Gammons (Discusses Oakland's Future)
by MagicMike23 on Feb 5, 2010 10:04 PM PST
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{fanpost edited here due to concerns about copyright infringement, just as title has been edited to avoid misleading readers} -Nico, 9:40 PST
Too bad. Intelligence and competence should matter, but in this case it doesn't, which is how the Raiders rule and the A's are pleading to find a way to get them into San Jose, or out, period.
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Meh.
F*** Peter Gammons.
Stewart: "What really needs to be clear is it wouldn't have mattered if there was an earthquake or not. We were going to beat the Giants.
by Elvez on Feb 5, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I was going to say the same until I read the article
and found that Gammons doesn’t really suggest it at all. This Fanpost is seriously misleading. The only reference is the quoted sentence where he says that unless things work out “the future may once again raise the specter”. That’s hardly a suggestion.
Oh, and speaking of quoting. Dude, you need to learn how to use the blockquote. It’s totally confusing which paragraphs are yours and which are Gammons’
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
...and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
I actually just skimmed the article, and responded more based on the title of this post. Since he’s not actually advocating for contraction, I’ll retract my comment above and go back to ignoring Gammons’ opinion completely.
Stewart: "What really needs to be clear is it wouldn't have mattered if there was an earthquake or not. We were going to beat the Giants.
by Elvez on Feb 6, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oakland Haters need....
to stop rooting for the team to move. Yes they need a new ballpark, we get it. But contraction? PLEASE, spare me! Not gonna happen. The city council has offered 3 locations, 2 in prime locals next to the water. If the team moves, it will be because Lew “I hate Oakland” Wolf and his frat buddy comish conspire to screw Oakland, THATS IT! There is a clear path to staying in Oakland, but those two cronies are looking for any excuse to take one of the only positive economic drivers, and pints of civic pride from Oakland.
Kiss my ass Lew, and sell the team you PoS!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
To hell with Peter Gammons too!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Care to spit out the details on that "clear path to staying in Oakland?"
by LoneStranger on Feb 5, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
(Hint: It doesn't exist)
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
HINT!
Its called the City Council, and the mayor. Both have cleared/ok’d 3 locations in Oakland. What planet have you been living on that you missed that?
Or are you just more Oakland haters looking to steal our team? Get your your own team and stop bagging on Oakland while trying to stab us all in the back.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 5, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Declaring three separate locations as 'okay'
does not a ‘clear path’ make. In fact, it’s kind of muddled. Why don’t they pick one site and push that? How far along is the EIR? Where’s the plan on how to pay for the land? What are the infrastructure changes that will have to be made?
And why does someone who thinks that San Jose is a better fit for the team automatically become an Oakland Hater?
by LoneStranger on Feb 5, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone who thinks SJ is better for the A's.....
isn’t from Oakland, AND SHOULD GET THEIR OWN TEAM!!!
If the entire city council, the mayor, and Senator Dian Feinstein all want the A’s to stay in Oakland, the city is offering multiple sights to the MLBs specified wants, and infrastructure and transportation help, I’d say thats a clear freaking path. The EIR would be no problem with that kind of support, especially in a city desperate for jobs, and an economic boost.
Again, GET YOUR OWN DAMN TEAM, and leave the A’s and Oakland alone.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 3:09 AM PST up reply actions
Caps lock exponentially improves your argument.
by Opus Youngblood on Feb 6, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
doesn't it!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
no.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
no as in "no"
or no as in “NO!”
???
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:09 AM PST up reply actions
"no" as in
caps lock does not enhance your argument.
“no” as in
talking smack about people not from Oakland does not enhance your argument.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
If you think.....
asking people to get their own team is talking smack, then your overly sensitive IMO.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
If you think
another bay area city building a stadium for the A’s to play in is stealing them then you’re overly sensitive.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Time to be the bigger man..........
You all win. Winner, winner, Chicken Parm Dinner…….
1. There is no hope in Oakland.
2. SJ will get the team.
3. The 3rd deck crowd are just brawlers or drug users.
4. Oakland is a PoS that will never get any better, and the people are not worthy of the A’s or their billion dollar owners regardless of how poorly they treat us.
5. SJ Oakland and SF are all exactly the same, and not distinct at all cause they all reside in the same media market/region.
6. Poor people do not deserve to watch games in person, and their financial benefit, or lack thereof, to the team is all that matters.
7. The community means nothing to private business, never should, rather just the bottom line: profits.
8. Let them eat cake….
Anyone who feels differently than all of you immaculately perfect people, is dead wrong, and should be told so utilizing all forms of belittlement until they succumb. After all, its not like the admins will throw around strikes to anyone they agree with, just those like me. The blogs guidelines don’t apply to you, so continue on with the foul language and putting down of those like me.
Also, cause I know the lot of you cant stand to think that someone you disagree with got the last word, you can put yours here below this comment, and sleep well at night.
Sincerely,
Not Navigator, or whomever else you might have disagreed with/banned in the past.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
Out of curiosity, has anyone in this thread made any one of those arguments?
That’s what we call a strawman.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
Look man
No one is putting down Oakland as a city or the people who live there. But this isn’t the City of Oakland Nation blog — it’s Athletics Nation. If you want to cheerlead for your city, go right ahead, but this isn’t the place where you are likely to find willing listeners. Currently, it doesn’t look good for Oakland’s prospects for keeping the A’s, but all of us here want what’s best for the team. In other words: it’s not personal, it’s just baseball.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 9, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
hmm...
1 is 90% correct
2 is likely
3 is 50% correct (I am a drug user and I always sat in the 3rd deck)
4 Oakland is a PoS, but it’s a cool PoS, like New Orleans
5 not true
6 I would rephrase that as “poor people cannot afford to watch games in person, and MLB owners shrug their shoulders and say ‘oh well’”
7 is absolutely correct
8 is a foam peanut
I should probably not even post this, but f**k it. It’s just that I signicantly agree with many of your arguments, but they don’t sway me to your side… they sway me to the other side… So, either you’re a mediocre arguer, or I’m just a dope-smoking ex 3rd-decker… (oh wait… I AM a dope-smoking ex 3rd-decker!)
Celebrating my 5 year ANniversary... (SPWC/K56/ThePilotsDaredMeToDie/Gaijin_Suketto)
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Please stop slobbering all over this post. Thank you.
For years, the City of Oakland has dragged their feet, knuckles and other parts of themselves over finding a viable site for the A’s. That’s why they’ve been looking in Fremont and San Jose.
Now that one of those two places is actually looking like a bigger reality, Oakland finally tries to come back to the table and say “Oh, hey, we’ve got some sites too!”
So far all it feels like is another process intended to drag things on. There’s been little to no information I can see as to what studies have actually been done on the sites, environmental or otherwise. Meanwhile, lots of progress has been made toward making Fremont or San Jose a reality.
Oakland has had time to put up or shut up in the past and if they’re as serious as they want everyone to believe, it’s time for them to really speed things up and show it.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Amen !
those buffoons in Oakland had their chances and blew it, now it’s suppose to be Lew’s fault? Child Please!
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Perfect example of someone not from Oakland.....
Who will never get it, and whose opinion doesn’t matter to us Oaklanders as a result.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
So is Flashfire lying when he says:
“For years, the City of Oakland has dragged their feet, knuckles and other parts of themselves over finding a viable site for the A’s. That’s why they’ve been looking in Fremont and San Jose.”
I don’t think so. Anyone following the A’s quest for a new stadium in Oakland over the last # of years can tell you it’s true that Oakland city officials do not give a sh*t about helping the A’s stay in Oakland. Their only real attempt was in the last month or so when MLB got involved and only then Oakland managed to come up with the 2 or 3 sites in/near Jack London Sq.
Sounds like you’re in denial buddy. If the A’s leave, it is no one’s fault but Oakland city officials for dragging their heels all these years.
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
and just to clarify,
my buffoon remark was directed at Oakland city officials, who I believe are inept at their jobs.
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Normally I don’t judge people via the internet,
but someone who argues against everyone in a post claiming his argument is based on the fact that he is a true “Oaklander” and others aren’t, and thus he is right would lead me to believe that he is a true diehard fan.
But after digging a little deeper it appears that despite his location and Asomugha quote in his signature, he is a USC football fan rather than a Cal fan, and despite being a USC football fan he is a UCLA basketball fan.
I don’t you
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
I dont like you
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
I HATE CAL,,,,,
this is true……
But that has to do with personal family reasons. My stepmother used to abuse me physically and verbally as a child, and her life was all about Cal. I have alwayse associated the two, and getting constantly left behind as a child when she would take my brother to games, are the reasons I cant stand Cal Football. I still root for them in Non conference games though.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Two things my relationship with my stepmother taught me.....
