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Kouz Klears Bases; A's Win Wild One in Baltimore

I guess this is the blog gods' way of getting back at me after all those early-season blowouts where the recaps were written by the sixth inning.

Thanks to an inning-prolonging, bad-hop grounder the A's stunned the O's with a five-run eighth and went on to a wacky and wild win by a 7-5 score at Camden Yards, in a game that Mother Nature threatened to cancel.

I bet even she is glad she let them play.

Think what we would have missed: Jack Cust seeing four pitches in the span of three at-bats, Kurt Kouzmanoff earning a base-on-balls, and Gabe Gross hitting a home run.

And that's the tame stuff.

Star-divide

Indeed, until the A’s rallied, Baltimore was set to walk away with a victory in which its winning run scored on a bases-full, 65-foot squibbler.

 

Nick was unappreciative:

 

This is very, very annoying.

Lots of little bleeders and bloop hits tonight.

 

There was nothing bleed-y or bloop-y about Gross’ blast to center off Baltimore starter Brad Bergesen in the second inning that gave the A’s a quick 2-0 lead.

 

Oakland lost a chance for more scores after Rajai Davis and Daric Barton drew back-to-back walks leading off the third.  Ryan Sweeney’s ground ball to second resulted in your ordinary 4-3-6-2 double play, as Barton froze between first and second, and Davis was (barely) thrown out at the plate.

 

Having escaped that predicament, Bergesen retired the next 14 A’s in order.

 

Gio Gonzalez labored all evening, and the O’s knotted the game in the third with the help of a walk, a bad-hop, and a well-placed single by Matt Wieters.

 

Came the sixth, and the Orioles broke the tie amid a lightning-and-thunder show.   A hit batsman, a bloop single, and a walk loaded the bases, paving the way for the aforementioned nubber off the lumber of Lou Montanez.  Clearly the thunder made more noise than the Orioles’ bats.

 

Gio gave way to Tyson Ross in the seventh, and the rookie right-hander faced four batters without retiring one: single, walk, single, walk.  So he was consistent. The first hit scored a run, the second walk sent him to the showers.  Michael Wuertz entered and sandwiched a base-loaded free pass around two outs to make it 5-2.

 

The comeback began innocently enough with the A’s getting their fair share of shallow hits.  A two-out single by Ryan Sweeney scored Adam Rosales, and then Jake Fox- pinch-hitting for Cust- hit a groundball that looked to be the final out of the inning.  But a bad bounce corralled César Izturis at short, and all runners were safe.

 

All runners were home after Kouzmanoff hit a double up the alley to left-center, and when Andrew Bailey struck out Garrett Atkins to end the game, the A’s had a most improbable win heading into a four-game series with the Tigers starting tomorrow night.

 

Whew.

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Well, I'm appreciative of the game now

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 27, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I would've thrown up if we lost this series

Let’s win the other road series now!

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by oaklandSMASH on May 27, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Kind of fitting that Kouzmanoff taking a bad hop off the chest helped lead to early O's runs...

…and a bad hop ended up working better for them with him delivering the big hit.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

A quesition from one of my pals...

What the hell is going on with Tyson Ross?

by richwol1 on May 27, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Who should we call up? Kilby?

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

On second thought, maybe we shouldn’t. He has a 5.54 ERA in 13 innings.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had like 2 recent bad outings, ERA influenced by SSS

He was absolutely dominant before then. He’s been dominant in the majors last year and this year. I would absolutely have him on the team over Ross.

Career in MLB: 25 IP 28 Ks 4 BB 1.04 ERA

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anderson's coming off the DL

Switch spots.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on May 27, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Bowers was going down. He's not getting a chance to do anything right now.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mazzaro should be sent down before Bowers

The A’s benefit lots from Mazzaro cutting it as an SP.

Its one thing if he’s getting high leverage innings in the pen. I’d be for sending Ross down and giving Mazzaro Ross’s role in taking on some higher leverage situations/coming in close games.

It’s another thing, and a HUGE problem, if he’s the use-sparingly mop up man. He should be starting in Sacto if that’s the case. You don’t call up good prospects and use them to mop up.

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by Blicks on May 27, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot too.

I guess the A’s want him to back up Anderson on Saturday, since Anderson’s gonna be on a strict pitch count. He’ll probably be sent down after that start.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

So stupid and pointless having him on the roster.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but could you be more specific?

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by Nico on May 27, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a joke

“So stupid and pointless having him on the roster” could refer to Ross, or Patterson, or Fox…

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by Nico on May 27, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, yeah I figured.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

on the road...

7 wins on the road now..BOOM!!

HUGE hit for Kouz..

by chris_arf on May 27, 2010 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

this road trip could double their road wins

started with only 5, so a road split would bring it to 10 wins.

by MobiusKlein on May 27, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

I packed up all the stuff from my dorm today, drove to my parents’ house and watched the game. After the Orioles took the lead I decided I should unpack my car in my fury. After all that I turned on the computer and saw the result.

I will gladly take responsibility for this win today.

On a serious note, this win was much needed. The team has had its road woes this season, obviously, and losing 2 out of 3 to Baltimore would not have been good for the psyche of the team. But now, coming off not only a series victory but also an improbable comeback win there should be some confidence in the clubhouse going into two tough series.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on May 27, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

confidence

sweeping the giants at home in front of the biggest crowds all year

taking 2 out of 3 on the road even though it was against the O’s…the last game a huge comeback

Brett Anderson coming back probably on Sat.

confidence has to be very high

by chris_arf on May 27, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Commentator on Suns-Lakers game:

" These guys are not friends, even though they are both from Slovenia."

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by Eddie Cheddar on May 27, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe that was Doug Collins.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, he's all cocky now that he got another coaching gig.

