teAse Momentarily Stalls Freefall For A Few Minutes
by Nico on Jun 19, 2010 6:57 PM PDT
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PrintTrailing 4-1 going to the 9th, the A's gave it the ol' college try -- apropos given the lineup of roughly college hitters the A's like to keep on their roster -- scoring twice with runners still at 1B and 2B when pinch-hitter Adam Rosales struck out against the fire-balling Jason Motte to end the game.
The game turned in the bottom of the 5th, largely on one very iffy ball/strike call: A 3-2 pitch from Ben Sheets to Yadier Molina that appeared to come in right at the knees. Ruled ball 4, it started the 2-run rally that gave St. Louis a 2-1 lead it would not ever quite relinquish.
For the most part, Ben Sheets looked good tonight, certainly better than his final line (7IP, 4 ER) would suggest. But make no mistake about it: This is a team, and arguably an organization, that is unraveling by the day. A now 1-7 road trip mercifully ends tomorrow, so that the A's can finally get some peace and quiet at the Coliseum.
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These recaps are getting shorter and shorter
Unfortunately, it’s for good reason
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
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I hear that Nine Inch Nails songs in my head
I believe I can see the future…Cause I repeat the same routine
I hear Car Theif by Beastie Boys
But that may be because thats whats on my Ipod right now.
A spiral goes in circles.
This is a free-fall.
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by oaklandSMASH on Jun 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I always wanted that coyote to just eviscerate that damn bird.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jun 20, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I knew I liked you for a reason.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
The inevitability is numbing.
Leads are non-existent, and teases are not to be believed. The individual players who are doing well are overshadowed by mediocrity.
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It's got to get better once we get back home, right?
I mean, that’s what I keep telling myself.
It’s got to.
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Have you ever played poker and gone all-in pre-flop with Aces for hundreds of dollars
and the other guy has King-Jack, and nothing comes on the flop, then a Jack comes on the turn and a King comes on the river and you lose?
This team is 10 times more demoralizing than that.
I can't wait until we face the pirates...
Wait are we better than the pirates at this moment?
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 7:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This game I actually semi-enjoyed
Hated the Holliday crap but Sheets at least kept them in the game and they almost pulled off at least a tie. This loss wouldn’t bother me except for, you know, all those other losses on this trip.
The sweep in SF, oddly enough....
Is letting me just enjoy baseball without sweating out every at bat, every pitch, every sharp grounder to the hole. This team is not going to the playoffs. My stomach won’t churn when Chavez comes back, or when someone else is doubled off of second, or when the bullpen implodes.
Since tomorrow is father’s day, I’d just like to thank my dad for those afternoons at Wrigley Field. There really is no better place to prepare yourself for losing seasons year after year. It’s helped me to cope with Jake Fox and Chavez and Patterson. I’m at peace with this crap, really.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Today when we lost the lead,
I was like, “Heh, whaddya know?” Same when Rosales struck out. It’s amazing how from Wolff, to Beane, to the “marketing” dept, everyone has conspired to make me care as little as possible about this team. (And yet I care a lot because that’s just who I am.)
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Its like Major League
Without getting good all of the sudden.
Actually, "major league" is not one of the things
the A’s remind me of.
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heh
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 19, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when we were talking about
Which big bat we should bring in to help with our playoff run? Memories…
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 7:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, like two weeks ago.
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by Rebuilding Season on Jun 19, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Your Screen Name is appropriate for the A's this year and then next 5 it seems
We should be good around 2033
What's sad is that I've lost sight of 'the team'
So much mediocrity, so little energy or spark. I like watching Rajai on the bases. I love watching Anderson pitch (another sad, Cubs-like situation). I’ll enjoy watching Jackson this season to see if he gets his career back on track. I like Suzuki behind the plate. But the ‘team’ collectively isn’t very good, and at this point one has to wonder if it isn’t by design. I don’t know what else explains Patterson.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The way I look at it:
I don’t know that the A’s are trying to lose, trying to get a bad record to earn better draft picks or to justify a move to SJ. I don’t.
What bugs me is that there isn’t clear evidence to the contrary. Shouldn’t we be able to laugh and say “Of course that’s not happening!” If it’s even ambiguous, or the question is even open, that’s really sad.
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by Nico on Jun 19, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they traded for Holliday last year.
They bid huge money on Scutaro, Beltre, and Chapman. And Furcal last year.
Saying they’re not trying is bullshit.
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by mikev on Jun 19, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, I'll give credit for those efforts
Here’s my question to you, and it’s not a confrontational one — I’m just curious as to your POV: Why do you think the A’s have kept Chavez (over Cust, initially) when it’s clear he has nothing left to give and hurts the team by being on the roster, and why do you think they have kept Patterson when even the folks who liked him would have to admit they were wrong?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY HIRE WASH?????????
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I don't know.
I really, really don’t.
Well.. .Chavez I think is $$ related, as well as Billy not wanting to “embarass” one of his favorites ever ever (as opposed to letting Chavy embarrass himself, as he’s done)
Well.. .Chavez I think is $$ related, as well as Billy not wanting to “embarass” one of his favorites ever ever (as opposed to letting Chavy embarrass himself, as he’s done)Patterson I have no answer for. Truly. He’s not good.
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Where is Chavy anyway?
Wasn’t he supposed to go on a rehab assignment?
Just put him on the 60-day DL already!
I think it's all about San Jose
Drive down the attendance in Oakland to prove that it isn’t a viable venue for MLB.
This is why General Managers shouldn’t get ownership stakes – because Beane might personally become very wealthy by putting a shitty team on the field in Oakland. I’m not saying that’s what is happening, but as you said, it’s an open question. And because he’s fielding these shitty teams, Beane has left himself open to the question.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So are the guys at Goldman Sachs
Didn’t stop them
Or baseball contracts in general.
But then again- Latrell Sprewell did need to feed his family.
Hey man, food is expensive
$14 million doesn’t go as far is it used to
"I'll have a 1/4 pounder with EVERYTHING."
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You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?
A Royale with cheese.
Every man for himself...
...
Quarter Pounder with cheese? Well, I can picture the cheese, but, uh, do they have Krusty partially gelatinated non-dairy gum-based beverages?
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
Yeah, they call em "Shakes."
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by Rebuilding Season on Jun 19, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Pfft.
You don’t know what the heck is in a “shake.”
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Jun 20, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
We're talking mega-wealthy
And the Holliday trade last year – who did we surround him with? Last year’s roster was pretty terrible. One good player doesn’t equal success. Bringing him in might have quieted the die-hard fans, but it was still a losing season.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Russ Springer…Dana Eveland…Sean Gallagher…so many fond memories….
Do you know that Booby Croz had the third highest salary on the 2009 A’s?
Holliday – 13,500,000 (just slightly more expensive than Sheets)
Chavez – 11,500,000
Booby – 5,300,000
Really got some bang for the buck, eh?
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder the same.
I hate to be conspiratorial… but it could be as easy as “Hey Bob, just sit on this for a few years. Don’t worry about the results too much.”
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Why is Jack Cust leading off an inning?