Hate Cal…..
and I will NEVER,,,,,,EVER EVER…….hit or verbally abuse my children, no matter what.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I started out with nothing.......
and I still have most of it left, though were all a little poorer for remarks like this.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
sorry to hear that sOs
That is unfortunate to hear….life is rough but you’re a survivor.
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Is it a path, yes
But a clear path leads directly to a new stadium. Kind of like getting a chance card that says “go straight to blah and if you pass GO, collect your $200”. Sorry, but there is no “clear” path and there are plenty of rolls of the dice left. And the A’s aren’t Oakland’s team. They were Philly’s team, they were KC’s team. Would I like them to stay in Oakland, sure. But I’m not naive to think that it’s likely to happen long term or that there’s a real solution to keep them there on the table regardless of what influential people in the council think.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
That's almost the best part of all this
The A’s were not born in Oakland and in fact spent a good deal of time in not one but TWO cities prior to that. How many franchises can you say that about?
It’s not a knock on Oakland but the “get your own team” thing is pretty silly in the wake of that. Oakland didn’t in the first place. They got someone else’s team.
At least this time if the A’s move again we’re talking about them still actually being in the Bay Area.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Very true
I honestly don’t understand the Oakland or nothing mentality if you are an A’s fan. I can see not wanting them to move across the country but if moving 35 miles is what it takes so be it.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
I understand some people aren't old enough to have a full perspective on this
Hell, by the time I was born the A’s had been in Oakland for about a decade and it was almost another decade before I remember even paying attention to baseball, so they’d already been there nearly 20 years.
For many of us, the Oakland A’s is all we’ve known because that’s what we’ve grown up with. Still, you can find people in Kansas City and Philadelphia who remember the A’s when they played there. The good thing for them is at least they had another team there.
The Phillies and A’s were both in Philadelphia for decades and of course Kansas City got the Royals a couple years after the A’s moved here. Still, a team moving completely out of the area is a lot different from a team moving half an hour or so away.
The biggest complaint I have with some of this are the people who say they’ll stop going to A’s games at all if the team moves to Fremont or San Jose. Well, what does that make them? Fans of the A’s or fans of Oakland?
If it’s the fact tickets would be more expensive and it may push baseball out of their budget that’s one thing, but if it’s anger at the team going a little ways away from a city that hasn’t really done a whole lot to keep them, all I can say is I wonder how much of a fan they were to begin with.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Fans of the A’s or fans of Oakland?
That explains my point perfectly. If they are not A’s fans then they can go watch a high school game or something. I can’t bring myself to feel sorry for people that can not drive 20-30 miles to support a major league franchise which in my mind makes the Philadelphia or K.C. examples unrelated. When you drive out of those cities you literally will not hit another large city for hours. When you leave Oakland you actually run into larger more prosperous cities.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
St. Louis for example
Is among the worst crime ridden cities in the nation, yet it is considered Baseball paradise.
I'm not sure what your point is Mike
I’m not sure crime rates need to be taken into account as much as the finance and logistic practicalities. If we removed franchises for crime rates New Jersey, Memphis, Atlanta would all have to cough up teams. Oakland and St Luis have similar crime rates but if you move a team from Oakland you stay in the local market where if you move a team from St. Luis you land in Memphis 4 hours away. Parts of St. Luis really are shady but it’s also isolated to a point where you would have to strip the local market from it’s team.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Go St. Luis Pescados!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think
you are thinking East St. Louis
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
20-30 miles of extremely congested freeways
— and a heck of a lot more time travelling to and from games – instead of taking public transportation (a currenlty available option) to the most centrally located place for the team in its fan base.
that’s actually a pretty understandable position.
So now you question my level of commitment?
Thats hilarious! I will not support the A’s if they move, and abandon a city and its people when they need them most. Anyone who thinks different can kiss my “you know what”!
YES! It is all about Oakland, and a little something called CIVIC PRIDE. While all our kids are killing each other, getting ito gangs, and selling drugs, Oakland has few bright spots, and Im, and lots of others, are not ready to lose one of the only good things we have left. People have been coppin a squat over Oakland for decades, and Im tired of it.
All the white collar, rich boys, sons of computer programmers, in San Jose can kiss my ass, and get their own gosh darn team. Period. Anyone who feels differently AINT from Oakland, and in that case, I could are less about their opinion, cause they aint from here and they dont know whats what about my city and the crap those who grew up here have had to deal with.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
My part in this conversation is over.....
I almost have tears coming from my eyes thinking about the team I love leaving, and its just not worth it to get this upset, but thats just how much it means to us in Oakland.
The A’s are life for and happiness for a lot of us. That may be sad to some of you, but its the plain truth. I live for A’s baseball, take yearly trips to ST cause I want it so bad, and invest what little money I have to see um play whenever I can.
Take that away from us here in Oakland, and the franchise will never be forgiven. Thats a promise, and it sure as hell aint just me.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Look, I understand there are a lot of people who would hate the A's to go anywhere else
But the fact of the matter is we’ve seen it proven that the number of you out there is actually a lot smaller than most people had hoped. I lived in Hayward for a long time and grew up with the A’s, but I can see that at this time Oakland is a dead project for them unless something really changes quickly. Their future there has been negatively impacted by the ballpark, the Raiders returning, the economy, fewer people coming to games, etc.
A new ballpark somewhere is a necessity at this point that can’t be ignored and I haven’t seen Oakland able to step up to the plate with something that’s actually got a real chance at working, especially this late in the game.
To me it’s much more important that the A’s remain in the area instead of an Oakland or Bust mentality. The crime, drugs and so on that takes place in the areas they do won’t change with or without the A’s being there.
Sorry.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Exactly.
Sure, it would be great it the A’s could stay in Oakland and make it, but it’s pretty clear that they cannot. Therefore, the next best option is for them to move to Fremont or San Jose because they can still exist and stay close enough for their northern California fan base to still be able to attend games. That’s our reality and I think most of us have come to accept it.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
Its only clear.......
to those not in Oakland, or from Oakland.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
So, are you never planning on leaving Oakland yourself?
I don’t really get the irrational civic pride, man.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I might move to Berkeley.....
or Hayward if absolutely necessary, but yes, I don’t plan on leaving Oakland or its surrounds. Its my home, born and bread, always will be.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I grew up in Hayward myself
It’s not hard to see why the East Bay isn’t a good place for a team. It’s both in the shadow of SF and away from the population centers and higher incomes of the SCV. I’m not trying to be “uppity” or whatever, but if we want the A’s to make money, they need to be closer to it.
Obviously, you’re not going to agree with 85% of the posters here, but we’re just trying to show you why it’s good for the team.
p.s. – so, if it’s about Oakland, would you be as upset if Clorox pulled it’s HQ from the city?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
take some grammer lessons
and you might make more money.
also:
ZOMG San Jose is 40 MINUTES FROM OAKLAND AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
You win "unintentionally ironic post of the year to date"
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
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Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to date his post.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm on the fence about his post
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Ah, come on
Give it a shot. What’s the worst that could happen? Danny Devito and Martin Lawrence making a movie together, that’s what. And that already happened, so go for it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Well I'm on the fence about his post,
and I’m going to go with either one opinion or the other, but I still can’t picket.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
pick a side and latch onto it.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
But don't hedge your bets.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Butt out. You don't have a stake in this.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What does mooning your house have to do with this?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You sound JUST like the parole board
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I thought I recognized you from somewhere.
How’ve you been? Did you, um, get that, um, “thing” looked at it?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
If it meant that much
They’d be selling out games, regardless of their pile of shit stadium.
They’re not.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
What would you call it.....
Am I wrong? Is the “New SJ” not built with Programmers, computer wiz, SV money? Are they not trying to steal OUR IE Oakland’s team? Exactly! Thats what I thought, and thats what I wrote.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
If you're not from/born in San Jose
then you obviously don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Before SJ became tech heaven the majority of the area was built upon agriculture, especially fruit. Ya know..that stuff that tactually feeds people? I don’t know why you are so hell bent on slamming San Jose or any other city/province that might have a new stadium for the A’s. We have the Sharks, yes….but if the A’s moved to San Jose they would draw wayyyyy more fans and be able to keep their home grown talent for a change. Don’t you want that? Or would you rather see guys like Brett Anderson pitching for the Yankees or Red Sox in 5 more years?
I just don’t get the hate…
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Hence the quotes around "New SJ"
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
San Jose grew up
it’s not “New San Jose” It’s a natural course over time…..and it would be a fantastic place for the A’s if they were to move here…
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
SJ did not grow up......