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by Eddie Cheddar on May 27, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't figure out WHY he'd want another coaching job

Especially the Philly job

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by thejd44 on May 27, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the 76ers have a bright future if they can pair Jrue Holiday with Derrick Favors. Both will be great defenders with a ton of potential.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

ding dang…if only they could score 4 runs every night

by chris_arf on May 27, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

ridiculous.

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by pam5981 on May 27, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, since the team is 25-23

that means they must be 4-22 when they score 3 or fewer.

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by iglew on May 27, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is actually a little weird, given how well they've pitched at times

They’re perfectly capable of winning games in which they score 3 runs, but it looks to me like they’re 1-9 in games in which they score 3 runs. They’re 8-0 when they score 4 runs.

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by Nick on May 28, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their getting more and more comfortable with Rosales in the outfield, so maybe not.

But Crisp will probably be back for like july 15-16th, then back to the D.L. for laughing to hard.

by Athletix Man on May 27, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rosales

Guy is the MVP of this team right now (not including pitching). He’s been able to give nights off to Kouz and Pennington, and take over for Ellis like it was nothing. Then he can play LF better than Fox or Patterson. Stud.

by Colorado Fan on May 28, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

What an afternoon this was

I left to get a burrito and they were out of shrimp, so I hopped on BART and headed to Berkeley for a slice of Arinell pizza on Shattuck, headphones + KTRB in tow. At least today the friendly BART patrons were spared my usual, energetic (and basically correctly-played, given that I am doubling a drum-humunculus like Phil C.) air drumming to Genesis tunes like “Get ’Em Out By Friday” and “The Fountain of Salmacis” for a day LOLOLOL

I got up to the pizza store and got my mushroom-anchovy-olive slice (the usual… I am such a habitual person, aren’t I? aka b-o-r-i-n-g) just in time to hear the bad hops and drinbblers got Gio down 3-2. Then I ate and walked through campus whilst Geren pulled GG (ridiculous, given the idea that Tyson Ross has looked like crap lately and Gio — who had just K’d Corey Patterson and still looked like he had petrol in the tank — is supposed to be learning to take the game like it belongs to him) and things got awful in a hurry as we know.

By the time I got to Amoeba Berkeley we were down 5-2 and I was so angry I was about ready to smash my face into the pillars by the International Rock section. Steam emitting from my ears, I picked up a used copy of the new Now Again compilation called California Funk, featuring all sorts of obscure funk nuggets from all sorts of one-off Cali bands from 1968-77. One of my friends who works there tried to talk to me and I was so mad I just kind of brushed him off, whatta d-bag I am sometimes.

Anyway I walked back on Haste to Shattuck as the 8th began & things got going… I sat down on a bus stop bench on Shattuck as the 2nd out was made. It must’ve been the lucky bench because a few minutes later this game had been miraculously delivered from the (utterly dispiriting) “L” column to the (exultant) “W” one, thanks to some breaks and the Kouz stroke to clear the bases.

So much about what happened today felt like a regression-to-the-mean on the road that we have been waiting for… as I just said to CT, an 18-9 home team is NOT as bad as these guys have played on the road: it’s the same dudes with the bats and the gloves so it can’t be as bad as it’s been and eventually some of these heartbreaking disasters we have seen away from the Coliseum will start to drop our way, it’s only statistically right for god’s sakes.

Of course, there were things that remain utterly maddening about this game (Jack Cust: 3 ABs, 4 pitches seen? What have you done with Jack, Jim Skaalen?), but you could say that about any game with this team, built as it is to barely win games by the hair on the skin of its teeth. Now these guys have to roll into Detroit and take this sh*t even MORE seriously because another lousy and inept road trip is NOT gonna get it, especially against tough clubs like the (get ready to drink, AN!) MOTOR CITY KITTIES and the BloSox, who are heating up just in time, lucky us O_0

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Heard your CT call.

good job!

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am trying to learn the sports radio paradigm

In preparation for — if it all breaks like I think it could — integrating into KTRB in a more official capacity and with the goal of giving all of you here a forum on radio to take our community to the next level, which I think is coming in terms of the way digimedia is growing up and beginning to assert itself as one of the most vital and in-touch ways fans get their info about their teams.

Thanks for your words, Mike, they are very much appreciated and I want all of you to know that I am trying to do what I am trying to do, a little bit at a time each day, for each and every one of you here because I love you guys and I want you to have a voice worthy of who you all are to me.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude seriously

that’s freaking cool. Like way cool.

I just wanna hang out in the studio once or twice when you make it big, k?

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely Mike

I actually feel I have done amazing and innovative things already in the radio world, just not with sports stuff, at which I am still WAY behind the learning curve even in relation to folks on here like Paul Thomas and DFA and Danny who have such a fluid command of the statistical realities.

We will have our days in the sun, I promise you.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a happy medium, though.

The statistical stuff is cool, but it’s not necessary to have an in depth knowledge of it in order to talk about it.

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

The A’s are so stat-involved that you almost have to have some grasp of that stuff to follow along and know why Beane is targeting the guys he brings in to play for us.

My strength is obviously personality so I feel I need to get up to snuff on the preparatory stuff, which isn’t a strength for me, in order to come to it with something resembling the kind of professional cred the KTRB people will undoubtedly want to know I can function with to be at all listenable on sports radio for more than 15 minutes at a time like I’m doing now with CT.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh.

Isn’t that why so many radio guys have producers or other contributors?

I mean, for instance… let’s just look at KNBR for instance. Yes I know it’s not KTRB and it’s not the A’s affiliate, but it’s local and it’s what we’ve got, so if you look at their shows you find basically zero stat knowledge.

