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This Post Is Not About Politics (KTRB)

Dear Oakland Athletics and Associated Baseball Gods (OAABG),

Thank you for your acknowledging that East Bay fans and those Non-Resident A's Fans (NRAFs) occasionally cannot attend games live, and may enjoy taking in the occasional contest via radio. We recognize that certain other ballclubs, particularly those sporting orange and black uniforms, have had an incestuous relationship with their own radio station empire for several decades now, and in the meantime, your own approach to the audio dial has been confusing and scattered. We know that practically every season, we have grown accustomed to learning not just of a new roster of players, but which station will carry our green and gold. We understood that when you were part of KGOD, we understood that when you switched to an FM frequency, and we understand it now that you are on KTRB, which bills itself as XTRA Sports 860. 860 may not exactly be 680, but at least the numbers are the same, right?

So... yes. About why I am writing...

With the deepest amount of respect and kindness, I ask simply, are you confused? Or more directly, what the heck are you thinking by muddling up a "sports station" with five hours of political dreck from one of the most divisive characters possible? (You know... this guy. http://www.michaelsavage.com/)

If I listen to your A's broadcast at night, and it is the last thing I hear on the radio, odds are the next morning, when I start the car, I am going to hear the unique "take" from Mr. Savage, in which he specifically takes a viewpoint that runs contrary to practically all of the A's community, if you assume polls and voting records are accurate. For the record, even if this gentleman were to share my political views in totality, I do not believe that this show belongs on a channel dedicated to sports. It makes no sense to have Mr. Savage provided with five (FIVE!) high profile hours of your airtime on a channel which we turn to in the hopes of hearing sports.

KNBR may not be my favorite station, but they haven't given up even a single hour of their precious airtime to Mr. Limbaugh or Mr. Hannity or Mr. Beck or Mr. O'Reilly or Mr. Franken or Michael Moore. They are a sports station and they broadcast sports - or something resembling. So are you. You broadcast sports. ESPN doesn't run politics on any of its multitude of channels. Do you know why? Because they are a sports network.

So why are you so confused? Why do you want to insult your listeners and the community by poisoning the airwaves with anything other than the purity of sports? I recognize maybe it's about money and ratings, and all that... but what I am learning is that I cannot trust you with my radio dial, and I must turn on your channel when the games begin, and turn it off when the games end. The non-sports content is hurting the ratings of all your other shows, period. I don't even want to check and see who they are most days, by the chance I may bump into Mr. Savage or any of the nutty off-topic promotions for his show.

I won't muddy up this beautiful sports-related Web site with details around your show's content. I think you know what they are, and I also think you know that the vast majority of A's fans are opposed to the tone and content. But that's not the point. The point is that you are presenting one of the first real alternatives to the KNBR duopoly (680 + 1050) in the San Francisco Bay Area, and yet, you are killing it before it has a chance to grow. I love the A's, but I don't love this.

Please find another way to fill your airtime with something resembling sports. We would be very grateful.

Thank you from a life-long A's fan.

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

me too

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-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Apr 30, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

supposedly KTRB has Savage on the air to increase listenership

which is why I found this part of an email message from KTRB so interesting:

Lastly, if you are writing to express your opinion about our change of format, please understand that we only made this decision after giving our political talk programming over two years to establish a large enough audience. We believe that all of the programs were wonderful programs. Unfortunately, they did not attract enough listeners to allow us to sustain the format.
Very truly yours,
—Jim P. Pappas
Vice President/General Manager

ORLY? if KTRB changed from a political talk station to a sports station due to low listenership, wouldn’t it make sense not to preempt sports programming (such as Townsend’s pregame show) for Savage?

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

...
Please find another way to fill your airtime with something resembling sports.

I vote for AN Radio. Or bring Marty back.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 30, 2010 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I gotta vote for the first option

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

AN Radio

hosted by Good Don and Evil Don. Which one is the funny man, which one is the straight man?

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both.

and Neither.

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

AN Radio...

I can only imagine the ratings when Cindi guest-hosts…

by calgbear on May 1, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

"We have Shari on line 2, but first let's go to Loni on line 1...

Welcome to Overtime Innings, Loni, what are you THINKING with that hair?"

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by Nico on May 1, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

An experienced engineer + a nuts & bolts emcee/straight man/announcer + Bloomie in the booth (dude needs a job, right?) + fan-contributed audio blurbs + our calls + non-geek A’s fan calls (occasionally savagely parodied) + Bleacher Dave samples re-cut and pasted and made to say kinky things + musical guests (either in the studio or pre-recorded)

= funsauce.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 30, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

can I go in the booth with Bloomie?

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

what I mean is I can pretend to be knowledgeable about baseball when needed

and I have a face for radio.

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you had a face for stabbin'?

Or was that a face for grillin’?

Or was that just a sticker of a picture of your face on the bottom of a cupholder?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 30, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

HI!!!!

also, which? The stabbin, grillin, or putting my face on the bottom of a cupholder?

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

HI!!!!!

LOL. AN Radio.

And G and I want to get together with you and grill soon. Email me.

Ms. Jesa

by Athletica on Apr 30, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

badum-tss!

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

for the actual vocal/sound...

http://instantrimshot.com/

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by One won lost won on Apr 30, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know what?

We could do this.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 30, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Squirrel Talk with Bloom and DMOAS

I’ll be Teller to your Penn!!!

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Apr 30, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like it.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 30, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had hoped 860 would be a nice balance to 680

but hopes were dashed with the current programming, now I don’t listen at all, and re-upped my satellite radio subscription so I don’t have to listen to either one of them. Screw em.

"We have to win eight. I'll be crushed if we don't win eight." CRN...Eat it BN, lol

by S Jay Bruin on Apr 30, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I set my alarm to radio.

I often leave it on KTRB after listening to a game. It’s sort of nice to hear Savage in the morning as I’m a chronic oversleeper and hearing Savage talk gives me extra incentive to get out of bed to turn off my radio.

by LongLiveLangerhans on Apr 30, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

GP

"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis

by Berry Jo on Apr 30, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it really that hard to turn off the radio

when it stops being baseball?

