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Blalock, Dye, Burrell are not the answers for Oakland.

Many have suggested those players as being a "fit" for Oakland, given our struggling offense. Why on earth do people think that trading defense for offense is a good idea, given our entire gameplan this year was to go pitching and defense-heavy, is beyond me. But hopefully I can shed enough light here as to what is a good thing for this team to win games with and what is not.

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Ever looked at the Padres and Devil Rays lately? Its wild to think we are one marquee hitter (Gonzalez and Longoria respectively) away from perhaps joining them at the top of baseball's best record column. They have AWFUL offenses, and unfortunately for us, the Rays merely have good hitters who are slumping (Pena, Zobrist, Upton, Bartlett), and they also have Crawford, whos having a massive year (in a walk year, whata surprise, see also: Werth, Jayson). Anyway thats the same model we have and our offense is pretty much more like San Diego's minus Gonzalez. The problem in that people who want to "fix" the offense is that to do so, you need to bring in bad defenders, who oftentimes negate anything they do with the bat, with their poor glove (See Cust, Jack. 2009 ed.). Here is a list of DH only guys who are available and have been linked here:

Hank Blalock. 2007-2009

WAR: 1.8

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 7.8

Here is a completely miserable player, one who cannot hit nor field. From 07-09 (3 years) he was worth 1.8 Wins total. Over 3 seasons. Yeah. He was indeed a great player in 03+04 but as of now we are looking at the dregs of a career. He is officially finished as a defender, and his bat, well, it produced 7.8 park adjusted runs above average based on wOBA over the last 3 seasons. So, even as a DH, thats horrible. He's Tampa's problem now and Im glad and never want to see him on my team.

Jermaine Dye 2007-2009.

WAR: 0.6.

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 31.2.

Dye has a little more left in the tank as a hitter yes, but again he is absolutely woeful on defense, rendering him useless and a pro-DH. Why Tampa signed Blalock over him blows my mind. Blalock has shown nothing at all since 2005 and also is injury prone. Dye at DH at TB makes sense. Kinda.

Pat Burrell 2007-2009

WAR: 2.1

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 10.3

While most of Burrell's value comes from his final year in Phily, it must be noted that the Rays are indeed going with a lesser player in Blalock based off runs as a DH. Burrell, notorious butcher in the OF, is a DH, and he'd be a perfect DH on an NL team. They do not have DH jobs in the NL, therefore Burrell needs to leave for Japan to perhaps find his swing again. In no way would he help the Athletics.

Mike Jacobs 2007-2009

WAR: -0.6

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: -5.8

Mike Jacobs once somehow was a baseball player, one who somehow once hit 32 HR in a year and only ended up with 4.4 Runs. Talk about "empty" home runs! Dude is Dave Kingman in 2010, not a good time to be Dave Kingman. He needs a hot tub time machine back to 1978 to be seen as the "slugger" he is.

Jack Cust 2007-2009

WAR: 5.9

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 60.2

Really? Do i have to explain to you why he is the best? Numbers dont lie: Cust is clearly the best hitter out of the bunch, by a country mile. It absolutely disgusts me to have to listen to A's "fans" hate on him and say they would rather have a phony like Blalock over him. As a DH, Cust is invaluable. As a LF, his value becomes extremely diminished. He goes from a 2.5 WAR player to a 1.0 one. He's in LF today, but my god I hope we see him less there and more as our DH.

Here's some others I'd like to point out:

Elijah Dukes 2007-2009

WAR: 2.4

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 4.9

His time is limited but compared with Gross (3.9, -3.2) he is definitely a better hitter, improving the offense by trading him off for Dukes might help, but Gross's value remains on defense. Raj Davis (4.7, 5.3) probably is still ahead of Gross on the depth chart, and thanks to his year last year made him more valuable than Dukes. Dukes still has a world of talent though, dawg. Not a bad guy to stash at AAA, certainly better Jai Miller, thats for sure.

Carlos Delgado 2007-2009

WAR: 5.2

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 33.5

Here's a guy who I think is now hurt and out for the year/done, but I feel sorry for him. Injuries have gotten to him but man he can mash. I wouldnt be mad if we took a flyer on him as DH next year if we decide to go with an OF of Carter-Sweeney-Taylor.

Gary Sheffield 2007-2009

WAR: 3.4

Park Adjusted runs above avg based on wOBA: 26.0

Again, I think his age will scare away any possible employers, but he'd be a capable DH if needed.

