A's Acquire Conor Jackson from Diamondbacks for Sam Demel
by mikev on Jun 15, 2010 9:16 AM PDT
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Apparently the A's have sent Sam Demel to the Diamondbacks in exchange for Conor Jackson and cash.
Jackson is 28 and has hit .238/.326/.331 this year in 42 games for Arizona. According to Cots, Jackson is making $3.1 Million this season in his second year of arbitration.
In 22 games for Triple-A Sacramento, Demel was 2-0 with 6 saves, a 1.28 ERA, and 1.08 WHIP. Many at AN expected him to be called up in place of Tyson Ross who should be in Sacramento starting every 5th day.
I'm kinda scratching my head at this one.
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while I was putting together my fan post on this trade this one got published
so I’m deleting my post but adding it here as a comment. Hopefully the links will work here without re-doing them.
The A’s just traded for Diamondbacks OF Conor Jackson. Minor league pitcher Sam Demel goes to Arizona in exchange.
Here’s the announcement from MLB.com
I seem to remember that Beane had tried to trade for Jackson (and Carlos Quentin) some years back, in exchange for Eric Byrnes (at least a year or two before Byrnes was actually traded to the Rockies).
Here’s a link to Jackson’s stats over the past three years. It should be noted that he missed most of 2009. At the moment his line is.238/.326/.331, with an OPS of .657. Not great, but considering he hardly played last season perhaps there’s hope that he can produce as he did in 2008.
In any event I’m sure this is not the last of the trades that the A’s will be making
And of course...
…who goes off the 25 man roster to make room for him?
It seems to me that Mr. Patterson’s stay in Oakland may be over.
I have that hope every morning...
…now it appears that it could really happen.
He has to go.
1- Landon Powell has to stay up since Jake Fox has gone the way of the DFA
2- The A’s can’t go with an 11 man pitching staff with their rotation.
3- Conor Jackson would pretty much take Patterson’s role on the team, which is getting the vast majority of his PAs against LHP (Jackson has a pretty firm platoon split).
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Good
the Patterson and Fox experimentation is finally over.
by sf drift king on Jun 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Carson. Jackson is a platoon OFer, which is what Carson is doing right now.
Hopefully Patterson won’t survive Crisp’s return.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
It's that simple, huh?
I might have to start trying that.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
does ANYONE think that?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
not a GOODLY length tho
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on Jun 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that length of time is sometimes referred to as a "Langerhans"
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 15, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
used in a sentence:
“Man, I was constipated for a whole Langerhans!”
“Shit, man, the cops threw me in the drunk tank for a Langerhans!”
“Dude… this coffee is super strong. I haven’t slept in a Langerhans!”
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 15, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
dirty.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jun 15, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
a Sverdrup
a Sverdrup is a unit of measure at the opposite end of the spectrum from a Langerhans.
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Another Cal Guy
And cash money cash. Outfield seems pretty deep. Maybe this will be like Lagerhans and more deals are on the way?
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Fangraphs did a nice write up on him a few weeks ago
I think this may work out….DFA patterson now please.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/assessing-conor-jackson/
I used to have the biggest man crush on conor jackson.
by chri5 on Jun 15, 2010 9:26 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
me too...
and then Swisher came into the picture.
#1 Nick Swisher fan...but not in a stalker way.
by SwisherFan33 on Jun 15, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it
Considering Jackson’s past history of production and we are trading from a position of strength.
at ages 24 through 26 he put up OPS totals of .809, .836, and .823 before getting derailed by injury.
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964
by Athletics fan and runner on Jun 15, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
and we all know that the A's are fantastic at bringing players back from injury.
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I'm fairly cynical about the A's medical staff
but in this case I do think Valley Fever is a bit different from a torn labrum or a strained intracoastal or whatever. Supposedly it’s pretty particular to each individual, so basically we have no idea how quickly/well he will come back, regardless of who is is charge of his medical care.
Great
He plays LF and 1B…
This can’t be all that’s moving…
by OaklandSi on Jun 15, 2010 9:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sending out Patterson/Gross/Sweeney against LHPs is awful; I think the point is to end that
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Sam Demel is an awful lot to give up for the wrong side of a platoon, don't you think?
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I don't think Demel is a lot, but still maybe too much.
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AHHH!!!!!! too many MIKES!