Now that I’m an NRAF I’m on MLB audio now, but back when I was local I listened to games on the radio and I can’t remember ever caring one bit what they played when it wasn’t baseball. I just didn’t listen to anything else.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Apr 30, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

It isn't hard to turn off the radio or switch stations.

What I am suggesting is that it would be fantastic to have a real sports station with the A’s on it. KTRB says that it is a real sports station, but 5 hours of primetime radio is made for something else entirely. This undercuts their entire position.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, OK. I get it now.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Apr 30, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

what would be nice would be to have the dugout pregame show

lead into the A’s pregame warmup, rather than be interrupted with another 40 minutes or so of canned Savage before the game warmup…and then have the postgame show not interrupted constantly.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention

hearing the Savage commercial spots over and over again during the pregame, warmup, game and postgame. I’d rather hear the spots for the other shows on KTRB (whatever they may be).

I’m not saying Savage commercials should not be aired. I’m just saying that if he wasn’t carried on this so called ‘sports’ station to begin with, then we would not have to hear his commercials there either.

by jakebmill on Apr 30, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I understand that they have the right to put their promos wherever they want. But from the email message they sent me (it’s a canned response to messages that include various items of complaints) it seems ironic that they want to cut into sports programming to promote Savage since they changed from a mostly political talk format to a sports format because the first didn’t get enough listeners.

Townsend’s take on this was that once more people start listening to the sports content they won’t need Savage.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to listen to the commercials for savage even during the game

and quite frankly they are offensive.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

by designatedforassignment on Apr 30, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. You couldn't be more wrong.

Knbr had Rush Limbaugh for years. He helped put them on the map until they had the listeners and money to go all sports.

I am sure ktrb is doing the same thing. I am also sure Savage is their highest rated program. They are more likely to drop sports than him at this time. Eventually they will move on but you’re complaining isn’t going to help anyone right now. Just be happy the A’s have a station at all.

And stop making generalizations about the listeners. I don’t listen to savage but I find him less annoying and less bigoted than much of the commentary regarding politics that is posted here “in good fun.”

and yes your post is political and violates the rules of the site. It didn’t have to be but you made it so.

by DrDoom on Apr 30, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Couldn't be more wrong?

I can think of a few ways.

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true. The line

“he specifically takes a viewpoint that runs contrary to practically all of the A’s community’ is just asking for trouble and is jumping headfirst into the political pool.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Asking for trouble is strong

I would suggest it’s not a huge leap to see that this particular show has specific viewpoints that are not shared by the voting majority. But that’s not the point.

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's certainly the point for me.

You say your post it “not about politics” but then in the middle of it you presume to know the political views of “practically all of the A’s community”.

You don’t know what the community’s political views are. You don’t know because “practically all of” the AN community respects the idea of keeping this a non-political site; airs their political views, if any, somewhere else; and shuts the hell up about them here on AN.

Unlike you.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Apr 30, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

He specifically said he was referring to the "demographics"

not that he was slanting a personal opinion. Gray area, but on the correct side of it for the CGs as far as I’m concerned.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Apr 30, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. :)

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

And pointed out the gaps in the logic.

You’re talking about the demographics of the Bay Area. We don’t know if A’s fans are a representative sample of that population. We also do know that plenty among the AN community don’t live in the Bay Area.

But more important, it’s just not pertinent to the argument.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Apr 30, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now!

I never said his reference to demographics was in any way, shape, or form accurate. Just that it wasn’t on the wrong side of the gray area of political discussion.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Apr 30, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

retail + politics = no good

Anytime a retail business (the A’s, or AN for that matter) aligns itself with one divisive political side, it alienates the other. This results in a non-optimal audience participation in the business/media.

So I agree that it’s strange for the A’s to do something like this (broadcast on a radio station that is aligned with one particular philosophy), I also agree w/ where iglew may be going, that as a moderator to this site, you (loiusmg) are insinuating that AthleticsNation is aligned with another political philosophy. This would be just be retail politics, on the “other side” to which the A’s are supposedly aligning with.

Two wrongs don’t make a right?

by rollierollieOxenfree on Apr 30, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me remind people

that the Raiders signed on with a political station in KSFO, while the A’s station added the Savage Nation afterwards..

by sf drift king on May 4, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Apr 30, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on this.

I’m in no interest of arguing. It would be silly of me to say I didn’t disagree with the man, and I was careful not to condemn his views. Saying that his views are in alignment with the majority would be similarly spurious, so I was writing with a reality hat on.

PS – Game’s on. :)

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter what the majority of AN thinks,

there is always going to be someone who thinks the opposite and then things get said and feelings get hurt and then someone’s banned.

And thanks for the game reminder, I totally forgot! I need to set up the MLB At Bat 2010 reminders.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just imagine if I posted the opposite

Thanking ktrb and applauding the views of savage as being aligned to some portion of the audience. It wouldn’t fly. And neither does your post.

Bias, bigotry and close-mindedness goes both ways. Those that think it is only a trait of those they disagree with are probably the worst offenders. It’s amazing how easily it slips in.

I for one think this and the Whitman/Poisner opinions need to go. Unless you want a site that turns off a portion of the community. And I bet a lot of you do want that.

by DrDoom on Apr 30, 2010 4:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Don't fan the flames.

DrDoom doesn’t have to agree with me. That’s okay. Let’s keep the thread civil.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I sure do!

We need to get rid of all this baseball talk. Squirrels all the time!

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Apr 30, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ALL SQUIRRELS. ALL THE TIME.

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 30, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

One tranny dominatrix + ten submissive squirrels =

Porn that even The Seven would watch.

"We support your economy. We make your food and tend your fields. All we want are the same rights and responsiblities as you. Please... Vote YES on Proposition 801- Equal rights for sock puppets!"

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 30, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

SQUIRRELS??!!!!!!!!!

http://deadsquirrel.com/

…all squirrels must die!!

"I'm not going to comment on the cacophonous generation of ancillary noise". Ken Korach on the Tampa Bay indoor dome.

by One won lost won on Apr 30, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh oh.

