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Oakland's 2010 Draft Class

Hey everyone! This is my first go at a legit fanpost so please go easy on me :) I attempted to use a nice/clean format but my editing skills are not yet up to par...hopefully they'll be better with my next post. I've tried to provide as much content as possible in hopes of making this an "informational hub" of Oakland's 2010 draft class. Please feel free to add whatever I've missed in the comments. I'd love to learn more about all these guys!

The MLB Rule 4 Draft (First Year Player Draft) was held June 7th - June 9th. Oakland went offense heavy in what should invigorate our minor league teams with some true hitting prospects. However, in what seems a change from past Oakland drafts, there wasn't much to get excited about with the pitching selections (at least on first glance). Andy Seiler of SB Nation's MLB Bonus Baby had this to say...

 A lot of relief arms in that class. Vail included. I don’t see a big pitching impact in that draft.

The "Vail" he's referring to is prep pitcher Tyler Vail. Vail was the first pitcher Oakland picked in this draft (5th round) so one would think he holds the most promise in the A's eyes of any of the pitchers they selected. The fact that Seiler sees him as a relief arm when he's a high school draftee doesn't really get me too excited considering he's the highest pitcher we took. We'll delve more into Vail below.

Overall I'd give the A's draft a B. I'm really digging the players the A's took on the offensive side. However, their lack of a truly intriguing pitching selection prevents me from rating it much higher.

Picks I would like us to sign most would be...

Michael Choice (CF) 1st Round
Yordy Cabrera (3B) 2nd Round
Aaron Shipman (CF) 3rd Round
Chad Lewis (3B) 4th Round
Tyler Vail (RHP) 5th Round
Anthony Thompson (3B) 6th Round
Jordan Tripp (CF) 7th Round
Antwoin Kirby-Jones (1B) 9th Round
Wade Kirkland (SS) 11th Round
Matthew Thomson (RHP) 12th Round
Arthur Griffin (RHP) 13th Round
Gerald Menna (RHP) 14th Round
Ryan Hughes (LHP) 16th Round
Jose Macias (RHP) 18th Round
Logan Chitwood (RHP) 19th Round
Ryan Lipkin (C) 24th Round
Ryan Pineda (2B) 28th Round
Aaron Judge (1B) 31st Round
Lonnie Kauppila (SS) 44th Round

Can't wait to get everyone's thoughts! Here is the rundown of our 2010 Oakland A's draft class...

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Michael Choice (CF)
University of Texas - Arlington

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-10-89

6’0"

215

R/R

Junior

---

1


2010 had the A's picking the highest (10th) they had in a decade and the A's were linked with Choice possibly more than any other player prior to the draft. Although 9 teams picked in front of us, we had our "choice" (sorry, non-intentional pun there) as Michael Choice, Yasmani Grandal, Josh Sale, Dylan Covey, Zach Cox, Justin O'Conner, and Kolbrin Vitek were all available to us (Christian Colon was the only draftee taken - by KC - up to that point that had been strongly tied to Oakland).

I think Choice was a great pick for us. His power potential is undeniable...add that to his speed, ability to hit for average, take walks, and potentially play center field and he seems hard to pass up. The dude just seems like a good guy too...did you see the interviews with him after the A's selected him? I already like him :)

I should say I was a big Josh Sale fan initially, but the more it was reported that his defense would be average at best, my mind sort of changed in favor of Michael Choice. Yasmani Grandal was the other potential pick I thought would be a strong selection. However, given the reports that Grandal didn't really "put it all together" until his senior year coupled with our organizational depth at the catching position, I can understand why the A's may have passed on him.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Choice...

His power is real and he has good patience, although his insane walk total in college overstates things since he was pitched around. I also think his overall tools are a bit underrated. Overall, a solid choice, pardon the pun.

Melissa Lockard at Scout.com...

Choice could help the A's fairly quickly. He showed a lot of patience and maturity to put up the numbers he did when he was being pitched around every game this season. Choice has great power, good speed that he hasn't used yet and the chance to stick in center...

...I think he'll likely start in Kane County after a few games with the A's Rookie League team, much like Weeks did in 2008 and Pennington before him in 2005.

MLB.com wrote...

In a year that lacks a ton of big-name college hitters, players from smaller programs like Choice have a chance to shine, and he is taking advantage. Though he'll need work on his swing mechanics, he has big-time raw power to all fields. He runs well and plays a strong outfield to boot. He may not be the elite hitter clubs seek, but since there aren't many of those this year, teams may look hard at Choice in the early going.

Baseball America wrote...

Choice is a lock to eclipse Hunter Pence (second round, 2004) as the highest-drafted player in Texas-Arlington history, and he could be the first college position player drafted this year. He has the best power among four-year college players in this draft class. He starred for Team USA's college squad last summer, leading all players with three homers at the World Baseball Challenge, and was chasing the Southland Conference triple crown this spring. Texas-Arlington's career leader in batting and homers (.398, with 34 homers through mid-May), Choice has a strong 6-foot, 215-pound frame. He lets balls travel deep before unleashing his lightning bat speed and crushing them to all fields, though he can get pull-conscious and lengthen his righthanded swing at times. He racks up strikeouts but also draws walks, leading NCAA Division I with 66. That total is inflated by 17 intentional and several semi-intentional walks, but he's willing to take a base when pitchers won't challenge him. Choice has 6.6-second speed in the 60-yard dash, so some scouts believe he may be able to stay in center field. Others think he lacks the jumps and instincts for center and fits better on a corner. He may have enough arm strength for right field, and he definitely has the power profile to fit in left. One of the youngest college juniors in the draft, he won't turn 21 until November.

Click HERE for MLB.com's video draft report on Michael Choice.

Click HERE to read Andy Seiler's write-up on Michael Choice.

Click HERE to read an interview Scout.com's Josh Anderson did with Michael Choice. 

 

 

Yordy Cabrera (3B)
Lakeland Senior HS (Florida)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

9-3-90

6’4"

190

R/R

HS

---

2


I LOVE Cabrera's potential. I think the A's got GREAT value with their 2nd pick...definitely an impact player if he reaches his ceiling. I had heard there were some make-up questions with Cabrera which is never something you like to hear, so I asked Andy Seiler (SB Nation's MLB Bonus Baby) about him in a chat and here's what he had to say...

He's definitely a legitimate third baseman in most respects. Power, arm, actions. Could be a great player there, but could also need a corner outfield spot if his hands don't improve some. As for the makeup flaws, he essentially just plays a little too laid back for some scouts. I've spoken to some who like his relaxed attitude, because they think he won't have a bad transition to the pro game, taking things in stride. Others call him lazy and think he doesn't have the work ethic to succeed. It's subjective.

...hmmm, that remind you of anyone? Sounds a lot like the perception some people had of Carlos Gonzalez when he was in the minor leagues. Seiler went on to say of Cabrera and Connor Narron (Orioles 5th Round pick who has also been said to have make-up issues)...

Both Cabrera and Narron have been around the game so long that it's not a big deal to them to try and kill themselves with every play. You can call that low-energy, but it's more likely just a function of their upbringing. Not being impressed by scouts usually turns scouts off, too, so I can understand why they get that tag.

After finding out what these make-up "issues" were, I'm not that worried.  Sounds like he's just completely comfortable around the baseball field. His father, Basilio Cabrera, is the coach of the Detroit Tiger's rookie level affiliate - Gulf Coast Tigers.

Athletics Nation member hero66 asked Seiler if he was a believer in Cabrera and what his ultimate ceiling was. Here was Seiler's response...

I think he has an all star ceiling due to his bat. I think he has a high bust rate, and I’d bet against him reaching that ceiling.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Cabrera...

Main negative is his age, already 20. But scouts love his power potential, and he has a third base arm. This is potentially excellent value in the second round.

For the record, Cabrera doesn't actually turn 20 until September. But yes, he is older than most any other high school draftee. Hopefully he signs quickly so the A's can get him into their system ASAP.

Melissa Lockard at Scout.com...

With Cabrera, it will be interesting to see if his bat takes off even more when he can concentrate on just hitting and not being a pitcher too. That's something that Doolittle said helped him a lot once he turned pro.

MLB.com wrote...

Cabrera certainly looks the part of a ballplayer in terms of his build and how he carries himself on the baseball field. He has the raw tools as well -- it's just a question of whether he'll learn to use them consistently. He has plenty of power, but there is some concern about his ability to recognize pitches well enough to tap into that power. His days as a shortstop are likely numbered, with a move to third or an outfield corner in his future. His athleticism and upside will have many teams interested, and the team who believes it can tap into that will be the one to take him.

Baseball America wrote...

The Yordy Cabrera story has several themes that all scouts are familiar with. He moved to the U.S. at age 14 from the Dominican Republic and is already 19. In other words, he's a prep senior who's two years older than junior-college freshman Bryce Harper. Cabrera, whose father Basilio is a former player and the Tigers' Rookie-level Gulf Coast League manager, has spent plenty of time around pro clubhouses and wood bats, and has two plus-plus tools. He has excellent raw power and one of the draft's strongest arms for an infielder, and he has the hands, average speed and actions to at least begin his pro career as a shortstop. Most believe he'll have to move to third base eventually because he's already 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, but should be able to stay in the dirt. As a pitcher, he has launched his fastball into the low to mid-90s, and his arm profiles for third or right field if he has to move. His value will depend on his bat, which remains raw and inconsistent despite his bloodlines. Cabrera kills mistakes, especially hanging breaking balls, but at times has trouble gearing up to velocity. He was unlikely to last past the supplemental round, and if his bat doesn't develop he could move to the mound.

