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BREAKING NEWS: Bengie Molina Is Slow (Plus Other Stuff)

So it all started when someone suggested that Bengie Molina was a better hitter than Jack Cust, and I set out to show otherwise. Showing otherwise, it turned out, consisted of mentioning that in almost every meaningful category (OBP, SLG, HRs, OPS), Jack Cust's worst season was better than Bengie Molina's best season.

That's when a statistic jumped out and caught my eye: Bengie Molina has 3 career stolen bases. How is this possible? They've done some rather extensive studies on Bengie Molina's speed, including one study in which Molina was observed in a race with a one-legged blind nun, a 93 year old with a walker, a snail on ice skates, Betty White, and continental drift, and came in only fourth.

One stolen base I could understand -- that would mean that one day, Molina broke for second base and the catcher was unable to contain his fits of laughter long enough to make a throw. But 3? How could this be?

My theory is that one day, somehow Molina woke up with an extra burst of energy and just knew he could do something special, so he "seized the day," and after singling, he promptly stole 2B, 3B, and home. Now some of you will point out that Molina's 3 career stolen bases did not all come in the same season, but really that still makes sense as you can't expect Bengie to get from 1B all the way around the bases in one year.

Anyway, Cust has 4 career stolen bases, so there.

But the player I really want to talk about right now is Jamey Carroll. Join me after the jump.

Star-divide

It seems unlikely that a team would sign Jamey Carroll on purpose, so when the A's went after him I was reduced to one of two conclusions:

One is that the A's mistakenly thought he was J. B. Carroll, that they were running a basketball team, and that they should evaluate talent about as well as the Warriors do.

The other is that the A's have finally come around to one of my pet ideas for gaining a competitive advantage in the art of winning an unfair game. Some players have exceptional bat control to go with excellent strike zone judgment and can swat strikes foul pretty much at will (or at sam or at louie). Why not send such a player up to poke strike after strike foul until he (likely) walks or perhaps finally puts a ball into play accidentally around the 12th-15th pitch? Such a player, if the skill were developed sufficiently, might consistently be able to significantly mess up the pitch count for the opposing starter. Give him 2 ABs to sabotage around 25%-30% of the pitcher's pitch count before leaving for a pinch hitter if need be. He might even have a .350 OBP along the way, which would just be gravy, or groovy (and actually somewhat grievey if it were .367).

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that very many hitters could pull this off -- I'm suggesting that it's a very specific skill set that a Jamey Carroll type (hmm...Is Cliff Pennington that type?) might be able to develop in order to make himself uniquely valuable. I mean, how much more valuable would Pennington be if he could just average 14 pitches per plate appearance to go with his current ability?

Cliff Pennington: Foul Machine. Get Skaaaaaaaaaaaaalan on it.

Also, in away games the A's should make Jake Fox or Eric Chavez their first inning "pinch hitted." A pinch hitted is the guy who "pre pinch hits" for the guy who's really going to play. Say one of them leads off at SS while Pennington doesn't start. In the bottom of the 1st, Pennington is the defensive replacement and the rest of the lineup is set so that the 2-9 is a good 1-8 when the lineup rolls over, e.g.:

Chavez/Fox --> Pennington - SS
Barton - 1B
Sweeney - RF
Kouzmanoff - 3B
Cust - DH
Davis - LF
Suzuki - C
Ellis - 2B
Crisp - CF

The idea is that by hitting in the 1st inning, Chavez/Fox won't suffer the penalty that pinch hitters face when the come into the game cold in the 8th or 9th inning, and this isn't a player you are planning on using as a defensive replacement late in the game -- instead his role is to turn Pennington into a better hitter by weighting about 20% of his stats to his superior ones. Maybe he turns a .240/.320/.380 hitter into a .260/.330/.420 hitter with 9 innings of Pennington's defense. The amazing Cliff Pennington v2.0: 50 more points of OPS and all the defense!

Of course I'm making up the numbers and it's a stupid idea, but I still like it. And you will too, when Pennington comes up in the 3rd inning for his first at bat -- and fights off 16 pitches before drawing a walk.

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Hilareous

Nothing like a good chuckle 1st thing in the morning.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

just goes to show

any baseball player – even Bengie – can steal a base if the opposing team forgets he’s there.

by OaklandSi on Feb 6, 2010 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

He's the best....