Thats about it for free agents, but if we become buyers at the deadline, here's a list of players who could certainly help with the bat (even with the glove too). I'm not suggesting anything about these guys, other than they might be available at the deadline if their team is out of it (many already are):

Victor Martinez, Lance Berkman, Russell Branyan, Adam Dunn, Troy Glaus, Paul Konerko (1091 OPS, leads mlb in SLG), Derrek Lee, Carlos Pena, Ty Wigginton (1012 OPS right now), Carl Crawford, Jayson Werth, Manny Ramirez, Andruw Jones (965 OPS in limited time), Austin Kearns (astute pickup by the tribe, his 936 OPS is wasted though).

 

I was pretty surprised with how Cust dwarfed every other player mentioned as "fits" for Oakland, when HE WAS OURS THE WHOLE TIME. This move has killed me since opening day and its hands down the dumbest thing Beane has done. Patterson and Fox are about the same (maybe worse) defensively, and he obliterates everyone in terms of run value. Jack Cust is the man for the Oakland DH spot, now we just have to find a way to get Chavez to retire...

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I would absolutely, without a doubt, try to trade for Andruw Jones

The White Sox are finished, though I think they’ll wait 3-4 weeks to admit it. Jones has lost weight and cares about baseball again. More importantly, he’s cheap and not signed long term.

The very, very best part of the scenario is that he’s on the White Sox, so acquiring him won’t take anything spectacular. Send them Henry Rodriguez (they love hard throwing, no control relievers) or Eric Patterson (I just have this feeling Kenny Williams covets Patterson) and be done with it.

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by thejd44 on May 15, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Well now Cust is our "LF"

Why not try and grab Konerko too? Jones in RF, Sweeney in CF Paulie at DH. I think hes too well liked in Chicago though…

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Konerko is also a 10 and 5 guy

And since the White Sox have no first base prospects to speak of, I actually think they give him a two-year extension at some point.

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by thejd44 on May 16, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be wary about trading for Jones.

He got off to the same roaring start last year, and then just about this time, absolutely tanked (Fangraphs says he hit .182/.282/.419 after his first 111 PA last year). If he keeps up his current pace through July, perhaps, but it’s not a move I would make, even considering how cheap he is.

If the A’s decide to buy a bat at the deadline, I’d hope they’d target someone who could man LF adequately. Plug said player in left, move Crisp to center, keep Cust at DH, and relegate Davis to 4th/5th OF/PH duties.

Who that mystical player is, I have no idea.

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by jaxe ac on May 15, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

His 2009 was a little different though

He had 8 of his 17 homers in July. He also wasn’t in the shape he’s in now.

Anyway, the only reason I’d do it is because I don’t think it’ll require much in the way of (good) prospects.

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by thejd44 on May 16, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

In a note towards not understand why we would trade defense for offense at this point (which I agree with)

Jane Lee is tweeting “Geren says Cust will regularly play in the outfield, as he’s doing tonight.”

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on May 15, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

SMH

Fuck you Eric, fuck you Bob. You guys are costing us games.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 15, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fucking moronic

Can Chavez just get hurt already?

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on May 15, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't say it that way.

Wishing injury on a player isn’t a nice thing to do.

by IM4Oakgal on May 16, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

Recced

Seriously, that’s just evil.

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-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on May 16, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't ever wish injury on a player

not even an opposing team’s player….and certainly not one on the A’s.

What the A’s need to do is figure out – fast – whether Chavvy is done as a productive MLB player, or whether he is simply “starting slow” as he used to.

by OaklandSi on May 16, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One hitter is not the answer.

Kouz is batting like 260, and Cliff and Rosales are batting like 245 each. This unit is not working.

To have a good offense would require at least 2 or maybe 3 new solid hitters.
So basically…does not look like it will happen this year.

And add in that Duke may be dunnnnerz…and yeah….2010 is not looking too good.

by JamesS on May 15, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Please stop citing batting average, especially if you include NOTHING else.

You’ve really told everybody nothing about how good those three players have been on offense.

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by thejd44 on May 16, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

it would probably be more helpful to explain why BA is insufficient

I would also add that even including OBP, SLG, OPS, etc., for the season alone wouldn’t give an accurate picture either, as it wouldn’t account for what they’ve done lately.

by OaklandSi on May 16, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

um there is this thing called wOBA that actually explains in runs what a player has contributed to their team

BA does absofricking lutely nothing to explain the value of a player. Nothing. It would be better not knowing anything than knowing BA

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by designatedforassignment on May 16, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

why the Um?