Click HERE for MLB.com's video draft report on Yordy Cabrera.

Click HERE to read an article on Yordy Cabrera by Sporting News.

 

 

Aaron Shipman (CF)
Brooks County HS (Georgia)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

1-27-92

6’0"

174

L/L

HS

---

3


Loved this pick as well. Shipman seems like a great all around player with good make-up. He could be a real force on the bases as well, which seems to be something the A's are trying to hone in on. I'm not a big Rajai Davis fan (I just don't think he's that good of a baseball player), but I do love watching him run the bases...man it's exciting! I think Shipman will be that kind of force on the base paths. He's said himself that he's a leadoff type hitter which gets me all excited at the idea of finally having a legitimate/quality force at the top of the order. Shipman is said to be a little raw, but he's a high school draftee so he's got plenty of time. There's potential for him to still grow as well so there may be a little more power in there too.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Shipman...

Very good tools and decent hitting polish for a high school kid. There was some talk he could go earlier than this, making him a value selection with upside.

MLB.com wrote...

Shipman isn't the most advanced of players, but a team willing to take time and patience could have a pretty good player on its hands. He has a good body with room to fill out and some tools. He's a plus runner, which helps him be an excellent defender in the outfield. He's a wristy hitter, but as he matures and gains more experience, there should be more there.

Baseball America wrote...

The "pop-up" player in Georgia this year shouldn't have been off the radar. Shipman comes from a baseball family, as his father Robert--a 10th-round pick in 1987 by the Tigers--is his high school coach and his brother Robert III is a freshman at Georgia. While his older brother is a slugging first baseman and baseclogger, Aaron Shipman is a fast-twitch athlete who compares favorably to anyone in Georgia's deep class of athletic center fielders. He just hasn't played in the East Cobb program as a south Georgia kid, but he was getting plenty of attention as the draft approached and could go in the second round. Shipman earns above-average grades from scouts in speed, throwing arm and future center field defense, though he could use some polish. His swing is perhaps just as exciting, as it's smooth and low-maintenance. Shipman also pitches and runs his fastball up to 91 mph, but he is a much better prospect in the field and doesn't figure to wind up at Mercer, his college commitment.

Click HERE to read an article by In the Game on Aaron Shipman.

 

 

Chad Lewis (3B)
Marina HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

12-10-91

6’3"

200

R/R

HS

---

4


I really liked this pick as well. A prep player expected to be able to stick at 3B as a good defender/quality bat sounds good to me. I'm not near an expert on hitting or fielding mechanics, but Lewis seems to have a nice, quick swing and good smooth fielding skills (check out the video links below).

Fun fact...Lewis went to the same high school as our very own Daric Barton.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Chad Lewis...

Decent defender at third base with the potential to hit for power and average as he matures. Like Shipman, he could have gone higher and looks like a solid pick in this slot.

Andy Seiler of SB Nation's MLB Bonus Baby had this report on Chad Lewis...

Chad Lewis is a slugging third baseman from Marina High School in Huntington Beach, California, a coastal town south of Long Beach that has produced players such as Daric Barton and 2009 Texas draft pick Paul Strong. Lewis has been known as one of the better bats in the Southern California class this year for some time, but he’s somewhat flattened out around a solid prospect rather than an elite one, and he’ll get drafted based on how high some teams with his hitting potential. He does have the tools to be a potential starting third baseman at the Major League level, and it’s all about refining those tools as to how successful he is as a pro prospect. At the plate, he’s an average hitter with good hands, but he has a few small mechanical flaws that make his strong a little exaggerated at times, leading to weaknesses up and in against velocity and low and away with offspeed stuff. However, with above-average power potential, scouts see value in his bat in the long run, and some think his mechanical flaws can be fixed. He’s a below-average runner, but he has solid-average range at third with an above-average arm, making him a solid starting option there. There are enough questions about his overall package as to what his actual ceiling is, as some scouts believe he just can’t hit enough to be a starting option at an offense-driven third base spot. However, he should go somewhere in the third to sixth round range to a team that likes his bat potential, and he should be signable away from his San Diego State commitment in that range.

MLB.com wrote...

Lewis looks the part of a third baseman, from his offensive skill set to his glove work to his physical appearance. Tall and muscular, he can hit to all fields and should have more than enough power for the position. He has the hands, range and arm to stick at third as well. While there are some issues with his swing, he's shown a knack for performing well under the spotlight. The total package makes him one of the more intriguing high school position players in the 2010 Draft class.

Baseball America wrote...

Lewis would never fool panelists in a "What's My Line?" contest. At 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, with California blond hair and a prototypical third baseman's build, Lewis is an obvious athlete, and is the premier hot corner prospect in Southern California in 2010. A fixture on the showcase scene, Lewis' best offseason performance came at a showcase in Jupiter, Fla., last October. On a humid and windy day, he blasted a long, wood-bat home run into an unforgiving crosswind. Pro third basemen must hit, and Lewis shows promise with the bat. He has a fluid swing and exciting bat speed, but still needs to correct some technical issues. Lewis struggles with breaking balls and offspeed pitches and needs to improve his pitch recognition. Defensively, Lewis shows playmaking ability and easy fielding actions. His arm is strong and accurate, though his range is a tad short. Like many young players, Lewis loses his concentration in the field and will make errors he shouldn't. Time and experience should solve that problem. Below-average speed is Lewis' only glaring weakness. He profiles as a textbook third baseman with an above-average glove and arm, and average power and hitting ability.

Click HERE for MLB.com's video draft report on Chad Lewis.

Click HERE for additional video on Chad Lewis hitting. 

 

 

Tyler Vail (RHP)
Notre Dame HS (Pennsylvania)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-3-91

6’1"

180

R/R

HS

YES

5


Tyler Vail was the first pitcher selected by the A's in this years draft...in the 5th round! Being the first pitcher the A's took I was hoping for more promise. All reports I've heard are projecting Vail as more of a bullpen arm than starter. Hopefully the A's give him a shot to start though since he's just 18. I definitely hold out hope that the A's can turn Vail into a quality arm of some sort since they have such a great record of producing quality pitchers.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Tyler Vail...

Low-90s fastball but raw, was expected to attend college at Maryland but being drafted this high increases his chance to sign.

Baseball America wrote...

Six-foot-1 righthander Vail doesn't have a big frame and has a lot of effort in his delivery, but he has run his fastball up to 92 mph with boring action. His breaking ball and changeup are below-average to fringe-average, but both could develop into solid pitches over the next three years under the tutelage of Maryland pitching coach Sean Kenny.

Vail, had a scholarship to Maryland (hence the reference to pitching coach Sean Kenny). But...it's sort of a moot point since Vail has already signed with the A's :)

Click HERE for video of Tyler Vail.

His follow through seems sort of short-armed to me, a la Keith Folk. Does it seem that way to anyone else? 

 

 

Anthony Thompson (3B)
Kansas

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

12-19-88

6’4"

219

R/R

Senior

YES

6


Noticing a trend here? Thompson was the third 3B prospect the A's chose within the first 6 rounds. Add him to Cabrera, Lewis, and Stephen Parker ('09 draftee currently in Stockton) and the A's all of a sudden have a plethora of promising 3B prospects. I like the odds of at least one of these guys panning out to take over for Kouzmanoff once he's played out his time in Oakland (I like Kouz though, definitely not suggesting the A's get rid of him any time soon).

Thompson suffered a broken knee cap (ouch!!!) at the beginning of this season which seems to have hurt his draft stock. The guy can flat out hit though...for power and average. Check out his stat line from last season (in the Baseball America quote below) when he won the first Triple Crown in Big 12 Conference history! Pretty amazing! Due to his injury it's been said his limited range may push him to 1B eventually, but I hope the A's give him a chance to stick at 3B. Hmmm...a promising prospect that fell on draft boards due to an injury...remind anyone of Grant Desme?

Another pick on the offense side that I'm really stoked on. Thompson has already signed with the A's too, so he's gonna get a good bit of pro-ball under his belt this year which is great!

You gotta love this tidbit from Scout.com's Melissa Lockard...

Apparently Thompson is a big A's fan and is really excited about being taken by the green and gold.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Anthony Thompson...

Showed a first round bat last year in the Big 12, but a knee injury this year hampered him both offensively and defensively. Faces a move to first base, but could be a huge value pick in this round as the injury recedes into the background.

MLB.com wrote...

Despite missing a chunk of his junior season because of a broken kneecap, Thompson will still likely attract attention at the Draft. He has as much power as any college bat in this class. With a short stroke, he's been a good overall hitter as well. He might be limited to first base defensively, though his arm is plus and he has decent hands. Assuming he's healthy, though, he has the kind of power bat that would play just fine at first.

Baseball America wrote...