At turning triples into singles

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You mean all those tweeners he hits into "singles alley"?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

singles alley

Priceless! a term only fitting for Bengie.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

they basically ignored him

the moral of the story is: baserunners should be alert for opposing pitchers and other infielders who simply forget about them and allow them to take an extra base. I think at least a couple of Cust’s SB last season were of this variety.

by OaklandSi on Feb 6, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

A few things

  Carroll is a better bat then most people think. He plays 3 positions and is a good hitter. A good utility guy is why Beane wanted him. Molina is a slow Jack Cust. Molina is a better hitter but just can’t get to first fast enough so he gets thrown out on anything that never makes it out the infield. Defense can play way back and cut off his that otherwise make it out of the infield. I remember the A’s did use your PH in first inning way back in the 80s. It ws a Billy Martin thing to leadoff the game with a PHer.

by Arcman on Feb 6, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

Bengie's career OBP is .308

Apparently he’s a slow Jack Cust who consistently can’t beat out infield hits walks.

Yes, the A’s did the PHing trick with Chicken Stanley, inserting Stanley for defense in the bottom of the 1st. Billy Ball!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish he would be...

Bunt nearly every time they shift him.

Then, they stop shifting him…

Why is this rocket science?

It may be painful to his ego to bunt so much, but it will sure pad his batting average!

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

wait wait wait
Molina is a better hitter but

I thought that the first paragraph of this post convincingly makes the point that there is no universe where Bengie is a better hitter than Cust. Maybe you mean that he makes contact more often? That’s true, but when you are swinging at 43.9%(!!!) of pitches out of the zone, that contact isn’t really very good.

by colin on Feb 6, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

average wise Molina is better and

 if he had just Jack Cust speed he could leg out another 10 hits. Next time you watch a giants game noticed how the infield moves way back on Molina. The guy is a DP waiting to happen if someone is on first.

by Arcman on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

the guy is a DP waiting to happen

how does that make him a good hitter?

by colin on Feb 6, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

not good

  better hitter average wise. Lets face it if Molina wasn’t a defensive catcher then he would not be playing baseball for a living. Just like Cust had no power he would be out of baseball also. Neither of them I would call a good hitter.

by Arcman on Feb 6, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

what does "average wise" really mean?

Lets face it: it means 10 more singles a year. When he was getting those singles, Cust had gotten 3 and walked 25 times.

by PL78 on Feb 6, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

batting average..

  Did you miss any of the post? You came to late for the post now you are lost..

by Arcman on Feb 6, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Saying someone is a better hitter average wise doesn't really mean anything.

All too often, it’s just going to mislead people when you go to analyze a player’s complete offensive contributions.

E.g, Alex Sanchez is a much better hitter than both Cust and Molina average wise. Doesn’t mean shit though.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 6, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex Sanchez was probably quite literally

the worst career .300 hitter in major league history.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

of course

  Saying jack cust is a better hitter because he walks more and strike out more means you have a man crush on Cust. Some of you get a woody everytime Cust comes to the plate is just plain scary. Baseball better get here quick because some of you are going completely crazy.

by Arcman on Feb 6, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I love how my comment about batting average not meaning anything

somehow translates into OMFG I LOVE JACK CUST111 (and I get a boner every time he steps up to the plate!!!!!)

Yeah, I guess some people really are going crazy.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 7, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

YAHOO! I'M CUCKOO FOR CUSTY PUFFS!

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to link back to this thread every time I see someone refer to statistical types as rude or arrogant

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 7, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Except I doubt anyone agrees with Arcman

(his tone OR his conclusions).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 7, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Nico

  but I find a few people here as being arrogant and rude. You make a statement and somebody just sits there and rips you and changes exactly whet you said. So I am to take it and say nothing? Where are you when I have had smack talked down to. You said nothing to that person but now jump on me? Paul Thomas just loves to rip and talk down to many of the people here and you say nothing to him. Thats BS.

by Arcman on Feb 7, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I find the notion that I'm receiving some kind of special treatment rather humorous

I’ve had my share of run-ins with AN’s administration. As far as I’m concerned, it’s water under the bridge. But it’s hardly true that my comments are immune to scrutiny.

