Gio K's 8, A's Stop Skid with 4-3 Win
by 67MARQUEZ on May 1, 2010 1:00 PM PDT
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Sparked by Josh Donaldson's first major-league homerun, and a second-straight solid effort by Gio Gonzalez (6.2IP, 3H, 2R, 8K), the A's snapped a four-game losing skid with a 4-3 victory.
The Toronto Blue Jays lit up the A's for 16 runs in the first two contests of this four-game set, but were stymied by Gonzalez, whose room for error wasn't nearly as spacious as his two previous victories this season (21 runs of support). That didn't seem to faze the 24-year old southpaw. He retired the first nine batters he faced, tiptoed in and out of danger in the fourth and fifth frames, and generally kept the Jays at bay all day. Well, at least until he tired in the seventh after having thrown 107 pitches.
Oakland struck first with a run in the second off ex-A Dana Eveland. Consecutive one-out walks by Eveland put Jake Fox in position to belly flop home on a single by Eric Patterson.
The A's increased their lead to 4-nil with three runs in the fourth, the first two courtesy of Donaldson's homerun to deep left, the last on an RBI-single by Rajai Davis.
Today, four runs were good enough. Barely.
The Jays scored a single run in the fourth and added a pair in the seventh, but were allowed no more as Andrew Bailey was summoned to record a four-out save.
But the afternoon belonged to Gio Gonzalez who has taken on the curious role of stopper; his last two starts have followed an A's loss, and he's come through both times.
The A's are back over .500 and we do it again tomorrow.
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Unstoppable, baby!
Nice to see our four runs hold up—good hold by A’s pitching.
@worldblee on Twitter.
(brown) skids are the worst!
"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty
Unless properly seasoned.
But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal
by WaddellCanseco on May 1, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
mm beer.
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
by DyeLongJustice on May 1, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the icing on the cake
Scot Shields gives up a walk off HR to Damon
LOL
Angel food cake?
But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal
by WaddellCanseco on May 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
thank god.
missed the game but just read the summary on yahoo and here.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
Said it in the gamethread
If Gio’s going to pitch like this he can wear all the Ed Hardy stuff he wants. I’ll cope.
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Not enough. I propose we all wear a hoodie while posting in game threads.
But baseball! Fuck yeah! -- lynnzgal
by WaddellCanseco on May 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
naked ok?
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
by OptimistPrime on May 1, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Should have been an easier win but whatever
Anything to snap the streak.
Thank you Gio
and Bailey, and Penny, and Donaldson, and Ziggy……
"The guy was tasting himself too long to apologize."~Dallas Braden
OK If you had known
25 games in…
Duke maybe out for season; Anderson on DL; no Wuertz
Ellis, Suzuki and Buck on DL; still no Crisp
Would you have taken 13-12???
Definitely.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 1, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
nope....do you think this is a team that believes?
I thought today’s win was great on a couple of levels. We may have had some crap games – but we’re still winners…..great performance by Gio when we really needed one…..we saw some new talent……just need to take tomorrow……
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
Weird comment
The impact of losing most of those guys (the exceptions being Ellis and Wuertz) hasn’t really been felt yet and is not represented in the 13-12 record.
Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford Prefect: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur Dent: I don't know, I didn't listen!
I think Suzuki's absence has been felt
Depending on what you’re point of view is with regards to a catcher’s ability to call a game. It may be a coincidence but our pitchers have been getting rocked ever since he’s been gone.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
if Suzuki was catching yesterday he wouldn't have called all those shitty sinkers belt high from Cahill!
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Well I didn't see yesterday's game
But you’re right!
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
hell yes i wouldve take 13-12 and first place.
"I get nervous every fifth day," Braden said. "I figure the day that goes away is the day I saddle up behind the 7-Eleven desk."
Really enjoyed listening to the game today.
Donaldson’s HR was a real pleasure. Gio’s cool was great. There were NO BUNTS! Geren took Gio out at the right time, even if it didn’t work out perfectly. Ziggy did his job, Bailey is awesome.
Donaldson may need a little work on the tag, but let’s remember that he caught Gio all game with nary a problem. That is fine work, and would be great even if he hadn’t hit the Homer, good enough for an overall .049 WPA in his very first game.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
there was one bunt by pennington....but he reached base....
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
Sorry, I meant the "sac bunt."
I actually dig bunting for a hit, and wish Rajai could learn to do it.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
me too.....the only person that I think can consistently lay one down is Ellis.
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
And, UNFORTUNATELY, Barton.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
World would be a much better place
If Barton was one of those players who can’t bunt to save their life.
I have skills I can't use.