I am THRILLED about this. CuJo is a great addition. he’s a guy that can drive in runs, even if his stats don’t look great this season. great righty addition in a position that is essentially a void for the A’s right now
I think Davis and Sweeney are starting every day for now. (Sweeney should be, but maybe Davis won’t once Crisp is back.) Against LHP, it’ll be Jackson in left field and it’ll be Gross in left against RHP.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Thankfully we acquired another injured OF to give him some time off :P
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If you Frankenstien them all together
We might have one healthy, decent outfielder. If only that were legal. . .
can we add Reggie Jackson's upper body in the mix?
then maybe some ball’s will start flying over the fence
"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010
while we're frankensteining
i’d like to replace the iceplant above the bleachers at the coli so this OF can blast HRs in there.
sigh.
Another excellent idea
We need to take this to Wolff/Fisher/Beane!
by el generico on Jun 15, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just watching MLB Network yesterday and they were talking about Jackson possibly going to the Rangers.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe we're flipping him for Feliz and Holland.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
The 2nd half of the mythical Quentin Jackson combo
Maybe he will turn out for us how Quentin turned out (at least in his first year) with Chicago?!
Seems like a good trade to me. Sad to lose Demel though.
maybe we can trade conor jackson for the white chris carter
(quentin was traded for our chris carter)
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Incidentally... aside from the Patterson or whoever else gets sent down talk..
Who else thinks this officially means Travis Buck will never play in Oakland again?
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I read the update on Buck's status and thought...
…“Oh yeah. He’s still around.”.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for excitement for a player, is it?
Pitching and defense wins pennants, but offense sells tickets.
Well he's been on the 15 day DL for 56 days now (or so Dannycakes said)
so yeah I don’t think the team expect him to contribute much.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
It's possible Travis Buck will never play in the majors, in any meaningful sense, again
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by walk off bunt on Jun 15, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Sniff
just crazed how so many A’s outfielders pull up lame
He was good in 2007....
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
He had me excited.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And OAH gets Rated R excited too.
So it comes full circle.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Except for injuries which made it less meaningful.
Pitching and defense wins pennants, but offense sells tickets.
He was actually starting to hit when he got hurt, too.
I’d still rather have him than any other left fielder on the roster (well, not if Jackson can be good again).
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
He had two good games....
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Sorry, I think he's better than he is because compared to Gross, Patterson, etc. he IS better. A lot better.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Gross is better
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
You can have Gross
Buck has not only been better this year in limited time, he’s been better over his career. I’d take Gross over Buck only because Buck can’t stay healthy (but if you’ve got ‘em both on the team and healthy, there’s no good reason to play Gross over him).
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Buck can't stay healthy and he's a very average fielder.
I’d take Gross thanks very much.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Buck ?
How so? Here are Buck’s OPS in AAA for the last 3 years:
2007: .762
2008: .798
2009: .763
For his career, his AAA OPS is .778. He was good in 2006 in HighA/AA, and in the majors in 2007 (850 OPS in 285 AB), but for the last 3 years, he hasn’t been very good.
Gotta be...
Gutierrez is a mess, Esmerling probably isnt up to it and Heilman has been good, but can’t be the real answer.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jun 15, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I've seen of his stats, I think they'll certainly appreciate him.
Hopefully this trade works out for both of us.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
by OldhamA on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They have the worst bullpen in the history of baseball.
Demel will look like Mariano to them.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Now we know why Demel wasn't brought up
A lot of folks at AN LOVED Conor Jackson a couple, three years ago. Obviously, replacing someone like Eric Patterson with someone like Conor Jackson is a huge step in the right direction…and it should be noted that Jackson’s line at Baseball Cube had him at a .188 average this year after 99 AB, which means that in his past 52 AB, he’s hit .346. This bodes well for someone coming back from rustiness and injury issues. On the other hand, his homer totals are 15, 15, 13 for this three major league seasons.
He’s not Paul Konerko, to be sure, and he’s not going to give you that power bat the A’s need in the middle of the line-up. The thing to keep in mind is that he bats right. So in terms of playing time, he at the very least takes Jake Fox’s at bats, and if he’s going good, Rajai Davis’s and/or Jack Cust’s (especially given that Cust seems to have lost his power).
This isn’t a game changer but once you add a healthy Crisp to the line-up, it could be bigger than one thinks.