None of those guys (well, except maybe Marty Lurie) do it on their own.

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's also not exactly the easiest thing for most sports talk radio listeners to get behind

That’s not to say it can’t be changed over time, but usually things like that take sitting down and studying them further to be truly understood better, and someone who’s just listening to a postgame talk show is probably not too likely to do that.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

like Mikey said it's a precarious balance

a happy medium and a way to present the A’s paradigm, stat-driven as it is, in an entertaining and heretofore unprecedented fashion is what may be needed.

I just want to get after the preparatory aspect of it and learn to have an arsenal of response to whatever might come my way were I to do a radio program around the Athletics someday is all.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

the problem, I think, is having to cater to the lowest common denominator

it would be pretty simple to explain, for instance, wOBA or WAR a few times and then just kinda talk about that on occasion… but that’s kind of an offseason sorta of subject anyway.

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

CT has told me personally that he is DEAD SERIOUS about developing a paradigm of year-round, 365/24/7 content around the A’s, who we’d all agree are kind of given to that concept because of the presence of Beane and the offseason often being more active than the season sometimes is LOLOL

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well hell, if we're going 24/7/365

There’s PLENTY of time for the PT/DFA stat corner.

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

As much as those guys don’t really like me and think I am a doofus at doing this stuff (hint: I am a doofus at this stuff), they (PT/DFA) would be a big part of me covering that angle of it with depth because those guys have the juice for it, no doubt.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see there being enough material for round the clock coverage.

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by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

And really, the station doesn't have to be All A's All the Time.

A couple shows for general sports is good too. We’ve got other local sports teams, both pro and collegiate and whatever else is of interest going on in sports or sports-related topics.

And on the silly side, what if someone created a serial radio show with some grounding in sports? That would be awesome! How about a baseball team made up of squirrels who get paid to perform espionage and contract hits?

by LoneStranger on May 28, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're hiring me too, right?

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Just look at how reactionary most of the callers on these things end up being.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though, another thought

I consider a radio show like that one of those things that’s kind of like watching a sport on TV or the radio. For someone, it’s probably their first time watching or listening to a game so there are going to be times where simple things the majority of the fans out there understand might need a basic explanation.

For people who are used to talking about something or who know strategy and the rest, it can be annoying. For someone else, it can be very useful.

Hmmm.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's such a HUGE kettle of fish

Keep talking to me guys, every day I need your input on this stuff as I get my head ’round what it will take to be a leader in this evolution or at least to adequately ride whatever wave is beginning to break here.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are paradigms

Angie Coiro had a program on Green 960 for a while, a leftist show in which I had to good fortune to sub for her a couple of times…her paradigm was that the producers cut off folks calling in to argue certain points that liberals take for granted, because otherwise she would have wound up arguing the same points over and over again.

I think in terms of those who are stat-conscious, you can weed those kind of calls out before they actually hit the airwaves - assuming there’s a producer out there who can do that (Angie had one, who also was sitting in front of a laptop garnering material and whispering in her ear).

When I work at KPFA, I’m recording in advance and have my notes. When I did “Live from the Left Coast,” I had a producer in my ear, a second person in the studio, plus my laptop in front of me for easy access to material.

I think if you’re working with stats, you need that laptop in front of you.

by richwol1 on May 28, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like recording in advance in my own home studio

That’s how I used to do my show in the late 90’s on public radio.

Except that my show got cancelled for savagely parodying the pledge drive.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pledge Drives

Totally horrible. You sit there and see if the lights come on, indicating people are calling in. And you have no idea what you say that triggers those lights, and you feel bad if the lights go on and you feel awful if they don’t. It’s this cosmic validation thing that has nothing to do with anything you consciously do or don’t do.

by richwol1 on May 28, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I realize I can't stand against the tide of progess,

but I have to say: the idea of the AN community being brought into the radio world does not fill me with joy.

If it is truly integrated and not just an optional feature, that will be when I part ways with this community.

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by iglew on May 27, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

well then have fun back in the 20th Century

Because in the next 3-5 years these blogs will begin to have reporters traveling with the clubs just like the newspapers do, and a presence in other media forms like radio & TV for digital media is inevitable, it seems.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect that blogs of all types will continue to grow in influence

But I doubt that they will be able to support field reporters, traveling beat writers, and such, at least in the foreseeable future. Conventional newspapers and TV news outlets, despite their revenue streams and infrastructure, are increasingly unable to do it. Perhaps, though, blogging can give rise to a new sort of model — e.g., a sports blog might divvy up the beat writing, so that there is a fan/writer in each city or region who is assigned to handle the recaps whenever the team comes to town.

by Ray of Lite on May 27, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The possibilities really are endless

There are already cases where teams, at least in the NBA, are giving bloggers and fansites access to things they wouldn’t normally get to be around, whether it’s postgame press conferences, media days or player/coach interviews. If that’s already the case now, chances are it will only expand to other things sooner rather than later.

