Urban: Suzuki is Baseball's MUP
Despite a skillset that makes him the AL's best catcher not named Joe Mauer, the A's Kurt Suzuki remains the game's most underrated player.
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I don’t know if he’s baseball most underrated player overall because I haven’t put enough thought into it, but he’s easily he most underrated catcher in the league.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions
MUC
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Is that a bad thing?
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Really?
I never understood this “Kurt Suzuki is underrated” meme. It’s nice he plays 150 games a year, but he’s not a good hitter, and is probably still just above average once you factor in that he’s a catcher. Last year his wOBA was 13 points lower than Miguel Olivo’s, and while his defense is plus, I don’t know anyone who considers it elite. I don’t see how anyone would prefer Suzuki to Posada, VMart, Napoli (who actually might be the most underrated player in the game…and is definitely the most underrated player by Mike Scioscia), or Matt Wieters. I also think he’s rated pretty damn highly around baseball.
I don't think he's the 2nd best catcher in the AL, but he is one of the best.
Being able to go out and play almost everyday as a catcher is an underrated skill. The A’s had the 5th best offense for the catcher position in 2009. When you factor in defense it was probably about 3rd best as the NY and Boston catchers are pretty much terrible defensively.
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
I agree
Playing 140-150 games a year is a huge bonus, but I still wouldn’t call Suzuki underrated. I also think 3rd is a stretch when you figure VMart’s season was split beween two teams, Wieters didn’t have a full year behind the plate, and Napoli would play more if it wasn’t for Scioscia’s bizarre infatuation with Jeff Mathis. Napoli and Wieters are also both good defensively.
Also, Suzuki is pretty much universally loved inside and outside the organization, when the A’s play other teams they refer to “Kurt Suzuki and the A’s” (which is kind of sad, but that’s beside the point). He’s a good player, but I wouldn’t call him underrated.
Is there a way to quantify a catchers game calling skills?
I wonder if rating a catcher by his hitting or defense is as relevant as his ability to help pitchers develop and pitch a good game? And if game calling is that important, how can it be assessed and weighted compared to other parts of his game?
Not without inside information
Every pitcher/catcher go into a game with scouting and a plan to attack hitters including the 2nd and 3rd time through lineups (for starters). Various people have input to those. The calling part is responding to what goes on in the game and using and/or altering that plan. Of course people have tried and declared statistical analysis proves it to be insignificant.
I've read that about game calling skill
not being quantifiable. If game calling was not a skill then anyone could do it and any pitch could be called that the pitcher could toss and it would have no affect on the outcome. Somehow I find that unsatisfactory. The more I study this game the more I see missing pieces in my understanding.
That's why you actually learn:
The more I study this game the more I see missing pieces in my understanding.
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Not a good hitter??
Really? please provide some statistical facts. As an Angels fan and a fan of Napoli, I would be happy for a straight up trade of Naps for Suzuki.
by Wally's World on Mar 22, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Suzuki
I think critics would point out his .313 on-base percentage. It was .346 in 2008, but his slugging was higher in 2009 (.421) than in 2008 (.370) and so that’s a good sign. I’d call him a very solid hitter and a pretty good one for a catcher.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 23, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm
I know this is from a while ago, but I just saw this now and….thank you for proving my point. I know this is a simplistic way of looking at it, but Mike Napoli has an .850 career OPS and has thrown out 23% of potential basestealers. Suzuki has a .727 career OPS and has thrown out 29% of potential basestealers. When you factor in durability, park effects, and whatever mystical game-calling abilities you want to attribute to Suzuki (though it should be noted that the Angels have managed to fleece out some solid performances from Matt Palmer and various other retreads these past few years), it closes the gap some, but a 120 point gap in OPS, is, to use the technical term, “a lot.” I think it’s at the very least reasonable to suggest Napoli is better Suzuki, yet the consensus among fans and baseball people alike seems to be Suzuki is MUCH better than Napoli. Hence, I think it’s difficult to stick Suzuki with an overrated tag.
I guess MUP is better than MOOP.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 20, 2010 12:59 AM PDT reply actions
Or MILF
{Middle Infielder i’d Like to Flip}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I thought that was
“Manager I’d Like to Fire”
"Cheese is the fruit juice nature intended."- The Reverend Billy Lard
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