He doubled, what else do you want?
(Him to not get doubled off, I know, but still)
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Um, I ADMITTED TO IT.
Sheesh, people.
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Been there.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
the angels are the most infuriating team to be in a division with
they are not a better team than the A’s. They just arent. Yet they lose their one legit hitter and go on a .800 winning % tear. Fuuuuuuuuuck I hate the baseball gods for this….
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
I’m gonna become an Angels fan just so the A’s start doing better.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."
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by bonehead Fred on Jun 19, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing:
The Angels ARE a better team than the A’s. Like it or not, they are.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
numbers disagree
LAA OPS+ = 96
LAA ERA+ = 96
OAK OPS+ = 92
OAK ERA+ = 103
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
you dont even try to understand my point
the Angels are not a good team, and havent been since 2005 or so. They win games miraculously and due to scheduling, not because of the talent on the field.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Being able to win games miraculously for five years
= good team.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Your point, to be honest, is silly
Miraculously? They’ve been doing it that way for quite a while. At what point is it not a fluke?
And scheduling? What, are you suggesting they only win the division because they get cupcake interleague opponents? Because other than that, they play the same teams the A’s do. Sometimes the A’s play a tough team one extra series and sometimes the Angels do, so that’s going to balance out.
This is something where OPS+, ERA+, Pythag records and so on go out the window. The Angels have found ways to consistently get the job done the last few years. The A’s haven’t. That makes the Angels better than the A’s.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Thought you might like to know one other thing
Average wins for the teams in the AL from 2004-2009:
NYY 96.5
LAA 94.5
BOS 94.2
MIN 87.5
CHI 85.3
OAK 83.0
CLE 82.2
TEX 81.5
DET 81.0
TOR 79.7
TBD 74.2
SEA 74.0
BAL 70.5
KCR 64.2
The A’s drop from 6th to 9th if you take out 2004, but the Angels remain 2nd. That’s not “winning miraculously.” that’s being consistently good.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Think we could trade Michael Taylor and Shane Peterson for him?
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 7:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be willing to add Clayton Mortensen if it would get the deal done.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to think of him
But couldn’t. Thx
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 9:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
NO THANK YOU.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You are being very inflammatory this evening.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Did you notice what worthless piece of crap
didn’t even get mentioned once in the recap?
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George Bush?
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes."
Jack Handy
by bonehead Fred on Jun 19, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Jack Ruby? John Wilkes Booth?
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 9:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
DAN JOHNSON
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by Rebuilding Season on Jun 19, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Terrance Long?
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Esteban German?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Arthur Rhodes?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 20, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
ughHh
Have you forgotten last season already?
by coffeektchoo on Jun 20, 2010 12:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hi guys
I showed up to try to feel better about this team’s enduring mediocrity.
It’s not really helping that much…
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Free Falling.
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I walked around St. Louis today in yellow tights.
Yellow tights! This doesn’t even get me a tie in the ninth? Sigh.
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by day-to-day on Jun 19, 2010 7:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
A tie doesn't really go with tights.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Nothing, of course.
The beauty is in the simplicity.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
pictures
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 19, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
(nico, not me)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
exactly
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
the tights, not the tie.
I assumed nico has several pairs including canary yellow and zebra.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
Nothing beats the faux-alligator print.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
I don't think Suzuki will be moved
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
er, wrong thread
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 19, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it! It looks like it's almost time to sell.
Who goes and who stays? They should definitely see what they can get for Sheets. Maybe see what they can get for Wuertz. As much as I like Ellis, I think this year might be the year to see what they can get for him. Kouzmanoff might fetch a good prsopsect, or maybe we can package some guys. One of the outfielders should probably be traded. They should definitely keep Suzuki, Barton, all the young pitchers in the rotation, and Bailey. There are other guys they should keep (Davis, Sweeney, Jackson, etc.), but if a good offer comes along, then they should definitely consider it.
Get rid of Crisp, if anyone would take him
Sheets at this point is $10m worth of rotation filler, and there’s really no one in Sacto to take his place. Might as well keep him.
Who would play 3rd if they traded Kouzmanoff? I don’t see Rosales as an everyday third baseman.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Dallas McPherson could play 3rd the rest of the year, if trading Kouzmanoff is worth it. It’s not like if they sell they are going to compete at the same time. So if trading Kouzmanoff gets us a good prospect or two in return, then does it really matter who plays 3rd if they are not going to be in contention?
That's not what I'm saying at all
All I’m saying is that you try and get value for guys that are probably not going to be around in the long run, and this team isn’t winning in the short term, so they might as well get some future value for those guys.
And if getting a good prospect or two for Sheets means we have to put somebody like Tomko in the rotation, then it’s worth it. You do realize that there really is no point in keeping Sheets if they aren’t going to be in contention this year? After this year he would be gone anyways, so why not get something for him in a trade while he’s still on the team?
Do you think you'll get a good prospect or two for Sheets?
I don’t. He’ll have to be whirling dervish on the mound between now and the ASB to get anything at all, and I doubt that’s going to happen.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd expect a return like the Mariners got for Jarrod Washburn.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay
Sure, if we could get one halfway decent prospect – like someone who can actually setup for the closer without disaster ensuing – I’d be all for it. But honestly, putting aside what we’d get for him, why would a contending team want him in their rotation?
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
To replace Jeff Suppan?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess...
But if Cliff Lee is available (and he will be) why not go for him? Sheets isn’t all that much of an upgrade at this stage.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the Cards have the prospects to get Lee
Reds also have a pretty bad rotation.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
HALAMA!!!!!!
HILLIS...where are you???
by robbo650 on Jun 19, 2010 9:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mortensen.
He’s different now. He may actually not suck if he gets called up.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 20, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
If someone would give something decent for him
As he proves himself healthy in multiple AAA games, hell yeah
by OaklandSi on Jun 20, 2010 5:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A question for those technically proficient in these matters:
Does this mean the A’s could have a shot at snagging Mathieson from Philly?
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
The A's can trade for him, or if he's exposed to waivers
they can claim him if and only if an AL team with a worse record (e.g., Baltimore) doesn’t claim him first.
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I can't imagine this dude clears waivers
unless of course he is hurt again.
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by Buck Turgidson on Jun 19, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Buck's days are numbered...
Unless the future is Sweeney, Jackson, Taylor with Buck as the 4th OFer… Assuming we still have a future???
Every man for himself...
ClayMort has never pitched well.
But they might do this anyway.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Except he hasn't been, especially
Don’t have all the deeper stats at hand but while he’s closing in on going 10-2 his ERA is around 4.00 and his WHIP is around 1.35, and I don’t know what he’s doing to get all those wins but I suspect it’s got more to do with them getting more offensive support than others come away with.
Kyle Middleton is only 3-5 but he has a better ERA (by nearly a full run) and WHIP than Mortensen and batters are only hitting .239 against him compared to .273 for Mortensen.