When it comes to traveling writers, I don’t know about that. Additional ways of reporting, though? I think we’ll see that happen. At the core of this could be some sort of monetary compensation. I’m sure that can’t be forgotten.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that the possibilities are endless -- even if they're hazy at the moment

I’ve heard many people bemoan the death of newspapers and the rise of blogs, as I’m sure you have too. But there are few MSM sources that offer as much as the best blogs do — in terms of passion, insight, opportunities for anyone to get involved, etc. — so I’m excited to see what how journalism evolved in the coming decades.

by Ray of Lite on May 27, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course

what I’m saying is a whole new way of sports reportage is developing… as the super photographer Flash is he is intimately familiar with this process as it begins to unfold here. I just want us to be aware of the wave and to be able to surf it to whatever the shore will be so AN is at the forefront of creating and participating in whatever the new paradigm will become.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

keep doing waht you are doing, cuz you do it damn well

I am a firm believer that your day will come =)

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it will too

It’s a slow process but I’m working toward that eventual goal. I enjoy covering the Minors, but I definitely want to work games in the Majors as well.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, totally

And the wondrous and awesome (in the true sense of the word) thing is, we don’t have to watch it happen around us, but we can take part in making it happen. And that’s why I too congratulate you for getting involved with CT’s show and seeing what develops.
Like I e-mailed CT, synergy is a cheesy word, but that’s what it feels like is happening.

by Ray of Lite on May 27, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

touchdown, Ray of Lite

Total agreement… there’s a new paradigm taking shape ’round all of this as the newspapers, top heavy with outmoded infrastructure and seeing their hierarchical ways taking them down as we see, exert less influence a vacuum is being created that I believe the digimedia will come to fill in some way or ways.

None of it is clear yet as its a nascent energy that is developing, but what I am saying is that the thing is eveolving into something totally new and if we position ourselves in a good way we can be primed to participate in whatever the scene develops into, given the myriad forces at work in it as it changes.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I mention that I find it amusing

That this conversation includes phrases like

well then have fun back in the 20th Century
and
I realize I can’t stand against the tide of progess
when the discussion is talking about a move from the internet to radio?

That is all, carry on.

by rrryanc on May 28, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, I found that ironic.

Radio is supposed to have been morphing into something more on-demand and podcast-like. The problem with that is the caller interaction, so traditional radio will likely stay in some capacity.

by LoneStranger on May 28, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember noticing the irony when

EN tagged me in the 20th century for wanting to stick with a blog, even though blogs barely existed before 2002.

For me, it’s not a matter of future vs past, it’s just different modes of communication. In the 1980s, I loved postal communities and disliked telephone communities. That’s just my personal style.

I also really liked Usenet groups, and was sad to seem them wither and die in the early aughts. I put up my first website in 1998. But I dislike most of the social networking media like Facebook, etc.

I know that here on AN I’m sometimes pictured as an old-fashioned Luddite because I hate cell phones and other gadgetry. I’ve embraced the caricature because it’s fun, but it’s not really accurate. I like some things and dislike others. There are some technological things where I’ve been ahead of the curve, others where I’ve been behind.

I like radio for listening to Ken Korach report the A’s games. As an interactive medium for a community, not so much.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way out west.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm free all summer.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

what do you mean?

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upon reflection

Perhaps ‘glew means that if the A’s or KTRB were to absorb AN than AN wouldn’t really be AN anymore, and would begin to manifest an attitudinal shift that might end up undermining the community aspect we all enjoy here so much as it branches out and has the forces other than our own exerted upon it.

I don’t agree… I feel AN will always be AN and there’s nothing behind getting it out into the broader media world beyond blogging that indicates it would be subverted in this way. Really, it’s down to the natural evolution of these things, whether we like them or not this is the way conditions are developing and will continue to develop.

We can stand off to the side and be purists and watch the wave break without us, or we can be the leaders that we so manifestly are on this site and take the bull by the horns to the extent that circumstances allow, so we will not be left behind in the new possibilities these opportunities can come to afford us.

And that’s why I am after the radio and trying to do what I am doing… because if no one takes the lead in a substantive, win-win, pro-active way, then we will be left behind in this inevitable transition and I think we owe it to ourselves to lead by example because of who we are and exactly how special this site has been, is, and is becoming.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the A's or KTRB absorbing AN in a sense that they alter the freedom...

…of what people can say here, basically. I don’t know if that’s what Iglew’s getting at or not, though.

What I do like about it is a way that there can be some more direct involvement with a media-driven side of this that might help some things (or people) here get more of a voice out to people who aren’t into the whole online forum thing.

Right now it’s kind of in a “Wow, this is cool and fun” stage that CT is so down with the idea of this place, at least based on what he seems to know so far, but as much as I like him trying to push for a year-round venue to discuss the A’s over the airwaves, I think right now he’s just happy to have a solid backing and some good calls from people here. That’s the first step.

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by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES

Flash is so sensible, his insights are indispensible as usual.

Baby steps first, one day at a time with ears to the breeze and the desire to create win-win situations for all involved, from us here to the ballteam to KTRB to Chris and his career, is all we need to do.

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, this.
What I do like about it is a way that there can be some more direct involvement with a media-driven side of this that might help some things (or people) here get more of a voice out to people who aren’t into the whole online forum thing.

That’s the part I don’t like. I am into the whole online forum thing, and I’m not into the whole direct involvement with a media-driven side thing.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Y'alls getting carried away here!

The only impact I can see from this purely hypothetical future scenario is that maybe KTRB has a show hosted by AN personalities, maybe AN writers get more access to interview opportunities and the like, and through the free publicity perhaps AN picks up readers it may not have reached. That’s it — no change to AN itself…

…All of which is utterly hypothetical, since neither Blez nor I have ever had a single conversation with anyone about anything!

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by Nico on May 28, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they would only even have to talk to you or Blez

if they wanted to use the “Athletics Nation” trademark.

If the show were called “Athletics Country,” on the other hand…

Quality Jones is my kind of hero.

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Athletics Commonwealth?

Athletics Domain?
Athletics Land?
Athletics Republic?

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Athletics Eminent Domain

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by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Athletic Squirrels

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

and the logo can be a big green & gold jockstrap

but instead of a cup in the front pocket, it’ll be a picture of a happy little cartoon squirrel popping up out of the front and waving.

Quality Jones is my kind of hero.

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perfect!

Run with it!