It was drastically changed do to the Dot Com revolution in no more than a decades time. Its called the 90’s bro. But if you want to get into a demographics debate, Im down cause Ive done a lot of reading on the subject.
Just to get us started, in 2007 the median income for a household in SJ was the highest in the US for any city with more than a quarter million residents with $76,963 annually. The median income for a family was $86,822. Thats what I call New, White Collar money….
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Hardly the farming town you describe.....
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
No...
But it is called growing up. Meanwhile, by your same sense of growth, Oakland as a city is the equivalent of a 60+ year old man with a bad heart. Nice guy, sure. Worth trying to save, absolutely. But it’s hard not to see it’s a long, uphill battle to save him and his doctors (i.e. city counsel) need to be focused on doing just that and not on trying to keep a single business entity from leaving. Particularly one that, while fun to be around, is still very taxing on that heart. I’d encourage you to take a step back and see what the city you love needs most and focus on those things, because it isn’t the A’s. That’s not saying you should be a happy about “potentially” losing the team, but that you should focus your energy on bring the city back to its former/potential glory.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Oh I get that, totally.....
we have A TON of problem, like infrastructure, poor education, not enough cops, doctors, nurses, etc etc…..
That being said, one cant ignore a major economic driver in this city being taken by a City with plenty of upward mobility already in SJ. The A’s should be part of the rebuilding process, or in your terms, the heart transplant.
Think about all the jobs lost. Not just at the stadium, but all the surrounding business, from the local stores, to the gas stations that depend on fans coming from Outside Oakland and contributing to the economy. The lost city revenues that help support our already crippled education system, infrastructure, etc etc…
The consequences would be devastating to say the least….
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Except most reports on stadiums
suggest that they aren’t necessarily good for the economy of the city. Some are, but most either have a negative impact (see the Raiders debacle) or are neutral. In other words, the wrong blood type for the patient.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I would like to think......
that we could learn from others mistakes and do it right, if we are so blessed/lucky to keep the A’s in Oakland.
But I guess all this is putting the cart before the horse a bit.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, because being a white collar computer programmer and earning lots of money is somehow inherently bad.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I really hope thats not the point you've taken from this debate.....
I would have no problem with SJ using all that money to get their own team. And I grew up with and am friends with, and in constant debate with, on this very subject, several of those SJ Techies we are discussing.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
In your effort to disparage San Jose, you've made multiple poorly reasoned arguments and assertions.
And you’ve also made many snide and inaccurate remarks about the city and a specific part of its workforce, which really has nothing to do with anything. My comment was a comment on how ridiculous some of your assertions are.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
No effort to disparage SJ at all......
Just that I dont like that its relatively new affluent base is keen on taking Oakland’s team, all while laughing at the end result in Oakland with out a care in the world.
“Let them eat cake” ehhh?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:14 AM PST up reply actions
My comments have nothing to do with the agricultural history.....
plainly because, that time is history. Its the New Money, White Collar folxs that are trying to take our team, not poor country folks, so lets not get it twisted bro.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Oh boy...
You don’t spend any time here, are not from here, and you sure as hell have nothing good to say about SJ so to hell with you…..I feel badly for you and fellow Oakland natives if the A’s move. But you either are an A’s fan for life or not…..and to say that you will not support them if the move away from Oakland is just beyond me.
Signed- “Blue Collar MRod”
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Actually SJ is great.......
Im friends with a lot of Bellarmine alumni and visit SJ often to visit friends, and go to occasional Sharks games. I just want people there to get there own team and stop trying to take the A’s. You have all the money you need, get your own team for your own city.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
SJ is not trying to steal the A's
they’re trying to keep them in the bay area….
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Honestly.......
I can see how you could feel that way, but being from Oakland I just dont, and I know Im not alone.
We just have to agree to disagree. You can root for SJ, and Ill root for my city, and we will call it a day.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
I drive a Corolla.......
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:15 AM PST up reply actions
go bells :)
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
And if you're really looking at things in that fashion
What about “new Oakland”?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I feel differently. I'm from Oakland.
You don’t speak for Oakland.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Feb 6, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
you would be one of the few......
All my friends feel the same way I do, were proud to be from Oakland, and cant stand the thought of OUR team leaving. Admittedly though, there are probably folks like you, I’d say a very very very small percentage, who don’t care. To whom I must ask, do you actually care about the city you claim to be from, or are you happy seeing it go down the tubes one brick at a time?
The city needs the jobs, my friends need the jobs, but if your not blue collar, haven’t lost your job in the last year and a half, and don’t care about the city, then I wouldn’t expect you to understand. I, and others, actually care about the plight of this city though, and thats not gonna change cause one person dont care for his own city.
Are you from the hills? Living, or from a big house above 580? Montclair? Skyline?Cause then I would totally understand………
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have many friends?
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
Good Lord
So Oakland doesn’t include Montclair or anywhere above 580 and San Jose is full of new techies.
Clearly, you are not bitter about anything.
Thats not what I said....
What I said, or rather implied, is those who grew up in the more affluent areas of Oakland know little of the hardships those of us in the flats have/had/do deal with. Its a different mindset, an as such I totally understand it.
Its the whole experience thats different. Its two different communities in the same city, and it would make sense that he feels the way he does. Folks from the hills have been looking down on us for a long time, literally and figuratively, and thats nothing new.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Sure there from Oakland......
Just a totally different part of Oakland, in a different community, with different (mostly private) schools, living in a community that might as well be a suburb for all, or lack thereof, similarities.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Sure it does.....
thats not the point being argued.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Again, I have no grip with the poor, agrarian community......
in San Jose, just the new influx of money over the last two decades. Poor folks, mostly of hispanic descent in SJ (though not all) arent the ones in the newspapers, or the power brokers trying to levy the A’s to their city.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Also.....
If we want to discuss the poor agrarian community in San Jose, lets talk about what the new money has, or actually hasn’t, done for that community.
The results for the poorest residents have been largely devastating. Food costs, UP, commodities, UP, private education costs, UP.
The truth is, many have had to move in order to survive in a new more costly SJ.
Weere dealing with the same thing in Oakland with the so called “Re-gentrification” of certain areas.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
generally, when things cost more and housing prices go up
that means a community is up-and-coming. It’s simply an unfortunate side effect of capitalism that when things get better in an area, they also get more expensive (because they get more desirable)
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
so what is the point?
I understand. I get my hackles up when people talk shit on Oakland. I was born in Oakland, spent the first 5 years of my life in and around Oakland, but grew up in a small farm town about 3 hours away.
I get that a lot of people have very stupid things to say about Oakland.
I don’t get how you saying similarly stupid things about another city has any merit or gives any credence to whatever the hell it is that you arguing here.
I may have been a little harsh....
but to my knowledge, all that I have said is true. You tell me whats stupid/false and Ill correct it.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
you don't already know?
You keep generalizing a city of a million people and then whining about people making generalizations about your. Hypocrisy is stupid.
I think you need to re read......
cause I have made clear my views on the intricacies of both communities and their demographics .
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I have read plenty
You have written plenty that shows you don’t know much about San Jose and that you play the victim card about Oakland, or your particular part of Oakland.
Have fun.
Very well.....
Im sorry you feel that way. I have tried to have an honest discussion here, impassioned though it may be.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
What the fuck IS the point being argued?
The poor kids from the shitty parts of Oakland are the only “real” Oaklanders?
This sounds like some fucking “True Yankee” bullshit. Your argument sucks.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
The point being argued......
Is that I would better understand a difference of opinion on the plight of Oakland, and the concequences of losing the A’s, if he were from a more affluent area of the city, and not confronted with the negatives of the flats, public education, lack of cops, etc etc, on a daily basis.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:18 AM PST up reply actions
That's total horseshit.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
It sounds like you're using the "I'm from the poor, dangerous part of Oakland" thing...
…as a crutch or some sort of excuse that gives you a reason to act like only you understand what hardship is.
Get real.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Worse than that
He seems to be trying to use it as a reason for why the A’s should stay and why if they leave it would be theft. It comes across as if the A’s should take the city of Oakland on as a charity case while ignoring that if they were to do so they’d make zero money and wind up going out of business and doing Oakland more harm than if they were to simply leave.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
There is a difference between......
treating Oakland like a charity case, and simply becoming part of the community in a positive manner economically and socially. My points have clearly been geared towards the latter.
These last years the A’s anything but a positive force in the community, and that starts with the owner.
And I’m the one projecting here? ROFL
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Not projecting at all
Just following the line of thinking your describing against the A’s reality. If there was a positive net benefit of the A’s staying in Oakland, I firmly believe they’d already be seeing that now even while still playing in the Coli. The problem is it’s just not there. It’s been an uphill struggle during the entire A’s tenure in Oakland in both good times and bad. Without a strong economic background, a new stadium is going to have little success for both the team AND the city of Oakland.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
the projecting thing was aimed at FF
sorry for the confusion.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
How about Rockridge?