Mortensen does get more groundball outs, at least.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I wouldn't mind bringing up Middleton
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Carter and Middleton and who else?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I can sort of see Godfrey. The others seem like career minor leaguers
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We should, quite seriously,
sign Gilbert Godfrey and immediately anoint him as the team’s set-up man. That I would pay to see.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sogard's a career minor leaguer on a hot streak
Let’s milk that nipple juice!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 20, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He was last year.
This year, in Sac, he’s kicking ass and taking names.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 20, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as i would like to be negative about our situation..
I still think we have a good chance in this division! Yeah we’re 8 games back but all it takes is 1 one to start a streak..let’s just get this through inter-league trip, get back home and focus on winning! We can still do this! look at the Rockies last year..they we’re amazing, yes i know they got a new manager but they came back from 9.5 games behind and snagged the wild card i don’t see us grabbing the wild card but i can definitely see us getting back in this and showing this division what we’re really made of! All I’m say is don’t push the panic button just yet we have a good amount of season left!
ok that was my little bit of optimism for the night!
GO A’s!
by HeavyHitters510 on Jun 19, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the spirit!
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter how good they are at home if they
can’t win on the road.
This is not a playoff team…
Why not trade Barton???
Isn’t Carter going to be the 1B …
Let’s sell high Billy
Every man for himself...
They might, but he wouldn't bring much back.
Look at the market for Lyle Overbay. There isn’t one.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping San Diego would have traded A. Gonzalez and they might be in need a 1B
but they are playing really well and it’s Oakland who is looking to sell if things continue to sink
Every man for himself...
I think they'd just move Blanks to 1B. He isn't really an OF.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
SD has an option for AG in 2011
and are in first place. Gonzalez is not going anywhere
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
DH yes, and it's getting to the point where he's about as good as Cust.
I’d think he could replace him by the end of the summer.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I want...
… a real DH, and a manager with a baseball IQ larger than his uniform number, and a season not full of lied-about injuries that spiral into career-threatening crises, and a 2-hitter that doesn’t bunt guys over from 2nd with no one out, and Free Agents that didn’t all have total-body-reconstruction surgery 6 months ago, and an ownership not content with a brand of sleep-inducing mediocrity that appears designed to keep away all but the most rabid fans so they can leave it all behind and move the team, and a bullpen that doesn’t lead MLB in innings pitched by the middle of June every year, and a GM that doesn’t switch the channel over to the Netherlands-Japan match mid-game, and…
YOU’LL GET NOTHING, AND LIKE IT!!!!!!!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Can't question the man's dedication
To watch Netherlands – Japan you have to wake up before 4:30am on a Saturday, or never go to sleep on Friday.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 19, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That was a pretty good game. Japan's a fairly sound team. Not a lot of goal scoring talent but still...
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I called Argentina before it started
and I’m sticking with that, unless someone takes Messi and Tevez out with an errant vuvuzuela blast, which I truly hope does not happen.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
They certainly have massive talent.
Maradona’s the Ozzie Guillen of the World Cup though.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I LOVE Maradona
I will bet any of you money that Zidane is the next French coach in 2012, just based on Maradona’s emotionalism and passionate commitment, where he looks like he is gonna take off his clothes and snort the foul lines after every goal they score.
When I watch them, I find myself wishing he managed the A’s, if only for the entertainment value, which as we know is as sorely lacking as NBC’s 1974 Fall Lineup with our squad.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
NBC should resurrect their 1974 Fall Lineup now.
I have no idea what it was, but it would be entertaining in its own way.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
too bad the A's can't put their 1974 Fall Lineup out there
Jackson, Rudi, Tenace, and Campy sure worked on the Dodgers.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure all those guys would listen if the A's called.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
1973-74 was a terrible season for NBC.
They were getting beat on almost every night, so they brought out a lot of new shows in the fall, including Little House on the Prairie, Chico and the Man, The Rockford Files, and Police Woman.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
My google-fu is strong.
The one 1974 NBC show I actually have a distinct real-life memory of is “Born Free”, which my family watched but which was canceled.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
The A's could use some fire
Anywhere, in the crowd, in the front office, in the lineup. Although I can’t say Oakland needs anymore fire.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 19, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I had lived in a house that burned down in that fire. I had already moved
out by my neighbor died in it.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to go to the game tomorrow, but now I don't know that I want to.
This team is pretty painful to watch.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
Just now
Marlins and Rays just went Final with 2 extra innings in stoppage time, players exchanging jerseys on Vuvuzela Night, 9-8.
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Ooh -- James Shields gets the win...In relief!
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Anibal Sanchez came out to pinch hit in the 11th
Gotta love NL baseball.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 19, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
{Or AL baseball managed by Bob Geren}
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Per Jane Lee
#Athletics entered June at top of AL West. 19 days later, they’re 8 back of TEX & have lost 4 straight…to which Barton says, “Who cares?”
Umm…is what Barton said good or bad?
did he really say that?
In the immortal words of somebody, Holy Toledo!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out if he meant
It’s only June. Who cares?
or
Who cares? This team sucks. Fuck you, Bob Geren. Thanks for making me bunt.
Correction: God makes him bunt, Geren just makes him sick.
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Hopefully Jane Lee will include more context in her post-game story.
I agree, it’s hard to decipher.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Nah. It's more fun to crucify him now.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need no CONTEXT here!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
CONTEXT is for eggheads with rational sense
I prefer to rip off all my clothes and bay like a rabid dog until people agree with what I say!!!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That explains a lot!!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Like what?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
like today would have been the 62nd birthday
of Nick Drake ;)
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been meaning to check out his oeuvre as you suggested
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
click that song
it’s pretty darn awesome.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick Drake is pretty darn awesome.
(Though I’m embarrassed to admit that I’m one of the tens of millions of people who became aware of him through a car commercial.)
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 19, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that AT&T ad that's running now
is undoubtedly sending the 14 people on Earth who still don’t know who he was scurrying to the record stores in earnest, I’d imagine.
I found him late in the game too, but before the Volkswagen ad… a roommate brought home a compilation CD of his and we sat there, both guitar players, with our jaws pinned to our chests in disbelief.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno who he is.
But musically I’m stuck in like 1996.
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he's the Hendrix of the acoustic guitar
about whom guitar nerds like me argue about whether he tuned the high strings lower than the low ones for some of his tunes.
He wrote these melancholic songs that essentially reflect what the inner world of an autistic person might sound like if they wrote songs. He spoke not three words to anyone, refused to play live and died of an overdose — of antidepressant meds — at age 26, in 1974.
He sold 20,000 records in his lifetime, and 20 million since… acknowledged to be one of the greatest and most unique songwriters and guitarists ever to do it.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool.
Suppose I’ll check it out. It’s that dude singing where the orange curtains all over the world or something?
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yes
“From the Morning” is the tune there.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
here mikey and you all
don’t say I never gave ya nuthin’
Nicholas Rodney Drake, 6/19/48-11/25/74
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it.
Very mellow. Kick back with a cigar and a cocktail sort of music. :)
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You're doing the Macarena?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't be farther from that.
pantera, mudvayne, etc.
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Pantera
Darryl was a helluva player too, disgusting what happened, just evil.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
To think...
Heath Ledger was going to play him in a biopic :(
Rest well sweet prince.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
That's right Barton
Who cares?