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by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I can, too.

because now my junk’s not jiggling around.

However, I do have squirrel claws embedded in my skin, and that one’s gonna hurt come sundown.

Quality Jones is my kind of hero.

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Democratic People's Republic of Athletics

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, of course, we're getting carried away.

This discussion is about vague plans for the future, and it’s the nature of such things to be speculative. But I think you’re mistaken if that’s really the only impact you see.

I know that Athletics Nation proper is so far completely uninvolved, but that’s not really the issue. The issue is where the community goes. The core of the AN community is several dozen hard-core fans who not only love the A’s but have gotten to know each other and created a virtual community here. They can have that same community elsewhere, whether it’s on Chris Townsend’s show, at tailgate events, or newer and larger places still to come.

EN is talking about creating another place where the community can gather and interact. If it is successful, many will prefer it and will spend most or all of their time there instead. Others will prefer the blog and stay here. But the nature of the community here will evolve regardless of how directly Blez’s business is associated with it.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know in my case I'll only be a fringe participant in anything related to the radio show

Part of that is because I don’t get the station here unless I listen online, and I’m often doing other things instead of waiting to see what’s going to be discussed or who’s going to call in over the course of an hour or two. Once in a while I’ll check it out if it sounds like there should be some interesting topics, or if it’s one of those days where they go out to the hotel near the airport or wherever, but that’s about as deep as I see myself getting into it. I’m not big on calling in.

I don’t think we’re going to see a number of people moving away from AN for the purpose of going on CT’s show or getting a segment there or something like that. I see it as mostly augmenting what they already say or do here.

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by Flashfire on May 28, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the right idea.

I wouldn’t phrase it as “AN wouldn’t be AN anymore”, though. No community is static, nor should any be. AN is always changing and it’s fine for it to evolve in a different direction. I would never fault it for that or say it’s wrong. If AN changes, it’s still AN. But maybe I won’t be AN anymore.

Your vision of tomorrow’s AN doesn’t sound like something I’d care to be a part of. I don’t know exactly what you plan to do, so maybe you’ll surprise me, but I don’t think so. I big part of why I like AN is the medium it’s in. I’ve been in many types of communities over the years, and I know how I like to relate to people. The whole idea of interactive radio talk is a turn-off to me. I like it when we’re typing words to each other, not speaking.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's possible for the community to support numerous branches

Lots of active ANers stay away from gamethreads. Others mostly gamethread, and occasionally go into the other posts. Others do all of it. Maybe radio could be a bit like that. I don’t listen to CT hardly at all, partly because I’m an NRAF who has enough trouble staying up for the end of West Coast night games, partly because I’m a parent who has enough trouble devoting a couple of hours just to watching/listening to the games themselves. So I know the conversation is developing in the CT threads, and to some extent on the radio itself, but that hasn’t yet made me feel like I’m no longer in on what AN is about.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

"SORRY, WE'RE CLOSED. CATCH US ON THE RADIO."

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by Nico on May 28, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

for 50 bucks.

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was 10.

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by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I give you a discount.

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody care about tradition.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmm

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 28, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

cares

[facepalm] It sounds like I’m asking people not to care about tradition.

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by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I ♥ subjunctive.

(You can’t tell, but that’s not a declarative ♥. I’m just contemplating the idea.)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know! right?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who, day and night, must scramble for a living,

Feed a wife and children, say his daily prayers?
And who has the right, as master of the house,
To have the final word at home?

The Papa, the Papa! Tradition.
The Papa, the Papa! Tradition.

by LoneStranger on May 28, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fiddler bleah

I’m old enough to have seen the original production in NY.. It sucked then, and it sucks now.

by richwol1 on May 28, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh. It's not for everyone.

I wanted to see the most recent tour when it was in SF, but apparently neither my mom nor my sister have figured out that I like musicals.

I might have to try to get a ticket for when it swings back to SJ later this year.

by LoneStranger on May 28, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw it in SF

Didn’t care for Harvey Feurstein’s take on Tevye. Overall it was enjoyable.

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by Berry Jo on May 28, 2010 12:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That original production seemed to run forever.

Didn’t it last well into the 1970s?

So many fun names went through the cast. Bette Midler, Leonard Nimoy, Bea Arthur. The original little girl was Pia Zadora, about the same time as she played girl Martian.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw it with Luther Adler

…who replaced Zero Mostel for about two weeks before Herschel Bernardi came in. He was awful. But I found the play mawkish and sentimentail. I love musicals but this one leaves me cold (as did In The Heights, which I saw the other night).

by richwol1 on May 28, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are not the only one....

This is a great blog. I find it very informative and breaking news is always a few clicks away. There seems to be an issue with some individuals who take themselves and this public forum for Oakland Athletics baseball information WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. I could give a good rats ass about your minor annoyances with grammar issues. So fucking what. I do not give a holy fuck if you are an english teacher. This is not a classroom, this is a group of people who get together to talk about baseball. Very simple. For the stat people, I do not enjoy your elaborate methods and shenanigans but it is relevant!!!! I will never complain about stuff that is baseball related. It seems some of you want to be the next big baseball media star and AN is your path to destiny. Come down of your high horses and just appreciate people getting together to talk about our beloved ball club. If people spell stuff wrong or do not follow proper grammar who cares? They might be excited and rattling off a quick thought. Just because you don’t get it does not mean others won’t. I could give two shits if you like me or a fuck if you don’t think my posts are insightful. That about sums it up, i thought it was important to let the community know how I feel and others are feeling. I don’t speak for many but I am not the only one. Best wishes to all and enjoy the rest of the season!

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by LAS VEGAS A'S on May 28, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm generally with you on some of this but take issue with one line in particular

“It seems some of you want to be the next big baseball media star and AN is your path to destiny.”

