Anyone check Brett Wallace numbers recently?
by batterbatter on Jun 11, 2010 12:26 AM PDT
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If you haven't, don't, If you have, stay far away from sharp objects.
Michael Taylor is stinking up in AAA. Yeah, he had an injury and in his first year in triple A, yada yada yada. He has a total of 1 hit in his last 7 game with no power. He will be 25 in December; how he can still be consider a good prospect at 25 befuddles me. At this rate, I bet that Michael Choice will hit the majors before Taylor does.
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Brett Wallace fucking sucks and is so immobile he wont ever be anything than a DH.
His OPS is 831 at AAA, that isnt good at all from a guy lauded for his bat, and he has no injury issue like Taylor does thats holding him back.
I, and every sane person who knows baseball does this trade again 10 times out of 10. You always trade the DH-only guy for a guy that plays the field. Taylor was a 20-20 guy with a 950 OPS with decent defense in the OF last year. How in the flying fuck can you even think about making such a post like this? What is the stream of logic here?
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Beane even said in an interview he thought Wallace was under rated at third.
Wallace will be fine at 1B.
The trade made sense for both the Jays and A’s. A’s had a log jam at 1st with Carter and Barton
Jays had a log jam in the OF. The trade didnt have anything to do with Taylor or Wallace sucking, it was about finding positions for the players to play.
Under your logic.....wouldnt the A's trade Carter?
Because as of now it would look like Carters future is as a DH guy. (and I like Taylor and am fine with the trade- but that logic makes no sense)
sure michael taylor has done nothing this year
but brett wallace only has 11 home runs, didn’t he have like 9 or 10 in the first few weeks of the season? i could be wrong but i thought he started the year on a crazy hot streak…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
we should trade michael taylor for chris shelton!!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Wallace is about to become more overrated by AN
Than Carlos “sub-.800 OPS in Coors Field” Gonzalez. Yes, Taylor is having a disastrous year in AAA. But let’s not glorify Wallace for having a mediocre one.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
If with "recently" you mean for example his last 10 games, then yeah, I've checked it
His OPS is .581 and that is despite his two latest games where he went 2 for 3 in each one.
You wanna check Wallace's numbers since April ended?
Yeah, shut the fuck up, troll
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lot's of swearing, insults
perhaps a bit surly at 3 am?
This just appears to be the fanpost of a troll
Does nothing but rile us up.
Yeah, I absolutely should have been a bit more polite, but this is just frustrating…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 11, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
But maybe it's a kid...
I could see some kid who got overhyped on Wallace being pissy about it.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 11, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It was posted in the middle of the night. Kid should be in bed.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a troll Post (I don't think at least)
He’s frustrated about the production of Taylor. Taylor’s not a kid, he’s at an age where a projected superstar or a projected above average player should be ripping the cover off the baseball in AAA.
He needs time but it is frustrating because he’s part of the future of our lineup which isn’t exactly “feared,” as it stands today!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 11, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No offense, but that's a pretty dumb reason.
I’d give Taylor 1 up (whatever that means. Extra life!) because he can play defense.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's trolling and he's making valid points
Wallace has put up decent number in AAA and he’s stuck at 3rd base. Plus Taylor is 25 year old stinking it up in these first few months.
But I think it’s too early to call this a blown trade. Wallace has better number this year in AAA but who knows what’s gonna happen.
There’s a good chance he won’t stick at 3rd and there’s a chance Taylor can get hot this year. He’s got better defense and Taylor has the tools to have a higher ceiling.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 11, 2010 6:47 AM PDT reply actions
Is it really too much to ask that people have at least a general idea of what they are writing about?
Wallace has put up decent number in AAA and he’s stuck at 3rd base.
Wallace has not played one single game at 3rd base this year. Seriously, people…
by elcroata on Jun 11, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you look at the Toronto Blue Jays website (las Vegas
He is still listed as 3B…I guess it was stupid to believe it but I would think it’s credible would you.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=400
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 11, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for showing this site
Without being a complete asshole! Thank you Flashfire, I will use that one instead of the MILB one.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 11, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't have to be an Asshole
Because I got wrong information from their official site….In case you’re wondering we root for the same team!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 11, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Correcting people's errors is important on this site
But putting their errors in a quote box and saying they have “no general idea,” is just disrespectful.
It’s a website and I’m over it,
I know this is hard because you’ve probably never been wrong before, but I just ask in the future will you show other ANers a little bit more respect than you showed me.
(if you do show disrespect, can you at least be funny or sarcastic about it?)
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 12, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Preaching about respect while calling people "Asshole" is an interesting concept
Perhaps it’s even funny or sarcastic, but how would I know?
Don’t worry, I’ll go all Waldorf School on you next time – after all, it’s the effort that counts.
