in close games in which a single break -- a fielding play, a ump's call, a "fair or foul..." -- decides the game. What's easy to overlook is that winning teams are having that play, that call, that "fair or foul..." occur while the score is 6-2, or 9-4, or 8-1, and are not depending on everything to break just right in order to squeak out a one-run win.

In other words, the A's are playing a lot of close games precisely because their offense isn't good, their pitching isn't great, their defense isn't great, and they are constantly at the mercy of hoping that nothing goes wrong -- because the moment something goes wrong, they lose. And that's not being a good team going badly. That's being a bad team that will have good stretches -- as long as Jake Fox's routine bouncer to SS takes a bad hop.

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actually I think the credit for such a lopsided game last night

goes mainly to the Pirates…

and your last paragraph really says it all…

by OaklandSi on Jun 26, 2010 7:03 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

hahahaha 14 runs

i didnt think we could even get that many. that was a very nice surprise to wake up to this morning i laughed my ass off. too bad we’re still terrible

by gatorempire127 on Jun 26, 2010 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Close games are one where the manager actually matters

…..So Beane saying “We’ve lost a lot of close games,” as a justification for keeping Geren is just idiotic.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 26, 2010 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think this is automatically a true statement

But I do think there is validity to it nonetheless. At the very least, Beane used poor logic in his statement. It’s completely possible that the manager made all the right moves and those moves made the score 4-3 instead of 4-1. Of course, that’s really not true here.

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by thejd44 on Jun 26, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your point but the moves a manager does

…ie, using the bullpen correctly, line-up, when to swing away, when to play small ball, are marginally small. And most of these decisions are predicated on small run differentials. Therefore a 4-1 game turning into a 4-3 has much more to do with the players.

Because in a 4-1 game using the bullpen correctly and correctly using a pitch hitter matter much less.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 26, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane loses all credibility

when he defends Geren. He doesn’t have to run him across the coals to the media of course, but he could be what most GM’s are when a losing manager is in their house- neutral. Beane should just say “we expect more of the current team” or “Geren needs to focus on the game and not his notebook”- but to defend him in his SF Chronicle comment with “He wants to win”- is total bull in my book.

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by greenmachine on Jun 26, 2010 7:35 AM PDT reply actions  

With some of the moves Geren makes, I'm not always sure he does want to win

So at least we’ve been told he does.

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by thejd44 on Jun 26, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

What manager is actively trying to lose?

His comments were disappointing, to say the least…

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by stranahanahan on Jun 26, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Geren is not dumb enough to be trying to lose

but I fear he is not smart enough to win

"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden

by OptimistPrime on Jun 26, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Of course he wants to win. Duh! I don’t think even the most cynical “FIRE GEREN NOW!!!” advocate believes he doesn’t want to win. The question is… can he win?

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the question is can he win based on his managerial skills, then

I say “no”… He can’t win because he seems to novie compared to the likes of the other MLB skippers!

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

fixed
"Geren needs to focus on the game and not his notebook nose"

by Kallus on Jun 26, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

An 2011 OF that consists of a healthy T.Buck, Taylor, Sweeney, Conor Jackon, and Rajai Davis

better produce more than 10 HR’s next season. The 3 CF experiment of Crisp, Davis, and Sweeney didn’t pan out as planned…

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Two or three games????

There were the two early games and yesterday…that’s three games that the “CF experiment” of Crisp, Davis and Sweeney actually played. Needless to say, small sample size. Not saying it’s a good idea, but just that it hasn’t really happened.

by richwol1 on Jun 26, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will never ever assume people to be healthy.

I can’t believe the A’s assume people like Chavez, Duchscherer, etc. will be healthy every Spring. I do not anticipate Buck will be any different.

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by louismg on Jun 26, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

So true, so true.

And the fall from first place at the beginning of the month to 10 games back this morning has been a painful experience for us A’s fans.

by A's Fan in Virginia on Jun 26, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I've been a little out of the loop lately

Where do you get that Geren is failing in the eyes of his players?

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 26, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

My sources are a combination of players, media, and fans who know players and/or media

The sample is still relative small — maybe 8 total reports — but the consistency of the reports is 100%.

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you elaborate? I haven't been around either.

Or is that anonymous. It sounds interesting/it’s fucking awesome our blogmaster has such connections.

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by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Off the record..."

So, no, I can’t elaborate.

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by Nico on Jun 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

June 1st- first place

june 25th- 10 games back

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think conversely that the players think he is doing a great job when

all of us, the press and the entire baseball world calls his moves into question? And for good reason.