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by mikev on Apr 30, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

ummmm - pretty sure he did.

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by Berry Jo on Apr 30, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

...

“The path of the righteous squirrel is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his squirrel’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and FURIOUS ANGER those who attempt to poison and destroy my squirrels. AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE!”

sock puppets have never successfully defended castles, except when working with squirrels, which would never happen because squirrels know better than to trust sock puppets. -nm

by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

What he said.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on May 1, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

You would be advocating for the insertion of politics into the arena of sports rather than what louismg is doing which is advocating for its removal. Very different.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

by designatedforassignment on Apr 30, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is that even though louismg is advocating for the removal of it,

he is in fact injecting it in the above article with the biased comments.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

if we're to believe what they wrote to me

they changed to a sports format precisely because they couldn’t get enough listeners with the political talk format.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is pure speculation on my part,

but what if they were trying to get Savage but gave up when it looked like he wouldn’t sign with them. In order to try and stay relevant, they sign the deal with the A’s. Meanwhile, it turns out that they can get Savage, so they say “Oh crap” and figure out how to best juggle it.

Whether or not you agree with what Savage says, you have to admit that he bring in the listeners. Is it the same type of person who listens to sports? Maybe. If the person can get jacked up just listening to politics, maybe they can put the same feeling into a sports team. I was stoked when I heard that the A’s had signed a long term deal with the station. My hope is that there is a long-term plan to bring in better shows, more A’s content and better reception.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that he in fact does bring in the listeners

and that his being on the air is actually building up listenership for this “Extra Sports Station.”

That’s really my point, not what Savage’s views are.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know he brings in the listeners.

But you are correct, the only question is whether or not that actually translates to more listeners for the A’s games.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is just inaccurate

from the CG

Comments that bring politics, or other highly inflammatory non-baseball related topics, onto AN

The radio station that carries the A’s is a baseball related topic and therefore is not excluded from AN, just like how talking about the politics of the stadium construction is appropriate in this venue.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

by designatedforassignment on Apr 30, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's the way I see it

KTRB is using Savage to get its listenership up, then dump him when it’s convenient to do so. I’m just glad we finally have our own station.

Louismg, if Savage’s show affects you that much to have to write a post about it on a sports blog, then you must find yourself listening to him in the morning when you really don’t want to. That’s why his show is so popular; he gets ppl to listen who hate his guts. Don’t listen, change the channel, close thread.

by sf drift king on May 4, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The sports programs on XTra Sports are pretty good actually

I think Chris Townsend is doing a good job with “A’s Talk” so far.

Rick Tittle’s show from 10am-Noon weekdays is pretty good. Tittle is an A’s fan and talks about the A’s quite a bit.

The show after that “JJ and the Mouth” Noon-3pm is also A’s friendly.

I do not like Savage but the other shows (Tittle, JJ/Mouth, A’s talk w/ Chris Townsend) are much better than having nothing. I actually think it’s worth the tradeoff.

by uci anteater on Apr 30, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

They are growing on me. I almost don’t know what to do when I hear A’s talk on the radio. It’s just so surprising.

by DrDoom on Apr 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That is my reaction too

When I first stumbled upon Tittle’s show, I almost had a heart attack. He was talking about the A’s.

by uci anteater on Apr 30, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with JJ and the Mouth

I do get that one on occasion, between the political shows. :)

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know anything about those shows (except Townsend)

I sure seems like KTRB is the A’s game and Savage. So, after the game, the radio goes to music or switches to KNBR.

by gojohn10 on Apr 30, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

by the way Robert Buan's Country Fastball is on Saturday from 8 am

and today he is interviewing Tim Hudson. I posted the link as a fan shot for anyone interested.

by OaklandSi on May 1, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really really hate sports shout

which al these programs seems to be.

I would prefer libach to this.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on May 1, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am loving

the Chris Townsend show. Havn’t caught the Tittle show yet, but now will be looking for it.

by sf drift king on May 4, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

To no one in particular (and this isn't to fan the flames)

But it’s a little ironic the reaction to this post’s political content. This is a baseball site and everyone is rightly pointing out the politics in the OP’s argument above. Yet you can find a direct correlation to KTRB’s attempt at being a “Sports Station” and this fanpost. Any political discussion on the station should be met with the same sort of WTFness as this post has received purely based on the disconnect between sports and politics. Political talk of any sort is simply in and of itself a turn-off to someone looking to talk sports.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on Apr 30, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup.

More than just ANtics: http://www.louisgray.com/live/

by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This happened with the Seattle Sonics

I moved up to Seattle at the start of the decade. The Sonics broadcasts were always on the sports AM radio station, until the last couple of years, when they moved to the right-wing talk station, which featured Rush, Savage, et al. I love basketball, but I could not stomach having that station as a preset on my car radio. So I basically gave up listening to the Sonics. And I bet a lot of the Seattle fans (who generally have a liberal-leaning viewpoint) felt the same way. And you know what eventually happened to the Sonics. I don’t think it’s some kind of conspiracy by Wolff to ease an A’s move, but the situations seems similar, no?

by Murray, Present on Apr 30, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

KNBR is owned by the Giants, while KTRB is independent of the A's

The A’s unfortunately don’t seem to have much leverage with KTRB.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

KNBR is not owned by the Giants

It’s owned by Cumulus Media, one of the biggest radio station ownership groups in the nation.

I believe that at one time KNBR owned a very small slice of the Giangts, but I don’t think that’s true anymore either.

Everybody's got a little light under the sun.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 30, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants do have a minority ownership

it is and continues to be an item of discussion. That is quite a bit different from the A’s relationship with KTRB.

by OaklandSi on Apr 30, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what's amazing?

I receive KTRB in Fresno. Sure, there are “dead spots”, but I can actually listen to the game broadcast. Incredible. As for Savage, eh, he’s just another talking head from the right. I can ignore him just as I do the talking heads from the left. Sometimes I find both groups amusing, and sometimes I find them both annoying. I’ll leave the dial right there on the off chance that whoever is yacking will be preempted and someone starts talking bout the A’s.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Apr 30, 2010 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I was out in the valley last weekend and heard it better than the local Modesto station.

