Cahill Dominates for 8 as A's Earn Split
by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 10, 2010 3:41 PM PDT
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PrintBrett who?
Oh, I kid.
But hey this Trevor Cahill guy is pretty good, huh? Tossing a career-high eight innings, Cahill got 14 outs on a ground balls as the A's beat the Angels 6-1 to gain a split of their four-game series.
It is the sixth straight outing that the young right-hander has gone six or more innings, but he was extra special today. He threw 73 of 108 pitches for strikes, and not once did he go to three balls on a batter, walking only one batter. Not too shabby for a hurler who was the odd-man-out when the team broke from Spring Training, and ultimately spent some time on the disabled list.
Cahill got plenty of help from his much-maligned amigos, and boy did they spread the love around. Six different A's drove in a run this afternoon, with Ryan Sweeney touching home on half of the A's tallies.
It was a much needed win for Oakland, for all the above reasons. 3-4 looks a hell of a lot better than 2-5, especially after a respectable 6-4 road trip, and any victory in a division that looks like no one is going to run away from is huge. And in a refrshing twist, Ervin Santana proved human for a change against the A's, lasting only five frames today.
Interleague ball is back tomorrow night, with revenge on the minds of the boys across the bay. 62 down, 100 to go.
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The only thing wrong with todays game
is now i need to sell back my Trevor BB-hill jersey :(
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
He threw 73 of 108 pitches for strikes, and not once did he go to three balls on a batter.
Cahill walked Wilson in the eighth.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2010 3:47 PM PDT reply actions
Yea I was about to say...
didn’t he walk 1? I’d still like to see more Ks, but you can’t argue with the groundballs
He struck him out in my book. Darn ump.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I'd like to read a copy of that sometime.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Suzuki to miss 3 games.
On bereavement list.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
So does that mean Powell
will get called up, watch Fox catch and pinch-hit once?
HILLIS...where are you???
I saw that.
Do we know whom he is bereaved of?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Also cliff had a good game
maybe a sign he is coming out of his massive slump
HILLIS...where are you???
Man, you ain't kiddin'
I hadn’t looked at his stats for awhile, and even though I know he’s been slumping, I was shocked to see just how bad he’s been.
.200/.278/.300. For an OPS+ of 59. OUCH.
Man....I am SOOOOO happy the A's got this one.
Every day this week I’ve driven home from work (I live in SoCal) listening to the d-bag Angel homer 830AM radio cast and they just drove me absolutely crazy. At no point in the last 3 days did they give the A’s (or the Rangers for that matter) any credit whatsoever for still being in the AL West race to this point. They just had this blind faith that Scioscia will once again get the most out of the Angels and will run away with the division like they have the last three years.
They mentioned crap like, “These are clearly two clubs going in opposite directions and so the Halos should take this series pretty easily.” What a bunch of crap…their guy even said something like, “God I hate the A’s so much…I especially dislike Brad Zeigler…I can’t wait for the league to figure out his stupid motion and he gets bounced out of baseball.” Such a d-bag…Ziegler’s like one of the nicest people in baseball…how could you not like him? I mean…I don’t like Santana or Aybar on the field, but I wouldn’t ever wish malice on them…
Anyways…that’s my rant for the day. Really glad they got this one. It will make it really interesting to see what those complete idiots have to say about “only” splitting the series with a depleted A’s team.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jun 10, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Rant on, Taj.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I hate crap like that
I know I’m speaking in generalities, but there is a TON more malice and vitriol among Angels fans than ours. On Halos Heaven you constantly see “Chokeland” and other such appellations. They’re mean, vicious, and rude. Not all, certainly, but way more than here. The announcers are the same. What’s the freaking deal? I honestly dislike Angels fans far more than the Angels themselves.
And its like...
They arent even clever about it either. I mean I can take some banter as long as its entertaining. People on HH are just random fans that know nothing. Well not all but 90%.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
It's always the same tired insults
We have 50 fans in the stand…our hitters are all AAA quality (it’s interesting to compare numbers on our starting nines, the differences are not all that great), Oakland is a dump…
I grew up in Irvine. Doubtless I know Anaheim a whole lot better than that handful on HH knows the Bay Area. I could say a thousand snotty things about Anaheim, but honestly, who gives a damn? They obsess about such stupid things.
by coffee roaster on Jun 10, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, for instance.....
That Oakland is a city, one that has the faults and problems of any urban area but also has theater, opera, excellent restaurants, a cultural center that let’s just say is seriously lacking in the dreary bedroom suburb with horribly snarled traffic and aging tourist centers called Anaheim. It’s Santa Ana with Disneyland. It makes me laugh that they hurl such abuse at Oakland when their team is located in Anaheim, like it’s the crown jewel of Orange County. I would literally crawl over glass before I’d live there.
by coffee roaster on Jun 10, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up in Downey
and when I left for UCSB I never wished to be in SoCal/LA Basin again. All that flat dreary landscape and cars cars cars traffic traffic traffic coupled with asphalt asphalt asphalt. Add it all up, and its
SMOG!!!!!!!!!
