Hanley Ramirez

He’d cost way too much to bring in and he’s already apologized to his teammates. They’re not trading him over this.

He’s much better than Haren was at the time of that trade, and is under contract for longer, too. It would take something like Carter + Taylor + Anderson + Mazzaro/Gio, and that may not even be enough.

Look at what ONE season of Matt Holliday, or 1.5 seasons of Mark Teixeira, or 2 seasons of Miguel Cabrera, got their teams.

All of these guys are inferior, and all of these guys had less team control remaining (prior to signing extensions, but the extensions came well after the trades).

Now note: Hanley has a really good contract, and is controlled for 4 years. And he plays SS- a very premium position.

“Haren like talent” for someone, for all that I’m giving up for this “one time move” I want them to have Haren’s character, not Hanley’s.

Reasons I wouldn’t trade for Hanley:

    * It could cost an arm and a leg

This alone answers your question. Beane has said in the past and continues to maintain that he is never is a win-now or rebuilding mode. This move would absolutely indicate a win-now mentality which would cripple any sort of rebulding path…

The Marlins have said, and repeated today, that Hanley is the centerpiece for when they move into their new stadium.

I am thinking something along the lines of;

Trevor Cahill, Vin Mazzaro, Michael Taylor, Henry Rodriguez, Jemile Weeks and Cliff Pennington

Weeks & Cahill get it done? LAD front office hates Manny and would probably take less than that actually.

I understand this is your first post on AN, so here are some tips to help with the next go around.

1) Bookmark this sight: Cot’s Baseball Contracts. You can’t expect to be taken seriously on a topic like this unless you know the basic, easy-to-research facts like how many years he has left on his contract and for how much money.

2) Take a position! I have no idea if you are for or against the idea of pursuing Hanley Ramirez. I understand that the cost to acquire would be extreme and that you’d be against the deal if players X, Y and/or Z are involved. In that scenario you should stake your claim that the A’s should go after Ramirez as long as Brett Anderson (for example) wasn’t part of the package. That gives your readers something to work with.

3) You really need to have a better grasp of what it would cost to actually trade for Ramirez. When in doubt, ask. I particular… ask Florida fans! They’ve got a site on SB Nation as well.

3b) Sometimes, fans of the “other” team in your trade scenario ain’t going to be happy with your questions about the price of their superstar. In that case, take the time to research the strength and weaknesses of the other organization. You said it yourself, a trade wasn’t going to happen in May; therefore you had enough time to do the extra footwork without worry of being scooped.

4) Never view your trade suggestions through green-and-gold glasses. In this case, pull out the teal shades. Put yourself in the position of the Florida Marlins and decide on whom you’d insist on in return from the A’s. If you’ve done your due diligence and researched Florida’s system then you should be able to come up with a realistic package… at least from the Marlins’ perspective.

It can take a lot of work to ask the question correctly but it is usually worth it to put in the effort.

Which isn’t to say it can’t be discussed hypothetically – the team ain’t great and you have to talk about something – but I just can’t put together anything realistic in my head.

They have no reason to trade them, and no other team, including the A’s, has a particular reason to make them an offer they can’t refuse.

Is there a limit to how much in “cash considerations” a player can be traded for? If not, and this figurative trade with the A’s or any other team were to go down, why wouldn’t the team who wants a Hanley-type player send a couple good prospects and an armored car? In the A’s case, since we wouldn’t want to trade Anderson, but we might send Mazz and Gio/Cahill and Pennington, why couldn’t we make up the rest of the “value” in cash?

Several years ago I used to constantly see a phenomena on Giants’ boards that I called the “Shiny Buttons Theory”. Giants fans would salivate over a particular stud player and then propose serious trade scenarios where they would send the team a bunch of shiny buttons… i.e.: players they had come to realize sucked but still had name recognition… as trade fodder to pry said stud from the other team. Problem was, they never factored in that the other team would know these players sucked as well.

OR

They would be so enamored with man-love over a particular stud player, that they’d be willing to grossly overpay and end up with a stud player surrounded by a supporting cast of scrubs.

Sometimes they’d do both at the same time.

Quit acting like Giants fans!!!

But it is very unlikey to go anywhere. Yes, the A’s have the minor leaguers and Gio to lure them in but – not going to happen. Hanley is routinely considered the second best player in the NL after Prince Albert.

Hello from sunny Malaysia BTW.