There's a difference between telling someone they are being an asshole and
Telling someone they are an asshole. Highlighting someone’s mistake in a quote box and saying “No general idea,” is being an Asshole. Your purpose was not to correct, nor was it to start a humorous topic. It was simply to be “an asshole.”
You’re obviously very intelligent, you know AAA players not in our organization and you know “Waldorf School,” I don’t know why it’s a tough concept that you were being “an asshole.” (perhaps too much pride)
I’m sure you’re a great person in real life. I mean you’re an A’s fan you can’t be that bad. I’m guessing you’re not an asshole.
I’ll see you around treads, I have no problem with what you say to me, (in fact I think you contribute a lot,) but there’s a respectful way to correct people’s mistakes.
Peace!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 12, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions
or you could say
really? he hasn’t played 3rd all season? he is listed at MLB as a 3rd baseman. they should fix that. I stand corrected
elcroata is probably the nicest poster here and his comment was not that harsh.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
You're right Future Ed
I overreacted! But understand, It’s already really embarrassing to be factual wrong…..It’s very hard to see a big box around your error for everyone looking through to immediately spot. I’d honestly rather have a sarcastic/F-ed up comment than have my error in a big box for everyone to see.
I’ve seen elcroata post through out the years, and none of them have been too harsh.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jun 12, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
the Blue Jays have made it publicly clear that they plan for Wallace
to replace Lyle Overbay at first base in the near future….so even the Jays (who wanted to draft Wallace, by the way), don’t see him as a third baseman.
So Taylor is 24.
He’ll be 25 next season. 25 for a rookie is not bad and still very young. If a player is not up by 22 then he’s not a good prospect? Another ridiculous notion.
Case No. 1: Ryan Howard
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by stranahanahan on Jun 11, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
FWIW, Ryan Howard was destroying AAA pitching when he was called up
and had destroyed AA and A pitching before that. Here are his minor league stats. He was K’ing a ton, of course, but he never, ever hit badly at any level. The only reason the Phils kept him in AAA was that they had signed Jim Thome to a huge contract and didn’t have anywhere to put Howard.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I know Howard had much better stats at the time
But Taylor has destroyed pretty much every level he’s played at until now…
And who knows, if he turns it around in the next month, his stats still have a chance at actually looking pretty darn good this year…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 11, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, of course
but if you have a 24-year-old who hits badly for a season at AAA, that’s a problem. That’s not young for a prospect, and age really does matter.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Age matters
when a player has lagged behind in the minors, i.e. a 24 y/o in A+. At 24 and in the first full season of AAA, I’m not sure if that’s grounds for jumping Taylor’s ship.
by asyouwish33 on Jun 11, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it matters
A 24-year-old who played at a major college program and hits badly for a season (if he goes ahead and does that) in AAA — that’s a real problem. Guys who end up being really good hitters in the majors generally don’t get pwnd in AAA when they’re 24.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I understand your point
I just think its far too early to call Taylor a non-prospect because of two months of bad hitting, especially when he’s notoriously a slow starter. No doubt I’ve had my concerns, but he’s dominated every level he’s played in. I’d give him a whole season in AAA before I make any judgments.
Absolutely, I agree that we can't jump to conclusions about Taylor
That’s why I was talking about a 24-year-old who hits badly at AAA for a season. Which he obviously hasn’t done yet. But he needs to show something real at AAA this season, which he hasn’t done yet. Unless there’s a fixable injury that we don’t know about yet…
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
You should look into the research on prospects
A guy who is 24 and can’t handle AAA is pretty close to being not a prospect.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not even half way through the season
This guy was on everyone’s top 25 and now he’s not even a prospect?!? Wow how the mighty have fallen.
by asyouwish33 on Jun 11, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You're not actually responding to what I said in the context of your original comment.
Having a bad two months could just be a bad two months. Obviously.
But that’s NOT what you were talking about. You said, “He’ll be 25 next season. 25 for a rookie is not bad and still very young. If a player is not up by 22 then he’s not a good prospect? Another ridiculous notion.”
You’re right, a guy can come up at age 25 and be very good. At this point, Taylor doesn’t appear to be somebody who will be ready by age 25, at least not be ready to be good in the Majors at age 25.
He is still a prospect, but if his season continues on as it has gone so far, he’s going to be very, very low on A’s top 10 prospect lists if he’s even still in the top 10. 25 year olds who OPSed .600 in AAA are not Top 25 prospects. It remains to be seen which path he’ll take.
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by thejd44 on Jun 12, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He's got a .400 BABIP
And he’s never been particularly good in the minors. I think he’s more than likely going to end up not good.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Maas!
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It's crazy to think that as recently as 1990, minor leagues apparently didn't keep track of things like OBP.
At least baseball reference doesn’t have it.
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by thejd44 on Jun 12, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Streams Of Whiskey on Jun 11, 2010 9:02 AM PDT reply actions
Wallace is 8 for his last 38 in his last 10 games with no homers and a .581 OPS
April: .976 OPS
May: .816 OPS
June: .624 OPS
All he’s got is his bat.
