being an a's fan in 2010
being an A's fan in 2010: Anderson is a stud. Braden is awesome, and he's now a fun, positive national sports figure. Suzuki is fun to watch. Duke is an interesting/complicate guy and a great pitcher. The A's have a half-decent shot at the division this year. There is a lot of good young baseball players and more on the way, and so it should be a hopeful time at the coliseum.
An yet the a's are scraping the bottom of the attendance barrel. the seats are empty, and the atmosphere is (mostly) deeply depressing. i still go, but i think any semi-independent observer would have to say: it sorta sucks right now. the Braden story helped a lot, but if we're honest with ourselves, the long-term trends aren't good.
My take at getting the reasons out there. I know this is depressing, but i think part of the problem is that a lot of these are sort of unspoken / unexplored so this is my attempt to get them out there...
1) The great divorce with oakland. This is the biggie. Going to a game at this point is like going to a dinner party of a couple who everyone knows are heading for divorce but are just staying together for the kids. The food might be delicious but the house is kind of falling apart and the atmosphere is off. Enough said.
2) The chavez collapse. not enough has been made of this, and how much it affected the a's. If this were boston, this would have been examined in detail over and over (see david ortiz). however, the a's invested more (proportional to their budget) in chavez--6 yrs, $66 mil in 2004 dollars--than the sox and ortiz. In 2008 Eric Chavez made 11 million dollars, which if we were the Red Sox wouldn't be that much. We're not. We're Oakland--that was 23% of the whole payroll in 2008. I did a half-hearted attempt to find another player in MLB who was close and couldn't find anyone who topped this percentage. (For all the crap the Giants got about the ZIto contract, his salary was 19% of the total payroll and the G's have gotten more out of him.)
This contract was a massive, massive failure. And we have no idea why. Has there ever been a position player who was almost totally healthy, borderline all-star third baseman from ages 19-27 and then fell off an injury/suckitude cliff right when he was supposed to be coming into his peak years? Can anyone give me a comparable position player? What is the story there? Why hasn't anyone really got upset about this? If this were Boston, there'd be investigative reporters talking to each doctor and long investigative reports on whatever the back/shoulder/forearm thing is going on.
There is even the sense that A's fans should be sort of loyal to or fond of chavez. I don't think most fans feel this way. I remember being in the left field bleachers in 2004 (I think) for the first game of the final series with the Angels. The A's needed to sweep and then win a play-off to win the division. Chavez came up in a key spot late in the game, and then struck out looking on a fastball on the outside corner. As he walked back to the dugout with no outward sign of emotion, one of the (always awesome, passionate) bleacher fans stood up and yelled "You are disappointing!". I still feel this watching him hit now--this deep sense of disappointment. Even just for the sanity of the fanbase, let's let chavy go and move on.
3) Beane: is he still the smartest guy in the room? At one point we thought Beane would lead us to the promised land through the valley of market inefficiency, but somehow it hasn't happened. Some moves worked and others didn't; i think even the craziest beane supporters would say his record is mixed, and we've been passed by both the twins and the rays as successful small market AL teams. As a formerly devoted moneyball-ista, i hate to say it but the moneyball-era insight was pretty short-lived. Some of this is poor luck, i guess, but Beane has also done some questionable things: 1) crazy loyalty to Chavez, 2) hiring his best friend as coach over Ron Washington (should you really hire someone you can't fire?), and 3) failing to understand/value the health "skill". If the Moneyball story wasn't OBP but rather exploiting market inefficiencies, how come we never found the next inefficiency? At one point Beane was relatively transparent about all these things, even when they didn't go well. We've got to get back to that. You've still got credit with us Billie, but in A's fandom, there are hints of a credit crunch or worse--a slow loss of interest.
4) Oakland in a post-PED world. the PED-legacy for oakland fanbase is also under-explored, at least by "writers" not named "Canseco". There is a tricky ambiguity for A's fans here, maybe it's not as deeply tortured as the giants-bonds relationship is, but some of the same undercurrents are there. We love ricky. We love eck. We love stew. But the canseco-mcguire-giambi-giambi-tejada axis was a major part of a's baseball for over a decade. And then there was the late-career giambi and piazza experiments. How do we feel about the A's best hitters now? And how does strange story of Eric Chavez fit into that? Did any of the pitchers use PEDs? What's Beane's take on PEDs and on how to find undervalued players in this new low-scoring world? Beane, like Sabean and everyone else in baseball circa 2000-2005, knows way more than he can talk about, but too many secrets is never a good thing in the long term. As fans do we ever get to know how things really happened?
The cliche is that winning will heal everything, and, in this case, winning includes a real stadium plan. I hope so. Would love to see Braden face A-Rod in the divisional play-offs. Would love to see the A's build a cute little stadium on the bay somewhere and build around some under-valued players.
I'll be an A's fan in 2011, 2021, 2031. Hopefully we'll remember this period as a small dip in the road.
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Gotta disagree with you on #1
Going to an A’s game is like training your replacement on a job that you do NOT want to quit.
Lew Wolff is teh suck.
by Dreamkiller Jenkins on May 15, 2010 6:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'd say the marriage is over
there aren’t any kids, only relatives in common (Rickey Henderson, 4 world titles, etc.) One side desperately wants a divorce, the other side is still in love but realizes the partner will never love them again. It’s a terrible situation.
by vk on May 15, 2010 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not helped by the role mlb is playing
Kicking the whole San Jose issue to a Bud Selig-appointed committee has predictably made things worse. The result has been months of silence and the sense that the A’s are in a total holding pattern (which they are). Of course, Bud, master of anti-marketing, sees nothing whatsoever wrong with the situation.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on May 16, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Beane
He’s made some bone headed moves as well.. like trading the organization’s #1 spec for a malcontent in M. Bradley. You mean to tell me that Beane couldn’t get the Dodgers to take someone else? The Dodgers couldn’t wait to rid themselves of Bradley; they would have taken a bag full of shit stained underwear in return.