Does Rockridge count as “real” Oakland?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Again.....
not about real or fake, better or worse…….just different.
Those that dont grow up with the constant sound of sirens, gun shots, running the gauntlet to get to school and stay out of trouble, etc etc, might feel differently about certain institutions and their impact on a city good or bad.
Its impossible to have a real convo with many of you here that choose to dumb down arguments w/o caring to understand them.
But hey, I guess Im just projecting again, right?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
So, if you're saying that Oakland has
“constant sound of sirens, gun shots,” and that you were “running the gauntlet to get to school and stay out of trouble, etc etc,” then why in the hell would any fans want to ever come there to a new stadium?
I dont think anyone is.......
running any gauntlets near Jack London.
And I can count the times on two hands the times I had to run to keep from getting jumped. Sometimes you make it, twice I did not in HS. You just got to cover up, and mitigate the damage as best you can while giving um what they want. I never wore new shoes, you left those in your locker at school or in your closet at home. You tried to get two copies of your books for home and school whenever possible so they dont get stolen either.
But in the end street smarts and good ways not to get jacked have nothing to do with a new stadium. We were discussing specific mindsets and how ones environment might shape ones ideals.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
For me.....
the city revenues stemming from the A’s support cops that are desperately needed. But I tend to weight that more heavily than might others due to my own personal experiences.
Im sorry thats so hard for you to get your head around, if your even trying, which I doubt.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
So are you saying only the poor portion of Oakland
can claim ownership of a privately owned Company?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
When referring to an organization......
that has been in Oakland for my whole life, and is so identifiable with this city, then yes, in a figurative, civic pride sorta way.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
If in some form (“even in the civic pride sorta way”) any portion of Oakland can claim ownership of a private company, where’s the support? You want the team to be more apart of the community while the community doesn’t support the team. That’s like wanting a puppy but not wanting to feed it, take it for a walk, give it attention and then wondering why it tries to bite you when you try to keep someone else from petting it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Again....
the people in this city have been pushed away from this team by bad ownership, and even poorer corporate governance. (See Tarps on most affordable seating.) (See owners yearly remarks on Oakland) (See the lack of fanfest) (etc etc etc)
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
It takes effort on the part of fans, too
To show up and support a team even when it is a little more expensive to do so. This has not been proven — fans don’t come out no matter what the team does.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Well.....
those fans like myself that still come are diehards. I know lots of people that used to go all the time, but hate this owner and the perceived/real slights done to the local fan base.
But this is not a new revelation……
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
those people you know
They are easily butt-hurt. They are the reason why the A’s are not viable as a franchise in Oakland.
They have shot themselves in the foot by not showing up for the last 5 years under the “poor” ownership, yet expect the same ownership to roll out the red carpet for an uninterested fanbase.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
They still show on occasion....
they just dont buy season tix packages, partial or whole, like some of us.
Were also having a Chicken and egg convo here. My friends would argue that Wolff turned them off the team, or at least buying all those tix. While you argue its wolff that is turned away by Oakland. I say Wolff could have done more to make his community feel more a part of the team, rather than pushing them away trying to move the team, closing off seats, and canceling fan oriented activities.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
If they are that upset over it
Then these are not the people the A’s should be catering to anyway. The A’s attendance has gone down in recent years, but it was still depressed before that. Even IF all your friends came after some grand apology by Wolff, there are STILL not enough people that care enough to show up.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
You do realize
that in a new stadium the cheapest seats likely will be more expensive than the current cheapest seats (now, not pre-tarp days). That’s not going to change whether they’re in Oakland or elsewhere. All I’ve seen Wolff say is that the Coli isn’t viable for their long term success and that Oakland’s corporate base just isn’t good enough. None of this is lying, none of it is disrespectful to the city. Lack of fan fest, well, that’s a little weird, but for all I know it wasn’t a good enough money maker for them, but that one is puzzling.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I do realize that....
I think a stadium in a more affluent are of the city would bring a more affluent customer base on a more regular basis. Take Jack London for instance. Lots of good restaurants, right on the water, city landmark and such.
I do think the A’s would have to do the occasional promotional day with less expensive tickets, so as to not alienate those poorer, less fortunate fans. Thats just good business though, and has to do with the CSR I was discussing in other comments.
I can see a lot of folks/families coming to a family friendly Jack London from Piedmont, Blackhawk, Castro Valley, etc etc, that would rarely come to the colosseum. Targeted marketing and innovative strategies would help too.
There is always the other side of the coin.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
So you're asking the A's to gamble
that something that hasn’t existed for decades would suddenly show up for more expensive seats. That’s a bad gamble. A really bad gamble.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
That is your opinion.....
business is about calculated risk, and I feel differently.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly
But then you’re also delusional. Something that hasn’t existed in Oakland won’t suddenly miraculously show up with a more expensive stadium. Not. Going. To. Happen. It’s a horrible gamble NOT a calculated risk. This is absurdity and idiocy at it’s finest to make that gamble.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Again.....
I think your better than to resort to name calling, but I could be wrong.
We feel differently, its not the end of the world, get over yourself.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Actually - judging on the school jackets and such that I see some kids wearing at the games
I think those families ARE attending games at the Coli now!?
I get it now
Only people from YOUR Oakland are qualified to speak for Oaklanders when it comes to things relating to the city, team and so on.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
did you get my other randomly palced note?
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I probably saw it somewhere
But this thread has exploded since the last time I was able to check it a few hours ago.
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Bioshock 2 comes out Tuesday.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
I am all over that
But I’ve been killin’ Nazis in The Saboteur and I’ve decided to finish that first. I have a tendency to start games and let them sit unfinished after I get the new one, but I’ll definitely be making time for Bioshock 2. Then after that it’ll be Mass Effect 2.
Somehow I’ll squeeze the gaming in around work and photo season.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I thought Mass Effect 2 was a trainwreck
in comparison to the first one. The first one was awesome. ME2, while not bad, just was not that good.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Wait
You mean he’s one of Lew Wolff’s multiple personalities? I think I might know why he’s so sneaky now.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Not what I said.....
what was said, just that I would understand better the difference of opinion……
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:54 AM PST up reply actions
I crack myself up.....
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
You care about Oakland
I care about the A’s. I’d rather they do what’s successful for them. Oakland ain’t it, even though it’s a great city in its own right. And don’t start acting like your opinions are superior on a subject like this. It’s annoying as hell to the point of being offensive.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Another perfect example.......
And yes, I hold the opinions of those from Oakland, specifically in this debate about the team leaving, as superior in meaning and feeling.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
In all other things.....
an A’s fan is an A’s fan. The difference is in this debate specifically.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
The A's in Oakland are good for you
San Jose is good for the A’s
On this site the A’s matter more than you.
Therefore San Jose > Oakland
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
Wow, just Wow.......
I wish all could read this comment. It is a perfect example of what I was talking about.
“To Hell With the Poor People of Oakland” is essentially the takeaway. Well I, and many many other, actually have hearts beating in out chests, and those hearts yearn for a better Oakland, and that the A’s would be a big part of that.
All it would take is an owner that cared, rather than some billionaire bozo and his college buddy intent on screwing the community that surrounds their team.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
You're so wrong it's not even funny.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Actually, this whole trainwreck has been very funny...
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
It's funny, except that every post on Marine Layer's blog ends up like this one when Navigator/s0sNe posts.
So it gets old.
by LoneStranger on Feb 6, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling that the Internet
is vowing never to verbally abuse its kids.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
one can never be serious/truthful
w/o someone taking a ridiculous shot at another’s heart.
“Just cause you got the monkey off your back doesn’t mean the circus has left town.”
George Carlin
“God may be subtle, but he isn’t plain mean.”
Albert Einstein
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:06 AM PST up reply actions
Um I drive a Corolla......
a crappy 94 one that leaks when it rains.
I have no Idea who Navigator is,
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:53 AM PST up reply actions
The takeaway is
Baseball is a business. Businesses need to make money to stay in business. Location matters. If the current location doesn’t make enough money, the business needs to find a new location. If one potential location can earn them more money, the business owes it to their stockholders (i.e. the people fronting the millions of dollars to sustain the business along with ALL the risks involved if things go south) to make the most money possible for their investments. If San Jose can make the business more money than Oakland can, the business needs to do what it can, within reason, to move to San Jose. That’s life. That’s business. That’s reality. An owner that cares about the team, cares about it’s sustainability. An who cares about Oakland, doesn’t care about owning a baseball team. And if they did own the A’s, they’d lose a ton of money and have to eventually sell… just like the Haas family. MLB is NOT a non-profit.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Its called CSR......
corporate social responsibility, and its something the A’s have lacked under Lew Wolf. Yes the A’s are not a non profit, but they could make a ton more money simply by creating a larger sense of community around the team like it used to be, instead of having the owner shit on the locals.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
That's a two way street.