I agree with the “crawl over glass”.
Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.
Beane: They believe it because it's true.
by One won lost won on Jun 10, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never once wanted to go back.
You have to travel so far to see any diversity whatsoever in the landscape. And you’ll sit in traffic attempting to do so.
I don’t miss it one bit, although I confess to missing Killer Shrimp in the Marina.
by coffee roaster on Jun 10, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
A song for you...
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I love it!
Thanks, that one is a keeper. Totally bookmarked.
by coffee roaster on Jun 10, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The Eyes were brilliant
Charlotte Caffey took a major step down when she left them for the Go-Go’s ;)
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Wow, the Go-Go's...
I haven’t thought about their crap in years. Ugh. Now I’ll have Vacation running through my head for the next hour.
They were formed when there were so many brilliant punk bands performing in Los Angeles – how did they go so wrong?
by coffee roaster on Jun 10, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they're one of the bands that really did consciously sell out
in the sense that they deliberately changed their musical style in order to sell records for a major label.
From what I understand, they were all actually part of the scene. Belinda Carlisle played a few shows as the drummer for the Germs, Caffey was in the Eyes. Jane Wiedlin was one of the ones who lived in some big punk apartment house in Hollywood, IIRC.
But there are worse things to do than perform skillfully-written pop.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
There probably are
Even though I can’t think of any.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He said SKILLFULLY written pop.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
well, I know you will be shocked but I have not heard your
art nor purchased it. Having first been exposed to the nico written word, I decided not to risk the musical artistry.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
You think my written word
is all you’ve been exposed to?
HA!
You might want to see your doctor.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
lets get a disclaimer out here.
Now granted, the exposure to the written words over the years has undoubtedly augmented my mere trace of mental illness and thus causing some added counseling fees but other than that….
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
interesting synchro there Nick
you titled your post, perhaps unwittingly, after an album by the Carpenters, who were also from Downey.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 10, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I live in socal, too
And agree completely. Their announcers are completely incapable of appreciating quality in another team.
Makes me that much happier to have MLB 2010.
by ilikeike on Jun 10, 2010 4:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good for YOU!
The only way to put Angels fan in his place is to keep their team HOME for the playoffs! There is NO WAY a wildcard is coming out of the west, so if the A’s can just get and stay ahead, and play good baseball, maybe we can SHUT the Angels fans Arrogant MOUTHS for ONCE! Even in Defeat, they will probably say how LUCKY the A’s are and how they got Jobbed by refs, or some such LAME excuse. They would NEVER look and see how much talent has BAILED out of Anaheim this past off season. They miss VLAD really bad! They miss Lackey even WORSE! Lackey was an A’s KILLER! They miss F-Rod! They have lost most of their quality players and their younger players are not super stars, they are just GUYS that play OK. I think if the A’s are BOLD enough to get a BAT sometime between now and the break, the A’s could possibly finish this season off right!!!
Go A’s !!
Angels SUCK!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Jun 10, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I love this
You! Home? No way! Shut once, lucky lame. Never bailed Vlad, worse killer guys, ok? Bold bat suck!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 10, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm awake!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad we're rising above their level of fandom!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
that get a chuckle
"Every year someone will win the World Series. Other things are more, shall we say, unusual." - EN
hey, it doesn't count!
…if it’s post-game!!
Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.
Beane: They believe it because it's true.
by One won lost won on Jun 10, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny how one person's observation
that Angel’s fans are negative and nasty and always insulting Oakland prompts a whole slew of responses attempting to prove that we can reciprocate.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
well, we don't like their asses either
But our broadcast crew is nothing but respectful towards the opponents and their fans. Was it Hud on the radio?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jun 10, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
SSS
As I only encountered Angels fans in a spring training game – but they were extremely lame. They (a man in his late fifties and his thirty-something son) were taunting a Cubs fans family with four kids (to the point that the little girl started crying), were jumping like idiots and slapping high fives over second inning singles, spilling beer in the process, screaming M-V-P for Kendrick during A SPRING TRAINING GAME and finally reverting to profanities and being asked to leave.
The Angels are the worst team in baseball.
If I could contract any team it would be them.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
by PL78 on Jun 10, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
GREAT to see the A's come up with the SPLIT!