The loss of Demel is really sad, though, because the bullpen hasn’t been lights out, and Devine is still a bit away from returning. It’s especially damaging if Bowers can’t move himself up in the bullpen rotation.
Demel is a big loss
But the A’s still have a lot of relief prospects (Benacka, Hunton, Friend, Souza, Storey, Carignan, De Los Santos, Smyth)
you forgot Kilby
"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010
And all these kids we just drafted. =P
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Demel is a minor league reliever. He's not a big loss.
If there’s one thing the A’s have proven, time and again, that they can do it’s develop relievers. Demel may turn out to be pretty good, but I don’t care. The A’s already have a few pretty good relievers and I have no doubt they’ll make a few more when necessary.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rustiness??
I thought Rusty Chavez was the only player qualified for this description?
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There's only 1 Rusty
"Smokey, this be not the foul jungles of the darkest East Orient. This be ninepins. We are bound by laws."
Interesting move
It’s always a good start to move a reliever for a position player although I did really like Demel and though he had closer potential. It really comes down to how healthy Conor Jackson is, as he was a pretty good left fielder for a few years until he was wrecked by Valley Fever. It really took a toll on him in 2009 and it looks like he is still working to recover his mojo. It’s not the type of move that really blows anyone away but it seems like a decent way to utilize the A’s relief pitching depth.
I just checke dthe D'Backs SBN site
A lot of them do not like this trade either. CoJack was a fan favorite I suppose.
HILLIS...where are you???
Always a good sign.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Cubs Fans
Loved Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson, and Jake Fox… just sayin.
by Colorado Fan on Jun 15, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
But those are Cubs fans.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Which
Looks like Wuertz has turned back into a pumpkin like I knew he would. Hope you enjoyed those career best K & BB rates last year. Won’t ever happen again.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jun 15, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, he just took a while to warm up, seeing how he missed spring training and all.
You know, the correct explanation.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
LOL
Right
You go on believing that. I’ll believe his career stats.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jun 15, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Will do.
I could also bring up the fact that he subtracted two inches of horizontal movement on his fastball in favor of an inch and a half of extra rise, which increased the perceived drop on his slider, making it one of the most unhittable pitches in baseball.
But we don’t need to get into that, do we?
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
It's not you like guys' bullpen is a hell of a lot better than ours
Take away Marmol and you guys have cocked it up pretty good, too.
Do we need to talk about Grabow?
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 15, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Better? The Cubs bullpen SUCKS
Wuertz would easily be their #2 reliever. And there’d be a Grand Canyon-sized gap between him and whoever is #3.
I think Wuertz might be the 5th best guy the A’s have out there right now.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I really enjoy your argument.
you: [makes unsupported argument]
danmerqury: [provides reasonable explanation]
you: [laughs, ridicules danmerqury]
You probably win a lot of arguments with that strategy.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
I figured as much.
I live in Springfield, Illinois, where the population is about 50% Cubs fans, 50% Cardinal fans. The Cubs fans come out whenever they win and disappear whenever they lose, which is a lot. The vast majority of Cubs fans around here are the, “Oh, the Cubs won today? Yay! Best team ever!” type.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Well, his sig is "I reject your reality and substitute my own."
That kinda explains a lot.
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
AN tagline?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
No, that's
I reject your reality and go on the disabled list.
by oblique on Jun 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I reject your injury and substitute my own disabled list.
Ask me about my squirrel.
I reject your diagnosis and substitute my own unfounded medical opinion.
Ask me about my squirrel.
Dr Crisp!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
He might be worse than Dr. Nick.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if it isn't my old from Mr McCraig
With leg for an arm and an arm for a leg!
Ask me about my squirrel.
Mythbusters....
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
no no
last year was all pixie dust. Not the leagues most unhittable slider.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
If By Pixie Dust
You mean luck, then yes.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jun 15, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
luck like a 58% contact rate?
like in 2005? or the career 64% contact rate?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
It's a logical conclusion
If you think Wuertz is going to turn into a pumpkin, or if you talk about how all relievers have up and down years succeeding one another. From that perspective, Wuertz’s fall from grace was the norm.
However, I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. When Wuertz has been on, as danmerqury hints, he’s been as good as he was last year. He’s just not consistent. And that comes from being rusty and not quite yet being on his game. I’ve noticed that he is not yet able to put back to back appearances together without the second one being a question mark. That’s another sign of rustines and the fact that he’s not quite on his game.