For instance, I can roll a fantastic joint. But do I? No. Someone just needs to tell Barton that him bunting is about as useful as me stoned.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Maybe someone needs to get Geren stoned!
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Am I the only one who saw this picture and thought "hm, changeup grip"?
Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford Prefect: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur Dent: I don't know, I didn't listen!
That was a really pleasing HR by Donaldson
It’s not like he clobbered the ball with a perfect swing, that one was just muscled out. That’s how you hit a lot of home runs.
Damon walk off, angels lose
Damon .950 OPS so far, do we assume he wouldve just been lousy here like his previous stint if A’s signed him?
YAY!! I love it when they lose....especially when they are/were tied with us.
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
No
although it’s certainly reasonable to assume that he’s not really a .950 OPS hitter. His rest-of-season ZiPS projection pegs him at .801.
Adjust that for Oakland and it’s probably more like high-.700s, which is what I’d expect from him.
All that said, I’d trade in Crisp for him every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The A’s got what they paid for (or more exactly, what they failed to pay for) as far as those two are concerned.
Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford Prefect: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur Dent: I don't know, I didn't listen!
What team?
Honestly, I can’t keep track of where Damon plays. Isn’t he with one of the AL Central teams now?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I like wins on a
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on May 1, 2010 1:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
boat?
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You can't stop me motherf**ker, 'cause I'm on a boat.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on May 1, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I like wins
Special thanks to Nico who brought a radio out to Relay for Life so that we could walk while listening to the A’s. If it gets the A’s to win, I’ll walk my way through every A’s game for the rest of the season!! ;)
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on May 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
{cough, cough}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
{hack, wheeze, PHLEGM}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
no, really, gigs, we're all very proud of you.
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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, just clearing my throat.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Without people like gigs volunteering their time
I would be much more cynical about life.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
{sob}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hi Nico!
[pause]
Say, could you move out of the way?
I kinda wanna tell gigs how great we all think she is.
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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Longer than the A's disabled list
So, long.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm picturing the radio
on a chain around the neck flava flav style.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
Gio!
Do we know how VM is doing?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I read something last week that said she was doing much better.
Don’t remember who reported it, though.
Sweet!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Wow, gamethread count held to 1.
Must mean everyone is out enjoying the gorgeous weather today.
I took my little niece and nephew to Children’s Fairyland and then Fenton’s for lunch!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Or it means Don is a technological genius.
He hides things. It’s in his nature.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Yeah, we had three threads.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 1, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah. I forgot about that new tool.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Yeah, so not reading through all that.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
You know you want to.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 1, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you normally read old gamethreads?
That’s just asking for pain.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Once in a while.
And yeah, it is.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
You do realize that's a sign that you have a problem?
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on May 1, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If I was out, sometimes I'll go back and look if it was a really good win
Or if it was a BAD loss I’ll look for the spot where the biggest thing happened to see all the reactions.
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She can count all of the posts that were accidentally posted twice!
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 1, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, there were lots of those today.
Man, there were lots of those today.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Usually it's just me.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
oh shit I have to rsvp for a party at fairyland
thanks anonymous digital person I will call pam
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
Nice win, bitches!
Great game by Gio and nice first hit by Donaldson! Hopefully Sheets does what he’s being paid to do and pitches well tomorrow. Go A’s!
"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit
Besides an A's Victory..
What else did the BlueJays give us for the services of Dana “High and Outside” Eveland? PTBNL + $$$$$ + 1 Win??? Not of actual substance sounds about right.
Random thoughts
— Gio was pitching well, although the Blue Jays were swinging at a lot of balls.
— It’s a good thing Fred Lewis is an idiot, trying to take third with two outs in what he had just turned into a one-run game.
— Tyson Ross got hit hard in his brief appearance.
— If Ryan Sweeney is having trouble with the artificial turf, he shouldn’t play tomorrow either.
— Donaldson had trouble catching balls and tagging people, but he still won the game with his home run. I had only recently woken up, and was confused at first about who hit it.
The best news about Gio, IMO,
is that he is getting a lot of his “swing throughs” on fastballs.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He’s really kept the walks down in his last two starts as well.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
We all forgot about G
He’s still an ace-talent. A little wild yes, but he is good at baseball. Wouldnt surprise me at all if hes the one who forms the 1-2 with BA,
Brett -> Gio -> Braden -> Ross -> Mazzaro?
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
by ElQuesoCapitan on May 1, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be nice
Im really rooting for Outman though. I also think Figeroa and Hernandez might sneak up on a lot of people, Figeroa especially.