I am stoked that the A’s were able to rebound and get a split from the Angels! Sure we would have liked to have won the series, but the Angels had been red HOT, and the A’s still got the split! The Giants lost today, and haven’t looked very sharp the last few games, but you better bet they are lying in the weeds looking to return the favor to the A’s! If the A’s can win the series, it would be great. IF the A’s sweep again, that will shut the Gnats fans up for the rest of the SEASON! If the A’s sweep, I’m taking the BROOM to work and displaying it proudly in my cubicle!!! GO A’s !!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
That FSRA is quite the wit.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Quite the WIT, that is.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Bring up Corey Wimberly from Rivercats to play short
The guy is hitting 290, can steal bases, and is an offensive upgrade. I saw him play against the Grizzlies and he stole three bases one night. He’s been working with Ricky Henderson on bunting for hits
I'd have Henderson in Phoenix when the draft picks come in.
Just as a little added incentive for them to sign.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I'd have Charles Manson there. Same reason.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
more dark side comments
"Every year someone will win the World Series. Other things are more, shall we say, unusual." - EN
Reminds me of this Charles Manson quote
It used to be that being crazy was something special.
Now, everyone’s crazy!!
Blez: Most folks seem to believe that the big flaw with the 2010 Oakland A's will be the lack of any power.
Beane: They believe it because it's true.
by One won lost won on Jun 10, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Gilbert Gotfried
I was having lunch with Charles Manson the other day and in the middle of lunch he looked at me and said “Is it hot in here, or am I crazy?”
I like Corey Wimberly.
I have a soft spot for him. He wears high socks and plays hard. But in 58 games so far, he has 6 extra base hits. He’ll never hit for power or be a regular major leaguer. If Pennington gets injured, then Rosales gets injured, then Steve Tolleson gets injured, then I think I would vote for him as a temporary fill-in. Other than that, he probably shouldn’t be on a major league roster.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
You overlooked the backflips,
because of which he should start 162 games at SS. Otherwise I would have completely agreed with you.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
[ahem] Rickey.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it ironic that people always make the Error of missing the E?
Ask me about my squirrel.
a little.
It’s strange that it’s one of the few things I’ll correct people on.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not strange at all.
It’s Rickey.
Ask me about my squirrel.
Good win today!
A much more lively game than that torpid affair yesterday! Though, I must admit it was great watching Carson plow into the wall.
Let’s keep it up through the weekend!
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
Not Carson, but...
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by Flashfire on Jun 10, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well done rageon, well done.
Ask me about my squirrel.
He looks like he just laid an egg.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Nah, at least he was able to keep his hat on, I think.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to the title of “Most Reliable Pitcher” Trevor….dont let us down.
Runner up?? Gio Gonzalez….
The rest?? Get your heads out of your asses and off the DL
Not with the way the other pitchers have been playing lately
by gatorempire127 on Jun 11, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of the stats
say that Cahill has been lucky this year, but for whatever reason he continues to go out and get obscene amounts of groundballs while not striking “enough” batters out. Here’s to hoping Trevor stays lucky!
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
That's what good sinker-ball pitchers do.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I hate it when the sinker-ballers stick together
Sticking together is what good sinker-ballers do.
Most of them said he was lucky last year, too.
He appears on a trajectory to get progressively luckier into his mid-to-late 20’s, then sustain the same level of luck well into his 30’s, with his luck finally tailing off in his late 30’s.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Jun 10, 2010 8:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes because it's impossible to be lucky for a year and a bit
FWIW, he’s got a better xFIP this year by nearly half a year.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
half a run*
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I've actually enjoyed watching Cahill pitch this year, which is something that didn't occur last year.
It’s interesting to look at his stats, because most of his peripheral stats have improved, albeit not by very much.
Not including today’s line: K/9 has increased from 4.53 to 4.91; BB/9 has decreased from 3.63 to 3.40; GB% has increased from 47.8% to 51.4%; and his HR/9 has decreased from 1.36 to 1.13. These are all important, but minor improvements. One stat jumps out at you though, and that’s his BABIP has decreased from .276 to .233, and considering he was lucky in terms of ERA last year, it’s pretty easy to see that he’s getting lucky this year.
I like that all of his stats have improved, and believe he still has the potential that made him the top rated prospect in the A’s organization at the start of last year (by most accounts), but he isn’t there yet. His recent success has been more of a lucky streak than a substantial improvement in performance (though he has improved some).
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Question (I couldn't see today's game so I have no opinion of my own on it):
Is his BABIP low because he’s getting lucky, or is he inducing exceptionally weak/playable contact? If he’s getting a lot of sharp grounders at infielders, it’s luck/unsustainable. If he’s getting a lot of routine bouncers, then he deserves due credit for good pitching.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He's consistently getting weak contact.
To be fair, I don’t recall any grounders that went through holes, which probably means he was a little lucky today. Still, he pitched a hell of a game, and had full command of his sinker, changeup, and curveball, which is fantastic.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
I think his curve really helped him today.
I also don’t remember ANY grounders finding any holes, but he also fielded a few hits bounced weakly back to the mound. I agree that it’s definitely more than just luck.
without hit fx
all we can do is speculate, but hard hit balls are more likely to get past infielders. there weren’t many of those today.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Keep in mind that none of the biggest problems he's got right now
- too many walks
- not enough strikeouts
- too many homers
Will show up in his BABIP.