"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden

by OptimistPrime on Jun 26, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd think they'd be able to look in the mirror

I’m no fan of Geren, but the players should be blaming themselves for sucking.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 26, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Nico for calling this what it is

The Oakland Athletics are a real world example of the Emperor Has No Clothes. (No, Emperor Nobody is not naked!) The organization trots out mediocre players and tells us they are good. They are audacious enough to get retreaded players and tell us they are shiny and new, capable of greatness when alas, they are not. I am convinced that in any other market Geren would be skewered, but this is Oakland, this is the Bay Area, where sports are a mere amusement, a trifle, and not a religion like in Boston, NY or St Louis. And as such, people simply lose interest and find some other amusement, which are plentiful here. It must be the case, because outside of these pages, where is the outcry in the press? Where is the pressure on the front office? It simply does not exist. Billy has no accountability, they simply do not care what we think. In other cities ticket sales are like votes, and the candidates try to earn their votes. Here, we have entrenched incumbents that don’t need our votes to stay in office. It is my contention that if 8 people showed up for every game the only thing that would happen is that the front office would consider tarping the entire stadium.

"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden

by OptimistPrime on Jun 26, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

How sad is it that I misread "retreaded" and the sentence still made sense?

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

*nod*

I think it’s not just the bay area, but Oakland specifically. I believe that even across the bay Giants’ fans and media would be calling for Geren’s head by now.

I also like your ticket sales and votes analogy. I think it fits. It also fits my theory that ownership (read: Wolff, specifically) does NOT want large attendance numbers, because that would make his desired to move to San Jose harder to justify. I don;t think the two are directly related, nor do I have any reason to think is is part of a conscious strategy, but I do think it helps in his view in that regard.

Bob Geren... Jackie Moore without the personality.

by UncleLeo on Jun 26, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it theory or reality

When someone is in the press for years directly insulting their current stadium and city, and openly wishing they could move the team to a specific location which just so happens to be the city in which they made their fortune as a multimillion dollar real estate developer?

And no, the team isn’t specifically losing games on the field on purpose, that’s what silly people who want to dismiss the Wolff-is-out-the-door scenario as a juvenile conspiracy concocted by Oakland partisans scared to lose the team would say to stifle nuanced analysis and to see their fantasy (which they indulge in the 50% of the time they aren’t actively resenting and deriding the rich teams like the Yankees) of A’s-as-West-Coast-Yankees, with unlimited resources to buy unlimited titles and trophies, come true. The team, the players and the (buffoon) manager are all doing all they can do — in Geren’s case, it’s admittedly hard with but half a brain and such a fragrant and distracting finger — to win as many games as is possible.

It’s just that the circumstances that make such winning unlikely if not impossible — all that Nico mentioned from the 10-HR OF to the retention of the GM’s Best Pal as skipper to the ridiculous treatment of Powell and the mismanaged, different-each-game batting order — have been allowed to spiral out of control in a kind of slow-death-by-neglect over these last few years… it’s not an active, make-them-lose-so-we-can-move outright conspiracy, it’s more a let-the-circumstances-that-as-baseball-professionals-we-know-won’t win-many-games-continue-uncorrected kind of thing.

It’s also the studious avoidance of any excitement: any players that might ignite the thing in a positive direction and generate the kind of miracle fan and press interest that would put those curious and casual booties in the seats. So you’ll see no Zambranos or Mannys in the Green-n-Gold this summer, even if the Cubs or the Dodgers offered to pay those guys’ remaining contract freight for the duration of the season. Instead you’ll hear “when we’re healthy, we can compete with what we have,” which would be true if these management people dared hire and retain a medical staff that not only has demonstrated it cannot keep players on the field, but has actively injured players like Braden and his toes with their misdiagnoses and Keystone Kardiologist mishandlings of various ailments.

Make no mistake: this malfeasance and incompetent death-by-neglect would never, ever be tolerated in any other corporate scenario where millions of dollars were at stake… these folks would be fired in the time it took Donald Trump or even (dare I say) Carly Fiorina to say “Don’t get too comfortable.” To be honest the luxury tax money is acting, IMO, like a sort of corporate welfare for several of these teams (not just the A’s but the team we are currently playing and several others like the O’s), where Wolff knows he can steam home to SJ every winter with a tidy 6 or 7 million dollar profit even if the Athletics in Oakland look like they are running a nightly “Dress As An Empty Seat Night” at the Coliseum in perpetuity, and becoming the kind of laughingstock in doing so that manufactures the needed consent among themselves, the Commissioner who has made no secret of his wishes for the A’s, the press, and the turned-off Oakland patrons who aren’t coming out to see an inferior and insulting product as well as the prospective, sports-hungry customers waiting with their credit cards, peaked interest and disposable income down in San Jose.