I was very surprised1

"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis

by Berry Jo on Apr 30, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The biggest loss to me

is that KTRB is hedging on its plan to be a genuine alternative 100% sports outlet to KNBR. The big question is what KTRB does when Savage leaves (and leave he will, in less than a year I’d guess, because his trajectory is to pursue as big a spotlight as he can get, and KTRB is just a minor stepping stone in his token rehabilitation since his last gross offense, and before his next one). If they follow the KNBR mode of parlaying a loudmouth (Rush, in their case) into more listeners and then retrenching the all-sports model, then fans who want an alternative sports radio outlet might win out in the end.

Everybody's got a little light under the sun.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Apr 30, 2010 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

FWIW, the Phillies have a similar situation

Their flagship is “The Big Talker” 1210 AM, which features Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Michael Smerconish. Then they also broadcast Phillies PXP. Philly has 2 other all-sports stations, the KNBR equivalent, WIP, which has the 76ers and Flyers, and a recent ESPN-affiliated one with a weak signal that’s a distant second. Iggles games are carried on an FM classic-rock station (!); last year, the big sports station, WIP, picked them up as well in simulcast.

So, this kind of weirdness happens outside the Bay Area, too.

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by Nick on Apr 30, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The Rays have a similar situation here.

I would also posit that sports and conservative politics are not so divorced from one another. More football than baseball, but…yeah.

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by Leopold Bloom on Apr 30, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

If you're talking about the players, as opposed to the fans,

baseball is more politically conservative than football. This has been observed in analyses of political contributions that are public record.

Of the fans, there is not conclusive data that I’m aware of.

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by iglew on May 1, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

My "evidence" of football would anecdotal, at best.

But football fans that I’ve known tend to skew more conservative.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

On another note,

The AM dial is chock full of conservative commentary. They’ve dominated AM radio for many years now, which also happens to be where most sporting events are carried.

In any event, this post caused me to consider iglew’s commentary on generational influence from a few days ago. The Boomers are generally a liberal leaning group. I guess I would be considered one of the Reagan Democrats as my age bracket followed closely on their heels. I bring this up because it strikes me that most youth rebel against what they perceive as their parents entrenched notions of right and wrong. It’s odd to me, because I’ve become much more conservative as I’ve gotten older. I just assumed that having three daughters will naturally have that affect on a father. I’d have considered myself very liberal at 19, but not nearly so now. Not that I’m a card carrying conservative now. The RNC wouldn’t have me, but neither would the DNC. What’s striking to me is how conservative my daughters are. My oldest would make Dick Cheney weep with joy and hope for the future. Eh, I’m not complaining mind you. They’ve all made it to their twenties drug free, pregnancy free, going to school etc etc. In a strange way, going by iglew’s criteria, my generation hasn’t given them much to rebel against one way or the other I suppose.

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by alox on May 1, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

exalting apathy will do that.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess.

But I seem to recall we were greedy. “Greed is Good” and all that. Eh, time clouds the mind I suppose. Anyways, I was kind of wondering if any other parents out there have had similar experiences.

But if you’re correct, then based on my experience, all I can say is, “Long Live Apathy”.

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by alox on May 1, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

huh.

Maybe you’re a bit older.

I’m slacker through and through. I’m all growed up, I’m overeducated, I’ve held jobs. I’d still rather do nothing to something seven days a week and twice on Friday.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I too am a slacker.

It’s just that I’ve grown accustomed to eating and sleeping indoors. So I picked a long term employment option filled with tedious hours of boredom punctuated by occasional fright. So far, so good.

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by alox on May 1, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right, but

that probably ain’t the characterization most of us imagine when we think of your profession.

Everybody's got a little light under the sun.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on May 1, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terror is the overriding emotion.

Ever present and always lying just beneath the surface. Things go to shit faster than you could ever imagine.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 3, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I too am a slacker.

It’s just that I’ve grown accustomed to eating and sleeping indoors. So I picked a long term employment option filled with tedious hours of boredom punctuated by occasional fright. So far, so good.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 1, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

is that like 9 ways to Sunday?

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by Buck Turgidson on May 1, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The boomers are hardly liberal

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by designatedforassignment on May 1, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were when they were 20.

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by iglew on May 2, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I propose that we respond to political talk on the A's station

by boycotting games at the Coliseum! Who’s with me?

Hello?

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by Nico on Apr 30, 2010 9:03 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

The number you have dialed is no longer in service.

If you’d like to make a call, please hang up and try again.

by LoneStranger on Apr 30, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Adam got that message

when he dialed “1” but Eve had changed her number because she “just wasn’t that into him anymore.”

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by Nico on Apr 30, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

+48%

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by louismg on Apr 30, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Done! and ...Done!!

Stayed away this entire week!!

Take that! KTRB!

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by One won lost won on Apr 30, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yippee! Political talk...

I can’t get banned for what I say in here! That being said… I think Michael Savage is an idiot. He represents no one like me, who just wants to cut public employee payrolls by 40%. And, end their special PERS pension plans and make them join Social Security like Barak Obama and the rest of their idols.

Oopps… I’m sorry, did I go too far?

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by FoolshGame22 on May 1, 2010 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

A little.

How is Eric Byrnes these days?

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by louismg on May 1, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, if it is just about Eric... then, perhaps I did....

because he was included in the players Beane couldn’t keep a hold of:

Carlos Gonzales
Andre Either
Eric Byrnes
Miguel Tejada
Barry Zito

There were more, but for whatever reason, I couldn’t post it.

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by FoolshGame22 on May 1, 2010 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

btw, what did i say that was a little too much for you...

in this political talk thread?

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by FoolshGame22 on May 1, 2010 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, if

"I’m actually a disgrace to myself right now." - Sean Gallagher (quoting me after a night out on the town)

by FoolshGame22 on May 1, 2010 2:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Fingers crossed for a Ken Korach show in the AM.

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--Coach Clark

by carp on May 1, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

dreamy!