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Wouldn't worry about strikeouts
Tommy John’s Lines in
1979 -—- 21-9, 2.76 ERA; 3.6 K/9; 2.1 BB/9; .3 HR/9
1980 -—- 22-9, 3.43 ERA; 2.6 K/9; 1.9 BB/9; .6 HR/9
Trevor Cahill
2010 -- 4.9 K/9; 3.4 BB/9; 1.13 HR/9
As Cahill matures and becomes more comfortable and more consistent, we can see the HR/9 dropping. Looks like the K/9 and BB/9 probably balance out pretty well now. Tommy John was the ultimate ground ball starting pitcher, and I think this is an interesting comparison.
everything is ~doubled for cahill?
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
This reminds me a bit of the discussion of Sweeney's BABIP
Tommy John is a borderline HOF’er. He’s an extreme outlier. Comparing a low-K, groundball pitcher to John is a bit like looking at a 5’3" guy and saying, “Sure, he can play in the NBA. Muggsy Bogues did it!”
It’s more useful to compare him to “middle of the pack” guys, or to league numbers overall, if you want a sense of where he’s likely to go from here on out.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Meh he's got the stuff to go anywhere he wants. The sky is the limit for Cahill.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I just don't think it's very instructive
to compare the stats of a 22-year old who has about 40 career starts above A ball with the 36 and 37-year-old seasons of a really unusual pitcher who quite possibly belongs in the HOF. 35-year-old-Tommy-John isn’t a really good model for Cahill’s success, IMHO.
I’m not saying he’s going to end up as a league average guy. I’m saying that the chance that he’ll be a great pitcher K’ing 4 or 5 guys per 9 innings is incredibly low, and the fact that Tommy John was successful doing that in his mid to late 30s doesn’t tell us much.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Yes, but....
…I was trying to show that the “laws” that some guys here push down everyone’s throats regarding strikeouts aren’t laws at all. It’s pretty obvious Cahill has a long way to go, and he may never get there. But the idea that somehow it’s impossible or that he’s a lousy pitcher who’s “lucky” is tempered by the fact that (a) there are comparable seasons of quality; (b) you can find pitchers who did well matching some of Cahill’s stats; and ©, most importantly, sinkerball pitchers don’t need high strikeout rates to be effective.
What makes Tommy John a HOF’er is that his control was pitch-perfect. There was one year in which his stats mostly do match Cahill’s. That year was 1970, when his BB/9 was 3.4 and his SS/9 was 4/6. The real difference was his HR rate, which was .6 That year, John had a losing record, but his ERA was a nifty 3.27 He had a WHIP, though, of 1.31. Crappy W-L record, if you care about such things, of 12-17.
The odds aren’t good that over a 25 year career, Cahill will never be Tommy John. But Tommy John didn’t become the HOF’er Tommy John until after his surgery. Before then, outside of his HR rates (which Cahill need to improve upon, no question), his BB/9 and K/9 rates were similar to Cahill’s today.
None of these are "laws"
but they are very strong tendencies. As I mentioned above, there’s no “law” that a 5’3" guy can’t be an excellent NBA player, but it’s really, really really unlikely that a 5’3" guy will succeed in the NBA, for obvious reasons, and the fact that Muggsy Bogues managed to do it doesn’t disprove that being 5’3" tends to make it very, very hard to be a successful pro basketball player.
As to your 3 points, I don’t disagree with them — but picking out Tommy John doesn’t demonstrate either that “you can find pitchers who did well matching some of Cahill’s stats” or that “sinkerball pitchers don’t need high strikeout rates to be effective.” It demonstrates that one pitcher, Tommy John, didn’t need high strikeout rates (although, as you mention, he did need incredibly low HR rates).
I think the way to deal with stats in this situation isn’t to ask, “Can I find anyone with this stat profile who was successful?” it’s to ask, “Let’s look at all the players with this stat profile, and see what kind of success they had.” I think that’s a lot more instructive for a number of reasons. First, it gives you a sense of whether that stat profile tends to lead to success or not — if, say, 80% of the guys who BB 3 per 9 innings and K 5 per 9 innings have been bad, that’s a red flag. But, at the same time, doing it that way might make it easier to see what distinguished the unsuccessful majority from the successful minority — is it HR rate? DP rate? age? something else? Maybe Cahill resembles the successful minority more than the unsuccessful majority if you start factoring in some of his other characteristics.
Now, none of this will tell us what Cahill will end up doing — his career is going to take its own, uncharted path. But it can give us some sense of the lay of the land, and could help us assess the progress he makes over the rest of the season.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Cahill is already bucking the odds
He did it last year, and he’s doing it this year.