So I’m not going to be snarky and start talking about danmerqury’s “facts” versus someone else’s opinion, because the idea that Wuertz’s 2009 was an outlier has merit. I happen to think it’s wrong and I also think that in a month, Wuertz will be pitching like he did last year.
The funniest part about everything is that THIS is the outlier year
Last year, while a career year, was much more in line with what he did as a Cub.
He was a really, really good pitcher there and Campbell (who, by the way, thinks Vitters is some ungodly combination of Barry Bonds, Babe Ruth, and Superman) is just bitter that the Cubs gave him away.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the move.
In his last year Healthy years Jackson has put up 809, 836, 823 OPS. He has a career OBP of 360.
Over his last 10 games: .303/.378/.455/.833 10-33 with 2 doubles, 1 HR, 1 K, 4 BB. So he seems to be doing well recently.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Our version of the Giants' Pat Burrell add-on
I originally wrote “Tap” for Pat.
Too many commercials…. you know what I mean!!
Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.
Beane: They believe it because it's true.
by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting contrast vs. 2008
In 2008 at around this time, the A’s had just swept the Giants and were 38-31, 3 games back, getting many of our hopes up. In early July, they traded Harden and Blanton for minor leaguers, and ended up with their now-standard losing record.
So, it’s interesting that now, at 32-33, 4 games back, they’re acquiring major leaguers for minor leaguers, implying an effort to “win now.”
The difference is that we knew we were going into a rebuilding mode,
whereas now we know we are nearing the end of it.
by LoneStranger on Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
As a casual fan, the fact that our hitting prospects aren’t hitting causes me to panic, and to worry that the team will just cut bait and re-rebuild, which would suck horribly.
This move is a strong indicator that management still sees this as the end of the rebuilding cycle, and next year (and maybe even this year) as a competitive year.
It’s nice.
And the division sucks much more majorly now.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
We were 38-31 in 2008?
I must have repressed the memory of that part of the season because it prefaced the tragic trading times. Sigh.
by whiteshoes40 on Jun 15, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I went to the A's Angels seires that sparked the end of that that was a competetive season..
We lost.
Then we traded everyone.
sad times.
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Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 15, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The best w-l that Bob Geren has done???
Nine games over .500
And not at the finish of the year, I might add (but everyone already knew this!)
Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.
Beane: They believe it because it's true.
by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
from Buster Onley
Heard this: The $ relief that the A’s are getting in the Conor Jackson deal is close to $400,000…
You cannot trade for a player with a low OPS for a minor leaguer of quality and not get money back.
This is what I was saying with my Cubs post. No way Derrek Lee gets them anyone but a low level minor leaguer if they dont throw in tons of cash.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Jackson mashes lefties
Should be a platoon with Gabe Gross for the rest of the year. Means only 2 spots left for Rajai, Sweeney, Crisp and Patterson. Sweeney and Crisp are the clear favorites of those 4. Rajai would make a great late game pinch runner since he has trouble getting himself on base…
I dont see a platoon.
Patterson/Gross are crap. Connor is a legit 800 OPS guy with MUCH better on base skills than Gross/Patterson.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
He has a career OPS+ of 95 against RH starters
Thats not terrible.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Its not league average either.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
He is a legit 800 OPS guy at Chase Field
which is a better hitters park than Coors. Lets see what he does at the Coli.
HILLIS...where are you???
Gross isnt crap against Righties
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
Hes not crap..
But hes not much better than Connor is.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Gross is good against right handed pitchers.
And he’s a very good defensive corner outfielder. I’d say he has a place here in Oakland. Patterson, not so much.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I can see the argument,,,
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Well I was down on Gross too, but he really showed that he can be a useful 4th OF the past month or so.
Not like we have legitimate starting OFers anyway, but Gross is a valuable player. Especially with his defence.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Gross is better than Jackson against righties
By a lot. Vice versa is also true. It’s really a clear opportunity. Might not be a straight platoon since they will work Jackson in a little more at the expense of other guys, but I think it will at least be a semi-platoon. To do otherwise would be silly.
Jackson's career OPS against righties is .747.
In the National League. Playing in that park.
He’s not a legit .800 OPS guy.
I like this trade because he’s better than Carson or Patterson, but I’m not going to go crazy over it.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Against RHP
As I posted above, he’s better hitter than that against righties. From 2006-2008, playing full-time, he had a .790 OPS against righties. The last year and a half have been messed up by his Valley Fever condition, but he should be over that now.