You still get paid right?
That kind of comment is why no one comes to the park.
this assumes
that they want anyone to come to the park, which IMO gets to be more of a stretch for even the most level-headed observers among us every day.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would they not want people to come?
Do they want to close the second deck?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I say tarp the dugout and Geren's office
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, even your sigline is in all caps
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's slightly bad....but it just means he's frustrated.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm. Hard to read.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
That would be better than "who cares? we're the a's. no one watches us anyways."
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
who cares?
certainly not the 12 fans left in the East Bay!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, 11. I'm out.
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you don't count
Berkeley people, you know how “they” are anyway. Coming to the games with all those Young Communists schoolkids and all…
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Um - ask the season ticket holders
Wow, if that’s his loser attitude I hope they drop kick his ass all the way back to Oakland.
He does know that he’s hardly a superstar, right? He reminds me of Dan Johnson without the power. What a horrible attitude to cop.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
can't say I am shocked
he seems, well… let’s just say Albert Einstein doesn’t need to quit his day job because of Daric Barton.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So Einstein should quit his night job because of Barton?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
let's just say that DB might be
several Chomskys short of a Lakoff.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
George Lakoff?
The Berkeley professor?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
we have a winner!
well-played, WC!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Two questions:
1) What do I win?
2) What does Dr. George have to do with Barton? Is Barton monolingual?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just finding allegedly clever ways to say
that Daric Barton, although possessed of certain physical baseball talents, is not in any danger of taking over the MENSA chairmanship anytime soon.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So when he says something stupid, it's because he is stupid, not
because he’s got a bad attitude?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I met him
and based on what I’ve heard him say then and in the press, I can’t say that he strikes me as the swiftest boat in the bathtub, no.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
So you'd say he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 19, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say he's a few sacrifices short of swinging away, yes
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So many chances to just say, "he's a moron"
and you couldn’t resist more metaphors. You’re a maniacal metaphor manufacturing machine!
I'm just a few metaphors short of...
well, never mind. .;)
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an intriguing question
Maybe he’s too stupid to hide his bad attitude.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit his head in a swimming pool
That’s all you need to know.
right?
I was trying not to just outright say “this dude ain’t too bright” but there you go.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait! I have someone dumber!
I had a Royals game on last year and during a lengthy rain delay they showed an interview with John Buck. Oh my god, he was as dumb as a lettuce. It was painful to watch. I was embarrassed for him.
I think he beat us this year with the Jays. I hate it when that happens.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't have to be smart to hit a fastball over the fence.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Depends on which half he's answering.
If he’s talking about being eight back of Texas then “who cares?” is a good answer. If he’s talking about losing the last four games then “who cares?” is a bad answer.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Jane clarified in a later tweet
Hat Barton was referring to being 8 games behind Texas. The context was that they couldn’t control what other teams do. He added that every team loses 4 in a row at some point, and added “that’s baseball.”
by OaklandSi on Jun 20, 2010 5:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Makes sense to me.
boop boop!
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Or bedtime
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 19, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Here in Germany, it's always bedtime when the A's are playing.
(And in Soviet Union, curtains start YOU!)
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 19, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
More from Jane Lee
Barton’s comment came when talking about losses/division standings. He said every team loses 4 in a row at some point…“that’s baseball”
Lee clarifies. Yeah, I'm not feeling it. It's not 'just baseball'
Barton’s comment came when talking about losses/division standings. He said every team loses 4 in a row at some point…“that’s baseball”
http://twitter.com/JaneMLB/status/16593375259
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truly inspiring stuff
So I guess no postgame-spread toppling is coming from him anytime soon….
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's better than what was originally quoted, thankfully.
Not by much, granted.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
no its not better
there is nothing wrong with the first quote. the implication is I don’t care what the standings are, I am just here to play. Daric barton cannot single handedly put the A’s in first place. he can just play well. If the A’s were 8 up I would want him to say the same thing.
Any reading of this as a bad attitude is idiotic, just as its idiotic that people would think that 25 players the management and coaching staff aren’t trying to win. Look at the preseaon projections, the A’s fared well. if billy beane wanted to build a loser he could have done a better job.
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by Future Ed on Jun 19, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Sheets' response
He said that there are pitchers with better w-l records who have pitched worse than him, but no matter how you slice it 2-8 sucks
by OaklandSi on Jun 20, 2010 5:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if by "better" you mean
you just throw up your hands in total disgust and burn your season tickets in the oven, rather than smashing your head into a brick wall until your brain explodes, then yeah.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it weird that I'm finding myself half-agreeing with both Future Ed and EN's posts?
Even though they’re pretty much polar opposites?
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
It's called the FEEN Paradox
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
see the complete quote below
The Trib clarified it and DB sounds a lot better with the actual full thing.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I always feel better with my actual full thing as well.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously
what can you do with a half-full thing? Not much.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like you're a half-empty person
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
my glass is all full
half with water the other half with air.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
This is why sometimes just a couple words on Twitter from a writer can give wrong impressions
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Fuck you
What I meant — and this was taken out of context — was, “Who gives a fuck, you are right!”
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Twitter sucks.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
it does illustrate problems with twitter
the whole quote doesn’t fit well in twitter, but the desire to scoop the other writers drives the shoddy work that was that twitter message.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Well it seems like JaneMLB was trying to stir up some shit.
She had all the info. Easy enough to give it enough context for readers to get the point.
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It's called bad journalism.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
maybe DBarton and Powell can form team RAMROD-
and drill that ole devil (Jane Lee) in the ass…
Every man for himself...
Geren and stupid comment #1266 for the season
“We’ve been playing decent, I like the way our lineup looks,” manager Bob Geren said. “We’ve been playing decent, we really have.”
Can't wait until they start playing badly.
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someone needs to cut all his postgame excuses onto a vinyl record
and make a dope hip-hop jam scratching them in over some tight beats…
[[[rough, bass-heavy groove plays]]]
“I..I..I.. really like really like really like our lineup… li…li…li..lineup… play…play…play we’re playing decent…cent..cent…”
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not just download it?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If there was even the smallest chance our season was not over
After reading that comment and the one from Barton, there is no doubt that this team as is will be 10 games under .500 within 2 weeks,.
Maybe less than 2 weeks
After tomorrow’s loss and getting swept by the Reds, that’s 8 games under .500 in 4 days
You know what would be good to see at the moment
Zero people show up at the park for the 1st home game. Do you think they would get the message?