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Congratulations for KTRB to have Michael Savage on their Station

     It is amazing that sweeping generalizations about the A’s viewer/listenership gets so bent out of shape over “political” commentary by Dr. Savage. Too often I read on AN how so many don’t respect his views. Fine. Change the station. His show is much more than politics if one wants to listen, and he does carry views that many A’s fans do agree with.

     The fact is, his show gets preempted by A’s programming and to be fair to his listenership, they get to catch up in the morning to hear him on delay. KNBR carried Rush Limbaugh for years and it didn’t affect anything related to the Giants.

     The ability to exercise “free speech” comes with all sorts of attachments, especially if you are doing it on a venue such as this one. The guidelines are clear about offensive language and " blog behavior" which is totally appropriate. Too often, many on this site can’t help themselves to taking a shot at Michael Savage’s show and their comments are tangential and non sequitur to anything pertaining to the A’s. Once again, if you happen to hear him and he said something you don’t agree with, change the dial on your radio. If not, then listen. On AN, what has made this blog great has been the divergence of opinion from so many perspectives. The love for our team is deep and let’s not forget how we felt as A’s fans when AN didn’t exist. It was as if we were alone to our thoughts about a team that didn’t get it’s due respect from the predominant bay area media outlets.

     If Savage’s show makes KTRB more prominent and successful. Great. Maybe it will allow KTRB to broaden their airwaves for A’s games beyond dusk so that we can hear games throughout northern California into the evening.

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by Gerard on May 1, 2010 7:37 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

In this context, I only have issue with Michael Savage

when he either disrupts the flow of A’s context (like this week on the west coast when KTRB vacillated between not playing Chris Townsend’s pregame and running Savage’s rebroadcast from the morning between the pregame show and the game itself) or when his commercials play during A’s broadcasts.

I have no opinion on AN as to the politics of Michael Savage, nor to his methods. However, the commercials they run are both high in decibels and rhetoric, and destroy the placidity of baseball for me. They would be completely capable of running promotional advertising for his show without rhetoric, but they chose instead the more caustic bits and play them in the commercials every three innings or so.

Other than that, yes, I can turn it off with no issues whatsoever. There are these areas though where his presence is not ignorable.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Then I'd say that that is a small price to pay for

A’s fandom. I’m all for KTRB broadening its reach, sans Michael Savage or not. I think we’re locked into a ten year deal with these guys. Hopefully they know what they’re doing and the market will bear them out. Because I do love hearing me some A’s baseball.

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by alox on May 1, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose it does.

But I think another poster pointed out that Savage is a big draw who won’t stick with them for very long. If that is so, then I can understand their reasoning for the dual programming in the short term. I hope they’re correct and end up drawing in listeners. Like I said, I’m happy to have a long term radio solution for the A’s. I want them to succeed, and if that means I pay the “horrible” price of having my ears assaulted by Savage, Franken, etc etc., then I’m okay with it.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 1, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly I don't see a method, sir.

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by Buck Turgidson on May 1, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Terminate the Colonel's command with extreme prejudice.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

nothing against Mr. Savage

but if you are not a MD, don’t call yourself dr. that’s just dumb.

You make a good point Gerald

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on May 1, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a very educated men.

He earned that degree,

That still does not mean I wish to hear his caustic rhetoric during the game.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate

that he earned it, but I just have a problem with calling PhD.s Dr. I would like that reserved for people that make my tummy feel better.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on May 1, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I might have to call you Dr. Ed from this point forward.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 1, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give you my Matt Holliday face then

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on May 1, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh please please please!

Show us your Matt Holiday face! Please! (Biafra font)

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by Buck Turgidson on May 1, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

like Dr. Laura?

ugh, now you want to talk about a “Divisive” radio personality.

by rollierollieOxenfree on May 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Dr. Laura can hardly be classified as “divisive”. But she can be classified as a “real” DR. as she has a PHD in psychology. Does mental health fit your billet for what qualifies as a Doctor?

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Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on May 2, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

catty

Well, if Dr. Laura ever used some medicine on her show, then yes. But all she does is act like a 1950’s grandmother and talks in a catty abusive tone to her “patients”, so I don’t think she’s really taking advantage of that medicinal background of hers.

but alas, this strays far from the A’s-related content this site is supposed to talk about.

by rollierollieOxenfree on May 2, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could use more

1950’s grandmothers in this country now days. Maybe then more men would begin to act like men and take care of their children, hold a job etc. That is the problem with society today is that there is no such thing as shame anymore. It is “politically incorrect” to make someone feel bad, or to call them out for irresponsible behavior. There is nothing “catty” about personal responsibility….

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Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on May 2, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's nothing really new though.

It’s just easier to be called out on it now.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on May 2, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ewww

I can’t believe that woman, 1 is a Dr, and 2 has her own radio show.

by sf drift king on May 4, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vince Cotroneo

is the single most offensive thing on KTRB.

You can easily turn off Savage without missing any A’s coverage. Not listening to Cotroneo would involve me missing half of every game.

The simple act of changing the station, even every day, would involve less cumulative effort on your part than authoring and commenting in this Fanpost and, unlike this writing this Fanpost, it will actually solve your problem.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 1, 2010 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Some also like to interact with others

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by Buck Turgidson on May 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t see the CGV that many are insinuating. KTRB is part of the fan experience at this point, and Savage is part of that. Ergo, it’s relevant to the A’s. But then again, Savage doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Frankly, I don’t understand the notion that I have some inherent right not to hear something I may or may not find “offensive”. Whatever the hell that means these days.

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by alox on May 1, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

While I appreciate the patronizing comment

This post is interesting to me, both as an A’s fan, and as someone who is consistently fascinated by the unnecessarily sensitive community guidelines here and the inconsistent enforcement of them.

I do like listening to opposing viewpoints. I don’t like listening to a horrible play-by-play. Both are on KTRB. Isn’t this post supposedly about the content on KTRB and the listening audience’s opinions regarding that content? Am I only allowed to engage in debate surrounding the merits of the existence of the Michael Savage show as it relates to louismg’s interpretation of KTRB’s claim that they have sports format?