Thompson won the first triple crown in Big 12 Conference history a year ago, batting .389 with 21 homers and 82 RBIs. Hopes for an encore were dashed when he fouled a ball off his left kneecap in a February practice, sidelining him for the first 19 games of the season with a hairline fracture. He was overanxious when he returned, chasing too many pitches, but started to look more like himself toward the end of the season. Huge and strong at 6-foot-4 and 219 pounds, Thompson generates easy power to all fields. His swing can get long at times, but he doesn't strike out excessively like many sluggers do. Thompson's speed and mobility were below-average before he got hurt. While he has the arm strength to play third base, his range and agility are substandard. His regular-season fielding percentage was just .880, a further indication he's destined for first base as a pro. His bat should play well enough there for him to get drafted in the first five rounds.

Click HERE for MLB.com's video draft report on Anthony Thompson.

 

 

Jordan Tripp (CF)
Golden West College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

10-27-89

6’4"

215

R/R

J3

---

7


Another Centerfielder...third one within the A's first 7 picks. Tripp seems like good value in this round. His 6'4", 215 lb frame sure seems to suggest an athletic build. Tripp is only 20...would LOVE for the A's to sign him as I think he could be one to keep an eye on.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Jordan Tripp...

Shows good plate discipline, power and speed potential, could be a very nice pick here.

Baseball America wrote...

Conversely, the bat of outfielder Tripp, a transfer from Cal State Fullerton to Golden West JC who has impressive tools and a pro frame, has finally started to fulfill his promise at bat this year, hitting .364 with more walks than strikeout and good speed for a man his size (6-foot-4, 210 pounds). Still just 20, he may return to a D-I school if he does not sign.

 

 

Blake Hassebrock (RHP)
UNC - Greensboro

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

7-15-89

6’5"

205

R/R

Junior

---

8


I'm kind of "meh" about this pick. Hopefully he reaches his potential.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Blake Hassebrock...

Can hit 94 MPH and looks like a pitcher at 6-5, 190, but has serious command and control problems. Good upside but high risk of failure.

Baseball America wrote...

UNC Greensboro had righty Rob Gilliam drafted in the eighth round a year ago. While Gilliam threw a bit harder than 2010 ace Hassebrock, Hassebrock profiles better and should go in the same range, if not a couple of rounds higher. He can sit at 93-94 mph with his fastball and reaches higher in shorter stints. At 6-foot-5, 190 pounds, he has the body scouts look for, and he has shown the athletic ability to repeat his delivery--though he has not been able to actually do it. Scouts say his mechanics need significant work, and his 44 walks in 73 innings attest to that. He worked in several roles for the Spartans this season, and when he started, he generally maintained his stuff but was left in games too long thanks to a poor bullpen. He pitched better than his 0-7, 7.15 record suggests, but he's also raw for a college pitcher. He was expected to come off the board in the first six or seven rounds. 

 

 

Antwoin Kirby-Jones (1B)
Tennessee Tech University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

10-2-88

5’10"

215

R/R

Junior

YES

9


Kirby-Jones is a 1B at best which obviously suggests he was drafted for his bat. The dude can hit (yes, another hitter chosen by the A's in their top 10 selections)! He's already signed which is great too, so he can get right into the "swing" of things (bad pun - sorry, couldn't resist haha). In the 9th round, you could do a lot worse. I like the upside potential of this pick.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Antwoin Kirby-Jones...

Good power, good plate discipline, lacks tools and glove.

Baseball America wrote...

Kirby-Jones has hit 46 homers the last two seasons and has some of the nation's gaudiest numbers in 2010. He understands the strike zone (58 walks) and has a short, powerful swing with plus raw power. He has thickened up over his college career, and his 6-foot, 230-pound frame holds him back defensively. He's a well-below-average runner who is limited to first base despite arm strength that allowed him to pitch 100 innings over the last three seasons.

ProjectProspect.com wrote...

Kirby-Jones has become sort of a trendy sleeper pick and a quick glance at his stat line tells you why. Kirby-Jones is hitting .388/.531/.859 with 26 home runs and 58 walks in 275 plate appearances. Despite producing elite power and walk rates, Kirby-Jones does have a fatal flaw: contact. He has struck out in 19.3% of this plate appearances this year, showing very little improvement from the 20.7% whiff rate he posted in 2009. However the rest of his offensive game has been so good, if that one (large) area can just be made adequate, Kirby-Jones could be a fantastic draft choice. If not, I still want him on my slow-pitch softball team.

 

 

Joshua Bowman (RHP)
University of Tampa

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

9-9-88

6’2"

200

R/R

Junior

---

10


Sorta feel the same about Bowman as I do about Hassebrock...not too excited.

John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had this to say of Joshua Bowman...

Successful college guy with an average arm, could be middle relief filler.

Baseball America wrote...

Bowman has two average pitches in his fastball and curve and should be a double-digit pick.

 

 

Wade Kirkland (SS)
Florida Southern College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

4-4-89

5’10"

180

R/R

Junior

YES

11


Kirkland has already signed which is great. Intruiging pick as he's a SS that can hit. Might not stick at SS though and some have reported a possible move off the position.

Baseball America wrote... 

Florida Southern's best position player prospect should be third baseman Kirkland, a grinder who can hit and has some power. He runs fairly well and should be able to stay at third.

 

 

Matthew Thomson (RHP)
University of San Diego

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-22-88

6’4"

205

R/R

Senior

YES

12


Hopefully the A's can add Thomson to the list of successful bullpen arms they've developed in recent years. He throws strikes which is what you like to hear regarding a bullpen arm. He's already signed so look for him to join one of the rookie teams soon.

Baseball America wrote...

Thomson has enjoyed an excellent season coming out of the bullpen, striking out 56 in 41 innings. While his fastball is not blazing at 89 mph, he moves it around the zone and throws strikes. 

 

 

Arthur Griffin (RHP)
University of San Diego

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

1-28-88

6’4"

205

R/R

Senior

YES

13


Griffin was the A's next draftee after fellow USD teammate Matthew Thomson. He was a senior this year and selected in the 13th round so I would think he'll sign eventually.

 

 

Gerald Menna (RHP)
Brookdale Community College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

12-24-88

6’3"

205

R/R

J3

YES

14


John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball had Menna listed as a pick to take 'note' of.

Baseball America wrote...

The top prospect in New Jersey is Brookdale CC righthander J.C. Menna, who ranked 16th on this list and went undrafted a year ago. He did improve his performance this spring, going 6-3, 1.53 with 64 strikeouts and 16 walks in 59 innings. A 39th-round pick by the Pirates out of New Jersey's Red Bank Catholic High in 2007, Menna headed to James Madison after graduating, then transferred to Seton Hall and finally landed at Brookdale last season. Menna ran his fastball up to 92 mph at times in 2009, but his velocity was inconsistent, and his breaking ball was mediocre. This spring, he threw more consistently in the 90-92 range with good life, and he improved his secondary stuff, flashing an average slider and a fringy changeup. He has a chance to be drafted toward the back of the top 10 rounds.

 

 

Scott Woodward (3B)
Coastal Carolina University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

12-3-88

6’2"

205

R/R

Junior

---

15


Baseball America wrote...

Legally deaf, Woodward has excellent speed and patience at the plate but hasn't hit with the power he showed as a freshman. That limits his profile because he lacks the power for third base and the footwork for the middle infield. He's likely destined for the outfield.

 

 

Ryan Hughes (LHP)
Nebraska

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-20-88

6’6"

220

L/L

Junior

---

16


Hughes is another draftee I hope the A's can sign. At 6'6", 220 lbs he's got a good build. Definitely someone I'd love to have in the system and will be keeping tabs on if the A's can sign him. He's also from Pleasanton, so he has local ties.

 

 

Drew Tyson (RHP)
Reinhardt College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

8-11-89

6’5"

195

R/R

Junior

YES

17


Click HERE for video of Drew Tyson courtesy of Checkswing.com.

 

 

 

Jose Macias (RHP)
Franklin Pierce University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

7-18-89

6’2"

180

R/R

Junior

YES

18


Macias was a Division II college player, but put up some good numbers. Promising bullpen arm?

Baseball America wrote...

The Ravens boast Upper New England's top prospect again this year in junior righthander Macias, who went 9-1, 0.96 with 110 strikeouts and 19 walks in 85 innings to lead Franklin Pierce back to the Division II World Series. Macias, a 6-foot-1, 185-pounder, played shortstop during his 2008 freshman year at Monroe (N.Y.) CC and his sophomore year at Franklin Pierce. He threw just one inning in 2009, but the Ravens decided to convert him to the mound full-time for his junior season, and he earned East Region pitcher of the year honors. Macias dominated largely with his fringe-average 75-81 mph slider, and scouts said they wanted to see him pitch more off his fastball, which ranges from 88-91 mph. He flashes an occasional changeup, but rarely before the fourth inning. Macias has some athleticism and arm strength, but he's not overly physical. He projects as a 10th- to 15th-round pick. 

 

 

Logan Chitwood (RHP)
University of Texas - Tyler

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-28-89

6’1"

185

R/R

Junior

YES

19


Seems to have good control and strikeout ability. Another promising relief arm if he signs.

Per Scout.com's Melissa Lockard...

Chitwood is a closer. He saved six games and had a 3.12 ERA with 53 Ks and only 8 walks in 34.2 innings.