The park effects are a factor, but he had an OPS+ over 100 each year from 2006-2008.
Three years of 800+ while he was healthy isnt a legit 800OPS guy?
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Not when he's below .800 against righties (~75% of the league's pitchers) and he did that in perhaps the best hitter's park in baseball in the NL
I’d expect a lot closer to .750 as the high end of what he’ll do.
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Where would a .750 OPSing player hit in our lineup?
Cleanup?
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I’d say seventh. Barton, Sweeney, Suzuki, Kouzmanoff and Cust look like they’re hitting second to sixth respectively in that order.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at his 2006-2008 stats
2006: vs RHP: .808, vs. LHP: .810
2007: vs RHP: .785, vs. LHP: .958
2008: vs. RHP: .782, vs LHP: .938
When he was healthy, he was a very good offensive player, even against RHP. Sure, he will take a hit from the park and league switch, but over those 3 years (1645 PA) he had an overall OPS of .822.
by Amit on Jun 15, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We've just got to hope he's kicked this Valley Fever.
And he gets Bay Fever, or something………..which makes you awesome. So far only Barton, Sweeney and Zooks have caught it. Anderson and Cahill have a mild case of it.
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Isn't that "Holy" fever?
Ask me about my squirrel.
Cowbell Fever
Symptoms include: Hairy chests, Corduroy Pants, and Blue Oyster Cult songs being stuck in your head so long you’re on the DL.
If Ziegler blows a save... I'll flag his next post.
The problem is he's significantly better against lefties than he is righties.
and 3/4 of pitchers in baseball are righty.
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A .790 OPS against RHP is still pretty good.
Who else on the team would you expect to hit better against RHP?
A .790 OPS against RHP isnt' that great when you're playing 1/2 your games in Arizona
That’s going to drop significantly in Oakland.
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Are we shooting for 3 games after he gets called off the DL this time?
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I'm thinking geometric
two games, then four games, then eight games, etc….
…so, thirty games for the entire year!! woohoo!
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice work, if you can get it.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Per Jane Lee on Twitter
Asst. GM Forst says Jackson will be arriving in Chicago near game time, but probably not early enough to be in starting lineup.
Drive faster.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I assume he's in the air as we type.
I just meant drive faster from the airport.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Get out of the plane and push
Ask me about my squirrel.
Or just have them fly over the stadium and strap on a parachute.
What’s the worst that can happen?
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The HORROR!
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That would be hands down the greatest enterance you could make for a new club...
Drew: 'Oh no.. That is certainly the meaty part alright, but it's not the thigh..."
Randy: "No... that bone is NOT connected to the thigh bone..."
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by SeanCrosby87 on Jun 15, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
funny, he couldn't get off the plane!!!
on the ground in Chicago, and he couldn’t get off!!!
Lucky, there was the rain delay!
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Some CoJack splits
vs. RHP .269 / .342 / .404 / .747
vs. LHP .298 / .396 / .468 / .864
but, also:
home .289 / .360 / .451 / .811
away .265 / .356 / .393 / .750
Lot of his slugging comes from hitting in Arizona’s rather hitter friendly park
Yeah that's my worry.
But then he also doesn’t hit a ton of home runs – so I’m not HUGELY worried by his home park. The ball really carries in Arizona – if HRs were a big, big part of his game I’d be very wary. As it is he seems to be a gap power kinda guy, so he should translate.
Then of course there’s the whole NL to AL thing………..but we’ve got to stay positive!!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Yeah, there are not lots of HR in there
I, too, don’t expect him to fall off the cliff, but would be surprised if there were no decline at all
Platoon Splits
Those career splits are really hurt by his poor year in 2009 and slow start this year. In 2007 and 2008, when Jackson was healthy, he had an OPS over .780 against RHP.
He’s been a little slow in his recovery from Valley Fever, but I think he can get back to his 2006-2008 level, when he was a consistent .290/.370/.450 player.
I hope you're right but....That breakdown is not very favorable....
Especially since additionally he deal with the change in leagues too.
So far he has been slow to recover from his absence. I wonder too how much irregular ABs will hurt him too if the A’s are trying to balance when Coco comes back.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 15, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping that the A's would trade for Xavier Nady...
but I guess Jackson is a pretty similar player, right down to the Cal roots.