Again, there are two Tommy Johns…there’s the pre-surgery Tommy John, who was a good pitcher but not a hall of famer. His strikeout and walk rates were more in line with Cahill’s, and there’s the post-surgery Tommy John, who solidified his standing as a HOF’er. What made him a HOF’er was his longevity, and the quality of his longevity.
The real question regarding Cahill, I think, is his HR rate - and most HR’s are hit on mistake pitches, and as a pitcher gets more mature, presumably he’ll make fewer mistakes. As people have pointed out, how many balls were hit yesterday that were solid, and how many that were weak? If Cahill can do that with any consistency, he’s going to have success. But he has to stop making those mistakes because the real difference, I think, between Tommy John and other similar pitchers is not the K/9 and BB/9 rates, but that when you have so many balls in play, you cannot afford to make mistakes - and Tommy John rarely made mistakes.
I agree that HR rate is key with Cahill
as it is with most pitchers. Incidentally, one of the great things about Cahill’s minor-league performance was that he had incredibly low HR rates. But in the minors, he was also K’ing more than a batter an inning. So in Cahill’s brief pro history, FWIW, limiting HRs and striking guys out seem to go together, and when he stops getting the K’s, he starts giving up the HRs. The only bad thing about his pitching in the minors, in fact, was that he walked a lot of guys, given how unhittable he was.
I don’t think we learn a whole lot by just picking one or two pitchers at a time for comps, as I explained above, but having said that, I think a closer comparison to Cahill would be Milt Wilcox — very similar BB and K rates, but a somewhat better job of limiting HRs, although I’d guess that that’s at least partly due to the era he pitched in.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Whoa......
Just did a double-take.
We’re talking about Cahill’s HR rate for 2010. THREE of those six homers were hit in his first game, on April 30th. Discounting that very first game, in the next 50.2 innings, Cahill has a HR/9 rate of .48, which is very much in line with Tommy John, not Milt Wilcox. Small sample size and all - but if we’re going to look at this year’s stats, I think we need to throw away that first game. He’s been a different pitcher since April.
And when did Milt Wilcox give up his HRs?
Everybody’s stats would look different with a mulligan.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
He just took out an outlier
You can’t do it with everyone, but just as you might say there are two parts to John’s career, there two parts to Cahill’s season as well
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
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by cuppingmaster on Jun 11, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it was between the second and third pump in his windup
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Nick ----
If the mulligan was during the season, then yes, you have to count it. But we’re not talking about statistical overview here - we’re looking at trends for the future. Cahill got racked up in his first start, and has been a different pitcher since then.
My only point...
…was that when you’re looking at a sinkerball pitcher, metrics that apply to other types don’t necessarily apply. And if Trevor Cahill’s ceiling turns out to be Milt Wilcox, that’s not a terrible thing. Wilcox was a solid mid-rotation guy for the Tigers for several years.
Um Tommy john was like 36 or something in 1979
and had been in the league for 10 years. Oh I think he had surgery prior to that, but I can’t be sure cuz I never remember what kind of surgery he had
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
The key number for me is 16.2%
That’s the percentage of breaking balls he’s throwing.
We can talk all we want about the other numbers but the fact that Cahill is now using 3 legitimate pitches instead of just 2 is huge.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jun 11, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thumbs up.......
Even Cahill said his 3 effective pitches are helping him tremendously.He pretty much ditched his slider and learned a curveball. His movement on his fastball yesterday was exceptional as well. I think if guys weren’t hitting early in the count so much he would have ended up with more strikeouts but I’ll take the ground balls and Trevor going 8 full any day.
Nice work White Rabbit! Go A’s!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
That's the key for me, too.
Last season it’s what we all were talking about. Last year Cahill couldn’t control his breaking ball, so he stopped throwing it. There was a strong opinion that Cahill couldn’t cut it without that third pitch and he should stay in AAA until he got it working again.
Well, now he’s got it working again, and he’s getting good results.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Here is the biggest difference:
2009 vs. lhb: .286/.361/.568
2010 vs. lhb: .221/.289/.327 6.04 K/9
The fb was last year and always will be a great pitch vs. rhb; he will continue to get a ton of ground balls. This year his K-rate is much higher vs. lhbs than vs. rhbs. He’s clearly doing something different vs. lhbs this year that has turned things around. I would expect his split to widen going forward with bad numbers against lhbs, but this seems to be a real improvement that is quite auspicious.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Seattle is useless.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
This is factually accurate.
;-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
At least Hamilton hit a pretty HR.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Lets get Austin Kearns
My new push. Why do you ask? We need a right handed hitting outfielder not another AAAA player like Carson. He can hit and can play all 3 outfield positions. And best of all should not cost very much since he is on a 1 year deal.
I'm gonna go ahead
and call Carson a AAA player, not AAAA. No offense to the guy.
I think he's hit a wall
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 10, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'd think he'd notice a wall
Ask me about my squirrel.
