3 In The Top Of The First, Then Sheets, Offense Fail
by Nico on Jun 2, 2010 7:56 PM PDT
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PrintUpdate from baseballgirl: Baseballgirl thinks Nico's recap is just perfect. It was a hard game to watch at a sports bar, let me tell you; darn Boston fans. Also, my hotel's NetNanny blocks AN for use of "alcohol/tobacco". Good job, all. I'd like a win tomorrow, if that's at all possible. Do you think the A's can arrange that for me?
Baseballgirl might have a more in-depth recap later, but just to give you the "quickie particulars," the A's gave Ben Sheets a 3-0 lead before he took the mound, highlighted by Kurt Suzuki's 2-run HR. Sheets promptly gave back 2 in the bottom half, then decided he was the Ben Sheets who could challenge David Ortiz with a fastball down the middle on a fastball count (3-2), even though Ortiz had sat fastball all night and waved at each changeup. He was wrong.
Ortiz parked said fastball deep into the night, a two-run shot that gave Boston a 4-3 lead, and for the second night in a row the A's proved that scoring early isn't the same as scoring enough.
Certainly not when your "ace" can execute neither a shutdown inning nor a smart pitching sequence, and certainly not when your bullpen unites around their common commitment to giving up runs. Tonight it was Ziegler and Breslow who couldn't keep the game closer, each charged with a run.
Brett Anderson's job? Bring the A's home with a good (6-4) road trip instead of an ok one (5-5) that ends by being swept. The first two games in Boston have not inspired.
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Can we be down in the beginning
and win in the late innings?
It seems only fair.
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I can't bump a fanpost to "overflow threads"
So I’ve created one there and I’ll delete yours since one is now up — cool?
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It is right...
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If Gio wasn't such a mind-case there's your 2nd ace.
He has the stuff, just not the poise.
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jun 2, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Gio doesn't have the command to be an ace
He can be awesome, or he can wobble around / implode, and that’s likely always to be a part of his game. If he’s awesome more often, he’s a #2, if this amount a #3. But I don’t see him ever being an ace. Aces/#1 starters all have very good command.
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I kinda see Gio as another Zito..but without a Cy Young type season.
Didnt seem like he was throwing his change much, and its not gonna be hard for teams to knock him around if the curve isnt working.
3 AL West teams scored 3 runs in the top of the first inning today
Two of them won (or will win).
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
The pitching staff basically has to plan on allowing 3 runs or less to get a win
Right now, Anderson appears to be the only one able to get that done, and the pen cant be counted on to give more than 2 good innings.
A move needs to be made now, July could be too late.
When watching, If Barton and Sweeney are not up, I feel like there is no chance to score. Although Kurt looks like he is coming back to life, that is still only 3 hitters. Davis still hasnt shown he is “back” yet.
We've actually lost two in a row where the team scored 4
Iwonic.
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Then that's what I highly suggest they do
Gio and Sheets have no beef with the offense; they let the team down.
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I thought he was pretty poor today
The fact he only K’d 1 tells you a lot.
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I understand that, and I do think they pitched poorly the past 2 games.
But they have both been victims of the poor offense over the course of the season.
The offense has looked good the last few days its just a tough park to hold a lead.
Davis is 1 for last 9. not all that bad even last year im sure he went through quite of few 1 for 9i would not worry.
Barton, Sweeney, Suzuki, Ellis seem to be swinging weel right now.
Watch out for Koooz he is heating up
by Belinelli's the savior on Jun 2, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Pennington is lost at the plate
Rosales can cover for him ’til he get his head out of his nether regions…
by Chilango on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions
this
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
sadly, he didn't get the bunt down when it would have helped
that two on, no out time was perfect for a bunt
Disagree. That bunt ticked me off
Setting up, what…2nd/3rd one out for Rajai Davis, who looked utterly hacktastic against Matsusaka? You don’t make the first out banking on Rajai Davis not to pop up or strikeout. Not against a RHP and certainly not when he’s looking putrid like he already had tonight.