I agree with elcroata above…the home/road splits are a bit discouraging. Hopefully, he’ll be used judiciously in a platoon role to maximize his value.
Overall, I’m just hoping this turns out a bit better than the Scott Hairston experiment. Demel seems like a pretty good arm, but he wasn’t on the 40-man so he might not have been able to help the big league team this year anyways…plus, you just never know with relievers if they’ll be able to sustain performances for long periods of time.
Hopefully, Crisp + Jackson will give the team a needed jolt when they’ve been scuffling a bit.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
The thing is his BB/K rates have always been very good - so he at least brings a good approach to the plate.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
what up RRS
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
he already took his team photo
That was fast.
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
They just photoshop them.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
I love the move.
Demel is a relief arm. Expendable. He was a nice one, but expendable nonetheless. Jackson put up three straight years of .350-.360 wOBA before getting sick. He’s got talent.
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Ben Sheets was a goddamn all star before getting hurt.
Jackson may be getting healthy and kick all kinds of ass, but why can’t we go out and acquire a fucking LEGIT player for once? This whole “diamond in the rough”mentality is getting really old.
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We did.
And it cost us Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street, and Greg Smith. We’re not in the position to give away that kind of talent again.
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by danmerqury on Jun 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well we are, it'd just be stupid to do so.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Simple
Because fucking legit players don’t get traded for Sam Demel. The A’s lack the ammunition or the budget to acquire top notch All-Star level talent.
but maybe he could been part of a larger package
thats what I was hoping was the reason for not calling him up
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
+1
the hope that Demel could be used in a good package to bring in someone with more value than Jackson is why I’m sorta “meh” on this trade.
David DeJesus is thought to be on the trading block. He’s posted a line of .314/.392/.479 this year (is signed for 4.7m this year with a club option at 6m in 2011). What do you guys think it would take to get him? Or would he be someone worth even considering?
Would something like Mazzaro and Josh Donaldson get the job done? Too much, too little?
by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been wanting to get him for a while now
But I think we need to keep Mazzaro and Donaldson for now. Mazzaro because our staff is thin, and Donaldson because of the potential Suzuki trade in the off season that everyone knows is coming =(
jeeze, I hope we don't trade Suzuki
even if he brings boatloads of prospects. As a fan I just want to keep a good, young player once in a while.
Zooks has to be the next Chavez
contract-wise. He is the type of guy you build around. This simply cannot happen.
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by OptimistPrime on Jun 15, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
b/c Chavez got hurt?
it has to worth it sometimes to sign a rising star – they don’t all get hurt and loose their value. And I’ll say it again, as a fan, I want some players (the good ones) to stick around. Seeing Suzuki in Boston will hurt my heart.
Not with how much they run him out there at catcher.
His knees will be shot in a few years.
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Zooks you keep because he's underrated
He’s great in all the areas that don’t give players high salaries, and just above average in the high contract areas…..You keep that guy for sure, and Billy knows that.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 16, 2010 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I hear ya
I guess I’m just not that big on Mazzaro. And I have a BIG problem with this lack of accountability and desire to be the best he can. Per Mychael Urban…
…was a huge disappointment after he dominated in his first two starts last season. He didn’t make a single adjustment when the league made its initial adjustments to him, and when asked to assess his year as a whole (4-9, 5.32 ERA), he flashed delusion: "I thought I did pretty well."
and this one in reference to his pitching performance on 6/9 against the Angels…
Ditto his self-congratulatory quote after Tuesday’s game in reference to his zero walks: "I’m impressed with myself for that."
Uh, no Vin. Dallas Braden wasn’t impressed with himself for pitching a perfect game for cryin’ out loud. You make it sound like some feat was accomplished that you didn’t walk anyone. I want more confidence and higher self expectations out of a starting pitcher. I understand that he had some shoulder issues last year which could have affected his numbers, but he needs to take some responsibility. At least make it seem like you’re setting higher expectations for yourself.
Sorry for my little rant on VM…just been bothering me ever since I read those quotes. If another club saw a lot of value in him I wouldn’t be upset if we packaged him to get a quality return – but, I understand your POV too regarding our thinning pitching staff.
If we do trade Suzuki this offseason I definitely agree, we’ll need Donaldson to at least hold the fort down till Ortiz and/or Stassi are ready. But if the FO knows we’re gonna be holding onto Suzuki at least through 2011, then I would trade Donaldson while his value is high and he’s got youth on his side.
by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I live that every single day!