They'd just announce the attendance as "25,000" and no one would be able to refute it
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
they'd be hi-fiving each other in the owner's box
and unrolling a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner from sec 242 above the batter’s eye in CF.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
EN. You are probably correct
I have nothing but contempt for these people
and the feeling is mutual, apparently
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Now you can see
Why I say “FU to management”: as often as I can
I'd consider dressing up in a 1930s-era white suit, or a plaid sportscoat and bow-tie
a la Connie M. or Charlie O., and walking up to Woo Woof in his plush seats by the dugout and challenging him to a duel with pistols in the parking lot, if I thought it would help any.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he got the choice of weapons if you challenged
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
fair enough
but can this be settled with soccer balls?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If you shoot them out of a cannon
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn EN, you've been riding this "Lew Wolff is trying to kill the fanbase" train hard
All hatred for Wolff aside, just based on feasibility, don’t you think a stadium in San Jose is 10 times easier to accomplish than in Oakland? It’s a troubled urban community, they’ve got so many bigger fish to fry!
answer is too complicated for a single comment, rooster
I don’t hate Wolff, hate is not a productive emotion in this life. My feeling is that when you come out and say you hate where you play, it’s never a good thing for your product and it doesn’t do much to elevate positive awareness of your product either. And if you’ve already stated your aversion to, if not your outright contempt for, the people who support your product, it’s not exactly a living proof of your desire to do anything but ride out the situation until you get what it appears you wanted all along, and which you’ve essentially said you wanted from the strat.
Lew’s not a baseball owner, he’s a real estate developer, and he’s here to develop real estate. Somewhere else.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
and don't be so available to ride this
“Oakland is a troubled urban community” thing too tough, because in reality every urban, inner city community has more than its share of troubles and when you hear the media singling out Oakland, you are hearing the repetition of what amounts to a racist myth and also constitutes a form of subtle punishment for the 1960s revolution and the role of Oakland and certain Oakland residents in that struggle.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone doubts Wolff wants to move the team to SJ
and doesn’t like Oakland. But why would he want to kill the fanbase? A team without a fanbase is less attractive to San Jose.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
the fanbase as it stands is of limited means, at best
and he can fill a 40,000-seater down in SJ with little or none of the people who go now to the games, especially given that it will be brand new and all glitzed-up.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, but what's the purpose of alienating anyone, even if you're
not likely to need them later. If nothing else you want to maximize TV ratings and the East Bay matters for that.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he is kind of irrational about Oakland
and his experience with Al Davis, Dellums (who is an excreble, moronic clown on a good day) and the Coliseum has made him, IMO, so enraged at his predicament that he is sort of available to insult the East Bay contingent even when he’s trying to be nice, such is his growing contempt.
Of course, if I had to room with Al Davis, we’d be having this conversation through the thick glass at San Quentin, so I can’t say I blame him entirely.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the part that I see.
Al Davis has essentially got whatever the hell he’s wanted from the city, and the A’s have gotten 2 things: Jack and Shit.
I can understand the die hard people from Oakland not wanting to lose their team, but…
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Stockholm Syndrome
In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
FEAR
What I feel when shown this photo of Al Davis
Really? I want to call a plastic surgeon.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooh. Irrationality is bad. Fisher should spank him.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
As bad as he is, and as much as he drives me nuts
I pity Al Davis. You can make a solid argument that the NFL wouldn’t be as successful as it is today with Al Davis – he is one of the 5-10 most important people in the history of football. But that is tarnished because the old fool can’t accept that the game passed him by years ago.
Shit I meant
You can make a solid argument that the NFL wouldn’t be as successful as it is today without Al Davis
It's a good point
But I think EN is talking more about killing the fanbase in terms of killing attendance.
What's the benefit to killing attendance?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Easier to cut and run
if no one seems to care if you do
He can cut and run whenever he wants.
As long as enough owners approve.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they wanna start this thing called "A's" over from scratch
and they are confident the sports-hungry citizens of SJ will help them do that with little or no input from the previous incarnation or its fans.
I’m not saying that this is a rational or sound strategy at all, just that this is what, in their anger and hubris, they think they can accomplish.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it's certainly not rational, and if I were Fisher
I’d insist on rationality.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Millionaires with hubris?
Get out of here!
Sadly I'll never be one.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
neither one of us will ever be a hubris
Wait! You'll be a millionaire!
(shakes fist)
(tries to figure way to borrow money)
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not basing it solely on the news media
I’ve lived in the East Bay for a couple of years and have lived within an hour and a half my whole life. I know Oakland, and I do believe it’s a troubled community. The city has a lot of problems. It’s by no means Detroit, but there’s a lot more pressing issues than a baseball stadium.
Detroit
got a beautiful new park.
Oakland won’t, but the reasons, like I said, are far too complex for a comment on here and speak to issues and realities and grudges that go back decades, even before any of us were born, I’m afraid.
I’d write about Oakland more on here, and the internal history of here, but I’d be booted off for starting historical/political arguments related to race, class, the 1960s rebellion, and a whole host of other things, so I refrain.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Detroit got a park
But before the Great Recession and the collapse of the US auto industry. That city has been hit as hard as any major metropolitan area in the US.
it also doesn't have a viable alternative 30 miles down the road.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Ann Arbor!
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a complicated issue
I’ve followed it for years and even covered it for Oakland North last month, and I think San Jose is the best remaining California option.
Getting a stadium built in California is so damn hard, I just feel like Oakland was never a realistic possibility. You need strong political will to get something like this done, and although Dellums talks a nice game, he was never going to use any political capital (as miniscule as it is) to try to keep the A’s.
If Wolff had tried his damndest to get a stadium in Oakland, could it have happened? I have my doubts. I don’t think it would have been better than a 35/65 proposition in favor of a new stadium.
But the one thing we can agree on is, Wolff wanted San Jose from the beginning. That is clear. How much of his “efforts” to keep the A’s in Oakland were a dog and pony show? That’s up for debate. But ultimately, I think he’s making the right choice to go to San Jose. I think it’s what’s best for the long-term future of the team.
Geren and Beane wouldn't get the message
if the A’s were 30 games under .500
Again, we’ll get this quote no matter what:
"We’ve been playing decent, we really have."
ALso
We get a #1 or 2 in the draft so we can develop him and trade him.
The Grieve and Mulder trades worked out OK
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Barton doesn't hit HRs
Anderson is hurt
Carter can’t hit above .250 in AAA
Carlos who?
The list goes on
OK, but Ellis was good.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric Paterson, "Showing Me Something" (Bob Geren Mix)
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 19, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
whoops....somehow left out a "t"
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 19, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's his rapper name
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
they had 8 hits today
10 yesterday, that’s pretty good against two top pitchers.
the A’s are 11-7 in 1 run games. the past week is just making up for the good luck they had ealier in the year. Its really not that bad. Frustrating yes, but no bad.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
A graphic came up on MLB TV that Texas has a .290 BA in their last 11 games
We have one of those for the month.
They are 10-1 and we are 5-13 or the month. Their pitching is 2.66 ours is double that so when you add a horrible month of pitching with a horrible manager along with horrible RISP and about 2,000 less home runs, you get a 5-13 record.
it's actually 2,437 less homers
but other than that, GREAT post TM ;)
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I vote Hinch being worse. He actually has some talent on that team.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And Haren
Drew, Young and Jackson are also having decent years
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
They still have Edwin
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd prefer Reggie Jackson
Probably not Joe Jackson.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Which Joe Jackson?
The one who beat up his kids, or the English one?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 20, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Take that, Arizona!!!
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again." - Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
I wonder what our one good SP at the moment thinks about the game tomorrow
And since Gio has problems with his composure at the moment, he does not count as that ine good pitcher.