You really need to take a step back and realize that people attacking the validity of your argument because it’s poorly phrased, unclear and/or just factually off, is not “ripping” and “talking down” to you.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 8, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a good example

  Sorry paul for putting your name in it. I am tired of how some here just post to attack a post. All I said was Molina is a better hitter avg wise. Then you get post saying what is avg wise. And then the put downs happen. I don’t jump on their fan post that make no sense at all and will never happen but lately it is like a pack of vultures looking for 1 mistake in a post and its attack time. Stats are just what they are and some people feel their stat is more importain then any other stat out there. Only thing is there are no one true stat that is above all else since baseball has to many undefine events that can alter any conclusion.

by Arcman on Feb 8, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's hope Gabe Gross is really good at fouling off pitches

Beane has had an interesting off-season.
The solid: Kousmanoff deal and the re-signing of Duke to an incentive-loaded contract.

The confusing: Signing Crisp (.228)and Gross.( .239) feels like mediocracy, duplication that team already had. Rosales ( .213 ) — you actually have to trade for guys that hit .213?

Swinging for the fences: Sheets is risky and expensive, but could pay off big. Wallace for Taylor rids the team of a proven mlb-ready hitter that is a poor fielder for a more raw huge upside position of need.

DHs a plenty: re-signing Cust and trading for Fox gives a couple guys they don’t really want in the field, but at least they hit. Chavez could fit this category too depending on his health.

All-in-all, Beane made a ton of moves, didn’t give up much, and gave A’s fans something to talk about.

by BlueMoon on Feb 6, 2010 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

conspiracy theory

Blez had Beane make all these moves to drive additional traffic on AN…

and somehow this occured behind the grassy knoll.

by rollierollieOxenfree on Feb 6, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

This seems silly.
The confusing: Signing Crisp (.228)and Gross.( .239) feels like mediocracy, duplication that team already had. Rosales ( .213 ) — you actually have to trade for guys that hit .213?

Do you really believe Beane signed/signed/traded for Crisp, Gross and Rosales because of their batting averages? A more logical look at this shows that Beane signed Crisp and Gross because they are stellar defenders and Rosales because he can competently play 2B, 3B, SS, and OF while offering slightly below average offense and isn’t named Aaron Miles (the awful player they traded to get Rosales).

by Opus Youngblood on Feb 6, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Beane is so cutting edge that . . .

Is Beane so cutting edge that rather than address weaknesses (hitting) he focusses on other tangibles? Seriously, if CoCo, Gross and Rosales had trouble hitting at their respective parks they’re going find Oakland Coliseum a challenge.

I’m just saying it’s an odd strategy. I’m on board to see how it works out.

by BlueMoon on Feb 6, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There was some..

analysis done on Fangraphs or BA (forgot) which basically reinforced the assertion that offensively challenged teams should better invest in more defense as opposed to offense, especially to compliment strong pitching.

If i find that link, i’ll post it up for you….

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

by ST on Feb 6, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Are people really using batting average as a basis for making a point?

that would be very silly if true. At least use OPS or something, holy hell is it out of touch to care about batting average.

by PL78 on Feb 6, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Batting average is still useful for telling you what KIND of a hitter someone is

It’s just not useful for telling you how GOOD of a hitter they are.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

BA is kind of like UZR

you need a much bigger sample to decide what their true level is in that given stat. Over the course of a career though, a .300 hitter will be a .300 hitter, give or take a little bit. random fluctuations smooth out over time.

"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty

by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree batting average does not tell the whole story but . . .

2009 World Champs:
Jeter .334, Cano .320, Texiera .292, A-Rod .286, Posada .282, Damen .282, Matsui .274, Cabrea .274, Swisher .249.

These guys hit a lot HRs and they play in a good hitter’s park, but a respectable average at least says you don’t suck.

by BlueMoon on Feb 6, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Scott Posednik and Luis Castillo both had batting averages over .300

Would you take them over Teixeira, Rodriguez, Posada, etc.?

Hell, Yuniesky Betancourt and Bengie Molina both have career averages above .275. You can have a respectable batting average and still be a pretty bad hitter.

by Opus Youngblood on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Dickweed

Why don’t you read the post you are responding to?

by BlueMoon on Feb 6, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You might try reading the community guidelines

or, like, Miss Manners.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

She actually wrote them

That’s why each paragraph begins, “Gentle reader,”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't you mean "Gentle Dickweed"?