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by emperor nobody on Jun 26, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with all of this

and yes, I am completely naked too. Really. I read this in bed. With no clothes on.

Rec’d.

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by emperor nobody on Jun 26, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized I had misread Beane's comments

Due to his poor grammar, I thought he meant the A’s “haven’t played poorly; (we’re) just not good enough to win.”

by DDroney on Jun 26, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Luck

The A’s had quite a bit of it in close games to stay near the top of the AL West this year. Long baseball season is long and what everyone thought was a mediocre hitting lineup is starting to show. Sure there wasn’t Coco Crisp early on, but somehow Rajai Davis factored into the equation of the A’s early successes. The pitching also has been spotty at best, although last night I had a dream where Josh Outman came back and pitched two consecutive perfect games against the Yankees and Angels. I should really stop drinking right before bedtime.

I wonder if the A’s can manage to turn it around before they fall too deep at the All Star break.

Speaking of close games, let’s go Team America.

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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 26, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Any lineup that is significantly improved by Coco Crisp

is a terrible lineup. Coco freaking Crisp, people!

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

How viable defensively

Is an outfield of Gross, Rosales, and Jackson?

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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 26, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say slightly below average defensively,

and utterly pathetic offensively.

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

sadly, they're probably better offensively than the current starters

Unless Coco sustains a ridiculous pace

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by cuppingmaster on Jun 26, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

earlier in the season, Duke and Anderson were not injured

That makes a ton of difference.

Also, the league hadn’t caught on to Ross’s delivery.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 26, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duke was always injured

he needed a nerve burned out in order to pitch without hip pain…and as we can see even that didn’t last long.

by OaklandSi on Jun 26, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you brought up the defense

This – along with the shaky bullpen – has been the biggest surprise of the season. I knew they’d be pathetic offensively, but outside of Ellis, Suzuki, Kouzmanoff and Sweeney they aren’t very good defenders. Pennington has a good arm but his range isn’t great – it seems roughly similar to Booby Croz.

by coffee roaster on Jun 26, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Pennington's D

I’ve seen him commit way too many throwing errors for his D to impress me.

Similarly, I’ve liked Barton’s D in general, but he has 8 or 9 errors already. That’s way too much for 1b.

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by geogrman on Jun 26, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If UZR likes him

then the amount of “errors” he makes doesnt really matter. UZR has him at slightly above average. I say “errors” as scorers have been making a ton of bad calls this year.

Bottom line, you can do a lot worse than Pennington at SS….

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jun 26, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I think the defense is rather stout. Ellis is stellar, as always. Barton and Pennington both impress me with their range and arms, but yes, they’ve made far too many errors. Thankfully, errors are far easier to fix than increasing range or arm strength. Kouz is decent enough. The OF, remember, has been injured since pretty much day 1. Sweeney’s got bad knees, but he’s still good out there in RF. Coco is fantastic in CF, as expected. Jackson is just okay, but I’d like to see more before making a decision.

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by danmerqury on Jun 26, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Close games

Nico’s point is an excellent one to remember. Bill James wrote about the fallacy of the importance of your record in close games decades ago. It’s what your record is in “not close games” that is the best indicator.
 
It is a wonder that Beane cites the close games stat with a straight face. If he really believes it, he is losing whatever knowledge he had. If he doesn’t, that’s just disingenuous.

Either way, management is doing the minimum to appear that they are dedicated to building a winning team. Keeping Fox and Patterson around as long as they did was truly incredible.

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by geogrman on Jun 26, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

First != best

It’s times like these I wonder if Beane just happens to be the first, not the best, to embrace statistical analysis. Just because he did it first does not mean he is the best at it. Of course there’s plenty of other factors too (such as payroll).

by Jernskogen on Jun 26, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more try at parsing Beane

Beane praised Geren for working with a young, inexperienced team. But the team isn’t that young just because there are no 35-40 year old LOOGY’s in the bullpen, and it isn’t that inexperienced, at least not beyond most teams. He talked about the injuries, but most of the injuries were compensated for with players doing similar things (i.e. Crisp = Davis, Cahill = Duke).