And the company’s primary responsibility is to make money. And I don’t think the A’s being more active (while actually being pretty active to begin with) will make the team any money let alone a ton more. If it would, I can assure you, based on their primary responsibility to make money, they would be doing it already.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Unless....
Its the ownerships goal to make the situation as bleak as possible to give greater excuse for a move.
And this is what I truly believe, has taken place since the day Wolff bought the team.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Except
the A’s through three sets of ownership now have been trying to get a new stadium. And only when two other cities stepped in and said “Hey, how about you come here instead” and even then, after a BIGGER city came in said that, did Oakland’s city counsel bother to step up and take action. Where was the community support during all of this when, even in the days of the cheapest seats (pre-tarp days), they weren’t getting better than league average attendance. The team actually makes more money while blocking off those tarp seats. The ownership didn’t make the situation as bleak as possible, the city counsel and through them the city itself did, by allowing the Raiders to destroy their park, by not showing up, etc. What has Wolff done since he’s bought the team? Try to make the franchise as financially viable any way he can.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I will accept the fact that Oakland has been slower.....
than it could have been, but that does not change the fact that it can and should be done here in this city. The people should not suffer for politicians wrangling.
Mount Davis is a “sunk cost” and should not be used against the city moving foreword. Oakland is happy the Raiders are back, however shoddy the negotiations to get them here.
San Jose is bigger and does have more money, so whats wrong with putting in for an expansion team that the city can call its own w/o leaving Oakland in a heap of trouble w/o our beloved A’s. The AL west only has 4 teams, while other divisions have 5, so lets just add one more if SJ is so set on having a Baseball team.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
... because the Bay Area should totally have more baseball franchises than Los Angeles, Chicago or New York
That makes perfect economic sense.
Wait, no, it makes utterly no sense whatsoever.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Three distinct population centers......
on the order of the two LA franchises, north and south, and say SD.
If it wa all muddled and not separated by a large body of water like say Oakland and Frisco, or 40 miles like say SJ and the others, I would get your point.
But as they are all separate and distinct entities, I think its totally doable. After all, acording to all these people from SJ posting on this blog, they would have no problem selling out all the time right?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
Um, no. Sorry.
San Diego is about 100 miles from Los Angeles. San Jose is about 40 from Oakland, 45 from San Francisco.
Three teams within 50 miles of each other IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
In fact, a third team in the area would completely kill Oakland’s attendance the rest of the way.
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Make that about 120 miles from LA to SD, depending on starting and ending points
That’s farther than it is from Oakland to Sacramento.
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OK
Cubs, Whitesox, Brewers……
Mets, Yankees, Phillies
Pittsburg, Cleveland, Detroit
All good examples…..IMO
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
It's 302 miles from Detroit to Pittsburgh
And 90 miles from Philly to NYC.
48 miles from SF to SJ.
NOT good examples objectively
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by cuppingmaster on Feb 8, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
What about average?
From Brooklin to Manhattan to Philly?
And you totally ignore my first example.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Ridiculous
For starters, those three examples all cross state lines. In fact, your last example is for three different states. That’s your first problem.
Milwaukee is about 91 miles from Chicago.
Philadelphia is about 94 miles from New York City.
Pittsburgh is 135 miles from Cleveland and 286 miles from Detroit. Cleveland is 170 miles from Detroit.
Do you realize how stupid this attempted argument is?
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It's not even a matter of mileage
It’s a matter of population density.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
......
Chicago 2.8 mill
Milwalkee .6 mil
ave ~1.13mil
Oakland .41 mil
SJ .95 mil
SF .8 mil
ave~.7 mil
totally doable IMO…..
And again, 3 distinct population centers with their own cultures that contribute little to the bottome lines of the others pro sports teams as it is.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
The combined San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose metro area has 4.7 million people
which sounds great until you realize that the combined Chicago-Milwaukee area has more than double that.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
And out of those 4.7 million people...
…the A’s got about 17,400 a game last season.
Like I said elsewhere, if he really wants to see what’d happen if San Jose got a team while the A’s remained in Oakland, I’m pretty sure we’d be looking at the death of the A’s.
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AND geographically distinct areas.
Except for the Chicago and NY teams the areas mentioned are all distant and different from each other. One thing that makes the Bay Area unique is the contiguous nature of our area that surrounds the bay. Distinct areas – yet very connected. Can;t be said of the other examples cited.
SD should in no way be considered part of LA
That’s like saying “Well, actually, Chicago has three teams – Cubs, White Sox, and Brewers.”
The ONLY area that might be able to support a third team is New York. And even that would be pushing it.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I get SD is not part of LA.....
nor is SJ a part of SF or Oakland
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
Like it or not, it is considered part of the Bay Area
SD is not considered part of LA. I live in LA now — take my word for it.
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by cuppingmaster on Feb 8, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
San Jose, San Francisco and Oakland...
…are all part of the SF Bay Area.
Like it or not, it’s all one region. Your examples are not.
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There are two regions in CA....
North and south…..
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Same.....
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Your inability....
to see the three cities as distinct and unique populations amazes me.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
I'll say it now:
TROLL.
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by Flashfire on Feb 8, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because I disagree
does not make me a troll….
Because I want the A;s in Oakland and am empassione about it…..
does not make me a troll….
degrade me on a blog all you want, but it does little to further your argument.
Your posting just as much as I am in this, and it takes two to tango bro
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Serious question
Do you really believe California is only a “north” and “south” region?
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As far as the term "region"
absolutely….
San Diego an LA are two separate cities in the same region….
just like Oakland SJ and SF are three separate cities in the same region.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, but no
California is far too large for there to be merely two regions. The whole NorCal/SoCal thing is more a marketing tool than anything else, a way for people to claim a sort of status of where they generally hail from.
The truth of it is the state has closer to a dozen unique regions based on things like the Bay Area, parts of the coast, the San Joaquin Valley, the desert, Los Angeles, San Diego, and so on.
What this all boils down to is distances between major cities and population density. There is no way three MLB teams has any chance of surviving in the Bay Area. It works in “SoCal” because two are close to each other and one is a couple hours away. It’d be comparable to the Bay Area and Sacramento if the Sacramento area had the population density of San Diego.
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Here's the simple answer
No way in hell is a region going to have three MLB teams so close to each other like you’d have if there were franchises in Oakland, San Francisco and San Jose. That is just not going to happen, ever.
Whatever could or should be done in Oakland, the city has gone about it in pretty much the worst way possible. There’s only so long any waiting can go on for, which we’ve clearly seen already.
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Listening to those from SJ....
they will have no problem selling out a stadium. How many people come from SJ for an A’s game (or a Giants game for that matter), let alone on a regualr basis. Not that many IMO.
Im sure there are some, but the stadiums are filled by those in the direct location of the team, or their direct surroundings.
I dont think a city 40+ miles away is considered “direct surrounds”, but hey maybe you feel different.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever else I might say right now would probably get me a CGV
So, all I’ll tell you is “keep believing that if you really think it makes sense.”
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For the sake of argument
Let’s say MLB allowed SJ to put up their own team. Guess what. SJ would have a new stadium before the A’s did. The A’s attendance would CRASH. Permanently. MLB would then tell the A’s to get the hell out of the bay area because Oakland isn’t viable. Then you’d be whining about how you can never see “your” team because Portland or Las Vegas or City X out of state “stole” them from you. If MLB, the A’s AND the fucking Giants didn’t think a city 40+ miles away was part of the region, why the hell would they all be making sure a hoopla about the territory rights over that region?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You act like the SJ patrons....
make up the majority of A’s fans, which is far from true, and I would argue make up less than 1% of paying patrons at the colosseum.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hardly
You need better reading comprehension. No one has said that.
Build it closer to them and the people of SJ are more likely to come out (more so than the people of Oakland). AND, even if they draw the same, the corporate sponsorship and money will SIGNIFICANTLY increase. That effects TV and radio revenue and a lot of other things. Oakland can’t and hasn’t done the same.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Better reading comprehension....
“The A’s attendance would crash permanently”
Yep, I thought I read that correctly, and that was the basis of my comment which still stands.