I’m not really understanding your narrow criteria for posting a comment in this thread.

it’s really simple to ignore the posts that one isn’t interested in

To your point, it would have “really simple” for you to ignore my comment if you didn’t like it. But I suppose a spoonful of condescension helps the medicine go down.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 1, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

This place is really pretty laid back

And most folks would like to keep it that way. This post isn’t gratuitous in any way that I can see.

I appreciate your opinion on Cotroneo – but really isn’t he better than he used to be? Or is he backsliding?

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by Buck Turgidson on May 1, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Controneo

This is all my personal preference and opinion.

He doesn’t have the pipes for broadcasting sports. When there is an exciting play, his voice doesn’t gradually build to the action it just goes from conversational to what sounds like panic. Two big moments that he kind of sullied for me were Nick Swisher’s inside-the-park HR and Scutaro’s bases-loaded double in the ALDS.

He often describes plays in confusing sequences. Yesterday, for instance, there was a fly ball between Paterson and Davis. To paraphrase:

“Davis and Patterson both persuing, who is it going to be? Patterson or Davis? And it’s . . . Patterson! . . . giving way to Davis who makes the catch.” I actually think he has a hard time following the action sometimes. I don’t think he would have called that play that way on purpose.

I also didn’t like his constant hammering on Jack Cust to “swing the bat” because he was in an RBI slot in the order. I don’t find his analysis to veer at all from traditional baseball “conventional wisdom”. He’s pretty flippant towards the mention of non-traditional statistics, which is not uncommon, but he doesn’t bring anything else to the table so it’s magnified in my eyes.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 1, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Controneo is really bad

The other night I listened to him for half an inning. I have no idea what happened. Apparently there was a guy on first and a hard line drive and an out. Took me 5 minutes to figure out who got out and where or why. It’s mindlessness trying to do PxP.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on May 1, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

VC

will be the next to go..

by sf drift king on May 4, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure how bad he used to be

I lived out of radio range for many years and didn’t have much exposure to his calls, but he is really terrible now. Shockingly bad for a big league announcer. His voice is too thin for the job, and he seems to try to compensate for this by just getting louder at key moments. His play-calling is horribly disjointed and confused, like he can’t keep up with what’s going on.

And even after a complicated play has ended and he has time to get his wits about him, he fails to fill in the blanks of what happened. As an example, whenever there is more than one runner on base, and there is a play involving one of the runners (he scores or gets thrown out or whatever), Cotroneo invariably fails to inform the listener what happened with the other runner. Did he move up? One base or two? We have to deduce it ourselves, because he just assumes we can see it somehow. It drives me crazy.

I’m sure he’s a decent guy, but he does not have the skills for his job, and the contrast with the excellent Korach makes it even more glaring.

by Glorious Mundy on May 1, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry you thought my point was condescending

I was responding to your comment. We have had many discussions on AN about Cotroneo. Some fans don’t like him, while others think he’s fine or at least tolerable. But we were discussing KTRB’s seemingly contradictory policy of switching from political talk to an all sports format because the first didn’t get enough rathings, and then turning around and allowing the chief sports programming they have to be interrupted and pre-empted at times by a political talk show.

It seemed that you were pretty dismissive of Louis’ fanpost and the discussion. So my suggestion was to ignore it and move on to one that interests you more. No one expects people here to be interested in every topic of discussion, but it’s not necessary for you to be so dismissive of fans who want to discuss this topic.

by OaklandSi on May 1, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since when is disagreeing with a strongly asserted opinion unaccepptable?
We have had many discussions on AN about Cotroneo. Some fans don’t like him, while others think he’s fine or at least tolerable.

I mean this entirely without sarcasm: I had no idea that there was a moratorium on Controneo comments. If that was the case, then you could have just told me that, or deleted my comment.

louismg says having Savage on KTRB bothers him. I say having Vince Controneo on KTRB is much worse and harder to avoid. I don’t think I veered too far off the path with that one. A tangent maybe, but one degree of separation from the main post seems perfectly reasonable and not at all out-of-the-ordinary.

But we were discussing KTRB’s seemingly contradictory policy of switching from political talk to an all sports format because the first didn’t get enough rathings, and then turning around and allowing the chief sports programming they have to be interrupted and pre-empted at times by a political talk show.

Right, and I disagree for the following reasons:

He’s presenting the argument that the programming is not sports, and therefore is in some sort of conflict with the station’s claim to be a sports station. This is despite the fact 19 hours of most days are devoted to sports. Also, as others have mentioned above, that programming mix is not really a contradiction nor is it unique.

The other statement I find troubling, is the suggestion that he is somehow suffering because sometimes he leaves KTRB on in his car the night before and then has to suffer through agonizing seconds of Savage before he changes the channel. This is presented as something that KTRB should somehow rectify.

My original post was suggesting that he change the station. It’s a completely reasonable solution to his problem. Sometimes people don’t realize that it’s easier to take responsibility for what you can control rather expending more energy on asking others to conform to your preferences. Sometimes they do realize it, but would rather leverage that small problem into a platform for a politically motivated agenda. Which is it in this cased?

It’s not like this post couldn’t be reasonably interpreted as a call to remove someone from the air just because the poster believes that Savage’s politics conflict with the majority of A’s fans’. I find that assumption, while possibly true, predictably inflammatory.

It seemed that you were pretty dismissive of Louis’ fanpost and the discussion. So my suggestion was to ignore it and move on to one that interests you more.

You’re confusing disinterest with disagreement. If you’ve read everything preceding this, I’m sure that you’ll conclude that this topic is of considerable interest to me. Your statement would have made perfect sense if this had been a neutral thread like an AN Day photo thread and I had commented “yawn”. This post, however, was making an assertion and I happened to disagree with that assertion on several levels.

No one expects people here to be interested in every topic of discussion, but it’s not necessary for you to be so dismissive of fans who want to discuss this topic.

I’m not sure which “fans” your speaking of. The only thing remotely “dismissive” about my post regarding the notion that listening to 1050 or 680 instead of Savage was somehow more effort than posting this. Clearly I’m insinuating that this might not be the real problem he’s trying to solve here, but if it really was, then why not just change the station?