I’ve seen no evidence of that whatsoever.

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by Flashfire on May 28, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you mean

“Come down [off] your high horses. . .” not “of”

by el generico on May 28, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The reason people comment on grammar, spelling, etc (and dare I say formatting?)

Is because having a dialogue that’s understandable to all parties is far more conducive to good conversation than one that’s full of misspellings and lolspeak.

I’m judging your comments based on their appearance, including spelling, grammar and content. That’s all I have to go upon, and if you don’t have the time or aren’t willing to put in the effort to write a clear comment, then I’ll be damned if I’m going to put in the effort to decode your ramblings. And since your comments are all I that I know about you, I’m by extension judging you by your comments.

by rrryanc on May 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly.

I find it really interesting that people care so little about spelling correctly when all we know about you is how you type out your ideas or opinions.

If you can’t be bothered to even try to spell correctly, why should we be bothered to try and understand what the hell you’re saying?

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

I mean, I do my fair share of mistakes, but it’s not for the lack of effort.

by elcroata on May 28, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny because

I can’t tell if he’s siding with me or not.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s yelling at you…but not. I love it.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The good Emperor isn't just some fan with a dream.

He’s got over two decades of radio experience on the east coast and he’s been out of the game for a bit. Now he wants back in, and he’s working hard to prepare to get the job done.

Quality Jones is my kind of hero.

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Emperor-

You rawk!

Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.

by brothersky on May 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

you rawk harder brothersky *hugs*

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip on California Funk

I am listening to “Curse Upon The World.” This is the sheeet. Damn I love new, rare, music.

And big thanks and heartfelt props for taking the lead with CT. It is badly needed. When a caller gives a shout out to Bleacher Report and CT doesn’t even know what that is – And it’s linked on the Comicle’s Sports Page fer cryinoutloud – it is time to take the word to the street.

Keep up the great work EN. Represent!

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by fridaynightfan on May 27, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you so much FNF

enjoy the dope tracks =)

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can point to Arinell's as the key to tonite's win

I could use a cheese slice dem boys still open?

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by incarnate on May 27, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

closed at 10

I listened to Dallas Braden’s first career start in Berkeley Arinell, and during the Perfect Game I thought of that day many, many times…. special memories for me =)

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by emperor nobody on May 27, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that Arinell still in that little storefront on the east side of Shattuck just south of University?

If so, that place has been there for more than 30 years.

Now something’s driving me crazy — what the hell was the name of that club on University right there at Shattuck? It must have closed in 81 or 82 or so…

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, I got it -- it was the Keystone!

Haven’t lost all my brain cells yet!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still miss the Airplane cockpit-esque

Movie theater that used to be right off of Euclid. Last tromp around berkeley I noticed a lot of the mom and pop places I remember as a student there in the 90’s have moved on.

by hishnik on May 28, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Northside, right in that little alleyway that leads back to LaVals and La Burrita -- that one?

Frankly, one of the things I miss most about having left the Bay Area is that layered, archeological experience of walking around an area that I grew up in. Just on that one block of Euclid to me I can imagine, below the stores there now, Rather Ripped Records on the corner, and the Northside Theater, and Northside Books, and Giant Hamburgers, and I can still picture how Campus looked when there was still a parking lot where there’s a little grassy plaza outside the geology building, and the T buildings and the huge eucalyptus outside Moffitt.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep that's the one

Good description of what North Berkeley used to be like. It hasn’t drastically changed, but additions like Soda Hall sorta muck up the cosmopolitan elegance of North Berkeley (imo). I lived in Berkeley for close to 10 years and actually really miss it.

by hishnik on May 28, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disappointed that I gave up after the O's took the 4-2 lead

though this was primarily due to a) being in class, b) MLBTV crashing again a minute later (in which it goes on, at least at school, these 5-10 minute pauses before working again) and c) it was close to time for class to end, so just didn’t bother turning on for the 9th after getting home.

by Zonis on May 27, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Did somebody say "game over" and so you went about your life?

It never over till it over is!

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by Nico on May 27, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost turned it off...

…when Ross walked the bases loaded, but I’m glad I didn’t! Yes, it’s agains the Orioles, but having some timely hitting was nice!

And, Dear Rajai, please stop popping out. Thank you.

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by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

?????????? Rajai only popped out once

and had three good at bats just hit a couple shots at tejada

by Belinelli's the savior on May 27, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not just tonight.

It seems to happen when we need a hit.

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Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."

by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

barton's sac bunts

Did I hear correctly on the radio broadcast that barton’s sac bunts are his call, not geren’s. Ken and vince were repeating what geren said on his pregame show. Wowzers!!

by stm72 on May 27, 2010 9:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Oh man. Do we have to hate Daric Barton now?

DALLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

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by pam5981 on May 27, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only there was a person

whose job it was to control whether the batter hits like normal or bunts.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on May 27, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

not his call, my ass

as they say, “The Cossacks work for the Csar”
If Geren has a problem with it, which he should, then Geren can stop it.

by MobiusKlein on May 27, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

its geren's

job to say cut it out dale

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by Future Ed on May 27, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What he said on the manager's show was actually kind of weird

That with a runner at 2nd and nobody out, he just wanted Barton to get the runner over but Barton could try to pull a pitch or he could try to hit a double, or if the pitch was away he could bunt the ball if he wanted — as if you could say “Oh I was going to try to pull the ball but that pitch is away so I’ll just square to bunt.” You kind of have to make that decision before the pitch is 2/3 of the way to the plate.

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by Nico on May 27, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is another case

of not believing the things that people say with their mouths. That is bull ony.