But for a second let’s assume that Billy Beane no longer watches games, but simply looks at box scores and has chats with Bob. Then he sees something different. He sees close games that were ALMOST won. And he sees that his entire strategy of trading players in June and July because of depth was thrown off due to injury. From a GM’s perspective, those injuries were killer. From a playing perspective, not so much.

Beane’s comment was stat-oriented, at least in terms of solely looking at numbers. So the age aggregate looks young and the budget is fairly minimal - but not so minimal as to take a $4 million dollar hit on Taveras, or a $10 million contract for Sheets, or a decent deal for Crisp, or a $2 million flyer on the oft-injured Duchsherer. Or earlier large offers to Beltre and Scutaro. The close games could have gone the other way - but as Nico notes, and let’s be more realistic about it, what the whole pythagorean equation is about, is how many games you blow away your opponents and how few games you get blown away in. Lots of close games say .500; add a few blowouts and the pythagorean experience goes completely awry.

I remember, during the first two months of this past Warriors season, that the Warriors looked to be ALMOST a good team. They kept losing in the last seven seconds. After a while, in basketball, you start realizing that the good teams almost always win those close ones. It’s not luck. It’s the ability to make the plays when they count. It’s different for baseball, which relies on luck to a far greater degree. But still, good teams always show you how good they are, and bad teams show you how bad they are…last night, the A’s didn’t show us how good they were (I mean, Ben Sheets gave up a lot of hits to a miserable offense). They simply played a completely inept team. They got most of their early runs with the usual array of pop-ups and grounders that have been rally-killers throughout the season, that the Pirates booted. Even when the A’s booted a play, early on, Barton made a perfect throw to third to get an errant baserunner. I mean, I loved the score - but when a team plays as badly as the Pirates, nearly any other team will beat them, and beat them badly.

Not knocking the A’s for last night at all. I mean, for Chrissake, Edwin fucking Jackson no-hit the Rays, so anything’s possible. The A’s won, and won big, and put the game away with a delightful seventh inning. But I want to see that fire when the game’s on the line, not simply because your opponents couldn’t beat the Marymount girls’ squad.

by richwol1 on Jun 26, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

You might be right about Beane not watching every game? Especially with all the Geren mistakes!!

Where do we go from here though? More of a solution is needed than seeing them play with more fire. Are we one big bat away from contending? I think we are, but highly doubt we can acquire that big hitter. So much is based on our top prospects panning out. If they continue to struggle, I look for Billy Beane to figure this crap out!!!

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent post

about a fascinating concept. This is exactly the type of “take a step back” analysis that is pretty much nonexistent in the mainstream sports media; sure, they throw all sorts of stats at you, some of which are interesting, but they’re usually more of the “Johnny Sunday has hit a home runs on 7 straight Sundays” type than “The Yankees have played fewer close games, not won more.”

It’s just not something that really jives with notions of grit, endurance, etc. People would much rather believe that a good team wins close games all the time because they “want it more” than the much-less-romantic idea that yes, they’ll win close games, but it’s because they’re more skilled at playing baseball, and furthermore, they won’t play a lot of close games (because they are skilled at playing baseball and therefore have higher run differentials).

by ORthey on Jun 26, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Not necessarily correct

If you go to MLB.com standings and click the 1-Run category to display, the numbers don’t match up. Rangers, for example, have played 25 such games for a 15-10 record. A’s, on the other hand, have played 19 such games for a 12-7 record. Overall the trend doesn’t appear; maybe you don’t consider the Rangers a good team (I think they’ll swoon in the heat of summer, as usual) but the only “good” team that hasn’t played many 1-run games is the Yankees (13 total, going 7-6).

I don’t know that Nico isn’t off the mark though; it would be interesting to see how this applies to 2-run or even 3-run games. Also, just because a team wins 5-1 doesn’t mean a walk off grand slam ended things after it was 1-1 in the 9th.

In short: it’s really hard to judge if this effect is real or not, based on the information available.

by Jernskogen on Jun 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Well look at what you've just written

The A’s are 12-7 in 1-run games yet they’re what 5 games or so under .500? Remove those 1-run games and what have you got? A team that’s 10 games under in non-1-run games. That suggests to me they’ve mostly been dominated.