Also, this is reason enough to comment:

Please find another way to fill your airtime with something resembling sports. We would be very grateful.

We know that KTRB and A’s employees read this blog. I think it’s important that the dissenting opinions be voiced on these “open letters”, especially one’s like this which are worded as if it was written on behalf all A’s fans. I hope they keep Savage, it gives me a convenient excuse to hear creative arguments that mostly oppose my personal viewpoints. I like to understand everybody’s point-of-view.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

did I say there was a moratorium on talking about Cotroneo?

did I say that disagreeing is unacceptable?

Others here have said that they thought the original fanpost was more about Savage’s politics than about having a political talk show that often interrupts A’s talk. I responded only to yours because of your personal attacks.

by OaklandSi on May 2, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I responded only to yours because of your personal attacks.

That’s not really true though right? I only say that because I didn’t personally attack anyone. Plus, if that was really what you were doing, I assume you would have just said in the first place.

I’m not sure why you’re pressing on with coming after me, but I don’t think anyone is benefiting from it.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 2, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you could have made your original points

without attacking Louis.

And yes, it’s really true that I only responded to you because of your personal attacks.

by OaklandSi on May 2, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I thought you could have made your original points without attacking Louis.

I did precisely that.

And yes, it’s really true that I only responded to you because of your personal attacks.

Actually, you originally insinuated that I had no relevant points, or even an interest in the topic and didn’t mention anything about personal attacks. This is likely due to the fact that my post doesn’t actually contain any personal attacks.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 2, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps this is a product of internet "conversation"

You think I’m insinuating something that I didn’t write, although I’m telling you I didn’t. If I thought you had no relevant point I would have said so quite clearly.

I thought you were going beyond criticizing Louis’ original fanpost and veering into personal attack, which you claim you didn’t.

by OaklandSi on May 2, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah i am not sure where bsd was insulted

but to each their own

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on May 3, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

What would motivate you to pile on after this exchange had finally choked to death on it’s own absurdity?

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 3, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

greed.

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by Future Ed on May 3, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, that’s only one vowel short of a +1. I guess should take what I can get at this point.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 3, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I was attacked, I missed it. :)

Carry on.

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by louismg on May 2, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last quote was from the main post

which is what I was initially responding to.

I give pressure the reach-around.

by bloodsweatndonuts on May 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bravo.

Well said.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on May 2, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cotroneo

meh.

I tune in for baseball. You could have Barry Bonds or Will Clark doing the radio broadcast and it would not faze me.

Go A’s!

by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on May 1, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for writing this post...

savage and his commercials are annoying. I’m treating KTRB like my television; I turn the sound down, during commercials. That’s the opposite reaction the marketing department wants to read about!

His racist, anti-immigrant rants, are offensive.

Go A’s!

by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on May 1, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

that's what I do

I wrote KTBR and told them.

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by Future Ed on May 1, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

SBN fail.

Strikethrough doesn’t work in FanPost subject lines.

The way it appears on my screen, you can’t tell that “not” is crossed out in

This Post Is Not About Politics

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by iglew on May 1, 2010 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Strikethrough failed in a few places.

So I deleted the other items.

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by louismg on May 1, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, what guarantee is there that any new listeners attracted by the format switch would stay for the A’s?

There seems to be a prominent current of “If you don’t like talk radio, turn the dial” here. That’s a perfectly legitimate opinion. But doesn’t the same notion apply to the talk radio listeners? Is there a promise of long-term increase in listenership for the sports side?

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by TheLetter2 on May 1, 2010 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

There are probably studies that show which topics mix well in terms of listeners sticking around.

I wouldn’t be surprised if sports and politics, while different subjects, might attract the same type of personalities.

by LoneStranger on May 1, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree entirely, and I've been complaining of the exact same thing since the spring...

It’s good to see that there are indeed others…..

Is that Embry warming up?....... NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

by iljackb on May 2, 2010 8:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Your premise is greatly flawed

to assume that the political content of Michael Savage “…specifically takes a viewpoint that runs contrary to practically all of the A’s community…”. Number one blanket statements should not be presented without evidence (statistics) to back them up. The population centers in the bay area may be heavily “liberal” but KTBR has a range from Fresno to Vacaville to Stockton which are politically conservative districts. The heart of your argument is not about political content on a “sports” stations, it is your disagreement with the type of political talk that is on that station. This debate honestly has no place on AN as it is not relevant to baseball even remotely. I believe that this post is an attempt to characterize dissenting political views as “divisive, racist, hate speech..” in an order to marginalize opinions that differ from your own. I have no doubt that if Keith Olberman were on KTBR that this post would have never been written. It is laughable that you view opinions that differ from your own so “offensive” that you are forced to turn the station immediately after the game. You are honestly so fearful of political content that you don’t dare listen to the station periodically during the day? I recommend that you completely boycott KTBR just to make sure Michael Savage does not reach through the radio and burn your sensitive little ears with all of his “bigotry and hate speech”.

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by Shippee33 on May 2, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I second that emotion

    KTRB’s demographics reach beyond the bay area and they have every right to whomever they choose to promote their station. Thank G-d for free speech and Michael Savage expresses his opinion(s) daily. We should all be worried when unique viewpoints are codified as threatening by governmental agencies. He has to abide by rules of free speech on the airwaves just as subscribers abide to the rules of conduct by AN.

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by Gerard on May 3, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you both missed the boat if that's what you think his argument is about.

It’s about whether or not a radio station calling itself a “Sports” station should be airing political talk (of any kind) during the day (and in some cases preempting other sports talk). This fan post really had little to do with politics in and of itself but whether political talk should be interspersed with sports radio at all. The OP made the argument that it shouldn’t. Then somehow everyone seemed to grab onto what really looked to me to be a throwaway comment and went nuts over it.

So ask yourself this: If you’re looking for a sports talk radio station, do you really want to hear politics, that you agree with, when you’re turning to the station for it’s primary subject (i.e. sports talk)? I’d say absolutely not. If I’m looking to hear about politics, I’d turn to a political talk radio station. I’m going to the sports talk station for SPORTS TALK. It doesn’t matter that I’m hearing something I agree with. It’s not what I’m tuning in for.