Go get em Trev!!!. We will try to get a run for you. We will certainly try to avoid any errors to make it harder on you.
Regards
Who cares
stay clever, Trevor
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
or
Your 2010 Oakland Athletics: Anyone doing anything fun tonight?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a party at Eric Chavez's place tonight
He got plenty of $$$ to throw around.
another one for the summer ad campaign
Your 2010 Oakland Athletics: We’re playing, um, decently.
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Athletics Nation: We’re A Big Fucking Bowl Of Okay
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or
Your 2010 Oakland Athletics: Baseball just isn’t viable in the East Bay… ladies and gentlemen, your designated hitter, Eric Patterson!
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Athletics Nation: Eric Patterson Is Really Showing Us Something
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well done sir
Athletics Nation: We Really Kept You In the Game Today
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hahahaha
Athletics Nation: I Quit Drugs for THIS?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's wrong with the bold?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Someone left a bold tag open, and it makes all the text in replies after it bold.
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This is actually true
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They'd get more attention if they played indecently
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
for '70s night, they should just ditch the throwbacks
and play stark naked.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
With moustaches
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
8000 B.C. Throwbacks Night!
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Is there an Ug bobblehead?
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yes
but the bobbling portion isn’t the head.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer to sit here and post
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
WHERE DOES COLBY LEWIS GET OFF THROWING A 2 HIT CGSO?!?!
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We had this guy once right?
Before he went to Japan.
He sucked for us?
Yes. He sucked a lot. But now he's good apparently.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he take less money in Texas?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just that.
He came up through the Texas farm system, got his MLB debut with Texas, and played parts of three seasons in the majors with Texas.
His time in Oakland was just a temporary stay.
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yep
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nolan Ryan told him
not to come back to that dugout with any of that “excruciating elbow agony” stuff.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
We should try that with our guys.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just thinking about all the outfielders we traded
who are launching bombs
Ethier’s numbers are inflated because of that league but then there’s Nelson Cruz. We could use that kind of pop could we not. Even though he’s on the DL with a hammy, he could probably hit the ball further standing on his head.
Yes Cruz for Ginter was not one of Billy's better moves.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
that guy has a big boomstick, I heard
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cruz also didn't do anything with MIlwaukee and was traded to Texas and has really only had one good year (2009)
and now this year as well.
Might as well bitch because we didn’t keep Carlos Pena.
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No
Cruz is a much better hitter by about 100 plus points.
Cruz was traded away in 2004. His first good year was in 2009.
Pena was traded away in 2002. His first good year was in 2007.
See what I mean?
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Cruz was also good in 2008
He still has only 2+ years of service, so Texas will get 6.5 years out of him starting in 2008.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That's their fault for not bringing him up sooner. He was plenty ready.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but it's not like he had any significant effect on the team or anything.
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The larger point is that he could still be in Oakland and he'd be their
best player. Instead Ginter sucked.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
he could also still be in milwaukee and he'd be their best player.
I mean, really…
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Yes, if I were a Brewer fan I'd be pissed.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, at least they traded Cruz AND Carlos Lee in the same deal.
oh..
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i'm pretty sure he was on waivers at one point
Every team could have had him. Milwaukee could have had him again.
Correct.
We traded Cruz to Milwaukee before the 2005 season. Milwaukee traded Cruz to Texas at the trade deadline in the 2006 season (part of the Carlos Lee deal).
At the start of the 2008 season, Cruz did not make the team out of spring training. Since he was out of options, Texas had to DFA him, but he cleared waivers. Any team could have claimed him at that time.
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And Ryan Ludwick
Don’t forget about him.
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Oakland Trib has more of Barton's quote
This actually doesn’t sound as dense as ‘who cares’….
“We don’t care about Texas, we don’t care about the (Los Angeles) Angels, we don’t care about the (Seattle) Mariners,” first baseman Daric Barton said. “All we can do is control our own team.”
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 10:15 PM PDT reply actions
This actually makes sense.
Stupid context.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes much more sense.
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wow... that IS a lot better
Jane should have run the whole thing to begin with so we wouldn’t be on here ripping one of our best, smartest and most essential players [[[runs and hides]]]
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care if you think he's smart or not,
but he certainly is, at this point, one of our best and most essential players.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
He can't hear you. He's hiding.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
[[[plays Nick Drake's entire catalog in headphones]]]
wha? did someone say something?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It was fun while it lasted though.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It also includes some pearls of wisdom from Bobo
On Wainwright: “He has quite a few different ways to get guys out,” A’s manager Bob Geren said.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There really needs to be a Bob Geren caldender
a quote for each day of the month. “how to aspire to being average”
pure genius at work
Tomorrow’s quote today, from the EN Crystal Ball:
“Suppan is a crafty guy, he’s been around a long time and today showed why.”
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What was Macha's bread and butter quote when a shitty pitcher dominated our lineup
“Sometimes you gotta tip your cap” or somethin?
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I went bald tipping my cap game after game.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
it was
“Sometimes you gotta tip your cap and then run to the clubhouse cuz one of your pitchers just locked himself in a bathroom stall and he can’t get out.”
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it hard to believe that dude was a black belt or whatever they said he was.
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There is such thing as a black belt?
I thought it was just something 9 year olds said.
Can they control their own team?
If they can, somebody’s gotta ask:
1) So this is how you choose to control it?; or
2) Why don’t you, then?
Unfortunately I’m under the impression that those who actually can control this team won’t, don’t, or don’t give a rat’s ass.
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If you can control your own team, then WIN!!!
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JAINE LEE IS TRYING TO MOVE THE A"S TO SAN JOSE!!!!!11
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Clearly Jane Lee is held to the same standards the players are.
“You fucked up? Don’t worry, we’ll get them tomorrow…..or maybe the next day.”
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
OH NO.
THE MARLINS HANDED OUT VUVUZELAS?!?!?!?!
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WTF NO.
I already could barely handle the fact that my team handed out crappy backwards bath robes.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
and they're high pitched. they fucking sound like kazoos.
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Calm down, there were only 12 people in the stands.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
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Apparently 23000 paid
15000 Vuvus handed out.
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It's gonna be a hot time in old town tonight.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
hey wait a minute
I went to my kid’s graduation is one of those bathrobes!!!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The other kid looks like I'd look if I had to sit next to that all game.
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2nd Half Team!
Right? The A’s have been that way for quite a few years. Let the Rangers and Angels be hot now, who cares? It’s June! Talk to me in August and September! Nothings over until we decide it is! Tomorrow we win, and back home for a decent home stand. Just linger around until we get hot. Don’t give up, AN!
"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit
by A'sfansince1970 on Jun 19, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions
Did the Americans give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The fat lady can't sing if she hasn't left the building!
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When was the last year we got hot in the second half?
2005 or so? It’s been so long I’ve forgotten.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the new found positive energy
But having said that….if we lose a home series to the Pirates….It may be time to throw in the towel.