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I get it

Dickweed is a very powerful word.

by BlueMoon on Feb 7, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Growth... I like it...

maybe you’re not a troll after all!

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

Suketto, what’s the story with your name? I understand it means “benchwarmer or back-up player” in Japanese. Am I missing something? Personal signifigance to you?

by BlueMoon on Feb 7, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Gaijin_Suketto translates to one of two things...

foreign helper, or foreign devil helper.

The idea, back in the day, was that American players would come over to Japan, put up some numbers, stay in the background, and let the Japanese players revel in the victories and be the public faces of the team in advertising and on television…

The term is archaic. Nowadays, the Japanese inferiority complex in baseball is dying, due to Japanese victories on the national stage, as well as multiple successes in MLB. The foreign player limit has raised, and they are called “Gaitare” now, which translates to “foreign talent”

There’s no great personal significance. I’m not Japanese, nor do I live in Japan, but I am fascinated with Japanese history, culture, and language.

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting screen name

We had a Japanese exchange student live with our family for 2 years. She returned to Japan 10 years ago, but we stay in contact. She tells me people in her country are obsessed with following the careers of their players in MLB. They are very proud of the success japanese players have had ihere.

by BlueMoon on Feb 8, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He did.

And not to speak for him, but I think his point is that this

but a respectable average at least says you don’t suck.

is quite wrong.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 6, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

My name is Freddy Sanchez

and I support this post and Bill Mueller has my back too!

by PL78 on Feb 7, 2010 3:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Ted Williams

is so passe. Really. Frozen head and all. ;o)

by BoyHowdee on Feb 7, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...70% of the time Molina = third out

Whereas 30% of the time Cust = 2 on, 2 out for the next hitter. And he HRs more often.

I’ll take Cust.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Cust IS better...

in all categories but AVG and SO. I’ll take Cust over Molina anyday, but the SO are a concern, and proabably the only reason we are the only club that truley apprieciates what Cust brings to the table.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

well the D-Backs are talking extension with Reynolds

pretty sure he’s got some gaudy K numbers too.

"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty

by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at it this way

every K with a man on base is one less DP opportunity.

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Feb 6, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

oh believe me, that is EXACTLY how I look at it!

esp after following this team for all these years….

Just glad the A’s have never employed “Double Play” Deivi

"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty

by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

very good point

Ks do mean less DP opportunities, but they are also non-productive outs. Even so, Cust is the much better option.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus, with 2 outs and a RISP

a fly out is pretty non-productive too.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

or a double...

turned into a putout by the CF at the wall (throwing Bengie out at 1st)

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

A strikeout is a much more productive out than a first pitch ground out.

I learned this strategy playing PS3. When you have Felix Hernandez at 130 pitches in the 3rd inning, you have a better chance to win.

by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Feb 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Point taken.

K is still a productive out from a pitch count perspective.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

SO are not a concern when there are two outs...

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Obvioulsy I agree with that, but the point I was making

is that in 1 AB in a clutch situation, I’m going with Molina. Across an entire season, Cust will get his numbers though. I don’t know how many of those numbers impact a close game, but he gets his numbers. Ideally Cust is a platoon DH or left handed bat of the bench in the NL.

by Jessse on Feb 6, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

What I'm saying is no, in 1 AB in a clutch situation

you should want Cust unless the batter behind Cust is a worse hitter than Molina. And that’s unlikely.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You keep overlooking the on deck circle

Many, many of Cust’s PAs keep the inning going for the next hitter, with yet another runner on base and a hitter-who’s-better-than-Molina (e.g., Suzuki, Sweeney) at bat.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Just went over and compared Molina and Cust splits

Molina sucks, I change my mind. I don’t know why it felt like Molina was better in the clutch.

by Jessse on Feb 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL. Probably because he usually hits the ball

Unfortunately, that turns out to be one of his biggest weaknesses. Just as Cust’s tendency not to put the ball in play turns out to be one of his biggest strengths.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to AN..

young saber-wan….

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

by ST on Feb 6, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying if Crosby is batting behind him

then we’d be better off with Molina?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 6, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

why would you do that?