 

 

Eric Ramsey (CF)
Chattooga HS (Georgia)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-10-92

6’0"

175

L/L

HS

YES

20

 

 

Michael Anarumo (LHP)
Le Moyne College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

9-7-89

6’4"

180

L/L

Junior

---

21

 

 

Michael Strong (LHP)
Oklahoma State

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-17-88

6’0"

175

L/L

Junior

---

22

 

 

Zachary Thornton (RHP)
Oregon

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-19-88

6’4"

210

R/R

Senior

YES

23


Baseball America wrote...

Righthander Thornton is a 6-foot-4, 210 pound senior who wears size 17 shoes and has a funky, low three-quarters arm action. Early in the year his sinking fastball sat around 90-93 mph, though later he was more 86-88. He has the best changeup and command on the Oregon staff, but his breaking ball is nothing special.

 

 

Ryan Lipkin (C)
University of San Francisco

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-19-88

6’1"

205

R/R

5S

YES

24


Lipkin is a local product (from Vacaville) that attended University of San Francisco. He's already signed on so should be fun to root for due to his local ties if nothing else.

Baseball America wrote...

Catcher Lipkin earned a surprise spot on Team USA after his sophomore season to put himself on the map. Lipkin throws well, has leadership qualities, competes well, has strength with the bat and is good behind the plate. He struggled as a junior, hitting just .266, then bounced back with a solid senior season in 2010.

 

 

John Whitaker (OF)
Kennesaw State University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-19-88

6’3"

235

R/R

Junior

YES

25

 

 

 

Jacob Brown (LHP)
Georgia Southern University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

12-28-86

6’2"

220

R/L

Senior

YES

26

 

 

James Frankoff (RHP)
UNC - Wilmington

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

8-27-88

6’5"

200

R/R

Senior

YES

27

 

 

Ryan Pineda (2B)
Cal State Northridge

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

4-17-89

5’11"

180

R/R

Junior

---

28


I'd love it if the A's could sign Pineda. Seems like a good sleeper pick.

Baseball America wrote...

The Big West's home run leader for much of the year was Cal State Fullerton's Christian Colon, but late in the year Cal State Northridge second baseman Pineda passed him. Pineda has offensive instincts, an aggressive swing and an aggressive approach at the plate. He stole 24 bases as a senior but is an average runner. 

 

 

Zachary Hurley (RF)
Ohio State

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-27-87

6’0"

200

L/L

Senior

YES

29

 

 

Jeff Urlaub (LHP)
Grand Canyon University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

4-24-87

6’2"

165

L/L

5S

YES

30

 

 

Aaron Judge (1B)
Linden HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

4-26-92

6’7"

230

R/R

HS

---

31


The A's drafted Judge as a 1B, but the Baseball America write-up below seems to project him as more of a pitcher. Judge would be an interesting sign since he seems to be a possible 2-way player. Most likely a hard sign since he's committed to Fresno State and wasn't picked until the 31st round.

Baseball America wrote...

Six-foot-7, 225-pound Judge is reminiscent of former Astros flamethrower J.R. Richard. One look at Judge and his delivery is enough to hook most scouts, with the feeling they're looking at a future big leaguer. He pounds the bottom of the strike zone with tremendous tilt. His delivery is smooth and hitters tend to swing at his 87-90 mph fastball like it's 93, while his overhand curveball has good spin and late break. With his large hands, Judge has yet to master a changeup grip. He added a split-finger fastball that should be relatively easy for him to pick up. Judge is also a physical righhanded hitter with power and good speed, going down the line in times as low as 4.20 seconds. More scouts like him on the mound. He has committed to Fresno State.

 

 

Todd McInnis (RHP)
University of Southern Mississippi

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-26-88

6’1"

160

R/R

Senior

---

32


Baseball America wrote...

McInnis was an eligible sophomore last year but wasn't drafted, due mostly to his size--he's listed at 6-foot-1, 160 pounds and may be smaller--and signability. McInnis' best attributes remain his command of a fringy fastball and his solid-average curve.

 

 

Sean Murphy (RHP)
Keystone College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

8-23-88

6’6"

215

R/R

Senior

YES

33

 

 

Aaron Larsen (RHP)
Bethany College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-1-87

6’1"

190

R/L

Senior

YES

34

 

 

Andrew Bailey (RHP)
Concord University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-30-89

6’5"

215

R/R

Junior

YES

35


No, not our Rookie of the year/All-Star closer. But here's to hoping he reaches such heights :) Bailey has already signed so we officially have 2 guys named Andrew Bailey in the Oakland system.

 

 

Bobby Geren (3B)
San Ramon Valley HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-28-91

6’1"

185

L/R

HS

---

36


Yep, our lovely manager's son. Ok, I can understand a team taking a player with ties to someone within the organization. But jeez, the 36th Round for Bobby Geren? Maybe wait to do the whole 'favor' pick till round 50. The dude has a full ride to Princeton (and congrats to him on that for sure!) so there is no way he signs. I would have rather drafted someone like Lonnie Kauppila (our 44th round selection) here in hopes that a higher draft slot would persuade him to consider signing.

 

 

Daniel Petitti (C)
North Georgia College & State University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-12-88

6’1"

190

R/R

Senior

YES

37

 

 

Michael Fabiaschi (2B)
James Madison University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

8-17-88

5’11"

185

R/R

Senior

YES

38

 

 

John Nester (C)
Clemson University

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

5-28-89

6’1"

210

R/R

Junior

---

39

 

 

Andrew Smith (RHP)
Roswell HS (Georgia)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-5-91

6’1"

185

R/R

HS

---

40


Baseball America wrote...

Smith is a North Carolina recruit who has shown good arm strength at 90-92 mph, touching 93. He has flashed a strong curveball with depth at times, but didn't wow scouts despite his good raw stuff.

MLB.com wrote...

Smith earned Under Armour All-America honors in 2009. He has committed to play at the University of North Carolina. 

 

 

Andrew Knapp (C)
Granit Bay HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-9-91

6’1"

175

S/R

HS

---

41


Baseball America wrote...

Switch-hitting high school catchers who profile as high-average hitters and above-average defensive players—not to mention having baseball bloodlines—are not very common. Andrew Knapp, whose father Mike caught professionally for 11 years, fits that description. He has a pure stroke on both sides of the plate and his set-up and mannerisms resemble Chipper Jones. He shows more raw power on the right side. Knapp is 6 feet, 175 pounds with wiry strength, and he physically should resemble Jason Kendall. He hits the ball hard to all fields and does so with flashes of extra-base power. Defensively he flashes the tools of an above-average catching prospect but also has plenty of room for improvement. His arm grades out near average, but if you watch him enough you see a plus arm on his snap throws behind runners. Knapp's receiving skills are presently fair due to occasional trouble on the glove side, but he projects above average. His arm stroke and footwork too often do not work together on his throws to second base, but like his receiving he has the ability to develop better skills. Knapp has committed to California.

 

 

Louie Lechich (LHP)
St Marys HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-19-91

6’4"

200

L/L

HS

---

42

 

 

Spencer Haynes (SS)
Brandon HS (Florida)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-15-92

5’10"

160

R/R

HS

---

43

 

 

Lonnie Kauppila (SS)
Burbank HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

1-17-92

6’1"

170

R/R

HS

---

44


Man, this dude looks smooth in the field! Make sure to check the video report by MLB.com below. I would love it if they could sign Kauppila, but the chances of that happening are probably pretty slim considering he has a commitment to Stanford and wasn't chosen until the 44th Round.

MLB.com wrote...

Kauppila is a classic good-glove, can he hit type prospect. There's no question that he has the outstanding defensive skills across the board to play shortstop defensively at any level. The concerns do arise when it comes to his bat. While he's a decent contact hitter, he lacks the strength now to assure people he'll be able to hit as an every-day pro. A team that loves the glove and thinks he'll add strength as me matures may take a chance or perhaps he'll fulfill his commitment to Stanford and be a more finished product down the road.

Click HERE for MLB.com's video draft report on Lonnie Kauppila. 

 

 

Krey Bratsen (CF)
Bryan HS (Texas)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

6-12-91

6’1"

165

R/R

HS

---

45


Baseball America wrote...

Bratsen is the fastest true prospect in the 2010 draft, capable of running the 60-yard dash in 6.35 seconds. He seems destined to take that speed to Texas A&M. His father James led the Aggies in RBIs for three years running in the 1970s, and the campus is just five minutes from Bratsen's high school. He also has a seven-figure price tag, and the rest of his game isn't refined enough to warrant that kind of payday. Bratsen's second-best tool is his strong arm. He has plenty of bat speed, but he has a long righthanded swing and doesn't make consistent contact. At 6 feet and 160 pounds, he lacks the strength to drive balls. His speed is an asset in center field, but his instincts are just fair and he doesn't take good routes on flyballs. Bratsen has considerable potential as a hitter and defender, but he's a few years away from realizing it yet.

 

 

Tyler Skulina (RHP)
Walsh Jesuit HS (Ohio)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

9-18-91

6’5"

252

R/R

HS

---

46


Baseball America wrote...

Skulina had elbow issues at the end of last summer and back problems this spring, and at times his fastball dropped to the mid-80s. Once healthy, he pushed his fastball up to 90-93 mph and his career record to 26-0 through the Division II regional playoffs. He has a power slider that's inconsistent, and scouts say his arm action is long and his 6-foot-6, 235-pound frame is a little soft. He's committed to Virginia.

MLB.com wrote...

Skulina signed to play at the University of Virginia. 