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by Future Ed on May 27, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe that the A's have a

“get him over however you want/can” sign. I just don’t believe a hitter makes the bunt/swing decision after seeing the pitch’s location.

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by Nico on May 27, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

geren says get him over. That is not Barton coming up with it on his own. Its just dumb.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on May 27, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, according to Geren when a batter gets that sign

one of his options is to try to get a hit — which does get the runner over. Another is to pull the ball (if you’re LH) and another is to bunt.

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by Nico on May 28, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can he give Fox the "stop sucking, I don't care how" sign?

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by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the options for that include

“hack at everything” and “try to hit a grounder to SS — maybe it’ll take a weird hop.”

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by Nico on May 28, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

How bad has Fox been?

Eric Chavez: .234/.276/.333
Jake Fox: .203/.256/.304

He’s worse than a 31-year-old Eric Chavez with a couple of fused lumbar vertebrae, 2 bulging discs in his neck, and 2 bad shoulders. Oh, and who has barely played for 3 years.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't say I didn't warn you about Fox....

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by lenscrafters on May 28, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even though it's a dirty word and I don't like this reasoning

The only reason he is here is because he can catch AND play outfield (poorly) and be our RH DH. Personally, I’d rather have Landon here, who is both more experienced behind the plate and swings the bat better.

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by cuppingmaster on May 28, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And sexier.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

no

its a policy of geren that says “get him over” that is the problem. Barton should be told to stop bunting. That is geren’s job to tell the best hitter on the team to stop intentionally making outs or “giving himself up”

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on May 28, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geren's a traditional baseball guy. He probably approves of Barton bunting.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

What surprises me, given the proclivity towards bunting,

is that they’re doing it with Barton and not Sweeney. It makes more sense to bunt with Sweeney with 2 on, nobody out, given that he’s just slapping singles and has a lower OBP than Barton, than it does to bunt with Barton when there’s a man at 1B and nobody out — which is not a great bunting time anyway.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 27, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geren loves Sweeney.

Geren thinks of him as the run producer guy, and he probably thinks he’s a better a hitter than Barton (batting average ZOMG). That’s why he’s hitting third and even against lefties, he’s hitting no lower than 5th.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

good usage

of proclivity

"The Few, The Proud, The A's Fan" - UncleLeo

by incarnate on May 27, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Sweens sucks at bunting

Dale at least is real good at it…its just a damn shame he’s also real good at drawing walks which accomplish the same thing without losing an out.

But Geren keeps putting the double play/groundout machines Zooks&Kooz after Dale, when it should be Cust and his .400 OBP, so thats really fucking our offense up royally.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 28, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

When I heard Geren say that to KK, I immediately thought of the part in Moneyball when the Manager (howe?) informed the player who bunted on his own that he would have to inform BB of his decision.

by hishnik on May 28, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...Does Cindi write for RotoWorld now?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 27, 2010 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, they could do worse.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet another game where the doubt crept in and made me almost give up.

I have to keep remembering what Nico said ^^^^^^^ It ain’t over until the last out is recorded…..Being a fAN means NEVER giving up on your team even when it looks soooooo bleak…..Sometimes we will not prevail. But there will be great nights like tonight when we have a win that gives us the series!!! One game at a time – one series at a time…..Let’s go A’s!!!

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by Berry Jo on May 27, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

^THIS^

Spot on, Jo!!!

hug

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by emperor nobody on May 28, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I giggled

"Sorry guys, I’m not going to try and hit (Douglas) Murray anymore. It doesn’t work." - Steve Ott, Dallas Stars.

by SwisherThresher on May 27, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

unrelated, but I'm posting it anyway.

Uni Watch has an article on monochrome uniforms in baseball, featuring this photo:

That is several kinds of awesome. Don’t worry, I’m not advocating for all-green-all-the-time (yet), but we definitely need a monochrome throwback day.

by whiteshoes40 on May 27, 2010 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't understand, shoes.

Isn’t that two colors?

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by Leopold Bloom on May 27, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but:
When we discuss baseball uniform history, occasionally the subject comes around to "monochrome" which, for lack of a better term, is a non-white or gray-based uniform, in which teams of the past have worn a matching top and bottom.

linky

by whiteshoes40 on May 27, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh. Well, that kind of makes sense.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 27, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is so awesome

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 27, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a throwback day...

I can live with it.

But I wouldn’t want to see too much of that uniform.

by bear88 on May 27, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see more of this one:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 27, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally

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by mikev on May 27, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love those,

although it bothers me that the green of the socks isn’t the same as the green of the cap and sleeves. But now I’m just nitpicking.

by whiteshoes40 on May 27, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but.

They’re still lovely.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with both of you.

My life is dedicated to the premise that nitpicking and appreciation of loveliness are not mutually exclusive.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

See that's not too shabby.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that's the one that goes along with the Skittles helmets

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I LOVE THEM

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOVE the skittles helmets.

Best throwback uniform ever.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I personally am torn between the Skittles unis and the Oakland Oaks throwbacks

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Green and gold wins out for me.

Handily.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best. ever.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's just something awesome about that pose

It looks like he’s dancing a jig while finishing a punch.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on May 27, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looks like a leprechaun

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats so rad

what a great albeit grossly technicolor uni! love it…

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 28, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

PJs!

No.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking through a basball card book last night, and stumbled upon this:

Strangely enough, it’s the same pitcher (Ken Holtzman) in both pictures. Stranger, there’s fans in the stands in the second one.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 28, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's Reggie playing CF, unless the angle of the shot is really weird

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm all for the timely hit

but let’s boil this game down. The A’s were lucky today. The team should have lost, but had the good fortune of a bad hop and an inept opposing team.

by bear88 on May 27, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the other team lost tonight.