But he's gonna bounce back
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
That's 'cause he's hard-nosed
Or was.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hasn't he had like 6 at bats with Oakland?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Kearns is batting .270/.362/.410 since the start of May so we’ll see.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If we're going to make a deadline deal
I wouldn’t want to waste it on some guy who will hit like crap immediately upon arrival in Oakland. There’s really nobody out there who I would want to acquire that wouldn’t cost a crapload of prospects in return, so really I’m fine with just seeing what we have now.
I don’t really expect this team to be in contention by the time August/September arrives. With that being said, I am going to be rooting as hard as ever for this team to be in contention by the time August/September arrives.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 10, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
thats why kearns
He shouldn’t cost but some has been prospect nothing in our top 20. I agree that I wouldn’t trade any top prospects for a player right now.
Kearns
Is likely to cost someone like Corey Brown. I’m not exactly high on Brown but I still wouldn’t trade him for Kearns. I’d bet my life that Kearns will OPS in the .600 range once he arrives, and the fact that Brown still has some sort of value to him makes me not want to give him up for a bust in the making.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 10, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
not brown
That would be to much. Wait till trading deadline and get him cheap. I was more thinking sending them Fox for Kearns.
Why would they want Fox?
Isn’t he the guy that half of AN says would clear waivers and the other half says good riddance if he doesn’t/
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Yeah no
Cleveland isn’t smoking crack.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 11, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Cahill is much better over last year.
He is getting alot more groundball outs and doing alot better against left handed hitters this year. He can become a #2 pitcher if he improves his K rate to 6 per 9 innings. Which is still possible.
Lol, Brett.
BrettAnderson49 I think the airplane is even sweating in Phoenix 3 minutes ago via Echofon
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
Check it
BrettAnderson49 bummed i wont get an AB this year 11m ago via web
It’s getting too interesting.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I know what we could do to re-bore his tweets.
BretAnderson49.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
I fear the jokes are over.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Never.
It doesn’t matter if Brett Anderson turns into the most interesting man this side of the Dos Equis guy. We’ll still have the Brett jokes.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
I know, it's like a complete thought.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
this is terrible news
it will cut out at least 10% of my jokes
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Even a blind squirrel...
Ask me about my squirrel.
Did Wolfgang lose the other eye?!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
Zinger and Stick are out of Rehab. The last of the crew is nearly out themselves. Looking good. He’s got some new scars that I wonder about though. But you know how he gets around the ladies. Odds are whatever it was, he deserved it.
Ask me about my squirrel.
he's a right bastard with the ladies.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He just tries too hard and gets nervous.
He’s not an ass on purpose, but the combo of the two makes him say things that, well, the ladies don’t want to hear.
Ask me about my squirrel.
Like, "Once you go albino, you'll be blind to anyone else."
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's actually one of his better lines.
Also, “Wanna see my other one-eye, willy?” while trying to pick a squirrel chick named Wilafred.
Ask me about my squirrel.
And at least 90% of the funny ones.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Pam is on a fucking roll :)
Ask me about my squirrel.
with cream cheese!
mmmm…..cream cheese……
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
She’s been bringing her A game all week. Mixing it up well too with the subtle zingers and the over the top in your face stuff.
Ask me about my squirrel.
I should have bad weeks more often, apparently.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Yeah, definitely not :(
I’m all for you on fire, but not if it’s coming as a result of an otherwise bad week.
Ask me about my squirrel.
Gotta channel it into something worthwhile :)
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Well there's definitely that :)
Ask me about my squirrel.
salty tugs?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
but she has been getting pretty lucky
her set up to stand alone gag ratio is 5:2. its unsustainable. Only mb got away with those levels.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I would never complain about getting lucky.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Ahh! Too many tweets!
I’m so over you BrettAnderson49.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Has he really stepped up his game?
Ask me about my squirrel.
He's still got a negative VORT
but now he’s actually completing thoughts and sentences.
Case in point
BrettAnderson49 what time does the first super regional game at arizona state start?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I wonder how long he can keep that up.
Ask me about my squirrel.
I hope he returns to his previous form.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
was he an ice slide?
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 10, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh lord...
New mind-warping, stomach-churning Pilots songs are now online... follow the link if you dare (don't say you weren't warned!) NSFW!!!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
and we are back
BrettAnderson49 anyone doing anything fun tonight? 14 minutes ago via web
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Now THAT'S the Brett I (don't) know and (don't) love!
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
Carter with a solo HR his 1st AB -- 14 on the season
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Sheesh, solo home runs.
He’s obviously useless.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
We just have to make sure he hits after Pennington so he doesn't get confused by any baserunners
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Bob Geren will be assistant coach of..
AL all stars….so will Scosia, Bochy, and Bud Black or whoever is the Pads manager…see the pattern?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 10, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions
It was fun to watch, especially Cahill.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Kurt's Paternal Grandfather died
According to SuSlu
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/10/SP7M1DSLVJ.DTL
And I can’t get the linky thingy to work.