 

 

Tony McClendon (OF)
Fullerton College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

9-1-90

6’3"

190

R/R

J2

---

47

 

 

Zachary Johnson (3B)
Ohlone College

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

6-16-88

5’11"

200

R/R

J2

---

48

 

 

Nicholas Rosso (OF)
Lincoln HS (California)

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

3-3-91

6’1"

180

L/L

HS

---

49

 

 

Thomas Walz (RHP)
Kansas

DOB

Height

Weight

B/T

Class

Signed

Round

11-21-88

6’0"

175

R/R

JR

---

50


Baseball America wrote...

At times, Walz will flash a 91-94 mph fastball and a plus breaking ball, and he has won eight games in each of the last two seasons for Kansas. But the 6-foot, 175-pound righthander also confounds scouts, because there are games where he works at 88-91 mph and he has more of a slurve. His stuff, ability to throw strikes and his competitiveness earned him a spot on Team USA last summer, yet he was telling teams he plans on returning for his senior season.

 

 

 

 

 

That wraps up our selections for the 2010 Rule 4 Draft. I'll add 'Yes' markings to the corresponding player columns as more of our draftees sign :) Go A's!

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Overall, I'd also give it a B

There’s a lot of info here which I’ll read tomorrow but looks solid.

I liked the Choice pick and loved the Cabrera pick. Past that, there’s nothing too exciting but in the MLB draft past the first two rounds, what more can you expect? I do like the Thompson pick. I’d love to see the top picks sign early and go to Vancouver/wherever. Vancouver and AZL both start June 21 to the best of my memory.

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by vignette17 on Jun 14, 2010 3:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Excited to get your thoughts on everything vignette17!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I give it a C

seems like they did well early and up to the Vail pick then just picked low ceiling college guys who had to sign and high school players who they knew wouldn’t. that last thought is rather uninspiring. however, the A’s currently are leading in number of prospects signed, so maybe im just brown eyed and full of it.

by DubElXero on Jun 14, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't agree about the picks after Vail

7th rounder Jordan Tripp is toolsy athlete who is just starting to come into his own after transferring from Fullerton, definitely not a low ceiling college guy. Hassebrock in the 8th is another guy who’s potential is much higher than his current production, he is more of a boom or bust guy. I wouldn’t even say that Thompson in the 6th is a low ceiling college guy as some reports suggest he has as much power as any college hitter in the draft this year and fell due to injury concerns. There’s also some raw “throwers” like Ryan Hughes who was drafted almost entirely on potential as he didn’t even play baseball in high school.

Just because the A’s stopped drafting high school players after Vail doesn’t mean the rest of the draft was filled with low ceiling college guys. In a weak draft I’d say the most dominant theme of the A’s draft class is potential.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Totally agree on the dominant theme of the A’s draft being POTENTIAL

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome and great job

this just might be the most effort I’ve ever seen put in the first FanPost. And it’s not only effort, it is a great overview – I will bookmark this one to check upon the guys later. Heartily recommended.

One question – how do you evaluate the draft? Does an “A” mean that the A’s got A-level of talent, or that they did A-level of job picking whatever was available at a given moment?

They went hitting heavy and they also went righthanders heavy in the early rounds. Save for Shipman, no lefty bats were taken in first 15 rounds.

On a side note, Jeff Urlaub (German for vacation) gets the nod as the coolest name in the draft class.

by elcroata on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks elcroata!

The grading system, at least in my mind, was related more toward how well the A’s did picking whatever was available at their slot.

BlameChannel53 had a great take on this draft a few posts below here…

…the A’s did an above average job of finding talented players in a draft that was considered by every expert I read or talked to as a below average draft.

It is obvious that the A’s greatly valued upside and tools in this draft over polish and high floor. I think this strategy is a good strategy for a down draft year; teams tend to look for safe harbors in a down draft and thus there is good value to be had on boom/bust prospects.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

teams tend to look for safe harbors in a down draft

See Texas

"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010

by adragon on Jun 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The grades are based on

Grades in the US. A for 90% b for better than 80% C for better 70%; D for better than 60%.

Don’t know how they do it Croatia.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Jun 14, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, thanks

I knew that, though – I finished my high school in Syracuse, NY. It was really what are we evaluating – the quality of selection or the quality of the players. I didn’t really formulate it all that clearly.

by elcroata on Jun 14, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my bad too man...

Hard to clarify how to grade a draft for sure. At this point I’m grading on our selections. But an overall grade will be largely dependent on who we sign. For instance, if we theoretically failed to sign Michael Choice and Yordy Cabrera, this would be a really bad draft.

I would just grade taking all things into consideration when it comes down to it. Yes, this was a down draft year by all accounts. However, I think the A’s graded out at a B level considering the talent that was draft-able in 2010.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Job

This is great one source for the A’s draft info. You put a lot of effort in!

Rec’d!

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks much OnlybuyBeaneJerseys!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

No man Thank you

This was effort Urban wouldn’t put the time in to do and he’s paid.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 14, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good read.

You might want to edit it though:
Sean Murphy and J.C. Menna have both signed.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 14, 2010 6:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I didn't see it while skimming, but a giant red "SIGNED" next to their name would be a great addition.

Then the post could be easily edited when new players officially join the organization.

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by thejd44 on Jun 14, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just noticed you have a "signed" box

I suppose that will suffice.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Jun 14, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see something like this:

But then apparently I’m slightly imbalanced.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 14, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha :)

Thanks for the heads up on Menna and Murphy. Update complete.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thx for the overview bbb, great piece of work

I’m not sure where you got the Baseball America pieces, but if you have a payed account, I would expect these quotes to create some copyright issues.

You suggest the overall grade should be a B, given the lack of impact pitchers, yet you’re very enthusiastic about the first 4 picks. I don’t believe any impact pitchers were available at that point (probably not too many impact pitchers were available after Taillon)

Do you have some numbers to go with the stories ?

by OPS2000 on Jun 14, 2010 6:55 AM PDT reply actions  

We drafted a lot of talented pitchers who have flaws - things I'm hoping our stellar pitching staff can correct.

The organisation was lacking power bats though, so it’s really tough to argue with the front office’s line of thinking in this draft.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 14, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks OPS2000!

Regarding the Baseball America quotes…I do not have a subscription with them. However, all the quotes I pulled were accessible from their website without a subscription. Thanks for lookin out though…I definitely want to make sure to not violate any copyrights.

Agreed on the pitchers in this draft. And with the potential upside of the A’s first four picks I have no problem with them not taking a pitcher. I guess my feeling was that with regards to this being a down draft year, the A’s did a great job of taking players that have potential to be impact bats.

With the A’s ability to develop relief arms, I think this could be a class with average value in the pitching ranks…just not great value.

I’m not sure what you mean when asking if I have some numbers to go with the stories. Can you explain?

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think your BA quotes are probably fine, but

a good practice would be to make a link to the source out of “Baseball America” each time you quote them. Not necessary to go back and edit now, but a good idea for future reference.

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by iglew on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

I’ll make sure to do that for future posts. Thanks for the suggestion iglew!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude. This is AWESOME.

I only had a chance to read up through the Choice information because I’m at work, but this is tremendous work.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Jun 14, 2010 7:45 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

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by mikev on Jun 14, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 14, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks so much thejd44

Really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the draft!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would like to chime in and rec for the good work done here

The first thing that stands out to me about the draft is how heavy it is on physical projection. Just kind of funny to note that after being known for favoring skills and prior production the A’s took a lot of guys who “look like ball players” but may not have had the production to match thus far.

Definitely seems like a scout’s draft where you just have to hope the A’s did their homework and the scout’s who saw these guys were correct in their evaluations. Vail in particular should be interesting because he seems to be the first pick which looked like a reach to neutral evaluators. I think I saw a quote from the A’s front office somewhere that compared him to Vin Mazzaro as a kid with raw secondary stuff but a good naturally heavy fastball that they think they can build off.

I’m kind of interested to see what happens with guys like Ramsey and Judge as high schoolers drafted in the 20th and 31st round. Generally I assume picks like this will go off to college but with word that Choice will sign for slot and no obvious Stassi or Hunter type picks who will require 1st round money later in the draft the A’s might just find themselves with some extra money to burn in the draft budget. I’m still not expecting any of the 3rd day HSers to sign but I will be keeping an eye out.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 14, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Good point

It will be interesting to see when and if the A’s might throw some overslot money around.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

…thanks for the kind words too dude.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Terrific Post

I agree with your overall grade of B, the A’s did an above average job of finding talented players in a draft that was considered by every expert I read or talked to as a below average draft.

It is obvious that the A’s greatly valued upside and tools in this draft over polish and high floor. I think this strategy is a good strategy for a down draft year; teams tend to look for safe harbors in a down draft and thus there is good value to be had on boom/bust prospects.

It would not surprise me if the A’s ended up getting skunked on this draft and ended up without a single average major league producer out of this draft. Choice and Cabrera are far from surefire major leaguers, and from the 3rd round on the probability of finding major leaguers goes way down even in the best of drafts.

It also would not surprise me to see the A’s find a couple of gems in this draft class, particularly on the hitting side. The A’s acquired a ton of upside talent in a down draft year, and now just have to find a way to develop that talent. It will be fun to follow these guys in the next few years.