Honestly guys, I was bummed, too
But this team is in much better shape than it was when it fell out of contention last year. We have at least 3 very quality starters we should be able to depend on (Gio, Cahill, Braden), the obligatory starter who “could throw a no-hitter any night when healthy” (Brett Andersen), and guys who can actually hit for a decent average (Barton, Rosales, Kouz, Sweeney, Zook). And definitely average-to-plus defense at the corner infield positions, shortstop, catcher and outfield.
Last year, NO ONE could hit, we were still stuck on the whole “Gio will be great eventually” train and Cahill was in AAA. Things looked bleak and we were dealing with a lot more maybes heading into the offseason.
If the power plan comes along as planned and either Carter or Taylor can hit some bombs in the big leagues next year, we’re one shrewd or expensive FA bat away from having a solid lineup next year.
The team is young, we’re not looking so bad. This year probably isn’t going to happen, but is this the kind of lineup you want to take into the postseason against the Yankees or Rays anyway?
Not all is lost, AN. We still have yet to see the Rangers play well in the scorching summer months this year, and the dreaded Slegna can’t run this hot with their ragtag band of overpaid vets forever.
And if we end up having to go to the old “maybe next year” again, just take solace in the fact that this time, next season is looking better than it has since 05.
On the positivity train tonight, huh
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'm just trying to keep the big picture mentality
Remember the polls on AN in spring training? Even we weren’t giving the A’s a realistic shot at the division. Everybody is upset because of the promise the team showed early, but if we’re being honest, we were all surprised at the early season success. Looking to next year is the most realistic outlook.
man, I didn't know Kool-Aid could taste so good!!! [[[drinks]]]
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That reminds me of an absolutely hilarious NSFW pic I saw.
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs545.snc3/29847_402639582360_608257360_4096086_2528383_n.jpg
NSFW because of bad language.
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riotous, Mikey
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I can't claim it, just passing the hilarity on to those who could appreciate it.
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I'd like to agree, but I'm concerned
that Taylor and Cardenas have stalled so badly and that the minor league pitching is just not there. You know that not all of Braden, Anderson, Cahill, and Gio will be healthy, I don’t think Mazzaro’s very good and the dropoff to Ross (two pitches, poor control, bad mechanics) and…and…is steep. But…hope springs eternal…
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The one saving grace could be all the $$ that comes off the books
If the A’s can land a real hitter and a decent pitcher — which is hoping for a lot — they could be in good shape.
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Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee look pretty good.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Who else is there?
Dunn, Berkman, Konerko, Derrek Lee, Jeter, Magglio and Werth seem the best of the remaining hitters. Not a great selection.
I say outbid the Yanks for Crawford.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe a chance the Yanks sign Werth instead of Crawford since they have to pay Jeter again?
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If I were they, I'd sign Jeter, Lee and Crawford.
Why wouldn’t they?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No idea. I haven't paid attention to their $$ situation.
They’ll have to go and buy the 2 best FA pitchers since they’re replacing Vazquez and Pettitte, so…
probably Lee and Brandon Webb or something.
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Their $$ situation is that they have more than they know what to do with
They could afford a $400 million payroll if they wanted to.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
well, yeah.
but I’m sure there is some arbitrary figure that they “have to” stick to.
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I doubt it. I think they go as high as it makes sense before
the money is wasted. Crawford, Lee and Jeter aren’t likely to be a waste.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? Their strategy is to be the World Series favorite
every year. That’s not going to change whether they win the WS this year or finish 3rd.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
lee still boggles my mind
he was SENT TO THE MINORS like 3 years ago and all of a sudden became one of the best pitchers in baseball.
Honestly I could see the Yankees giving him ridiculous money and then him turning back into a pumpkin.
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Is it more boggling than Dontrelle Willis
who went from highly-paid all-star to AA ball?
Well, Willis started off really good and fell apart.
Lee was like below average and then all of a sudden FUCKING ZOMG AWESOME.
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Nah, Willis had funky mechanics.
Either the league has worked out his deceptive motion, or he simply can’t repeat the delivery that made him so effective. It happens.
Lee is a pod person.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
He was injured
He’s always been very good when healthy.
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He had 1 all star caliber year in his first 4 full seasons
then became superhuman in 08 and 09.
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Trying to outbid the Yanks for Crawford
would be like trying to get Elton John to perform at Rush Limabugh’s wedding.
Oh, wait…
Is Rush related to Jose Limabugh?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!
Where’s mikev so he can all caps yell at you, too
I want to change my monicker to CansecoLimabugh
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
What FA wants to come to Oakland?
The A’s pretty much have to outbid everyone by like a lot.
The only reason Sheets came is cuz of the money.
Well they have lots of money to outbid everyone by a lot because no
one’s taken their money yet.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
But they're not very good even in the minors
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You only need 3 good starters, which the A's will have
They’re just gonna need to try to get some power. The one thing that’s been glaringly clear for years now is WE NEED POWER. Not nice to have, not a plus, A NEED. If the A’s had a 35 homer guy in the lineup, just one of em, I think they’d be well over .500 right now.
at least there might be
over 500 people in the stands at the Coliseum, at any rate.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm tempted to go to a Monday night game sometime just to see first-hand how bad it is
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DON'T MAKE ME DO IT. I'LL GO TO AN A'S GAME I SWEAR TO FATHER DESME!
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Yeah you're tempted to go on Monday night
You and 3,500 other people!
I'll be in Sacramento this time around, where there will probably be more people
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Wait a sec
I’ll be in Sacramento this time around, where there will probably be more people
There ya go
I know catering to casual fans is killing attendance
But I really don’t want 10,000 more people there if they’re going to be the same disinterested, pathetic, weakass fans that go see that “baseball” team that plays in San Francisco
Do they have business casual giveaways?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually don't mind at all, if we can get more money for payroll then I really don't give a fuck.
I’m sick of hearing this money excuse.
Okay. I've calmed down a bit.
One thing we have to keep in mind is that facing Carpenter, Wainwright, Lincecum, Zito, and Cain in the span of a week is going to make even the best teams look bad. I mean, aside from Jimenez and Halladay, those guys essentially make up the list of best starters in the NL. We’re not really as bad as we’ve appeared to be. Now, contention? I don’t know. But expect better than the crap we saw this week.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
I don't want to look
but I wouldn’t be surprised if you hit Lurch Carpenter and girlie hips Wainwright harder than most ever other team. I can’t believe Rosales was the last hope though.
Interesting quote from Sheets from the Chronicle
“When you have a team that loses 90 games against a team that wins 90 or 100, chances are you’re going to lose a lot of games,” said Sheets, recalling his days as a Brewer.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
Great mentality, winner!
Please cobble together some good starts so we can trade your lameass for a couple kids
so we're the Brewers now?
pardon me for breathing, but these quotes don’t sound like the musings of some confident, ready-to-kick-the-ass-of-the-Devil professional athletes today, do they?
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by emperor nobody on Jun 19, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
More fiery win-at-any-cost Sheets wisdom
“My win-loss record sucks,” said Sheets, who’s 2-7 on the season, 0-4 this month. “That’s just the way it is. There are guys with better won-loss records who have pitched worse than I have. You take a win or loss for what it is – 2-7 sucks anyway you draw it up.”