But hey we can keep going back and forth trying to change the mind of the other, which isnt gonna happen, as long as you like.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Um
How does the A’s attendance crashing in Oakland as a result of a third team in the bay area have to do with how many SJ residence show up at Oakland? When the Giants built their park, the A’s attendance fell because that’s where the casual fan went. Add a third competitor with a new stadium, you’re not just talking about losing SJ fans, you’re talking about drawing in fans from the entire region.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Is a casual fan.....
gonna drive 40+ miles, through all kinds of traffic, to go to a baseball game in the South Bay?
Thats not casual, thats pretty diehard IMO
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants have a very substantial fanbase in the East Bay.
Not just the Oakland/Berkeley area (which is close), but places much further out, like Pleasanton and Fremont.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
You wouldn't
So I guess that makes you a casual fan.
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by Flashfire on Feb 8, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think SJ residents comprise less than 1% of the A's attendance...
…I honestly don’t know what to tell you.
Maybe you could give a breakdown of what you think each city in the Bay Area contributes to the A’s, attendance-wise.
That would be fun.
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I know people from SJ, Hollister, Gilroy
Sac, Stockton, Modesto, and the north bay, and East bay that attend games. A’s fans are everywhere!!
Notice how you said "attend games,"
and not “attend A’s games.” Very clever.
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If you are really interested in an answer
You can find this information you can go to City of Fremont’s conceptual plan and find it.
You can read more about it here.
Pretty interesting stats.....
just a cursory addition of the south bay percentages was pretty close to the % attending from Oakland!
Not disputing your general argument
but I think this part is false:
And the company’s primary responsibility is to make money.
The team is owned by a private partnership. It’s not like a public company where there is a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. The only responsibility is to Fisher, Wolff and the handful of junior partners.
They bought the company and they can set their goals however they like. If they just want to make money, they can try to do that. If they just want to win games, they can try to do that. If they want to use it as an instrument of civic philanthropy, they can try to do that.
Men with lots of money have many options for how to invest it. If they choose to buy a sports team, that probably indicates they are interested in something besides money. I would guess that most owners do want to make enough money so that the investment isn’t a total bust, but they also chose the sports team because they enjoy owning a sports team, and that means there are certain non-financial motives mixed in.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I don't disagree with any of that
However, I will say that the statement isn’t false. Whether private or public, it’s still the primary responsibility. If they want to win, etc., that could be their primary motivator. But at the end of the day, they can only lose a finite amount of money before they’re horribly screwed. How much of a profit (or how much of a loss they’ll allow year-to-year ) is certainly debatable and entirely dependent on those other goals/factors. But at the end of the day, they do need to make X amount of money in order to reach those goals.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
One would assume that the primary non-money-making goal of most owners
is, well, winning.
If they think (as I, and surely the vast majority of people, do) that moving to San Jose will improve the team’s chances of winning, then the proper course of action is obvious.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
it's cool that you stand up for poor people and stuff
But do you want your team to be poor as well? Because that’s what this amounts to. Even though there are a lot of us that enjoy stats, the vast majority of us want to see the A’s not just be successful by being frugal, but be successful by competing on the same level as other teams do. This is currently not the case. Maybe we’ll win a WS every 40 years or so when everything falls into place, but that’s not anything to be proud of — that’s just dumb luck.
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by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
More money is here to be made.....
but when you crap on the locals, you wallet gets thinner, not thicker. As I have said its about community, and being a possative force in that community.
Lew Wolff would not know about CSR if you wrote it inverse on his forehead.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
and yet, most of the bitching is because of the tarp
because you can’t get 2 dollar tickets anymore.
but there’s PLENTY of money to be made, with your 2 dollar ticket and the soda and peanuts you bought at safeway before the game, and the 5 dollar T-shirt you bought on the bridge from BART?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
In business.......
there is something called fixed costs. If the cost of running a stadium is a certain amount of $$ per game, then putting asses in seats is better than having them empty. How much more could it cost to keep a couple more bathrooms open, with a couple more concession stands behind the 3rd deck. The variable cost here is very limited IMO, and the tarps were just another way for Lew to cry Wolf.
Maybe it is just a few thousand dollars more per game, but over an 81 game home schedule, it adds up.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit
the problem was never knowing how many people would show up. So that means having to guess every day. That means not having enough security, concessions, etc. up there. All for very minimal gains because those tickets are so cheap. It’s not a fixed cost. It’s a variable cost. And if the team were to keep it fully staffed every game, they lose significantly more cash than if they were to shut the whole section down.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
More to the point,
most of the people who were buying cheap tickets are now buying more expensive tickets.
Some of them have undoubtedly been deterred from showing up. But selling one $10 ticket is better than selling 4 $2 tickets.
It’s rather obvious that the tarping gained the A’s money, even though it reduced the number of people in the stands.
Wolff has correctly pointed out that the A’s have a highly inelastic market. It really doesn’t matter how well the team does, or how low the ticket prices go— the team will not draw. You might as well raise the prices and get as much out of the handful of die-hard fans as you can, because the casual fan in Oakland does not exist.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
"most of the people who were buying cheap tickets are now buying more expensive tickets?"
I can’t imagine why you believe that to be true; attendance numbers suggest otherwise.
I also don’t think it’s “rather obvious” that tarping gained the team money…speculative, and probably not amounting to much $ either way.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Even if the team sells only
one $10 ticket for every six or seven $2 ticket, the team is likely making money. Fewer concession people serving a small portion of people, fewer security guards and overall personnel per game. The cost of running the third deck was likely a net loss except for the occasion of selling it out which was never guaranteed.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Personally, I think they should have
just sold 3rd deck seats for games with NYY, BOS, LAA, fireworks nights, opening night, and last home game. Predictable sellouts, lots of extra revenue, great atmosphere.
“Close” the 3rd deck the other games by not selling tickets, advance or day of game — it’s not like people are going to “sneak in to the bad seats.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sort of agree
But the gain would likely be negligible.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I like this idea too
anything to keep from alienating the less fortunate folks that like the A’s as much as the rest of us.
Sadly I fear the damage has been done over the last half decade, and it aint just the 3rd deck.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Newsflash
The extra people that are showing up to those Yankees games?
They’re not A’s fans.
Also, “alienating the less fortunate” is really not something that a business should be worried about. With the minor exception of companies that can turn huge profit margins through extortion and economic duress (pawnshops and payday loan stores), the amount of money to be gained by marketing to the poor is negligible. It’s not worth the effort.
I really don’t get why you’re acting so petulant about this particular business doing exactly the same thing as the entire rest of the US economy.
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Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
If the cheap seats were opened...
Many of those fans would be A’s fans that otherwise would not come, yankees or no yankees. Im for opening the deck at all times, but if big games are the only path foreward, so be it.
Also, I know a lot of thoses less fortunate that used to scratch and claw their way to scrounge the money for as many A’s games as they could, but now dont for the many reasons mentioned before.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, did you go to games back when the upper deck was open?
Freakin’ 30 people would sit up there for non-weekend games. It was my pasttime between batting practice and the game to count them all. It took all of 90 seconds to do so.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
So just open up one or two sections.....
what wrong with that?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned that below....
but it still costs more than the old 3rd deck seating used to.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Look
If the idea is to make people spend more for tickets in the first or second deck, saying “Okay, for the two dozen of you that really wants it, we’ll open up a couple sections up top again” completely defeats the purpose.
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Two dozen?
Come on man, if you want to talk for real, lets get real. But making claims like only 2 dozen would come is ridiculous, especially when the A’s used to have such a large walkup audience. Often the largest in the league if I recall correctly.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Walk ups were the problem
they are a net loser for profit. (see above discussion)
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
If you (and your friends and their friends, and so on))
spent half as much time trying to figure out how to come to more A’s games on a limited budget as you do whining about Wolff, we wouldn’t be in this predicament.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 8, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
This is just not worth a response.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, we know Wolff is the devil to you
It’s too bad you can’t seem to grasp that in something like this, sometimes certain groups of people will not be pandered to. You happen to be in that group.
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Can I say
QOTM here. this is a reee-dick-u-lous conversation and this made me laugh. Thank you FF.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
I know the extra fans aren't A's fans
But they provide ticket revenue, concession/souvenir revenue, and the atmosphere of a sold out crowd — all good things.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
And
In blow outs offer opportunities for fights in the crowd so that we don’t have to watch the ugliness on the field.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Yep...
Thats right. Let the poorer fans of Oakland in, and all they will do is smoke drugs and get into fights.
This, again, is stereotypically ridiculous and not worthy.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not what I said at all
But yes, I’ve been to a sold out A’s vs. Yankees came and during an ugly blow out there was a brawl up in the 3rd deck. Did that have anything to do with poor fans? Nope. Did it have everything to do with a bunch of drunks with nothing to entertain them, you betcha.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Read up and down 10 comments....
in each direction, and its been said/implied plenty.