Taylor’s struggling but he’s a more complete player than Wallace can ever dream of becoming. You need to learn patience.
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Taylor may be a more complete player
but Wallace is more well-rounded.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I noticed this the other day but I didn't really know where to put it. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
But this is a video of Michael Taylor from last year. He looks like every bit of the 6’6", 260 pounds he’s listed as. He looks like an NFL linebacker, and a scary one at that. By the way, he hit .320/.395/.549 in AA and AAA last year.
Here’s a video from this year. Maybe it’s just me or maybe it’s just the jerseys or maybe it’s the video but he looks skinny as a rail. There’s no way he weighs 260 in that video.
Just something I noticed.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
He looks much skinnier
Absolutely. He also seems to be out on his front foot in nearly every pitch in that AB from this year…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 11, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
perhaps the injury made him cut back on working out?
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Would diabetes potentially be a factor?
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Not sure
But I have seen him give himself a shot between innings in the dugout.
In the arm, of course.
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I've heard he's had to as many as 8 times in a game
And he did mention that he was using some sort of new or trial medication recently. I hate to instantly revert to the “he’s got a condition so it must be it” attitude, but you can’t help but wonder…
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by stranahanahan on Jun 11, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, if his diabetes isn't under control (and experimenting with new medicines suggests it may not be)
That could definitely explain things.
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by thejd44 on Jun 12, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Was at the Beavers - Rivercats last night
Taylor seems to be lost – whiffed by about a foot on a high fastball in his first AB. Definitely out in front.
by PDXAthleticsfan on Jun 11, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to tell b/c of the different angles.
His legs may be a bit slimmer in the 2nd vid, but the upper body seems about the same, from what I can tell.
He’s probably pressing big time, which is perpetuating his struggles.
2 and a half months is too soon to judge the trade.
Taylor was injured for a portion of that time. Over the next 5 years look at the performance of Taylor, Gonzo & Wallace.
I have a feeling that none of the three are going to be stars.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Gonzalez took a mildly surprising step back this year
9 walks to 48 strikeouts so far, yuck. He’s showing some power but when you consider the context, .170 ISO is not all that hot.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I'm still sticking to my prediction that Carlos Gonzalez is the new Jeff Francoeur.
Huge swing rates on balls out of the zone, coupled with low contact rates on those swings.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
Jeff Francoeur might be my least favorite player ever (just in terms of baseballness. There's plenty of bad guys I dislike more.)
I might even hate him more than Scott Podsednik.
I dislike Francoeur to the extent that the A’s acquiring him would probably make me root for the A’s to lose 162 games a season. Of course, I don’t hate Carlos Gonzalez. I agree that he’s going to not end up being as good as expected because of what you said, but he just doesn’t seem so damn obnoxious.
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by thejd44 on Jun 11, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Although if Francoeur were a +CF he'd be a pretty good player, no?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Yeah.
I meant that comp in that Francoeur started out hot, as if he was the next huge star. Then, pitchers adjusted to him, and he became a below-average to average bat.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
And is allergic to walks
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That's only because they don't put OBP up on the scoreboard.
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by thejd44 on Jun 12, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He has such an extreme home/away split
.945ish OPS @ home, <.700 OPS away.
I don’t think people will shut up about Brett Wallace until Michael Taylor becomes a really good or pretty good player at the MLB level.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 11, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
Why does OP think Wallace is having a good year?
an 850 OPS at AAA from a DH-only guy is NOT worth making this post about.
If it were 950+ then you might have a point, even still Wallace is no longer considered a 3B and hasnt played ONE inning there all year. All reports are that he is awful at 1B too. I am glad we dont have him anymore, what a waste of space.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
Chris Carters future is at DH and his OPS is 829.
All reports are that he is terrible at OF, and 1B is locked up for the A’s. So under your reasoning you must think Carter is a waste of space also.
The trade made sense for several reasons you dont have to run some illogical smear campaign to try to prove your point.
Nope I do not agree
I see Carter as a 1B who can play a better LF that Patterson or Cust can. That alone makes him > Wallace.
Wallace is a good hitter, but he’s not that good. And Im not the one running the smear campaign, OP is, against Beane.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
"I see Carter as a 1B who can play a better LF that Patterson or Cust can."
Can I just ask on what this is based?
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That's different
Than anything I have ever heard about Carter and his Defensive prowess.
I don't mind Kouz instead of Wallace
At 3rd for a couple years at worst. He is solid and gives us time to really look into a good 3B prospect or maybe trade or sign one in the future. It is just nice to not have last years problem of wondering who will play that position for us.
well, wallace is not likely to play more
than ten games at third in his career, so its not and either or. The good news is that the A’s drafter 1 outfielder 1 pitcher and 37 3rd base people in the 2010 draft
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