In other words, he’s not getting enough run support.
by coffee roaster on Jun 19, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to argue with that.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah. that's just being honest.
he’s had some good starts and he’s had some awful ones. He’s probably not deserved to be 2-7, but oh well.
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Thats how it is
Phil Hughes is like 10-1 with a 3.11 era…Greinke is like 2-10 with a 3.94 era………its a capitalist sport.
You mean he'll be back?
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have read it wrong. This is what I see
"My win-loss record I sucks," said Sheets, who’s 2-7 on the season, 0-4 this month. "That’s just the way it is. There are guys who are with better won-loss records who have pitched worse better than I have. You take a win or loss for what it is – 2-7 sucks anyway you draw it up."
Oh wow. Fuck off then, Ben. Hand the money back on your way out.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
The future, as in a couple years from now, looks failry bright in a few scenarios. C Suzuki/Stassi, 1B Barton/Carter/Thompson, 2B Weeks/Cardeans, SS Green/Pennington, 3B Cabrera/Lewis/Parker, LF Sweeney/Carter/Choice, CF Choice/Davis/Shipman, RF Taylor/Sweeney, DH Carter/Thompson, Rotation: Anderson, Cahill, Braden, Gonzalez, Mazzaro/Iona/Simmons. That looks like a pretty promising future to me. I expect the lineup in 2 or 3 years to be a heck of a lot better than it is now, and I expect the rotation to be top notch.
I'm not seeing any perennial all-stars on that list
I guess Carter could be good if everything breaks right.
That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 19, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate all the Zooks trade talk
No more trading away our home-grown talent! At least not him.
As long as we continue to run him into the freaking ground
trading him before he eventually falls apart might not be the worst idea.
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Come on, the A's have never traded a player away who then proceeded to have numerous injury plagued seasons
get out of here
Huston Street
Giambi. Others?
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by A'sfansince1970 on Jun 20, 2010 7:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
More bullshit, and I'm sick of bullshit
Just got home from seeing the Joan Rivers documentary, which is surprisingly good - and find that I missed nothing.
Bob Geren about tonight’s game in the Chron: “But if you look at our overall play, we’re playing well, and our overall lineup is stronger than in April and May, and with the addition of Conor (Jackson) – and we’ll get Coco (Crisp) back soon – our offense is actually better. It will reflect.”
For god’s sake, Billy, get rid of the guy. The team’s in freefall and your manager is spouting platitudes.
"For god’s sake, Billy, get rid of the guy"
See you made the fatal mistake of assuming Beane actually runs and cares about the A’s.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
why, of course he cares
he was seen throwing the remore at the TV set today in mortal disgust, when Klose got red-carded off the pitch and Germany got beat a man down Rosales struck out with the go-ahead runs on base and the A’s lost!
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by emperor nobody on Jun 20, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
throwing the remote
and another semi-clever post gets ruined by bad typing [[[sigh]]]
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by emperor nobody on Jun 20, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Curse your fat fingers? Or Drunken ones?
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
So fuck you guys.
I leave you to cross the country and you turn in a 1-7 road trip on me? What the hell kind of stewards are you?
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Where are you, Bro?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
This thread is crazy.
Reading all the rants, you’d think we’re the freaking Orioles. In spite of the horrible slump, we’re still only 4 games under 500. Of the 13 games we’ve lost this month, eight of them were lost by only 1 or 2 runs. It’s not like we’re a horrible godawful team. We’re a slightly below average team currently in a slump.
Just take your Motrin and go to bed. In a day or two you’ll be feel better and won’t react to every little thing like it’s the end of the world.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
YES!!!
At last, permission to stop smashing my face into the wall until I am bleeding!!! [[[hugs iglew in gratitude]]
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by emperor nobody on Jun 20, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny you should say that
They’ve been the Orioles this month, at least in terms of W/L.
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I think the Cubs game put us over the edge
Only beating Carpenter and/or Wainwright could ease the pain and that didn’t happen.
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May Day! May Day! Abandon Ship!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Let's ruin a bunch of St. Louis Fathers Days
Go A’s
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Yay again!
AND Sheets looked much better this start! GO A’S!
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by A'sfansince1970 on Jun 20, 2010 7:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
MMunoz.
And I just fixed it.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
I'm not sure, but a bunch of unclosed bold tags kept appearing after his post.
I replied and closed it. Got the idea from iglew, actually.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Athletics Nation: We’ll Fix Your Goddamn Bold Tag
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why did you write that
now the terrorist know how to ruin the blogs.
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Okay --- my take this morning....
People are talking about blowing up the team and trading players. That’s ridiculous. With the single exceptions of Patterson, who’ll disappear the moment Coco Crisp is healthy, and Jack Cust - who should be replaced by someone who hits home runs with some regularity, whether it be Chris Carter or someone else’s salary dump - the position players are fine. The pitchers are slumping - and I wish the team would act and send down Tyson Ross and bring up Henry Rodriguez…but right now that’s about all they can do.
The REAL problem, I think, is Bob Geren. Usually when a team slumps, because you can’t fire the team, you fire the manager. In this case, you have a team that needs motivation, that needs a smart person pulling the strings, you need someone who’ll watch the players backs, play the hot hand. It’s true that Billy Martin blew out an entire pitching staff because he wanted to win so much. I’m not asking for that. But Geren seems more intent on making sure that little Johnny gets his lollipop than making sure that the team wins. That’s okay when your team is just up from AAA - but this team isn’t. This is the fourth year of the so-called rebuild. Get rid of this guy. Again, I’ll say it: get rid of this guy.
I'm starting to think Sweeney is a problem too.
His defence in RF is exceptional, but he doesn’t hit for any power and he doesn’t steal bases. For a team bereft of power you can’t have a singles hitter in RF when you already have on at 1B.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
More generally, it doesn't matter where you get power
but you have to get it somewhere. For LF, CF, RF, and 1B to combine for a projected 20-25 HRs combined just doesn’t work.
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I've been pretty neutral on Geren,
and not part of the “FIRE GEREN NOW” crowd. But I’d be on board for a firing.
Billy could say, “Yeah, I know, it’s not your fault. But that’s just the business, and it’ll be a good kick to get the team out of the slump to make the change now. Nothing personal, Bro.”
Put Tony DeFrancesco in as interim manager, since he already knows most of the players from Sacramento, then have a real manager search after the season, with Tony as one candidate.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I think a big part of the problem is the my "Johnny and the lollipop" analogy
If you look at all Geren’s moves over the past four years, they’re all about making sure the players get their pats on the back, that players get their time in the sun, that each player (like kindergarten children) know their roles. He’ll bench a player going 3-4 because another player might feel excluded.
You wonder how a veteran like Ellis feels, or a bulldog like Braden, to know that your manager’s prime goal is not to win.
Ellis needs the rest and Braden needs to be saved from himself.
I’ve no issues with rotating the position players so nobody stagnates, but he does it at the wrong times I think.
It’s the handling of the bull pen that really irritates me.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
...but he does it at the wrong times
That’s the point.
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