As far as pitching goes, it is hard to have a great pitching draft when the only Top 10 round pitchers picked were in the 5th,8th, and 10th rounds. Getting a raw high school pitcher, a college starter with good velocity and a great pitcher’s body but terrible command and stats, and a reliever is about all you can expect. After the first 10 rounds, all you can do is hope that a college pitcher with poor velocity will turn into the occasional Dallas Braden or a younger pitcher with projectability will become the occasional Rich Harden.

Kirby-Jones is likely to be my favorite A’s player if he beats the odds and makes it to Oakland — or wherever the A’s are playing by then. Remember when the A’s “Moneyball” draft philosophy was supposedly getting guys with good stats but terrible physiques? Whether that draft philosophy ever really existed, this guy is the prototype of that. He ain’t selling any jeans, but he would be a fun to watch.

I like Wade Kirkland as a nice value in round 11. I also am intrigued with Aaron Judge in round 31. I know people who have scouted him, and they say he can’t hit a lick for now, but a young 6’7" athlete who has power and speed tools in round 31 would be nice if he can be signed away from Fresno State.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 14, 2010 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Now i'm exicted about the Vancouver season starting this Friday

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by Jessse on Jun 14, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice job on the post!

Ya, this draft is kind of “meh” in my book, but I think it’s mainly due to the crop that the team was pulling from, and not from any particular picks or non-picks. Seemed like a pretty poor draft class from the get-go and now that it’s come and gone, it only seems that much more so now…

Anyways…I think the A’s did fine with their picks. I would have liked them to have picked up at least one or two guys that were sure-fire starters, since the pitching depth is looking thin in the system, but maybe one of these guys with starting experience (like Vail or Griffin or Thomson) will stick as fringy back-end guys and provide some value…

Doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of “star potential” in this class. Choice has a good chance of being an above-average LFer for a few years, but I’m not super excited about him.

MY favorite picks were Shipman and Lewis at 3 and 4. I think both guys could develop into solid everyday players with a but of upside due to their ages. I’d be happy if those two made it to the show and contributed a few league-average seasons at their positions, plus Choise and a relief arm or two made it from this crop.

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by Taj Adib on Jun 14, 2010 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Always love your posts Taj

Thanks for your feedback an encouragement to write this piece!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The pitching depth is only thin because they've had a handful of guys graduate in the last year

I think it’s misleading to say that they need pitching (well, you always need more pitching, of course). Maybe the minors are a bit devoid of pitching talent right now, but that’s only because they have a ton of pitching talent in the majors (and, presumably, locked up for quite some time).

I’m not worried about this so-called lack of pitching, mainly because I don’t think they actually have a lack of pitching.

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by thejd44 on Jun 14, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about starting pitching?

Besides Krol, do you think the A’s have a really high-upside starter in the system? I’m not really considering Ynoa since he is still hasn’t really pitched in game situations.

I think we have some great relief arms ready to go. My worry is with the high-upside starting pitching depth at the minor league level. Then again, maybe we’ve been spoiled with so many great pitching prospects in recent years.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fautino de los Santos? Josh Outman? Arnold Leon?

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by iglew on Jun 15, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I keep looking for an S.

Or at least a circumflex.

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by iglew on Jun 15, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know!

Say the name out loud and you have the poor Andalusian farmer talking about his little son Fausto.

It’s like this joke about two Andalusians talking:
- ¿Como se dice “uno” en Ingles?
- “One”
- Coño, ¡como mi primo!

by elcroata on Jun 15, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do those guys really fit into that category?

I think Outman is less of a prospect. Great upside though.

Santos was 3 years ago but now he’s 24 in single A. Granted he does seem to be pitching well.

I don’t know too much about Arnold Leon but he was ranked in scout.com as 18th best A’s prospect.

I’m with BBB in that I’d like to see more young (19-22) in low and high A ball, with high upside. Giving us pitching for the 2 tp 3 years out.

It is hard however to address ALL organization needs in a weak draft!

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 15, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Outman and FDLS are both recovering from Tommy John surgery. Arnold Leon is about to go under the knife (or may already have) for Tommy John surgery too. Outman was arguably the A’s best starter when he went down though, so I’m definitely hoping he can regain his form.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was responding to
do you think the A’s have a really high-upside starter in the system?

I don’t know if any of these guys really qualify or not. Hence the question marks.

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by iglew on Jun 15, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

No they don't qualify

FDLS is a 24 year old reliever in A ball.
Leon is undergoing TJS, has never started an entire year, and will likely be a reliever when he comes back.
I was big on the Outman bandwagon and even wrote a preseason piece about he was one of the best starting options in 2009 but his xFIP and FIP belie a luck aided 2009 ERA. Hes also going to be 26 at the end of this year and has yet to make a full recovery from TJS.

So Tyson Ross, Mazzaro, Krol and Capra are really the only starting prospects worth a damn in the system and none of them has top of the rotation upside.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

dfa!

Hope your post in this thread means you’ve finished your AN break :)

Totally agree with what you’ve said here re: FDLS, Leon, and Outman. I do think Krol has a lot of upside (maybe not ace potential, but still). Prospect-wise I personally see him projecting more favorably than Capra, Banwart, Mortensen, etc…(i.e. he’ll be a much stonger prospect at the level those guys are all playing on as he advances through the system).

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Capra more than most I think. Though his walk rate is a little concerning.

I also like Krol and hes got upside, but like I said unless he adds velocity isn’t going to be an ace or #2 pitcher.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't, this is draft related and I said I would stay through the draft.

This is an excellent effort and If there were more of them I would probably be staying around so I want to reward good work with comments.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I keep hoping Mazzaro can live up to the hype.....

He had a year and a half ago. I know he projects as a middle to back of the rotation starter, but even a number good number 3 type can help us tremendously if he’s in the number 4/5 spot behind Brett, Dallas, GIo, and Trevor.

I’m not worried about the A’s rotation one to 3 years out…..I’m worried about when the pitchers want heavy contracts/arb eligible, Beane gets trade happy, or unlucky Lists happen (typical A’s unlucky things.)

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 15, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

FDLS will move quickly I think. He's ultra talented, it's just getting his arm back into game condition.

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by OldhamA on Jun 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think

FDLS will convert back to starting eventually or will the A’s keep him in a relief role?

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

They almost cant convert him back at this point

hes going to run out of options before he can get enough innings in the minors.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of a bummer...

but if he’s able to be a successful pitcher out of the bullpen at the major league level, that would still be an amazing return the A’s got for Nick Swisher.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hate judging trades this way.

The A’s destroyed the White Sox in that trade whether or not FDLS ever amounts to anything or not. The A’s got two of the better starting pitching prospects in baseball and a former top prospect throw in for Swisher. It was a heist.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, for sure

I’m not saying it wasn’t already a heist. Just noting how amazing it’d be to have all 3 of these guys pan out at the major league level since Gio and Sweeney have already found success.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was FDLS more touted than Gio?

at the time of the trade? Hard to believe Sweeney was a throw in.

by hishnik on Jun 16, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember right

There was more excitement around FDLS and his potential ceiling. Gio’s stuggles with composure were well known at that point and thought to possibly hold him back a bit.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 16, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe he was too......

If my memory is also correct FDLS was the more higher ceiling prospect…
Sweeney lost a lot of value from the prior year which is why he was a semi-throwin. But like DFA said, it was a freakin. Could be the second best trade of the Beane Era behind trading Mulder.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 16, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Sweeney was a former high prospect who had a bad year and lost most of his luster. Gio was an all-minors strikeout leader who had control problems, and FDLS was an ace-ceiling starter, but he was only in A-ball.

Amazing trade.

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by danmerqury on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It really, really was

And I love Swisher. I still root for him even though he’s a Yankee. And I sorta hated the trade at the time (not because it was a bad deal, but because I didn’t want Swisher to go). But it was a fleecing, and when you consider what Kenny Williams got for him the following offseason (nothing), it’s a truly amazing series of events.

Many people in Chicago actually think Williams is a good GM, too.

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by thejd44 on Jun 16, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hold out hope that when Outman comes back we can flip a starter to the Yankees to get Swisher back.

Especially now that an organization that actually knows how to develop hitters has got his average up to .300.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 18, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that develop hitters?

Or buy hitters that are already developed….A few exceptions but even the home grown Yankee talent were top prospects (Jeter, Cano, etc.)

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he was

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 16, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh the question mark

…..So I think we might all be in agreement!

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Krol isn't a high upside starter either.

Unless he adds velocity hes going to top out at strong #3 starter.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Krol

Is 6’1", 180 lbs. Do you think he still might grow considering he’s only 19? And if so, could that lead to increased velocity? Bret Anderson (as one example) didn’t have exceptional velo when he was younger either.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right but Anderson was also out of shape and most of his increased velocity has been atributed to that.

Its possible, but not probable that he will grow.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mazzaro also added velocity.

In fact many prep pitchers do. It’s because the men don’t stop physically changing until 21ish. A player coming out of Highschool can very easily add a few more MPH as their body fills out.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 16, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again Im not saying its impossible but rather that its improbable

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 16, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

My POV is that there is evidence to suggest that it's not all that probable for a player to add velocity as long as he is drafted at 18ish.

If he’s 22 year old pitcher being drafted from college, yes, unless he’s Rich Harden he has all the velocity he’ll ever have. Conversely though, there are so many highschoolers who go on to add velocity around their 19-22 years I’m not sure how improbable it is.