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if you are going to butnt, be successful
the only thing it got Pennington was an 0-2 count.
That's part of my beef
Yes he should have gotten a bunt down, but once he got to trying to hit he was down in the count 0-2 and that dictated the AB.
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so both the tactics and the execution
to fail at both is Rajai like
Yeah. I just didn't like Geren's decision to bunt
I get that Pennington has been hitting horribly and most outs he’ll make will be unproductive. But with Rajai on deck, I think you have to swing away and keep the chance for “keeping the line moving” alive. You just never bunt ahead of a bad hitter, and Rajai against a RHP — and the way he looked already tonight — is not something you bunt for.
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gad, this always fries my ass and irritates the hell out of me.
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Batting Order Doesn't Matter
But if Gabe Gross can continue hitting well, I’d stick him between Sweeney and Suzuki and maybe you’d had four guys who can consistently get hits in the middle of the line-up.
Trouble is, Sweeney/Gross is a LOOGY's wet dream
Better to go Gross-Suzuki-Sweeney or Sweeney-Suzuki-Gross.
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LTOGY?
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jun 2, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point the A's line-up is a reliever's wet dream
And it doesn’t matter if it’s a righty, a lefty, or a double amputee. The A’s need to score runs in the early innings because apparently after that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sinks in, at least while they’re on the road.
EIT?
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all this LOOGY wet dream talk
I need to take a cold shower.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 2, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll this cold shower talk,
I need to check the water heater.
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it could be worse
you could be Armando Galarraga, or Jim Joyce even.
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if any of these mlb umps, the older ones,
were vets of USAF ICMB missile silos…… turn the key, quick, that is my decision and I am sticking with it, can’t talk me out of it.
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the game is broken
Think of the calls in OUR game today… Rajai called out at 1st in the 1st, that’s a run right there before the 2 doubles. The strike calls to Barton that replay showed were somewhere on the Massachussetts Turnpike… nowhere NEAR the zone.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 2, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hate to say this, because I am not cynical about slights and biases
But it’s really starting to feel like there is an East bias by the umps when you watch games like this.
I mean, the pace of play is absolutely unacceptable for one. As much of a dick as he may be, Joe West was right. There is no reason Dice-K and Bard should be taking as long as they do in between pitches. It completely ruins the flow of the game. I couldn’t believe they were getting away with that crap.
I don’t even want to get into the strike zone, but it was in no way consistent between both teams. Sheets wasn’t getting shit on the outside, and yet Matsuzaka’s calls were criminal.
Again, maybe this is me frustrated after a couple games but enough’s enough.
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there is some obsever bias, alwasy
If I’m liberal, the media looks conservative, and vise versa.
But we don’t have to be objective – we’re fans
But biases do exist
In the media, there’s a bias toward conventional wisdom, whether you choose to frame it as leftist or rightist…that bias does exist, just as there is a bias toward the media “narrative,” whatever that narrative happens to be. It’s there not because it’s ideological but because it’s easy, and because it’s accepted.
We see a bias toward the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Cubs and Mets in national coverage - and this is a bias that even people within the media know to be true. Does that bias carry over to umpiring? Yeah, it might.
My own feeling, though, is that umpiring in general has gotten very sloppy, and umpires themselves have become obnoxious and abusive, forgetting it’s their JOB to be invisible. Today’s call against Galarraga was unconscionable. The behavior of Diaz toward Verlander and Leyland the other day was unconscionable. The Boston umpiring yesterday and today was just plain sloppy.
Well said richwol
I’m debating writing or seeing if one of the front page guys or gals on here would like to write a fanpost about umpiring. Perhaps so we can discuss bias, use of replay, etc.
We’ve seen some seriously flawed strike zones thus far this year.
And we’ve seen some pretty terrible safe or out calls this year as well, none being more important or obvious than Galarraga’s tonight, thank goodness he’s being such a good sport about this, can you imagine if this happened to a Boston or NY SP?!?