Cust has a career 888 OPS with RISP and a 794 one when the bases are empty.
Molina has a 764 OPS with RISP and 700 with them empty.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS MOLINA TO EVER BE CALLED BETTER AT ANYTHING THAN CUST. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE I HATE YOU AND FIND YOU STUPID.

by PL78 on Feb 6, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

to be fair

Molina is better at playing catcher. And there is definitely value to that. But if we are talking about hitting, then I agree with your CAPS LOCK statement.

by colin on Feb 6, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

PL78 you really need

to learn how to express yourself. We cannot tell how you feel if you won’t be clear.

by BoyHowdee on Feb 7, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

why?

Molina makes an out 69.2% of the time, Cust 62.6% of the time.

with 2 out, RISP:
Molina makes the third out 66.4% of the time, Cust 62.5% of the time.

by scatterbrian on Feb 6, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Molina improves drastically and Cust remains the same! Ergo, Molina is clutch!

by speckops on Feb 6, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Something's up with Beane

He’s stockpiling. I respect Beane enough to know that there’s a reason for this. Perhaps planning for unavoidable injuries by laying in a stock of interchangeable, toolsy players is the new inefficiency that he’s looking to exploit. Or there will be some other moves before the beginning of the season. Or the last few seasons have messed with his head, so get off my back, man, I can have as many outfielders and DHs as I want, MAN!

Either that or some of these guys are going to have to play soccer to stay in the organization.

''I love Billy Beane. The only mistake he has ever made was writing that braggy book about himself, and how he's so good at computers.'' - Ken Tremendous

by fridaynightfan on Feb 6, 2010 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

I did think it was odd how Beane praised Crisp's versatility,

saying he can “play LF, CF, or goalie.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

don't forget shooting guard, hole, wing, setter, center forward, and co-pilot.

You can change your job, you can change your wife, you can even change your gender, but you can never change your club.
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
Fear no foe, wherever we go.

by johnjahafanclub on Feb 6, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

That explains all those bumper stickers that say "Coco Crisp is my co-pilot"

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Oops

You forgot about quarterback.

Do you think JaMarcus Russell can play designated hitter?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure he'd love that position

He’d only have to get off the bench 3 or 4 times a game.

"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige

by YonYonson on Feb 6, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Designated fumbler more like it

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Feb 7, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And lead electric triangle...

…that’s for any Monty Python fans out there…

when I find a witty signature, y'all will be the first to know...

by intexile_ on Feb 6, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

we're gonna rock down to, electric avenue, and then we'll take it higher?

"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty

by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

hey

JJFC, ever post on oakball.net?

by oakballnack on Feb 7, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That's funny.

As for Beane, I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this theory on AN before, but maybe he just really likes to trade, takes tremendous pride on his return, and has every other GM so terrified of getting fleeced by him, that he has to overpay to get the guys he wants. Therefore he needs to stockpile minimal assets to give him more flexibility for future trades.

by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Feb 6, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Un-fraid

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me

by padmadfan on Feb 6, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

I think he overpaid on the first Hairston trade. The second trade was more even, making sense for both clubs.

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me

by padmadfan on Feb 6, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This is among the best writing I have read on AN. Thank you and keep it up Nico.

by jamesc on Feb 6, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks -- though you really should thank Bengie and Jamey

for providing such terrific material to work with!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

2 things

1) If, as you jokingly suggest, to PH in the 1st inning, it could be driven by OBP/inning number. I would assume the vet’s have a higher OBP in the 1st inning than a “youngster”, seeing as to how they have more experience reading certain pitchers, etc.

2) compare Cust against our other DH’s of late – Thomas, Durazo. Durrie’s got 7 SB in a 6 year career, and Hurt’s got 32 (in an 18 year career), though his last was 3 SB in 2002 and none since. I laugh to think of the circumstances which induce a DH to steal.

by rollierollieOxenfree on Feb 6, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

oh the ANtics and shenANigans these posters get up to.

Molina slower than tectonic plates? LMAO

"It took eight hours, seven and a half to find the heart"- Earl McCatty

by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Parrish and McHale for "Joe Barely Cares"...

… one of the worst moments in memory for Oakland sports fans.

by A's fan in Raleigh on Feb 6, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Actually...

the Warriors traded Parish to the Celts in return for the #1 pick the Warriors used on JB. The Celtics then selected Mchale with the #3 pick. It’s highly doubtful that Parish would have made any difference playing for the Warriors, but he walked into a pretty good situation in Boston.

JB? I’ve always loved that turn around post up jumper from the boaseline and I used to room with his nephew in Boulder.