My expertise playing sports is from Water Polo in Highschool and College, but speaking from experience, my shot was noticeably harder in college then it ever was in highschool.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 18, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitchers add velocity all the time.

Pro coaches tend to clean up the pitching motion of college and high school players. I wouldn’t expect a big jump, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if some of these college arms we drafted don’t pick up 2-3mph on their fastballs.

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by OldhamA on Jun 18, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

College arms usually drop velocity....

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Jun 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

HS arms can lose velocity, too

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by grover on Jun 18, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I don't. Well, maybe FDLS.

But that’s because they’ve graduated Anderson, Cahill, Mazzaro, and Outman in the past couple years.

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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if there's any silver-lining

it’s that our depth of pitching prospects have, for the most part, developed into quality major league players.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outstanding work.

Thx a lot!

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by Syphon on Jun 14, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

still digesting it all, but awesome post indeed!

I’m really interested in Thompson from Kansas. Like you said, much like Desme an injury dropped him down in the draft, but the guy was a triple crown winner in the Big 12 (RIP) and he has an athletic build made for baseball and the corner inf position.

Also, on Vail, his own scouting vids said he had a fastball in the high 80s, but the same vids also seemed to show he had some decent pop on it. I liked his delivery in there, a lot of movement, which it seems like scouts don’t like, but I tend to think is somewhat of a plus since it’s reproducable. In my small time spent pitching I know that any movement I could reproduce at gametime that helped my control or whatever, was great to have. I’ll be watching this guy.

by BBANGUS on Jun 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks BBANGUS

…and thanks for your encouragement as well to write this piece!

Yeah, I’m glad Vail has already signed so the A’s can get him working with their instructors asap.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome work, thanks

My take:

Choice may not be a CF long term, but his speed, arm and insticts are good enough that he’ll have defensive value as a corner outfielder. His swing is unorthodox, but the hip action seems to help him incorprate his lower half and he generates short easy bat speed. His strike zone command and contact rate were phenomenal as a sophomore – 29/30 BB/K in 225 AB), so hopefully 2010’s K spike is just a result of being pitched around. By all accounts he’s raw, but he’s as young as a college junior comes, and his upside is probably as high as any hitter in the draft this side of Harper. As mentioned in the OP, his makeup appears to be a plus.

I’m ok with the lack of impact arms here. The rotation and pen are flush for the foreseeable future at the MLB level, and Ynoa, Krol and Hoehn are the start of a very nice next wave. Where the A’s went with pitching, they got good value too. I think Vail’s upside is a bit undersold – knowing the A’s they likely see something in his command and/or secondary stuff that spurred them to draft him him so highly, and the low 90s velo is already there. Menna and Macias have followed unusual paths (both transfering between JCs and small schools) that may have left them under scouted.

The A’s were very fortunate to address organizational weaknesses at 3b and CF without having to reach. Choice went as projected, and Cabrera (30 spots), Shipman (25 spots), Lewis (10 spots) and Thompson (56 spots) all were drafted well after BA projected. Drafting a volume of high upside hitters strikes me as a good formula for finding a star or two, and the system is so much more balanced (assuming the top picks sign) than it was before the draft.

by NRC on Jun 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks NRC!

Good point on the reports that the A’s got Cabrera, Shipman, Lewis and Thompson all well after they were expected to go. Makes their value seem all the better.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

word

they really covered the ground they needed to with corner INF and OF positions. I’m sure drafting pitching was tempting, but I’m glad they tried to address field positions first.

by BBANGUS on Jun 14, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andy Seiler of SB Nation's MLB Bonus Baby Team Draft Grades

Just released on his website. He rated Oakland’s draft as a B (which matches most of our ratings here on AN according to the poll on this fanpost as of this moment). We were 14th out of all 30 teams, so pretty much in the middle of the pack.

Here is the link to Andy’s write-up…

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2010/6/14/1517338/team-draft-grades#storyjump

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I really hate his grading

Especially his explanation that “B is average.” STOP MAKING UP YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS, SEILER!

So, actually, he doesn’t rank the A’s the way we do here, because people at AN aren’t making up some fictional grading system where C is the lowest you can get and B is, apparently, right in the middle.

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by thejd44 on Jun 14, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Andy!

I’m stoked you were on Athletics Nation today man. I have a TON of respect for the work you do and REALLY value your opinion. Obviously the content you’ve worked your ass off to provide was a huge help in creating this post. Really looking forward to your coming write-ups on the A’s draft dude!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent work, BBB.

Deserving of all the recs. Thanks for putting this together.

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by iglew on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

No prob iglew

I was totally stoked to do this…and thank you for your kind words! Looking forward to chatting with you now that I’m finally posting on AN :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this work

One quick note for the moment – I believe that Anthony Thompson is a junior, not a senior (he picked up the Triple Crown as a sophomore).

by Spass30 on Jun 14, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta love MLB.com

The write-up on their draft tracker lists him as a senior, but the scouting vid on their website lists him as a junior.

All the better though if he’s a junior :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

correct

which makes that triple crown that much better for him. I’m guessing it’s also the LAST triple crown in BIG 12 history :(

by BBANGUS on Jun 14, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Nicer than anything I'd have pulled together

Good work and hopefully it inspires some other newer folks to step up and create some insightful fanposts.

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by grover on Jun 14, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks grover

But, you are a master of this stuff sir. I miss your Monday Minor Updates from seasons past :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great work and welcome aboard, BBB!

   Really thorough and thought-provoking stuff here…super job!
   I too noticed that pretty much every other pick was a kid 6’5", 210…maybe Beane decided to draft 20 Billy Beanes because he missed as a “cant miss” and the law of averages would have at least a few of these “probable misses” coming up big for us someday…
   I like the decision to go for high upside…Jeremy Brown was a great kid and a great story, but the bottom line is he ended up just another in a long line of recent A’s high draft picks that didn’t pan out. Of course it’s not about selling jeans, but it helps to be athletic when you are competing in an athletic endeavor against good athletes. It has been said that you can’t teach speed…well, you can’t teach 6’5"/210 either.
   Hooray for high upside!
   Hooray for this great post!

by kitoko on Jun 14, 2010 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks so much kitoko
It has been said that you can’t teach speed…well, you can’t teach 6’5"/210 either.

hahaha, love it :) totally agree that it was relieving to finally pick a lot of high upside guys.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Brown played a few games in the majors.

He panned out more than John McCurdy, Ben Fritz or Steve Obenchain. That puts him smack dab in the middle of the Moneyball draft.

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by iglew on Jun 14, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

he would have been a good back up catcher if he hadn't quit.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this.

Why did he retire anyway? It just seems strange to finally make it, have a good shot at being on the 25-man roster for a while, and leaving.

Desme left to pursue another calling (and while being still quite far from the majors). That makes so much more sense to me.

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by thejd44 on Jun 15, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Family issues of some type

It was never very public and I hope it all turned out okay for him.

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by vignette17 on Jun 15, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I roll my eyes higher every year when the A's claim they "don't draft based on need."

So the A’s system needs more power and more legitimate 3rd base prospects, and that’s what we got. Beane zigged a bit from last year when prep students were regulated to being bonus babies (Stassi and Krol). Instead this year Beane and co took tons of HS tools in the first 10 picks. We’ve seen the strategy before when the A’s drafted Lansford, Italiano and Mazzaro and it worked out OK, so it’s not impossible that there would be a couple good bats that will develop in about four years. If one or two of those high upside bats make it to the bigs, then the strategy will be justified I think.

Thompson is also an interesting pick. Picking a player that hasn’t played in a year due to injury or other reasons is a strategy the Angels use all the time to get good players, and the A’s have used well with Grant Desme and Ian Krol. If he really did have a first round bat before his injury, the A’s might have gotten away with one.

I’m not as worried as everyone else about the pitching. Taking a look at current A’s pitchers:

First Round: Ben Sheets (10th overall)
Second Round: Trevor Cahill (Prep pitcher, added multiple pitches), Brett Anderson (Prep pitcher, drafted throwing high 80’s and now mid 90’s)
Third Round: Vin Mazzaro (Prep pitcher, drafted throwing high 80’s and now at low 90s)
Sixth Round: Andrew Bailey (ROY, All Star)
Seventh Round: Ian Krol (Prep pitcher, drafted throwing high 80’s and now at low 90s)
11th Round: Michael Wuertz
24th Round: Dallas Braden (perfect game)

The point is those are all VERY good pitchers, only one was drafted in the first round, and four were drafted after the A’s first pitching pick this year. You don’t have to draft a pitcher high for them to be good, and prep pitcher can often be deceiving since the A’s seem to be good at getting them to add 3 to 6 mph to their fastball. There’s no reason a Michael Vail (5th round) can’t follow the same path as Vin Mazzaro, Brett Anderson, and Ian Krol and end up throwing 95mph as a starter.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 14, 2010 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Thompson played this year, just not a full season I don't think.

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by OldhamA on Jun 14, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

According to Baseball America he just missed the first 19 games of the season.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wish his teammate elgie woulda signed 2 years ago.

but he decided to kansas. maybe we draft him again next year. oh i played at the same high school as him thats why i wish he woulda signed.

frogstomper

by BIRDMAN82 on Jun 15, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you but....