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by DMOAS on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dominated

Yeah, the problem is not the close games, it’s just being trounced in general. I attribute this mainly to our lack of offense. There’s some games the pitching makes it tough, but when you struggle to score even one run in many games success is not going to come easy.

by Jernskogen on Jun 26, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why the point that 1-run games don't matter (in the sense of how good a team is) is being made

1-run games are just a matter of luck. Non 1-run games are generally a test of true playing level.

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by DMOAS on Jun 26, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they're JUST a matter of luck at all

It’s that you shouldn’t need to play too many of them compared to games won by “comfortable margins.”

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think luck, bad breaks and umps have a lot to do with the outcome of a close game

Are they pure luck or anyone of those things, no. But generally it factors in a lot more than non 1-run games. Winning a lot of them and losing a lot of them mean less in terms of how good a team is. Which isn’t to say they mean nothing, just less.

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by DMOAS on Jun 26, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not all one-run games are alike

For example, some are tie games broken by the winning run, while others are 3-run leads whittled down to one.

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

but Aaron Miles is the Cardinals DH today. Why couldnt TLR drink before the games against us?

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

How mANy of you would pick Bob Geren to manage your MLB?

That sums up the Geren question…

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Jun 26, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

my high school football coach had a great saying

“win by 2 touchdowns. don’t let the refs into the game. don’t let one mistake decide the game. if you do, you deserve to lose anyway.”

Your third place Oakland A's.

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jun 26, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I love this saying.

Same thing for lucky bounces. (Or for that matter, recounts in close elections.)

Just don’t let it get that close in the first place.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 26, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grrrr....

{close elections}

“Diebold has announced that yesterday’s game was officially…9-8 Pirates. Wow!”

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by Nico on Jun 26, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a close game against the GODDAMN PIRATES until the 7TH INNING.

If you can’t break the game early against teams like that, you’re doing it wrong.

Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld

by ElQuesoCapitan on Jun 26, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

The struggle

I can’t remember when the A’s did not struggle, but in the past we were winners. It seemed that we somehow were able to win in spite of ourselves and with pretty mediocre field managers. For the past several seasons the struggle has become more painful because we have not posted a winning record. Baseball strategy is really not very complex and the situations presented in a major league game are no different than game situations at any level. Geren’s decisions seem suspect, and we have lost our winning edge. It is truly disgusting to me to see us lose our proud and winning tradition. We have gone from finding a way to win to consistently losing. Geren must be held accountable for at least some of this downturn. Throwing strikes and timely hitting would also be a step in the right direction. I will be watching more of the struggle late tonight if my dang comcast extra innings does not freeze up again.
“Lets go Oakland”

by skeeter1 on Jun 26, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

This makes me like him a little better.

Which is to say I still think he’s bad at announcing the game, but I’m a little closer to overlooking it and liking him anyway. Kind of like Buan.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Jun 26, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then there was this
The guard at the #Athletics clubhouse door, who is there every day, had no idea who Cotroneo was and was leery about letting him in.

http://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/17122894084

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Jun 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

yeah baby!!

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury

by cuppingmaster on Jun 26, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Patterson to the Red Sox for... LHP Fabian Wiliamson?

 MBachCSN
  
A’s trade outfielder Eric Patterson to the Boston Red Sox for minor league left-handed pitcher Fabian Williamson, the club announced

@MAD_Marvin
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 26, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it me or did the A's get far more for Fox and Patterson than expected?

They actually got two human, living, professional pitchers who might actually one day throw a pitch in the majors for them.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Jun 26, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

another way to look at it

they got two “not top” pitching prospects who may or may not ever pan out in the majors.

by OaklandSi on Jun 26, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now, are we sure that's not the name for a Red Sox employee's

Used 1982 Trans-am?

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury

by cuppingmaster on Jun 26, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how long Red Sox fans put up with him before he's their most hated player.

Fabian Williamson seems about right in return. His K% this year is much lower than the rates he’s put up in previous years. He also doesn’t give up a lot of homeruns. FF said it right: I’ll take it.

If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.

by NateHST on Jun 26, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nico, for a cogent monogram

on the topic that “good teams control their game, day in and day out.”

I have heard a couple of interviews where the Athletics players have declared that they “always think we’re still in it, that we are going to win each game as we take the field.” I believe that is why this team is not at the Pittsburgh level. Collectively the skills and abilities are not there, throughout the roster, as, say, Tampa Bay, but there is enough skill and ability to put them, temporarily, above .500 and in first place. But not a season’s worth of ability to translate into 90 wins.

Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.

Beane: They believe it because it's true.

by One won lost won on Jun 26, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

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