Halladay didn’t deserve his perfecto. I’m sorry, but he received numerous gift calls, more than a couple being on counts with 3 balls. How he didn’t issue a walk is beyond me.
West was already reprimanded this year, I’m sure Joyce will be, and it wouldn’t surprise me if a guy like Bucknor or Hirschbeck or another “unique” umpire does something else to affect the outcome of history of a game this year.
This offseason is going to be HUGE for the future of the game. You can count on that. And the umps who have gone this far as to make such bad calls will have to account for their mistakes.
Lastly, I understand how easy it is to sit here on the internets and criticize and analyze the mistakes that these guys make, but I’m sorry, this is their job. These men are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, year in and year out, because they have apparently spend the time and effort to stand out as the absolute best at their jobs. Well right now they are not proving that.
Good riddance.
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
a pitch fx
comparison of sux abs and none sux abs at fenway would be good
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Definitely
Hopefully someone like danmerqury could step up and do this…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking of it for Saturday
But I’d love to collaborate cuz I am no expert on this subject… hmmm.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 2, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, go for it!
Only reason he came to mind is because I just remember all the pretty pictures and graphs with some of his posts.
Any of the front page writers are entirely capable of putting together a post about this, I just think it will make for great discussion around here.
Plus, it’s the kind of thing everyone here can really participate in, from the stat heads to the “noobs”
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by stranahanahan on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
do I do it around
“The Case for Replay” or around the proposition of a sort of “two challenges a game” rule as in the NFL?
Or is it just about the problem, which seems rampant and epidemic enough, were you to cite all the recent blown calls.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 3, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I could see about throwing together some location graphs from this series, once its completed.
Comparing the A’s strike zone vs. Boston’s.
I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.
do that if you can, and then
maybe we can cover both angles, the statistical realities using this series as a sample plus the more right-brain, why are the umps making calls so bad as to influence game outcomes and in the case of today, altering the sacred historical continuum of the thing… which, it could be argued, is its greatest asset and appeal as the longest-running pro sport?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 3, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
To the extent that umpiring becomes less accurate
in potentially perfect games and in games involving Yankees or Red Sox, I wonder if it’s because there’s so much hoo-hah about bad calls that the umps are getting antsy about being criticized and are second-guessing themselves. The wide strike zones could be umps subconsciously worried about being lambasted for denying a perfect game with a bad strike call. But then they start to fret about being accused of giving away perfect games by chickening out on a tough call, causing them to err in the other direction.
If that is so, then — not that I’m letting them off the hook or anything — but loud shouting from the fans about bad calls is likely to make the problem worse, not better. And anyway Yankees and Red Sox fans collectively shout louder than we do.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Fans have been shouting about bad calls for years
Suddenly umpires need sensitivity training? If you go back and watch films that feature baseball from the forties and fifties (Rhubarb, the original Angels in the Outfield, It Happens Every Spring), fans are always giving the umpires bad times. This trope wouldn’t be in the films if it didn’t resonate with fans of the game. Razzing umps is part of the game; throwing out managers and players has also been part of the game.
Really weird
everyone seems dialed in early … seeing pitches well … scoring runs … and then we … stop. Just stop. It’s like everyone says to each other, “Ok, that’s all we’ll do and see if it holds up.” Don’t get it.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
I'm not mad about the loss itself
Or the offense going to sleep after 1 inning, or Sheets not being smart with his pitches, or the bullpen not keeping the team close, or the umpire deciding that he’d like to see Boston win tonight. No, what I’m most mad about is that this kind of shit always seems to happen at Fenway.
Someone mentioned it in the game thread; that the team seems to wilt under these tough conditions. It’s frustrating that a team would let this sort of stuff affect them, but it always happens at Fenway.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
The Bullpen
…has been inconsistent this year. Part of that, I think, is that Wuertz’s consistency last year was great in that it bailed out Ziegler and Breslow when they got into trouble.