Zooey Deschanel!
by ChickenStanley on Jun 15, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I read his quote about being impressed with himself about not walking anyone
but I just thought it was kind of cute, not really meant in a self-congratulatory way — more like he was surprised and happy that he could pull that off. Also, I would take everything and anything that Urban says with a grain of salt. He tends to put a lot of spin on things.
by whiteshoes40 on Jun 15, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's bothering me cus I've seen the video of Vin
after his poor pitching performances. The dude seems to not really take any accountability when he doesn’t do well. I know, sss…it just seemed ‘off’ from what you normally get from athletes that expect a lot of themselves.
SSS though, and I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt.
by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps that's just his approach to the game.
It’s worked rather well for him so far.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I'm not too worried about it....
In fact I think it’s better than the Gio approach which is scream at yourself for ever little mistake.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 16, 2010 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions
CJackson in 2010=SHairston in 2009
that kind of a trade IMO
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Like, you know, love for the Valley, you know?
Ask me about my squirrel.
That's San Fernando Valley Fever, the southern variety
Inhale its’ spores and you turn into a total douchebag.
Whereas, the Northern variety just Rip Van Winkle’s you.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 15, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh god.
From wikipedia:
also known as “San Joaquin Valley fever”
She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.
Like, OMG, I was like there, like last week.
Ask me about my squirrel.
So that's why I've been in a rut since moving to Stockton!
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by One won lost won on Jun 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, has there been a corresponding roster move?
Fox was DFA’d, but Kurt is coming back to the 25-man, meaning we’ve got 25 men on the 25-man and 39 on the 40-man. Gonna need to option someone. Carson, most likely.
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I’d rather it be Patterson just like everyone else, but yeah, it’ll probably be Carson.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
In this case I don't mind so much
With Davis likely to be in center and Jackson in right there is really no role for Carson on this team. I agree that it’s time to cut the cord with Patterson but I think it can wait until Crisp comes back.
Either way, yeah, it has to be Carson or Patterson to go.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions
i'd like to Jackson lead off
he’s batting .283 this year in 53 at-bats leading off, with 7 walks and a .367 OBP.
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
He hits well with runners in scoring position, though.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, i just noticed that
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
Meh.
Those aren’t great leadoff numbers. Besides, you can’t split the numbers like that. Huge small sample size warning.
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His .358 career OBP wouldn't be half-bad in the leadoff spot (it'll never happen)
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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, don't worry
The way Geren creates lineups, he will be leading off once every so often.
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by OptimistPrime on Jun 15, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
And Beane isn't the one being interviewed because.....? Too busy in South Africa?
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Someone needs to photoshop a picture of Billy with a vuvuzela. Now.
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he better not be in S Africa right now
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You know he is.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 15, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuckin' A right he is. I would be too.
I’m pretty sure he can still use his Blackberry in Johannesburg, and I don’t think being the GM of a baseball team requires you to be in the office at your cubicle from 9-5 every day.
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Yeah I'm not so sure.
I mean the nature of the job probably means you only need a line of communication back to base to be able to do it……but leaving the country for a month to go and watch a sporting event during the middle of the season?
Is there any way we could find out if he’s there or not? Anyone in Oakland feel like knocking on the Coli’s door and asking to see the GM?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
He doesn't like to watch the A's play because
he doesn’t want the emotional attachment that happens when you watch players make great plays or have great games. I don’t think being out of the country is changing his patterns much.
by LoneStranger on Jun 15, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Forst has been handling stuff like this for years.
Even if Billy is out of town for a month, it wouldn’t make a difference.
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They're awful.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Can they ban those?
I hope they would. But apparently they are a big part of S Africa culture
HILLIS...where are you???
FIFA has said they're not banning them.
but apparently the BBC has said they’re going to filter them out of their broadcasts and allow viewers to switch to the filtered audio feed if they want
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They've done studies on them already.
Apparently their frequency is such that the only way to truly filter them out is to turn off the effects mic. They cover a lot of the ranges the commentator’s voices do – and the human brain is so good that it’d start picking up the noise pollution (cos that’s all it is) after about 10 minutes or so if you filtered them out.
Basically they need banning ‘cos they’re ridiculous and are ruining the World Cup (not that it needs much help).
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Do you live in a bee hive?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."