And I have seen just as many 1st and 2nd deck brawls as I have 3rd deck. Matter of fact, I have seen folks taken away in cuffs from almost every section of the park over the years.
Stop with the stereotypes of “3rd deck types”. Lots of those folks are families that come out that otherwise could not afford to come as a family unit, and their just as good as people sitting elsewhere in the stadium.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
He mighta been referring to
the drunken NYY fans that pack the stands and cause the cops to run up and down the stairs all game long!!
Bingo
And it was a throwaway joke, again, entirely UNRELATED to the people of Oakland OR to the fans who sit in the 3rd deck. 60,000 fans, too much alcohol and nothing to do, you’re pretty likely to find a good fight to watch.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Meh
They don’t want the risk of people hanging out there smoking dope or dealing drugs or something.
Having large sections of a stadium open but completely unsupervised is a really bad idea.
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Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Thats not stereotypical....
or anything right? Good lord man!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
That's not a stereotype
it’s the unfortunate truth. I saw it, I know others have. It’s not something about being in Oakland or the people in Oakland, it’s just what happens in this scenario.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Blaming the actions of a the few....
on the whole is not sensical.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
it is the truth
I am not going to call it unfortunate though.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
It's stereotypical of what happens in stadiums
The stereotype has nothing to do with Oakland, though.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
by PaulThomas on Feb 8, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
These last 5-6 remarks
just goes to show this is not a conversation worth having any longer.
Throwing around BS stereotypes as reason not to open one or two 3rd deck sections to poorer fans is ludicrous.
But again, I guess I was projecting that you all looked down on the poor folks of Oakland.
After all it was me that suggested that they would be all be doing drugs on the 3rd deck right?
You guys are unbelievable.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, you got us. We're unbelievable.
I guess you better just get back up on your horse and head out of town. There’s no need for you to be here anymore.
I think you've missed.....
one of the main points of this argument……
Im already IN town, arguing against those OUT of tow that want my cities team.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure he meant AN
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I don't go to AN anymore
Too much crime and drug-dealing. And that’s just Leopold Bloom.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
No, really?
I imply double meaning for a reason…..
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
... because attendance numbers are down maybe 30%
and average price paid for a ticket is way, way up (probably 50% or more)?
A 30% decrease in attendance is more than made up for by the fact that $10 upper-deck seats are now unavailable and have been replaced, to the extent that people are buying them, by $20 second-deck seats.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
It's down 20%
the four year average before the tarp and the four years after the tarp is only the difference of about 5300 tickets/game. Factoring in the team’s performance over that time span and they’ve potentially lost nearly nothing to the tarps. Certainly nothing relevant. AND as you pointed out, they’ve gotten that difference in higher ticket prices with fewer staff/production expenditures.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I said that the costs were variable......
only limited in their scope/dollar amount. There are two major 3rd deck concession stands and two sets of bathrooms. How costly could that be? Not much IMO
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
If you have the entire third deck open you also have to have additional ushers spaced out to monitor them. You can’t just have them open and leave them unattended.
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And who says the entire deck has to be opened.....
Why cant all those stat geeks employed by Beane run a statistical analysis of how much to open on any given day, or against any given team.
There are some really smart people in the employ of this team, and I doubt that would be that hard.
Again, two sides to every coin. And for a guy so obsessed with statistical detail as you, Im shocked you did not think of that.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
"All those stat geeks" DID "run a statistical analysis".
Their conclusion was to close the third deck.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
by iglew on Feb 7, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes the "Entire 3rd Deck"
until all you can eat recently.
There is no reason the A’s can have a couple non-upgradeable cheaper 3rd deck sections. No reason other than Lew was and is crying Wolf about the small variable costs of doing so.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
And you know this how?
Have you run the numbers, or are you just whining and complaining like you have for the entire post?
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I you dont like the conversation...
then why post. I have been having a reasonable debate, if you choose to demean it as otherwise, there is nothing else I have to say.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
No, you have not been having a reasonable debate at all
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by Flashfire on Feb 8, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
This just stupid. UNTIL the team realized that maybe people would pay MORE ($30+) to sit up there just to eat instead of $2 just to go go down to the more expensive seats. Just because only 30 people look to be up there, doesn’t mean more than a thousand bought tickets and moved down. Unless you want the team to also pay money for more ushers everywhere to be constantly checking tickets or for all the third deckers to tat their forehead to show they don’t belong anywhere else, cause, you know, that would go over really well.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Tarp, no tarp
Win, lose. Fanfest, no fanfest. Promotions, no promotions. No one shows up. This point is unassailable.
So I take it you were one of the 30 or so people that showed up to sit in the 3rd deck on non-weekend games? Or, were you one of the people who bought 3rd deck tickets and moved sat down in the 2nd deck somewhere? Because you and I both know people did that. I admit — I did it a few times when I was younger myself. So, between the concessions, and the lost revenue of people buying cheaper tickets and sitting in more expensive seats, it was unfortunately warranted.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
No offense to the fine AN member
who goes by that name, but those free seat upgrades always pissed me off.
There’s a reason the better seats cost more money. If you want a better seat, then buy the more expensive ticket. If you want to attend the game for two bucks then stay in the section you paid for. But if you buy a cheap ticket and then skip down to an empty seat that costs more, you’re not just cheating; you’re making a chump out the guy sitting next to you who followed the rules and paid the proper price for his seat.
I know a lot of people did this routinely, and they always rationalized it saying, “it doesn’t cost the team anything”, “it doesn’t hurt anyone”, “stick it to the man, corporate bastards” or whatever trick worked to salve their conscience.
Well, guess what? Now we’ve got a tarp and there’s no cheap seats at all. Thanks a lot, assholes.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
However they rationalize it
It’s still theft. You’re taking something you didn’t pay for.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Plenty of cheap seats in the bleachers.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
No offense to the fine AN member
who authored that comment, but it is absurd to blame seat upgraders for the tarp. If nothing else has been proven, it is at least very clear that the plan to increase ticket sales and revenue by creating scarcity has been an abject failure.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
The goal wasn't to increase ticket sales
It was to increase revenue. Which has been done.
It’s still not enough to field a competitive baseball franchise.
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Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
FIxed costs
Right, but if the variable cost of running the upper deck is not offset by the actual ticket sales then it isn’t a good move to sell those seats.
It’s a lot more complicated than what you just stated.
Not the whole 3rd deck.....
just the number of sections statistical analysis shows should be opened on any given day. That mitigates the variable cost and makes it affordable if not profitable.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
And....?
That number is zero. Trust me, if the A’s thought they could increase revenue by opening up all or a portion of the third deck, they would.
Good god, I leave for a weekend and this trainwreck turned into the Titanic.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
For the last time....
I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to A’s ownership, in that I believe they are trying to make the situation as bleak as possible so they would have excuse to move. I believe a varieble portion of the 3rd deck could be opened based on crowd statistical analysis and that it would be profitable.
Again, There are TWO, count um TWO concession stands behind the 3rd deck, and two sets of bathrooms, and they are open anyway to service the 2nd deck as it is.
The variable cost is very limited, and thus highly manageable, especially if you only open a portion of the deck to fans, again based on the predicted number that might/should show on any given day.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is that the number of fans
who are going to show up is not easily predictable. So instead of trying to guess for each game, the entire deck is tarped off.
You forget the other reason that the third deck was tarped off was to push those fans to the first and second deck, creating a more cozy, more electric atmosphere.
I reject the fact that its unpredictable....
to smart statistical analysts, and if people can afford it, their not gonna be pushed to the first or second decks, rather the parking lot.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
Do the analysis. Show us your work and maybe we’ll buy it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You dont get it.....
I dont care if you buy it, I believe it, thats not gonna change and that is all thats important to me.
Not some blogger from SJ looking foreword to getting Oakland’s team for his own communities benefit to the detriment of mine.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
You start talking about statical analysis,
yet you won’t do the analysis to prove your point.
The point is you DON’T have the facts prove your point, and just claiming that’s what you believe is going to get anyone to agree with you.
The people who DO have the numbers have run those numbers through the models and have determined that closing the third deck is a better cost-saving decision than keeping it open. Do you doubt them? Of course you do, you already said you don’t trust this ownership.
This is why nobody is going to listen to you
You keep throwing crap out there and say “It doesn’t matter what you believe because this is what I believe and that’s enough for me.”
You’re making a boatload of claims you can’t back up at all.