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Feb 6, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

JB was a better player than people give him credit for

The league had a ton of great centers back then (Kareem, Parish, Gilmore, Malone, Walton, even Sikma and Laimbeer), and JB had a reputation for being “soft”. But he consistently averaged 20 points and 8 boards a game, and if he did that in today’s game he’d be a perennial all-star. In fact, I just watched a bit of the 1984 All-Star Game (I think that was the year) on the NBA network, and JB was in the game, along with Sleepy Floyd. Also the usual suspects: Magic, Kareem, Doctor J,, Alex English, Moses.

And FWIW JB played great when the W’s beat the Jazz to be the first team to win a 5-game series after losing the first 2 games in about 30 years.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 6, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I hated his best shot: The fadeaway

“Don’t worry I certainly won’t get the rebound” jumper.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, sorry.

it was Parish and the #3 for the #1 and #13 pick which the Warriors used to select the great Rickey Brown.

I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)

by BleedGreen on Feb 7, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd highest Int'l signing for A's since Ynoa and Solano

http://dplbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:dpl-players-feliz-reyes-and-tapia-agree-to-terms-with-major-league-teams&catid=1:latest-news

Michael Feliz, RHP, Oakland Athletics
With an imposing yet projectable 6´4", 200 lb frame, Feliz (16) showed his aptitude for development over the last two months in the DPL. His 91-93 mph fastball exhibits strong downhill plane and movement while his curveball shows nice potential to become an above average secondary pitch. Needless to say, DPL hitters are happy to see him leave the league and get his pro career started. Feliz becomes the first Tainos player to get his professional career started.

by MagicMike23 on Feb 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a team called the Tainos?

Wasn’t that a First Nations tribe that was completely exterminated by the Spanish? That’s sort of vaguely offensive. Though I suppose no more so than, say, the “Trojans.”

Also, wow, he’s 6’4" 200 and claimed to be 16? My reaction to that is twofold: first, I don’t believe a word of it, and second, if he is, that’s a huge talent. Hell, he might be worth signing even if he’s 19 or 20, though obviously he’d not have nearly the upside.

I guess that was actually threefold.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

the people who Columbus met on his first voyage

called out “Taino” to him, which means “good.” It wasn’t what they were called. They were Arawak speaking people; each community called themselves for the area where they lived. However, the word"Taino" stuck and now refers to the dominant indigenous cultural group in the Caribbean at the time of Columbus (there were also other groups).

They were not completely wiped out by the Spanish, but certainly their society was completely disrupted.

by OaklandSi on Feb 6, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So what's the verdict here?

Is there a team called the Tainos? Or is this guy actually a descendant of the few Tainos who didn’t get killed off?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 6, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

In the linked article, there is a sentence that says
Feliz becomes the first Tainos player to get his professional career started

but with no explanation.

I’m asking what “Tainos” means there. Are they saying Feliz is of that not-quite-extinguished indigenous cultural group, or is there a DPL team called the Tainos?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 7, 2010 2:40 AM PST up reply actions  

OK

Yes, there is a team in the DPL called the Taínos.

by OaklandSi on Feb 7, 2010 6:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

well maybe offensive

just don’t lookup the name of the football team in the Capitol of the United States.

(Speaking of which I will email that guy now)

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 6, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

And he is growing faster than a press-release too!!!

from the link:

With an imposing yet projectable 6´3", 180 lb frame, Feliz (16) showed his aptitude for development over the last two months in the DPL. His 91-93 mph fastball

by BoyHowdee on Feb 7, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nico, you scared me

I saw “BREAKING NEWS: Bengie Molina is…” and was thinking… please… don’t tell me the end of that phrase is “an A.”

"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige

by YonYonson on Feb 6, 2010 12:27 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Where's Luke Appling when you need him?

Quote from Luke: “I started fouling off his pitches. I took a pitch every now and then. Pretty soon, after 24 fouls, old Red could hardly lift his arm and I walked. That’s when they took him out of the game and he cussed me all the way to the dugout.”