And I also don’t think Beane needed to incl Carlos Gonzales in that Holliday trade. The Rox was already getting a solid SP, and a quality reliever. And I believe adding an Aaron Cunningham or T Buck would have been been enough to close that deal.
…and the Brett Wallace for Michael Taylor swap is looking pretty terrible right now, too.
I have no problem trading Ethier for a trip to the 2006 ALCS. Milton was quite content that year.
Carlos for Holliday was a highly questionable decision, but a defensible one.
But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal
by WaddellCanseco on May 16, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why...
you continue to equate the trade for Bradley as a trip to the ALCS. Bradley clearly was not the best, or even second best, position player on the team. That logic simply doesn’t add up. Here’s what it means to be an A’s fan in 2010…torture, plain and simple. The team and organization suck! I’m not sure why one wouldn’t simply call up the young guys like Carter and Taylor and let them learn in the majors, nothing to lose for sure.
by Keystone State on May 16, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You miss the point
I was for getting Milton Bradley but not at the expense of the organization’s #1 prospect. How can I make that any clearer?
And as for Carter & Taylor: they are simply not ready.
by sf drift king on May 16, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahhh Herrera
another one of our AAAA prospects. I wonder where is he now.
by sf drift king on May 16, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
ROFL at the assumption Rockies would take Buck or Cunningham as centerpieces to get Holliday
You really have some bizarre notions of player value.
Most fanbases are afraid of trading with Billy, because we manage to get awesome returns on deals.
Believe me, of all of the GMs in baseball, if Billy could have given less for Holliday, he would have.
I'm walking out in a force ten gale.
Birds thrown around, bullets for hail.
Minnesota is not a small market team.
2002 has come and gone; their payroll is right around $90 million.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
tell that
to the boys at BBTN and everyone else at ESPN who seem to think they are..
by sf drift king on May 16, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there baseball fans who still watch ESPN?
If so, why?
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
A real chance for contraction
It’s a business and the love is gone in Oakland. I have season tickets I use for clients. The only ones I have any luck giving away are for inter-league versus the Giants. Nobody wants to go even if it’s free. Poor radio coverage the last many years. I do like the coverage this year on 860 but it’s second class or worse compared to KNBR/Giants. Food is terrible, facilities are cold with the feel of a fallout shelter. What in-his-prime free agent would look at Oakland as a destination – none. If we trade for them – they sya the right things (Holiday) and then sulk and mope on the field. Sheets came because we paid him about 2X what anyone else was putting on the table and he saw the big foul area and deep fenses and said – good place to get a great era and then sign in NY….
This is the drunk who hits bottom.
Baja been here
I never understood why people even think there's a chance of contraction
Like Flashfire said, there’s no chance.
If Oakland is the great divorce...
is San Jose the beauty queen you always wish you had before? :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
finally someone who makes sense
Not that I think it is constructive to blame Billy Beane for everything all the time, but when are we allowed to say maybe something ain’t right? Some good trades and some bad trades, hindsight is 20/20, well hindsight is also the way to judge performance. Beane gets too much credit for what mainly the scouts did during our 2000-2006 run, and Beane gets too much negativity for when we suck also. The bottom line is that we are boring, sure Suzuki and Sweeney are nice to watch and we got some talented arms fo’ sho but they ain’t exactly going to put people in the seats. CarGon and Ethier would be saving any chance of staying in Oakland, so the real question is:Did he trade them on purpose? Because that would explain it and be a pretty good excuse for Beane to keep his job.
The A's are probably hemorrhaging fans at this point
That’s a creepy image, I realize. But I imagine that the fan base is shrinking by the week. Why would anyone in his or her right mind not become a Giants’ fan. There is absolutely no reason to root for this team anymore.
That said, this is exactly how things were in the late 90s with talk of contraction and few signs at all of hope.
Speak for yourself bub....
Top 10 Reasons to root for the A’s:
10. Waiting for the day that Chavez gets DFA’d
9. Betting on the over/under on A’s DL transaction for the year
8. The pending move to San Jose
7. Adam Rosales running like mad on a homer
6. Stomper can hyphy it up anytime!
5. The expected arrival of Chris Carter
4. Brett Anderson serving up his “where’d that 97mph fastball come from” whoopass
3. Breakout year for Daric “Louganis” Barton
2. We’re not the Giants or have their GM….good fucken riddance!
1. Dallas “209” Braden w/ grandma in tow yelling “stick it, A-rod”
Go A’s!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
by ST on May 18, 2010 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably because we're not a buch of damn fairweather front running gold diggers
But enjoy your time in SF, I guess.
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Sell outs
Anyone who wants to leave the A’s for the Giants — you have a chance this weekend when SF comes to town. Trade in your A’s gear for Giants gear & show your face at the Coliseum. Show up in a Lincecum jersey. I dare you. If your conscience doesn’t burn — even just a little — at turning your back on your organization when it needs you most, then good riddance.
Everyone else, especially you crazies on AN — keep the faith!
Amen brother...
Amen…..Go A’s
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
by ST on May 18, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions

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