Also in that link
Dallas had an MRI on his forearm
Hint to Dallas: I say skip the biopsy.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The nerve of that guy.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
And maybe skip a start as well
For the good of his health. Anytime you give up double digit hits there’s a problem and it’s called, the other team scoring too many runs
don't feel bad
the SFGate links never work just by pasting
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jun 10, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I tried the link option
and copied it in there and they don’t even show up when I preview it before posting.
I must be doing something wrong.
On links
I think doing it by hand is pretty foolproof.
1) Go to the page you want to link to. Select the URL in the box at the top of your browser (make sure you have the whole thing selected) then copy the URL (command-C on a Mac running Firefox).
2) Come back to AN, and do the code for the link in the comment box: < a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/10/SP7M1DSLVJ.DTL” > here’s the link< /a > — except without the spaces between the letters and the elbow brackets.
So it ends up looking like this: Here’s the link
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
BTW, you can look at the plain HTML code of any page you're on
just by going up to the “View” menu of your browser and picking “Page Source”. A new window will pop up that displays just the code for the page. It’s really confusing to wade through, so it’s not a very practical solution, but if you just have to know the code for something you see on a web page, this is the way to do it.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Damn Seattle
That is all.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
Can Patterson really be all that much better than Corey Brown?
I mean…I know Brown didnt do all that well in AAA, but neither has Patterson in the majors…so I figure it works out. And although I have never seen Brown play, I have to assume he is better at defense than Patterson.
Well Brown is in AA, but he would still most likely do a better job then Patterson.
Maybe Carter will be ready to be called up within the next month or so. He seems to be heating up a little bit, and although his average is low (.239), he is still showing great power (14 hr’s and 45 rbi’s). He could probably play left field. I think they should leave him down there to get his average up a bit hgher, but I don’t see why he won’t be up this year. He’s probably not going to be a great batting average guy anyways, but he’s showing his great power and his ability to drive in runs. Plus it would be a good idea for him to get adjusted to major league pitching sooner rather than later. He’d be a major upgrade over Patterspn and other guys, and would be by far and above the biggest power threat on the team right away. Taylor on the other hand is struggling quite a bit (.224 2 hr’s 25 rbi’s) and needs more work.
by duballers23 on Jun 10, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm love this Trevor Cahill v2.0
That time in Triple AAA-hill helped a lot.
@MAD_Marvin
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BrettAnderson49
bummed i wont get an AB this year 5 minutes ago via web
Yes, it’s real.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions
this was a wild day
Sat in 126/22 with wacchampions and Ralph, 2nd game with them in 36 hours… this one turned out a bit better on the board, as we’d all agree.
Can’t say enough about Cahill, either…. last year I went to about 6 of his starts and I think it probably took years off my life. Watching him now, you want him out there; he exudes a confidence that was not present before. The new pitches help, but it seems the attitude has matured and he has a more assured look out there, even out of the stretch (which murdered him in the past, so many HRs to put games out of reach, remember?). There was a guy on second in each of the first 3 innings when it was scoreless and that guy never reached third in any of them: Trevor locked down the inning and looked confident doing so, which is new to my eyes from him.
The postgame was a blast. I spent most of it writing out questions to ask Chris Townsend but I paid attention and even got up to ask Adam Rosales a question at one point. Lovely guy, by the way… I got to chat with Adam and his cousin for about 5 minutes after the autograph people had been accommodated and told him all about this place. We reached the conclusion that although the NL is the better league to be a versatile utility guy in (with all the double switches late in games), the best AL team to be him is clearly the one he is on, where Billy looks for guys that can play all 8 positions, pitch and sell popcorn between innings. I thought Rosey was a magnificent guy and a pleasure to talk with and be around, and my interaction with him as well as the way he was during the whole event made me all the happier to cheer my lungs out for him like I’ve been doing. What you see on the field is very much what he is like in person, just less sped-up LOL
I interviewed CT for 40 minutes (!) after the thing ended, and talked with him for another half an hour afterwards. Fabulous props to EnglishMajor, who I didn’t even know was a radio person, for engineering and running the equipment… CT was mightily impressed with her oldschool Marantz rig and said that it was just another indicator that AN folks know what they are doing at all levels =)
You’ll see the interview here on Monday (maybe split in two if Danny will switch FP post days with me so it can run on consecutive days) and I’ll post the full audio file as an mp3 so you can all listen to the complete unedited version of it, so stay tuned. We went everywhere from radio past (KNBR was a topic), his baseball career in college (giving up 500 ft bombs to Jason Giambi!) to the radio present (KTRB’s mission, crafting itself before our ears on a daily basis), to his national show (it gets racy) to the A’s chances this year to the radio future as the digital media come into adolescence and begin to mainstream into the existing universe of radio and TV coverage of the teams.