I’d like to see the starters get to around 115 pitches. Sheets could have gone another inning, and should have. Having an inconsistent staff pitch four innings day in and day out will put a lot of games out of reach.
Agreed. They also need a couple decent 2 inning pitchers
Not a range of 1 inning pitchers and a couple horrible 4 inning pitchers.
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It's such a waste to use Ross and Mazzaro like this
I mean, it just makes no sense.
Neither has been used as a long man ever before but now they are expected to do those jobs well in the bigs?
This is why a guy like (but hopefully not him) Halama should be serving in this position.
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of umpires tonight
Would anyone else agree the home plate umpire had a very generous strike zone for the Red Sox? The Barton and Cust strikeout calls were horrible and then Ortiz doesn’t check his swing but it’s called a ball then he hits the home run. Must be nice to get the calls once in awhile or all the time like Boston or New York. Gotta love being biased!
The calls on Barton (two in the same AB) and Cust were terrible.
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Brett Anderson could throw a gem tomorrow
but his teammates and umpires will find a way to fuck him.
of course, one of the standard bromides
is to “get a savey veteran on the team who is used to big league pressure and can infuse that into our bumpkins” and our bumpkin veterans. or at least a savey manager instead of a bumpkin manager.
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LOL @ EN
Jack Cust hitting like he’s blindfolded. And a corpse.
Yep. Jack Cust isn’t doing us any favors at the moment.
none of the offense is
save for Barton THE TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT
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true... true...
He’s been good while appearing to not really be..
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The other day Vince suggested that with a strong June,
maybe Rajai Davis could earn a spot on the All-Star team. Even I laughed.
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The interesting thing about the A's this year is that I can actually see them having multiple all star reps even though the team is full of no names.
Everyone seems to like Suzuki (most underrated catcher blah blah) so he has a shot. Andrew Bailey has a shiny ERA. And Anderson, if he stays healthy, also has a good shot.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Barton's worthy
I think Suzuki won’t go because he missed too much time. He’ll be an All-Star in his career, but not this season.
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AL First basemen having better seasons than Barton
Justin Morneau, Miguel Cabrera, Billy Butler, Kevin Youkilis. Paul Konerko.
Exactly my thought
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
And Teixeira will get in on reputation alone.
I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.
AL Catchers
I think Suzuki might end up being an All-Star because AL catchers are having a tough year. Mauer is definitely an All-Star, but Victor Martinez has been having defensive problems, and Posada and Napoli have not been playing full time either. If Suzuki plays well for the next 6 weeks, I can see him making the team.
Barton, unfortunately, has tough competition in Morneau, Cabrera, Youkilis, and Teixeira usually picks up steam in the summer too.
Plus, Girardi will just get confused when he tries to look for "Dale Barton" on his selection sheet.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jun 2, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
not going to happen
Have you seen the voting for AL catcher thus far? Taylor Teagarden #4?? WTF? All star voting is BS. Oh and the 5th place DH for the AL Pat Burrell…I vote for our A’s players 25 times per day however it won’t make a difference
Kurt Suzuki's long-shot chance at making
the All-Star team would be for the manager to hand-pick him as a 3rd catcher … like Scioscia did for Ramon Hernandez in 2003. It’s a foregone conclusion that Mauer will win the fan vote in a landslide (as well he should), but the manager fills out a lot of the rest of the team, both in the manager selection phase and also as replacements for guys who decline to play for whatever reason.
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Braden?
Can you throw a perfect game and not be invited to the All-Star Game? Talking of which is it OK for A-Rod to cross his mound if he’s on the same team,….
Good point about Braden....
He needs a better record and to keep his ERA around 3.50 though.
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by lenscrafters on Jun 2, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see Braden even getting picked
I know he doesn’t have all the shiny wins or K’s or anything, but if that ERA gets down a little bit, and with the perfect game, there’s quite a chance he could find his way to Anaheim come July…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 2, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
but its true
barton can’t make it from 1rst
suzuki has a chance,
no starter has been shiny
bailey maybe
Davis has league lead in sbs. if he continues and actually creeps up to 300, i can see it.