But….a win is a win is a win.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 27, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Btw, Nelson Cruz of the Rangers is injured again..

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on May 27, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

shhhhh

the A’s might trade for him if they hear about the injury.

Your first place Oakland A's. Well, we were a while ago. And maybe we will be again. Especially if Texas, Seattle and slegnA stink. And someone on the A's gets a hit.

by eastcoasta'sfan on May 28, 2010 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I came on this morning

to post a picture from last night’s game, and there is still not one available; the most recent being from the previous night’s game. Seems like no one though this one would be played.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 28, 2010 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Dale???

Why is everyone calling Daric Barton Dale?

by Swell Rox on May 28, 2010 7:10 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

When the A's started the season a couple years ago playing the Red Sox in Japan, Gary Thorne was doing the games for ESPN

and he kept referring to Barton as “Dale Barton”, which we all took as a measure of the media’s utter disrespect for the A’s. The nickname has stuck.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 28, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

we can just pretend he did.

Let’s just vow from this point forward we make it McCarver that did it and eventually that will become the truth.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes. yes, we do.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude... that happened with my poker night...

One time, back in 2006, one of the guys was down to one chip (but not the lowest valuation chip) and a chair, and he came back to take third in the tourney.

Of course, I’m the only one that remembers it the right way. Everyone else talks like he was down to the lowest valuation chip and came back to win the whole tourney, which was not the case at all.

Still, the popular version makes for a better story than the truth, so I stopped piping up to “fix” the story. Fuck it, y’know.

Quality Jones is my kind of hero.

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 28, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

and this is why sirbed's life is meaningless.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 28, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

why did tim mccarver make life meaningless

i hate him

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on May 28, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

go fix something again

Or, my kitchen floor could use some buffing

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by cuppingmaster on May 28, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's master, to you

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

Athletics Nation - WE'RE ALL GONNA MRIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!! - danmerqury

by cuppingmaster on May 28, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorcerer.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Thorne the one who kept calling Hannahan

“Hanrahan”, too?

No matter. I still love Gary Thorne. He is one of my two favorite broadcasters (along with KenKo) and no one else is close.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i believe it was the same series.

My mother put superfluous ’r’s" in words, like Warshington, etc.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on May 28, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Warshington" is a very different story.

There’s a regional dialect that always says “warsh”. I think it’s central Pennsylvania, but I wouldn’t swear to that.

“Hanrahan” is because somewhere in the league there’s a mediocre pitcher named Joel Hanrahan. Thorne got the named mixed up.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell do you do?

You know far too much about languages and dialects for it to be a hobby.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

My current day job is tax accounting.

I used to be an opera singer, which I guess has some connection to languages and dialects. American regional accents has been an interest of mine for maybe about 10 years now.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wow.

I always find it really interesting when you discuss languages and dialects. I figured you to be somewhat of an expert.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just so you know.

You’re singing at AN day now.

NO saying no.

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by mikev on May 28, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, all right, but you won't be able to hear me from down there.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

for the record...

my prediction on Gio’s night was pretty accurate. Great game A’s keep it up lets not get back to .500 again.

by gatorempire127 on May 28, 2010 7:45 AM PDT reply actions  

At 6:11pm, a little bird tweeted in my ear....

The A’s were down 4-2. ANers were disgusted and one by one they were quitting and going on to other things. Gio had started well, but the outlook was not good. There was only duo who could save this game.

The Girls.

I rushed home from the supermarket to put the plan into motion, and found the A’s down three runs in the bottom of the 7th. I quickly called up the images… Which one do I pick? Tattoos? Gothy? Legs? Yes! Legs! Cut & paste the URL, and Post. 6:14pm, top of the 8th.

Some hits and two more RGG pictures later, They score 5 runs. BAM BAM BAM BAM KOUZMABAM. Coincidence? I think not! Hurray for Rally Gilmore Girls!

by LoneStranger on May 28, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

The Girls were never

my favorites in terms of eye candy, but you can’t argue with their rally record. Ever since that monsters rally in Minnesota, Gio + Girls has been the winning combination.

Someone is keeping stats on the rally pics, right?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah.

Uni stats first. Someone else can do rally pic stats.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on May 28, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be madness.

He steps to the left, he steps to the riiiiiiight. That Amos Roberts, he'll make you look shite!

by OldhamA on May 28, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

who are the official rally girls

and who are those that we post only because they’re hot? For example, I posted a pic of Aida Mollenkamp the other night and no one had posted her before. Does she count?

"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey

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by cuppingmaster on May 28, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's any official and unofficial.

But some definitely have more tradition behind them than others — Salma, Helen. When introducing someone new I try to stick with ones that are thematically consistent with the game thread rather just my personal favorites. Pics that have a poor track record tend to get dumped. Those that do well get tried again. The Gilmore Girls are the only ones I know that are associated with a specific pitcher.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 28, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Confession of an Eastern Time Zone A's fan

Well I did something last night that I’ve never done before. I watched the A’s on game day until I left work at about 920 ET. On may way home I picked up a couple of cold ones at the quickie and got home a little before 10, totally disgusted with our 2 hit effort.
My wife had the Braves game on and she told me that the A’s had lost. I went to bed mad and woke up disgusted. Well guess what? I was disgusted with my self when I checked the score this AM on MLB.com. I have mlb extra innings pay per view on my cable and didn’t even check the ending before I went to bed either. As a penalty for these actions I am going to suspend myself from AN until the first pitch tonight.
“Let’s go Oakland”

by skeeter1 on May 28, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Good story

Now let’s shock the kitties & try to win a series in motown

by StrangeDaze on May 28, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

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