I’m not the one who only looks at AVE.

by OaklandSi on May 16, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

disagree on Dye

  He would help against lefties and as a back up platoon player but will not sign with the A’s because he would not be a everyday player. As for Cust enjoy him this year because he is gone next year. Cust needs to prove he can hit more than Chavez the next few weeks which is not hard but he still needs to prove it.

by Arcman on May 16, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you not read this post?

Cust is literally twice the player Dye is. Half a Dye is better than say, Chavez, but still not good. I’d rather we trade for a legit guy (pref a LF) in a walk year. Manny Ramirez would get us to the playoffs, and thats no joke. Look at the Padres, take away Gonzalez and you basically have our team, and the Padres have the best record in the NL since JULY 2009, so do the math…

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 16, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would take Dye over Cust

  Cust is ChavezII. The A’s need a right handed bat in Dye. I know Cust is your favorite player but at this time he is no better than having Chavez on your team.

by Arcman on May 16, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hardly a big Cust fan...

…but that’s just not an accurate thing to say at all.

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by Flashfire on May 16, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.

by danmerqury on May 16, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you say that?

Cust is already getting on base more than Chavez.

Replacing Chavez with the Cust is the best thing this team could do other than never letting Patterson stand in CF ever again. Its clearly proven in my post that Cust is better than everyone statistically, so why even say something like that? I’d rather have Blalock over Chavez thats how much Chavez has hurt this team by not being hurt this year.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 16, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's the troll side coming out

I knew you still had it in you, Arcman :)

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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 16, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we should try to get either Jones or Manny and Kearns

We need power in the corners, defense is cool but its failing us because the pitching is getting shitter and NO ONE is hitting. As it was mentioned, Jones could be had easily and Manny is Manny, he could easily make the Dodgers mad enough to want to move him. Kearns is another guy resurrecting his career on a hopeless team, when he could be helping another be a final piece to the puzzle.

1B: Barton
RF: Kearns/Davis
LF: Manny or Jones
DH: Cust
2B: Ellis/Rosales
CF: Sweeney/Crisp
C: Suzuki/Powell
3B: Kouzmanoff
SS: Pennington

See, a shitty offense turns into a beast so easy.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 16, 2010 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

And how do you propose to get these guys?

I mean, A-Rod, Teixiera and Maggio Ordonez would also do the trick, but there’s no way in hell that would happen.

Manny Ramirez, even if the A’s could afford his salary - if the Dodgers moved him, they’d fall through the cracks completely. Kearns or Jones would require losing top prospects. Are you willing to give up Vin Mazzaro and maybe Tyson Ross, for either of them? Or Cardenas plus Mazzaro?

by richwol1 on May 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have overvalued the market.

These players listed are all out of contract at the end of the year and therefore have not as much value as A-Rod, Teixirea etc. they are off the team anyway and will leave as FA’s. It most likely wont take more than either a low-level prospect or a AAAA guy, it would be outstanding if we could trade Fox for Jones! I mean Kenny Williams traded Swisher for Wilson Betemit. Im sure we could trade Patterson & Fox for Andruw Jones pretty easily. Kearns for Mortensen & Blevins? I wouldnt be mad.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 18, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please don't DH cust...

it’s way too much fun watching him drop fly balls in the outfield. Flyballs that are routine outs…even in Little League. Jack Cust is the savior for this team and the A’s franchise!!! I also love watching him take a walk with 2 outs and runners in scoring position, so the guy hitting behind him can ground out weakly to the shortstop or pop up to the right fielder.

by Keystone State on May 17, 2010 5:55 AM PDT reply actions  

So it's Cust's fault for not swinging at bad pitches. It's his fault the guy behind him fails?

Anything I can say here would get flagged, so just know I’m having some horrible thoughts right now.

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by thejd44 on May 17, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not touching this.

I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.

by danmerqury on May 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

twss

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by mikev on May 17, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

"flagged as troll"

NOT IN MY THREAD, BUDDY.

-The president of the "Sign Elijah Dukes" fan club.

by PL78 on May 17, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya

i’m sick watching the A’s waste money on these old guys, thats all you had to say

by Boss Playa on May 17, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

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