Baseball Almanac also has a bit mentioning he’s said to have fouled 14 consecutive pitches into the stands to get back at an owner that wouldn’t give him two extra tickets.

by mk on Feb 6, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Someone needs to learn how to foul off a 100 consecutive pitches

I don’t care if he bats .000, he could lead off every game. By the end of first month, his OBP would be phenomenal.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

plus, think what it would do for the concession sales!

all these two hour games are really hurting the A’s in the pocket

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

by bobnothing on Feb 6, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Geez, I'm obviously a fan of the team with Travis Buck on it

I actually read that as “concussion sales.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

They could put in "Coma Seats" in the upper deck

For fans to nap in during his ABs.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

we have those already

the all-you-can-eat section will send you into a coma.

by stormtown on Feb 6, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually...

…I heard somewhere that 99 fouls = an out, but that’s probably never happened in the history of baseball…

when I find a witty signature, y'all will be the first to know...

by intexile_ on Feb 6, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh fine.

He can take the first strike.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You know what they call a good defensive catcher who's as good a hitter as Jack Cust?

A Hall-of-Famer.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 6, 2010 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

Mickey Tettleton!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Scioscia was about as different a hitter as a LH could be from Cust

He SLG’d .356 for his career, but only K’d 307 times in 13 seasons.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 6, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Instead of 307 times in 1.3 seasons?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder whether Molina ever called for 10 consecutive curves, followed by 10 consecutive fastballs...

(or was that Kearney?)

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 6, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That was Kearney.

And the one who drove off a cliff in a dirt bike, violating the “stupid clause” in his contract, was Mike Heath.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He had a clause in his contract

That said he couldn’t drive off a cliff in a dirt bike? That’s pretty specific. How’d he get in the dirt bike anyway?

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it was called a "stupid clause"

He could get hurt playing baseball or pickup basketball, but he couldn’t get injured doing something stupid (like riding dirt bikes around cliffs).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

I mean could you blame him? If I’m going to try to hurt myself, I’m going to do it the easy way too. Granted I’d probably use a knife or a spork or something, but hey, who could blame him for being creative.

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not use a kspnork?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well now that's just silly.

Don’t you know how ^*%#ing hard it is to find one of those when you need one let alone when you’re trying to hurt yourself?

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

To my amazement,

that legomenon is not hapax.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 7, 2010 2:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Eveland to Toronto for 29 cents

Hard to believe he’s worth that much but Toronto gave A’s cash for his services, limited as they are.

Morada Mudshark

by Morada Mudshark on Feb 6, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

HEY!

Leave Betty White out of this! It’s not enough that she’s the only remaining Golden Girl in reasonable health (God speed in your recovery, Rue!) but now this sort of ridicule?!??! She happens to be very nimble and fleet footed!

by oakballnack on Feb 6, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, she finished ahead of Bengie actually.

Unlike Estelle Getty (a tie).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

ggilf

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

put your Allen Ludden mask on,

because YOU’RE OUR WINNER!

"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Your "pinch-hittee" idea reminds me of my own

stupid pet idea: the opener.

Like a closer, but instead of pitching the 9th inning, he pitches the 1st. Then whoever will be the main pitcher for the day starts with the 2nd inning. The idea is that if the opposing team is platoon-minded, they don’t know whether to put in their lefties or righties. We know who is planning to pitch the 2nd-7th, but they don’t.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 6, 2010 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

I've long felt that a team should consider platooning their fifth starters,

obviously not announcing who’ll be starting until they hand in the lineup card. And/or subbing out one guy for the other early on in the game.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's not done for "understood baseball etiquette" reasons

There’s nothing against the rules about withholding info/changing early with SPs, but you’ll notice that at times when it’s unclear who’s going to start, managers will always publicly announce their SPs when they don’t have to.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 6, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m sorry. Even I had to laugh at the line, “… including one study in which Molina was observed in a race with a one-legged blind nun, a 93 year old with a walker, a snail on ice skates, Betty White and continental drift, and [Molina] came in only fourth.”

by TheLetter2 on Feb 9, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

I'm relieved

Apparently TheNumberW was not amused.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 9, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Molina Fun Fact

One of Molina’s SB came off of his brother Jose. In the same game, Jose stole a base off of Bengie.

by shields2seamer2lefthanders on Feb 10, 2010 10:22 PM PST reply actions  

Nice! Thanks for sharing

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 11, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

That must have been painful to watch.

Kosuke Fukudome. Dickie Thon. Jung Bong. Pete LaCock. Best. Baseball Names. Ever.

by Ramah71 on Feb 13, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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