I did read Krol was expected to be a 1st rounder after his Jr. year, but he was suspended and missed his whole senior season, so thats why he fell in the draft. So I dont think its a huge surprise he is doing well.

I think the main concern is that the A’s really dont have any promising starting pitcher prospects besides Krol. Obviously is Duke, Anderson and Outman can all stay healthy with Gio, Sheets, Cahill, Braden, and Mazzaro the A’s will be set for awhile with starting pitchers.

by JamesS on Jun 14, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pitching

I agree you can definitely find value in the later rounds. However, I think the worry (at least for me) is that the A’s pitching selections in 2010 profile as relief arms. As JamesS wrote above…

I think the main concern is that the A’s really dont have any promising starting pitcher prospects besides Krol.

I really can’t think of another legitimate starting pitcher in our system. Ynoa is still just a name at this point. Mortensen, Capra, and Banwart would seem to be the next level but they’re not blowing anyone away by any means.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand your point, but it's really hard to make a claim that the A's only draffted relief prospects at this point.

18 months ago teams were convinced that Josh Outman was only viable as a reliever.
3 months ago many scouts claimed Gio would never cut it as a starting pitcher.

The point is it’s hard to tell at this point based on what some scout is guessing and often guessing wrong. You may very well be right, and a year from now most of the good pitchers from this draft are relieving, but it’s also just as likely a Vail or another pitcher could be missing bats in Vancouver or Kane County. It’s just too early to tell.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

True, a lot can change, but...

My concern was that most all of the pitching draftees are already profiling as relief arms rather than starters who might have to move move into a relief role.

Here’s to hoping though :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Drafting power and speed isn't really drafting for need.

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

But but but Olney said so....

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jun 15, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i quiver in my analytical boots at the mention of such a giant in the field of accurate baseball analysis

He's not missing bats and still giving up HRs like they're party favors at Chuck-E-Cheese - mikev

by designatedforassignment on Jun 15, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course not

In a perfect world where pigs fly and Ryan Sweeny can hit more than 15 jacks a year every player on the team would have power and speed.

It’s not the fact that they drafted toolsy prospects, it’s that they drafted them at positions the system or big league team could improve in—they drafted outfielders and third basemen.

There may not be a conscious effort to do it, but it’s not a huge leap to think Beane told his scouts “We are short on 3rd basemen and outfielders who have power potential in the system, keep an eye out for them.” You find what you are looking for, and the A’s belief that they can improve their position players at third base and in the outfield was reflected on the draft board.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jun 16, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they looked for specific positions so much

I think the philosophy was more simply athletic players with power potential. It just so happens that you don’t really find too many middle infielders with power and you don’t find too many athletic players at 1B/C/DH.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

i wonder what they said about dallas braden. “below average fastball, decent athleticism, only 1 big league pitch (changeup/screw ball).” am i close? sometimes intangibles can take u a long way. mentality is a major aspect of pitching.

by pac4eva5 on Jun 14, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, bakerbeachboy!

Thorough, informative, and altogether awesome.

You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.

by danmerqury on Jun 14, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks a bunch dan! Thank you for your encouragement to write this as well man.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a stunningly awesome post. Thanks so much.

That sounds like some sort of sexual metaphor. - iglew

by WaddellCanseco on Jun 14, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

No prob WC, had a great time writing it :) Thanks so much for the kind words!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lewis

Well, just had my T-Ball team party tonight and finally got to talk to one of the dads on my team, who is a coach at Marina, for the first time since the draft. He said he had been telling me about Lewis for the last couple years. I guess I am not the best listener.

He thinks Lewis will be in the big leagues in three years. Obviously, you have to consider the source but he loves the kid. Good size, hits to all fields. I mentioned Lewis’ power actuals vs projected and he said Lewis is already a big strong kid. This coach also knows Barton and said Lewis has a much better head on his shoulders.

Great job BBB! I wish I had read this earlier. I might have had some better questions for him.

by easyraider on Jun 14, 2010 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks er! Always fun to hear stories from those with personal connections to our players/draftees.

I’m really digging the Lewis pick. Glad to hear he probably won’t be diving into any shallow pools anytime soon, haha.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to you easyraider :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 14, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, congratulations!

You’ve shot yourself to the front page of most popular Fan Posts ever with your first try. Nice job.

by elcroata on Jun 15, 2010 12:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Sweet! Thanks elcroata!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

chicken sandwich!

we didnt need pitching. we had a pretty good draft. I love that we actually drafted some guys with some pop finally!

frogstomper

by BIRDMAN82 on Jun 15, 2010 6:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Was going to come shar what Seiler said about Yordy

But you already had it.

Fantastic work, bro. Great job. Enjoyed it.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Jun 15, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks hero66!

Hope it’s ok that I used your quote :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as you pony up the standard $17 fee we're good

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Jun 15, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’ve got 1700 pennies, that ok?

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 15, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

68 quarters would be better

I’ll take 1700 pennies if you throw in an autographed Yordy Cabrera bobblehead

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Jun 15, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooooh.

Thanks for the heads up.

She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.

by danmerqury on Jun 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good write-up, though it just seems overly positive in terms of the individual players

I tend to see that a little too much with recently drafted guys, so I’m not picking on Andy at all. I just wish we could get “Well, everybody after the 6th round blows” occasionally. I’m oddly excited about Wade Kirkland after reading this.

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by thejd44 on Jun 16, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kirkland

Yeah, that’s pretty good value hearing Seiler thought he might go 3 to 5 rounds earlier than he did (11th Rd).

Do you think he’ll stay at SS as his primary position?

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 16, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for putting this together!

As another long-term reader here at AN, I’ve been avidly looking forward to a comprehensive draft review being posted. It’s even more pleasant when it comes from a new source. Easily one of the best ‘first’ fanposts I’ve read from anyone here in the past four years! It’s even given me inspiration to pluck up the courage myself to post my first reply.

It’s hard to evaluate any draft this early, but I am also in the category who see it as a ‘B’ at first glance. In a relatively weak draft class, I think the A’s did as well as could have been expected. I possibly prefered Grandal to Choice initially, but given the depth within the system at that position, in hindsight, I not only understand the choice but thus far support it.

There is a huge risk of complete bust within this draft, but it’s nice to see the team adjust and adapt their previous drafting strategy and target specific positions and tools, namely power. I’m not too worried about the lack of pitching drafted early. Developing pitchers doesn’t seem to be a current weakness within the organization. Power is. I’d rather see the team take a risk to address this. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, to steal an overused cliche.

All in all, I’m velly happy with his draft.

"Look, we all have something to bring to this discussion. But I think from now on the thing you should bring is silence" - Rimmer: Red Dwarf

by Suz on Jun 16, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome Suz!

And thanks for your kind words :) Yeah, in a draft with so much uncertainty, I’m glad we went with a lot of high-upside picks on the offensive side.

Looking forward to more posts from you as well!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 16, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, we really are getting a huge influx of new users.

Or new commenters, at least. Welcome!

(And that goes to anyone else who hasn’t yet hit that shiny post button.)

She lives by the wall, and waits by the door.
She walks in the sun, to me.

by danmerqury on Jun 16, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am amused!

222 out of 805 pitchers drafted were lefthanders, for a cool 28 per cent!

by elcroata on Jun 17, 2010 3:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Not a surprise really.

I’ve always said (well since I started watching baseball) that if I had a left handed son I’d tell him to start pitching.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 17, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I’ve always wondered this…

Why is it that left-handed hitters have a much harder time hitting left-handed pitching than right-handed hitters have hitting right-handed pitching? Is it for the simple fact that there are much less lhp in the game?

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 17, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's due to reps

Coming up through little league, traveling teams and high schools you will see way more right-handed pitchers so batters have a chance to get acclimated to it. It’s only at the highest levels where lefties become disproportionally represented.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 17, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks DAF. That makes sense.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's called

negative frequency dependent perceptual advantage. It, too, is explained in the linked article.

by elcroata on Jun 17, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

negative frequency dependent perceptual advantage …that’s awesome :) I’m at work right now, but I’ll definitely check out your post later elcroata. thanks for the link!

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 17, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

And, btw.

They don’t have much harder time doing that. Ten year OPS split is .757 vs .730

by elcroata on Jun 17, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a surprise

But it is incredibly constant percentage. If you read the linked article, you know what I mean.

by elcroata on Jun 17, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

28% huh?

I thought 3 was the magic number? ;-)

Very good article though.

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 17, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

And, yeah – no argument against three as the magic number from this guy.

by elcroata on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

A's announce six more signings

Tyler Vail, A.J. Griffin, J.C. Menna, Logan Chitwood, Rashad Ramsey, and Sean Murphy.

A couple of them had leaked out earlier but Ramsey is a pleasant surprise.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 17, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Another kid persuaded to give up a football scholarship for baseball?

Very interesting. So I figure he’s pretty athletic then?

"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

by OldhamA on Jun 17, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you mean Eric Ramsey (not Rashad)? Also, do you have a link DAS? I’m gonna update the signings on the post, but wanna have some backup if anyone calls me out haha :)

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 17, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The article list him as Rashad

But it also called him a right-handed pitcher so I don’t know what is actually correct.

But I do have linkage.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 17, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome, thanks for the link! The post has been updated to reflect these most recent signings.

by bakerbeachboy on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

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