You’ll read all about it but there’s a taste… I am really tired now (we all — wacc, Ralph, pam, lynnz, Berry Jo and her very awesome soccer fan daughter, English Major — went to Fenton’s after the postgame, which features a 10% discount for anyone wearing A’s gear, by the way) so I gotta wind down and chill, but thanks to all for a magnificent day, seriously.
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by emperor nobody on Jun 10, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
if you didn't know about EM
take a look at my fan shot
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Great recap, en
BTW, I’ve been thinking that the best A’s precedent for Adam Rosales is probably Bill Almon. Thoughts?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Decent comp, off the cuff
New mind-warping, stomach-churning Pilots songs are now online... follow the link if you dare (don't say you weren't warned!) NSFW!!!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 11, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm excited for interleague
It would be so great to see the A’s return to their early aughts tradition of really turning on the jets during interleague and never looking back. It was always our great runs against the national league that sparked our second half surge early in the decade. It was like clockwork.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
Who cares about interleague
The World Cup starts today, WOO HOO!
The World Cup starts tomorrow...
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
I dunno, when's the final?
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Then there you go then.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
An optimist - I like it
You do, however, realize that this World Cup is not being held in England, right?
I was able to listen to most of the game since it wasn't so late
what I liked best about Cahill was hearing that most of his outs were of the ground ball variety. That is a huge improvement from the games that I saw him pitch last season.
He had 15 ground ball outs I think.
That sinker is devastating.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
World Cup?
But what’s that sound?
@MAD_Marvin
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by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 11, 2010 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh man. Their tagline is great.
McCovey Chronicles – A San Francisco Giants Blog. In play: Out(s)
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
HAH.
Athletics Nation: Injury Delay.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I still think we should go with dan's MRI quote
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jun 11, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
As if we'll ever get to go with anything as the revolving tagline.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Definitely gonna be harder to do this time around...
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Hah. Lynnz!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
this
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury
by cuppingmaster on Jun 11, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They are not bringing the funny
the proper comment in that piece is
Sub: I dont get A’s fans
Comm: Neither does the Collesium.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yes, for all their vitriol they are lacking pith.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Brain malfunction. Not pith. Wit.
Maybe sleeping would help me.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I'm working all three games this weekend
and it’s gonna be ugly….but fun! Plus we’ll have full world cup coverage and the LAkers-Celtics on Sunday. Yikes!!!!!!!
I think we could take 2 out of 3, especially if Gio can hold his own tonight. The thing that really hurts us is Zooks being out the next three games.
Bad timing and never fun to hear that a loved one has passed. Maybe the team will rally around “Let’s win it for Kurt!”….Go A’s!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I really hope so!
Kurt’s been one of our best players. Landon can fill in quite well (have they called him up yet?!), but he’s no Kurt. We’re facing their 1, 2, and 3 in Lincecum, Zito, and Cain. Gonna be tough.
You don't form in the wet sand.
You don't form at all.
Maybe we'll come say hi Sunday?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
please do....I'll be over at Mijita' Tequila Bar today and Sunday
and at Public House Beer Bar on Saturday……stay thirsty my friends!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I might be heading home during the game
if so, I just may stop by for a few innings
Zooey Deschanel!
by ChickenStanley on Jun 11, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Lovely!
What time lynnz?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I used to live down the block from there
throw some peanut shells on the floor for me!
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
You're allowed to do that?!
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
And this place is in Oakland?
I might have to visit it and totally abuse those rules…
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
It used to be the lighthouse for the port of Oakland, but they moved it,
along with a number of other victorian era buildings, down to Embarcadero Cove when they were doing the landfill to create Coast Guard Island.
Now it’s a restaurant/bar where you can throw peanut shells on the ground. And the sunsets over the estuary are epic
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
You'll have to remind me when I do my fan post about suggestions for my trip to San Francisco.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
and get a post-game drink at
Speisekammer
sometimes Friday nights are “Pirate Friday” and their live music acts, while not that great, are very genuine.
And getting a 2 liter Optimator is awesome.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
yeah, you should definitely go
Their spetzel is the best I’ve had outside of Germany. Almost all their dishes get my seal of approval, and it’s hard to make German food taste good.
Also, 2 liter beers. About 10-12 German imports on tap.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
I like that place.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Y'all know why we won yesterday, right?
The home whites and Cliffy’s high socks. Recipe for success.
Oh, I guess Trevor was pretty good too.
We also won in the black alts.
"You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."
Hi
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
Lynnz!
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jun 11, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
ik, r!
(sits on chair and sips beverage)
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Landon recalled
OaklandAs #Athletics place Kurt Suzuki on the bereavement list, recall Landon Powell from Sacramento.
2m ago via web
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
If Jake Fox starts over him at all, I might start rooting for the Giants.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09