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If I were to put money on it
I would pick Bailey.
I'd pick Suzuki. No one other than Mauer deserves it at C.
The problem is that the 2nd place finisher in the player balloting automatically gets in, and that could be Posada or Martinez or even someone like Jaso or Wieters. Youneverknow.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 3, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Cust has been brilliant
while appearing to suck.
So he's merely acting?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 3, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Two words: GABE GROSS!
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Anyone even notice Dale Scott blew a call to give the M's a win in the 10th
My god, bad umping is growing on trees right now…
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it's a full-blown epidemic, spiralling out of control it seems
I dunno that I’ve ever seen this bad of officiating in any sport. And with a porcine sense of entitlement, as if you’re challenging the Vatican if you dare to say so.
Of course Joyce copped to his gaffe, but what’s he gonna do? Ray Charles could have got that one right. IMO they have to start getting fired or sent to the minors, just like the players who screw up and cost the game do.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 3, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Great point
I just do not understand why these guys are so stubborn. There is nothing wrong with double checking with another guy in your crew, but half the time these guys have already decided the decision of a play before the entire play is finished.
This is so frustrating. Refs, officials, umps are there to do what is necessary and nothing more. They are not who people pay to see, so they should stop acting like what they do is the main act.
Bucknor’s strike 3 karate chop/seizure bullshit today on Barton was disgusting.
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by stranahanahan on Jun 3, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Umpires are told to stick to their initial call, even if they think they were wrong after the fact.
They can’t set a precedent that arguing with them will change anything.
If you knew that there was a chance that someone would change their mind,
you’d be out there every time something didn’t go your way. As it is now, it’s used as a way to fire up your players and perhaps get the ump to be more careful next time, not get the call changed.
by LoneStranger on Jun 3, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
True
However, an umpire might ask for help after a reversible call if a situation warrants it, but calling a runner safe or out at first is not one of such situations.
NO. NO NO NO NO NO.
Reversing the call would be absolutely horrible.
What about the pitches blatantly out of the zone that were called strikes for Halladay? He threw ball four TWICE in the 9th inning and they were called strikes.
Reversing the call would just make the statement that certain calls are more important to get correct than other ones. Why didn’t they go back and reverse that “foul ball” that Mauer hit in the playoffs last year?
EVERY call should be right. If some are so blatantly missed, that’s a signal that either the umpires need to be replaced, instant replay needs to be instituted, or both.
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Agree
Technically, there is a big difference, though – if they reverse the yesterday’s call, they effectively end the game with it. There are no what ifs and how woulds. In other examples, what do you do – nullify a game, do it all over?
Not saying that they should do it, as it does seem to be an effort to please the crowd and get the attention off the real issue.
Right, but that's saying the last out of the game is more important than one of the 26 other ones.
I mean, in that regard the A’s could throw a shitfit about David Ortiz not being called out on a swinging 3rd strike yesterday when he clearly went around 2 pitches before he homered.
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Supposedly, Selig is looking into it
According to KK on the pregame show
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 3, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course. But what is he going to do about it?
by LoneStranger on Jun 3, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, looking into whether it should be overturned
I think that’s a big can of worms, personally. Plenty of shit has happened on bad calls, and we just have to live with it now.
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Going back the day after and having a commissioner-initiated reversal would be an extremely dangerous precedent.
I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.
just to play devil's advocate...
it was the last play of the game. doesn’t affect anything that happened after it. the indians probably don’t care. the umpire has already admitted his mistake.
what’s the harm in this specific, limited circumstance case?
i understand why not in other cases.
There's no harm in this case.
But as soon as Selig does something like this, every other team in the league is going to come to the commissioner with their own blown calls, and ask for a reversal. How can you deny changing game-changing mistakes when you’ve overturned something that has no effect on the standings?