And of course I there’s Cahill, who is going to be a valuable SP when he’s 26 or so, I really wish they didnt bring him up to get shelled, thats what the DiNardo’s and Mortensen’s of the world are for.
No, it wouldn't really surprise me either.
He was the all-minor league leader in strikeouts how many times? Twice? Like Torii said, he’s got the best LH curveball in the bigs.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Did Gio throw his changeup much today? If so, how did it look?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I didn't watch the game, but MLB's nifty new At Bat thing says
Out of 103 pitches:
51 4-seam FF
14 2-seam FF
18 curveballs
9 changeups
and 11 pitches that were marked as a slider or “unknown”. I’ll have to take a closer look at those sometime, because to my knowledge, he doesn’t throw a slider.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Watching Gameday, they classified a 82 mph pitch as a fastball. You might have to go through all of the pitches, to be honest.
Yeah, I quickly threw them into an Excel chart.
Those sliders are nowhere near anything remotely resembling a LH slider, unless Gio decided to pitch right-handed today. They look more like changeups that didn’t break downwards.
And the slow pitches that Gameday thinks are fastballs are changeups. The neural nets that MLBAM uses for pitch classification are decent, but it’s a really difficult job for a computer, given the differences between pitchers.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
And speaking of MLBAM,
I know they’re giving out the data for free, but the new format changes they implemented this year are a real pain in the ass. All of the game PitchFX data is now separated into innings, which means 9x the files to deal with. Plus, the XML format in each file changes seemingly randomly.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Handful
He probably threw around 10 changeups. He did get Vernon Wells out in the 2nd with a change. But he also had a couple in the dirt to Alex Gonzalez.
That might be enough, if they're effective
If he throws a dozen in 7 innings, and he throws them well, then hitters will have to take it into account.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I agree on Sweeney
He should have had a day of earlier in the series.
huge fan, love the win...
but i am the only one who sees a flaw in your dh being your #6 hitter? i can’t think of any of the other “premier” teams doing that….
"It calms down as we get further from Opening Day " Jeff
by tresselfan on May 1, 2010 3:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Again, the only real lineup issue the A's have is whether to lead off with Rajai.
And that one is now solved. For the rest of them, there is so little difference that so long as Barton is up near the top of the order (based on his OBP), the run differential for any given lineup is very, very small. Complain all you want about lack of power (but remember that we are not last in the ML in HRs), but where the DH bats is pretty irrelevant.
A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."
Actually, DHs (as a group) are really stinking it up this season
They’ve been almost exactly league average hitters, which makes them a terrible value when you consider that they’re adding nothing at all with the glove. A DH who only hits at league-average levels is barely better than replacement level.
Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford Prefect: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur Dent: I don't know, I didn't listen!
Yeah, i've noticed that, and it's confusing me
Is there any particular reason or trend why that is happening?
I understand the presence of blatant DHs masquerading as position players in the NL (Manny, Dunn, Bay, Carlos Lee, etc.) , and Dye/Delgado/Sheffield unsigned, but those problems have been there for a while.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
I don't think it matters
As long as the offense is working and the DH is contributing, he can hit anywhere they want him.
As it is, we know this is not a “premier” offense.
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Red Sox, Rays
The Red Sox bat their DH 5th or 6th (Ortiz; now has been dropped to 6th) and the Rays at #7 (Burrell).
Sox will dump Ortiz soon.
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
by Brownie's Year on May 1, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but both those teams almost definitely need to dump their DHs
Easily both are sub-replacement level players if they keep it up.
As is Eric Chavez/Jake Fox platoon.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
We won? I took a drunk nap and missed the last half. Let’s start a winning streak now.
Shitpuppets are supposed to be angry at other shitpuppets.
Every time we lose, just blame me and my sober awareness.
The Maniac’s here.
by Brownie's Year on May 2, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
watched the replay on mlbtv of Donaldson's HR
check out the quick smile he flashed between first and second base.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
Am I the only one who cant stand it when the phrase "Team A RECALLED Player X from the minors"
When Player X has never been called up before?
I keep reading that about Donaldson, how can he be recalled when he was never up to begin with? Is it just bad phrasing or does it refer to the player being on the 40 man roster during spring or something?
In Donaldson's case, it's factually wrong
Normally, it indicates that a player who was on the 40-man roster on optional assignment has been added to the 25-man roster. That does sometimes involve a guy getting his first callup and thus being “recalled for the first time,” which I agree is a contradiction in terms. Carlos Gonzalez’s first callup was a “recall”.
Donaldson was not on the 40-man roster, though. The correct terminology is that the A’s selected him from AAA, or that they purchased his contract.
Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford Prefect: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur Dent: I don't know, I didn't listen!
MLB.com just says "called up".
Powell, Kilby, Tolleson, and Cahill all “recalled”, but not Donaldson.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
throwing curves
So with Gio dealing curves, I laughed when the first pitch Bailey threw to Vernon Wells in the 8th was a curve, and it worked! One would have thought Wells would have seen enough of those in the game to recognize it.
And Mr. Ross, welcome to the big leagues. Ouch.
by rollierollieOxenfree on May 1, 2010 9:14 PM PDT reply actions
curves look a bit different coming from a righty vs a lefty.
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And not only that,
Bailey’s curve is a little faster and breaks downward half as much as Gio’s.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
so, mr. pitch analyzer
(I’m still kind of blown away with your just throwing all his pitches on a spreadsheet—you do that for fun, don’t you?), what kind of variance are we talking about? How much would an average Gio pitch drop as compared to a Bailey curve?
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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Bailey's is more 12 to 6
Gio’s is more 11 to 5, it seems to have horizontal and vertical movement
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And curve
He doesn’t throw it often, which is good (sometimes when batters can’t catch up to his fastball he’s “speeding up the hitter’s bat” by throwing offspeed). If Bailey were starting, undoubtedly he’d mix the curve in more.
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would be nice if he gets better at the curve
I would imagine he will get injured if he keeps throwin’ the cutter a lot. AB IS THE SHIT!
erm... the curve is worse on your arm than the cutter, is it not?
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I dont really know
I just know cutter can cause problems
Really?
I hear of a lot of curveball and slider-related arm problems, but not much from a cutter. Not that one person means much, but Rivera’s made a 200-year career out of throwing a cutter.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
yeah I know...I was surprised when I heard that too
So I dont really know….injuries are mostly luck I guess.
Though I do know screwballs cause serious injuries.
Yeah, screwball is probably the most infamous one.
They made Dallas stop using that halfway through the minors.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
No, I disagree.
The Cutter is basically a fastball with a different grip and the wrist snaps directly downward at the end.. It’s doesn’t need the twisting wrist snap you need when you throw a curve or slider.
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by mikev on May 1, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on the grip used
But a curve is much, much harder on your arm (elbow) than a cutter. For the most part a cutter is just a fastball with a different grip, position. A curve (like a screwball) requires a lot of sharp/hard motion on your arm as a whole. A cutter has next to no motion on your arm outside a normal throwing motion.
Ask me about my squirrel.
kiko calero
one who threw quite a bit of cutter, had a bit of an arm problem which was attributed to said pitch type.
by rollierollieOxenfree on May 2, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't throw a cutter
He threw tons and tons of sliders.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The Gio/Bailey curve thing was all Fangraphs's work.
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=7448&position=P
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=1368&position=P
Scroll down to the column labeled “CU-Z” (curveball, the Z is for vertical movement). Gio gets around 10 inches of drop from a spinless ball, whereas Bailey gets more like 5.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
Yay!
If some non stat guy is ever picking on you, tell me. I’ll kick his butt for you.
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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooooh.
I’ll be sure to sick you on someone at AN Day.
The selfish, they're all standing in line, faithing and hoping to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by, I only own my mind.
C'mere, you little punk!
You think it’s funny picking on statheads, do you?!
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
just having a little fun is all.
Ask me about my squirrel.
(nono, you're helping me)
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
by Leopold Bloom on May 2, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
(can we practise our stage fighting before hand though?)
Ask me about my squirrel.
Cardenas is finally back in Sac-town!!!!
Keep the regulation on full! Lets go A’s……rock the mic harder than the beastie boys manana!
Racism is schism on a serious tip, you dont believe me i will go and bust your lip.
Sorry, just been listening to Sublime a lot as of late
TELL EM REGGAE MUSIC IS ON THE LOOSE
Yeah so im really disappointed that there is no "better than you think reference here"
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
by designatedforassignment on May 1, 2010 11:03 PM PDT reply actions
There were two of them in the game thread
We were thinking of you, Bro.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Frakkin Geren man...
Do these young pitchers have some clause in their contracts about more money for each 7 inning outing? This is getting ridiculous.
Yer killin me kouz, yer killing me!
I think I might be clinically depressed.
I’m staying up until about 1 in the afternoon and sleeping til about 10pm. Plus I’m not bathing regularly. I rarely leave my house.
I may have slipped into madness/darkness (thank you, War). Don’t get close, AN: the crazy might be contagious.
sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm
I remember those days. Not pretty let me tell you.
Ask me about my squirrel.
Welcome to unemployment AN
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
by designatedforassignment on May 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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