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by DMOAS on May 3, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand what the supposed intent of the post is

But the substance of his post and subsequent comments do not follow that basic premise. And if the post really is about whether political talk should be on a “sports” station, AN is honestly not the appropriate venue for this discussion. Go debate this issue on a KTRB blog or related forum. The connection between the Oakland Athletics and this topic is loose at best (due to the fact that A’s games are aired on the station.) but as you say this argument is about an abstract concept of talk radio as it relates to sports radio.
So that is how the post is framed…Really this thread is a way to bash Michael Savage and stay within the CGV rules on AN. But its your story, tell it how you want to.

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by Shippee33 on May 3, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a load of BS

A) Don’t fault the OP for the substance of what others’ responses take. They took this thread into the direction of MS bashing and the socio-political talk. Was that particular phrase in the post that incited unnecessary and related to those responses, absolutely, but it also wasn’t really what the post was about.

B) It absolutely has a direct connection to the A’s because MS’s show HAS preempted A’s coverage. People tuning for sports and, in particular, the A’s coverage have been inundated with MS Ads (during games) and other political talk instead of pre-game or other sports coverage. The fact that KTRB has a very lengthy contract with the team means this sort of thing could very well occur often depending on what direction the station decides to take in the future.

Ask me about my squirrel.

by DMOAS on May 3, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are completely incorrect

1.75% of the post directly address Michael Savage specifically and “conservative” talk radio in general. This fuels the flames for what the purpose of his post really is about; to bash people with dissenting political views. He generalizes about the political makeup of AN and then goes on a tirade about how offensive Savage is and how “afraid he is to even check on the content of KTBR.” lest he accidentally encounter those evil conservative opinions that may “offend him.”
 
2. It does not have a direct connection to the A’s. The unrelated programming before and after a game has no direct relevance to the team at all. I do not like the “male enhancement.” commercials that we are inundated with during broadcasts either, but that is not a reflection on or relevant to the Oakland Athletics game I am listening to. That is how the station pays the bills, it goes with the territory. It is nowhere in the rules of Major League Baseball that a team must have a pre and post game show, those are nice luxuries that the A’s have not always had the privilege of having. Michael Savage NEVER preempts the Athletics, in fact it is the opposite when the A’s are playing on the east coast. The Savage Nation cuts off before the game starts.

Again to my original point, this post was written to bitch about a political philosophy that the author does not agree with. He generalizes about the political beliefs of AN as a whole with hopes to garner a sympathetic response to his point of view and incite the bashing of Michael Savage.

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Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on May 3, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dIdn't miss the boat, In fact I hate boats

…I get sea-sick.
 
KTRB may very well be after one thing. RATINGS!

Michael Savage gets them ratings as he has a devoted audience (3rd largest in the nation) and that means $$ from sponsorship.

I am sure Lew Wolf and the A’s are indifferent to the likes of the Savage Nation on their dial. If you think about it, the A’s only contribute direct programming for 6 months out of the year.

If the owners of KTRB produce sports programming that would bring in more revenue than Michael Savage’s program, you can be sure they will follow the dollars.

KNBR did the exact same thing many years after they turned to sports programming by bringing Rush on in the am from 9-12. Their ratings soared.

My ultimate response to KTRB (for which I am grateful to hear Savage) is…big fat hairy deal regarding doing what they thought best for their programming. If they brought in someone I didn’t like… and I am not crazy about some of their sports hosts, I simply tune out.

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by Gerard on May 5, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Louis?

Wrong. This post was about politics.

by IM4Oakgal on May 2, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

The comments were. The post was more about radio. :)

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by louismg on May 2, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Omigod, I so totally agree with Louisgm --

I HATE Fred Savage!!!!!! Sooooooooo annoying.

-Cindi

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 2, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you know

That Fred Savage is a director on “Its always sunny in Philadelphia”? Maybe that is why the Phillies are defending NL champions. Also ECW was based out of philly which is equally as awesome (Mike Awesome?)…. What a savage city.

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by Shippee33 on May 2, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when Mike Awsome jumped to WCW while still the ECW champion,

and then WCW, fearing legal discourse allowed Awesome to go back to ECW for one match to drop the belt…. to Tazz, former ECW champion and [at the time] current WWE employee? Good times.

by LoneStranger on May 2, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The worst part about it is

How WCW booked Mike Awesome as the “fat chick thriller” and “that 70’s guy”. Awesome was one of the greatest big men in the history of the business and the “Fuckin Awesome bomb” was second to none. Now days Hernandez in TNA reminds me of Awesome as he is a very agile big man, but he is not nearly as devastating. R.I.P Mike Awesome there will never be another like him…

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Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on May 2, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Hernandez could be made more devastating, with the right push.

The other big guy in TNA, Matt Morgan, doesn’t really have exactly the look in my opinion. Well, maybe it’s his speaking style more than his looks. If he kept his mouth shut and just kicked ass, he might be more fear-inducing.

Are you finding TNA to be way more interesting to watch than WWE these days? I sure am.

by LoneStranger on May 2, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yea by far

TNA is really the only wrestling that is worth watching now days. I usually watch it less during Baseball season, but 2007-2009 sure did give me some idle time to switch over to Raw, Impact, Smackdown etc. I like Morgans new gimmick where he refers to himself as “we”. I think LAX is going to reform and take the titles from Morgan in a few weeks.

"I Will Not Relent, I Am Driven"... Clutch
Bring Back The Bash!!!

by Shippee33 on May 3, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, I expect that too. Hernandez has been in Mexico, working on building up the TNA name down there.

I’d love for a contingent of luchadores to show up on TNA and try to take over. It’s the best shot at that kind of angle that there is in wrestling right now. The TNA wrestlers could retaliate and show up in AAA. A dual-branded PPV could come out of it. Bischoff was always a big proponent of cruiserweight/luchadore style wrestling and while chances of this happening are probably slim, I wouldn’t be surprised if it did.

by LoneStranger on May 4, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Louis GM?

Sign me up.

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by louismg on May 2, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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