I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.
again devil's advocate...
this would’ve been the final play of the game. it has no butterfly wing consequences, unlike a play in the 3rd, 8th or even top of the 9th might.
i think you draw the line here. it’s a clear one time exemption.
the harder example is the m’s game last night. the m’s probably shouldn’t have won. over-ruling that changes the outcome.
the galaraga play does not.
While I agree with you generally, you should be sure to watch some basketball now anad again.
It’ll at least temper your frustration over MLB officiating.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Hey, the M's luck in one run games is changing already!
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Great line.
If you didn’t already steal it from somewhere, then some columnist definitely needs to steal it from you.
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Nope, didn't see it anywhere in this form
But did get inspired by watching Leyland’s interview, in which he said that the guys in the clubhouse were consoling Galarraga by telling him he made 28 straight outs.
Meh. Pennington does that all the time.
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Random
I anticipated this being an awful road trip and I am glad to be wrong on that account. Then we lost a couple that we could have one. Can we find a couple of relievers that can throw strikes? I thought having Pennington attempt a bunt was a no-brainer. Your 209 hitter needs at least be able to get one down. Since we are getting nothing out of our DH imposters maybe we should let our pitchers hit. Our stats at DH are embarassingly close to NL pitchers at the plate. Get rid of Cust and rotate some position players through the DH slot.
I have been been watching sporting events for over 50 years and have observed numereous bad calls and awful officiating. It is not any worse now . I don’t believe that instant replay is the answer. I live in Atlanta now, and anybody that ever watched Glavine and Maddux pitch for the Braves saw them make a living getting called third strikes on pitches that were no where near the strike zone. It seems true that in every sport certain franchises get favorable calls. Did any of you ever watch the Packers when Lombardi was coaching or the Celtics in the Bill Russell and Auerbach era?
Oh well that was a little long winded. Can we do something against Wakefield today, or mail it in like we usually do? Maybe he was so excited about facing us today, he couldn’t sleep all night and will no show today. I’ve got the game on Comcast today and I am hoping for the best.
Let’s go Oakland
Cust the bust he's a bum
The stint in Sacramento really helped. He is back to his customary 230ba and the strikeouts continue to pile up. Beane needs to release this bum and us Gross and Rosales as dh
A's got twelve hits. Too bad they left so many runners on base the last two games, but sometimes it happens.
The A’s have won more than their share of games in which they haven’t hit so many balls so well. Nobody here mentioned Suzuki’s great AB in the 7th, down 4-3, when he ripped two balls past 1B and 3B just foul, then K’d. And ok, Kouz’s tater in the 9th didn’t matter much, but DAMN, that ball went far!
If anyone had asked whether we would be ok going into the last game of a long road trip 5-4, (including 3 games in Detroit, whereas Detroit absolutely destroyed us the week before at home), I think nearly everyone here would have said “Fine, I’ll take it!” Our road record no longer is embarrassing, and Gabe Gross is AWESOME!
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
And thank god for a lucky bounce in Baltimore.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Anyone know what time the pregame show starts?
I need some workplace entertainment
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It was on at 9:30.
Over now though. :( I missed it.
I also hate how the streaming doesn’t have the A’s pregame show directly before the game, but neither does MLB At Bat, so unless I bring my radio, I don’t get to listen.
by LoneStranger on Jun 3, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
KTRB's streaming had it.
AtBat is uneven — sometimes they’ll start the stream early, but sometimes not.
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 3, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he might *be* high.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
well he didnt really argue either
so he must be high, or its just the no smoking thats getting to him
He sure did
He was all over Joyce right after the game. He was pretty classy in the interview after the game, though.
it was a clear miss call, i woulda expect him to be all up in his face and yelling at him.
perfect games will be remembered.
if it was an error, a no hitter would be remembered.
a 1 hitter under normal circumstances will be forgotten
but this 1 hitter will be remember as jim joyce blew the call, not Galaraga threw a perfect game
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