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Yeah, I'm not from SJ
not even close. The A’s moving to SJ means a much longer drive for me, but thanks for the assumption that everyone who thinks SJ is a good thing for the team must be from SJ or SF.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Here's a fun fact for you
The difference between the attendance between the last four years the 3rd deck was open and the first four years the 3rd deck was closed: 5389 fans/game. More than 60% of that is likely a result of the team sucking horribly, proof of which is the number sliding each year they’ve sucked. Proof of this? The difference between the first and last year was less than 2000. Throw around conspiracies all you want, but you don’t make much on the $4000 you’d make while GUESSING how many sections to open. Especially when you’re NOT selling out the rest of the stadium.
So why would the team open the 3rd deck at all when they’re not turning people away?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Not turning people away?
My friends feel differently, and they are my fun fact, and proof in my argument.
60% based on poor performance?
Again, Lew Wolf is just as much at fault for falling #s as the teams performance.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yes...
I’ve forgotten, your friends, people who are much more likely to think and feel the same way as you, feel the same way. Unless you have more than 5000 friends who show up to 81 games a year (or used to), then that’s not an argument.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
My friends ARE indeed....
like me, from Oakland, which is why the majority of them feel the way I do, and why you, outside of Oakland do not.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Missed my point entirely
Its bad market research when you don’t ask random people within the area what they think. If you take a very specific subset of people who agree with you and extrapolate any meaning beyond you and your friends believe something and try to apply to the rest of Oakland and you’re going to be wrong.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
He has thousands of imaginary friends
which also conveniently explains who he expects to sell the third-deck tickets to.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
And this season
a portion of the 3rd deck will be open for the cheapest seats in the house (and the ticket includes 6 bucks towards food/merch).
at what point did supermarc mention poor people?
You’re delusional. You lie. You twist the facts. You see things that aren’t there. In the words of Gollum, ‘Go away, and never come back.’
Totally
He’s so sneaky, but Why?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
You guys are paranoid....
Im really not that hung up on this blog that I would create or use multiple accounts.
If thats what you think, look at the IP addresses. I post from the same Mac in the same apt all the time.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 4:21 AM PST up reply actions
It's more of a stereotype
I don’t personally think that one person has created all those identities, in sequence, after being banned over and over again…
Then again, you never know…
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I agree 100%
- of A’s fans in Oakland < # of A’s fans in the rest of the Bay Area
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
Not that it should matter, but in response to this...
Are you from the hills? Living, or from a big house above 580? Montclair? Skyline?Cause then I would totally understand………
I grew up in the Fruitvale District. My family is far from rich.
Anyway, most of my friends would like to keep the A’s in Oakland. However, most of my friends are idiots who don’t follow baseball that closely. They wear A’s hats because it shows people they are from Oakland and that gives the impression of being tough. They have no idea who Brett Anderson is. They go to A’s games, but rarely make it into the game because they get too drunk tailgating and by the fifth inning, what’s the point?
Yeah, my friends are idiots, but I like them. I just don’t talk baseball with them.
I have a closer group of friends, most of them very knowledgeable about baseball (one of them introduced me to this site about six years ago). The consensus amongst those friends, the ones who text me every time the A’s make a big move, the ones who follow every game, is that we want what is best for the franchise. It would suck for the A’s to be further than five minutes away (I used to be able to hear Roy Steele’s voice from my house), but we care most about winning, and if a new stadium in San Jose makes the A’s more competitive, then we’re for it.
And by the way, I LOVE Oakland. I also love Alameda, Berkeley, and San Francisco, as I’ve lived in all of those places, too. But Oakland was where I was born and I still spend a lot of time there. I love the people, I love the taco trucks, I love the history, and riding my bike up Skyline or hiking through Redwood Regional Park. I’ve traveled a lot more than most people my age have, and still the East Bay and SF remain my favorite places in the world. Not only that, but I’ve always been an active volunteer and I care deeply about the communities I live in. So of course I want Oakland to do well. But I also want the A’s to do well and I don’t think it would cripple Oakland if the A’s left.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Feb 6, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I respect your opinion....
more than ever, and simply must disagree with you on one point.
“But I also want the A’s to do well and I don’t think it would cripple Oakland if the A’s left.”
I think it would have a devastating effect economically. From the restaurants to the gas stations, to the substantial tax revenues used to fund schools and cops and roads, to the actual people working at the stadium, and so on and so forth. The city is hanging on by a thread at this point, and I would not be surprised if this were one of the final dominoes that made the city unrecoverable.
But hey, from the comments of some people above, they dont care. Either because they dont live here, would like the team in their city regardless of the consequences to Oakland, or cause they like to see Oakland as a whole fail, while laughing and pointing fingers all the way home.
Seeing these comments makes me very sad, and reminds me of how the rest of the Bay views Oakland, which is why I am so defensive on the subject. If I was harsh with you earlier I apologize for my passion and frustration.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the only people who have anything to do with the A's...
…live in Oakland. The actual people working at the stadium? Guaranteed they’re from all over the Bay Area. Restaurants? Gas stations? For one, there are very few restaurants within any close proximity to the ballpark, which is one of the big complaints a lot of people have. It’s a “drive or BART there then go somewhere else” type of place. There’s nothing to keep people in the area, which can be a big plus for a ballpark within a city and not one situated on the outskirts or something like that.
I just don’t see how the city’s economy and lifeblood is tied in so directly to whether or not the A’s are there. As it’s been said, it’s not like fans are packing the place to start with. Where’s all the so-called civic pride and support in the team? Maybe if there was more of that we wouldn’t be talking about a move somewhere else.
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When I reffer to restaurants, Gas Stations, etc,
I am referring to the whole area, and even surrounding communities like Hayward, Berkeley.
Take my family for instance. After games we would always go, (me my brother and my Dad) to Smokehouse on the boarder of Oakland and Berkeley.
How many other families have traditions like this?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, but then you're not talking about only Oakland
And your whole argument is based on the team helping Oakland proper.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Oakland is directly connected economically....
good an bad, with its surrounding communities like Hayward and Berkeley. Helping Oakland helps these areas, and visa versa.
But, 40+ miles away in SJ is a totally different story.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Except there's nowhere to put a stadium in either of those other cities
And Fremont is full of NIMBYs.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I was not talking about putting a stadium there....
just referring to the interconnectedness of these close tied communities and their economies.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Because if they were to put a stadium in Hayward, Berkeley or Fremont, they’d be “stealing” it from Oakland and he wouldn’t allow that.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Again.....
having a reasonable convo is not possible if your just gonna downgrade my arguments to one line manifestoes and talking points that actually are totally false.
Freemont no, but I would be happy with a new stadium in Hayward or Berkeley, as the team would still be primarily associated with Oakland.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
And Im the troll ehh?
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely...
but apparently AN isn’t really ban-happy these days. I think that’s a good thing. I highly value freedom of expression.
What seems to be an issue here is that you’re arguing an emotional argument against more of a Vulcan crowd. The Vulcan crowd asks you for data, and you reply with more emotions.
It’s never going to be resolved. Likely, no one will be swayed.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he's going for cowboy diplomacy
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 9, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Funny
I didn’t realize we were having a reasonable conversation considering you like to make up your facts and create convoluted, illogical circumstances in the hopes of possibly being right.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
When you point your finger.....
remember three are pointing back at you, and one at god in the sky.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
You assume facts not in evidence.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I was gonna say the same thing about you.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
But the stadium would not be within the Oakland city limits
So even then, some money would be lost to the city.
Fremont would still be in Alameda County, at least.
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"Sons of computer programmers"
Is just a crazy thing to say when the people you are talking about are, in fact, computer programmers.
How many can you say that about?
Two: the Braves and the A’s. Classic baseball trivia question.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
The Braves win...
They were the Cincinnatti Red Stockings before they moved to Boston.
The Braves are the oldest professional baseball club on the planet.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Orioles, also... which makes three...
…if you consider the St Louis Browns’ move as franchise continuity. Some people do, some don’t.
(They also played 1901 in Milwaukee)
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Rochester/Cincinnati Royals/K.C.(&Omaha)/Sacramento Kings
As far as I know, they are the only “major league” (*) franchise to move three times (one could claim 3 1/2 because they split their home season between K.C. and Omaha for several years before settling down in K.C.). If the NBA would let them, they’d move to Vegas.
- - in the big four sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey)
NBA Hawks moved three times as well
Tri-Cities Blackhawks (Moline, IL)
Milwaukee Hawks
St. Louis Hawks
Atlanta Hawks
by elephantbaseball on Feb 6, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I should have posted it down here...
Cincinnati Red Stockings became Boston Red Stockings/Braves/Bees/Braves became Milwaukee Braves became Atlanta Braves…
So the Braves are in this club, too. The Braves are the oldest professional baseball club in the world.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Since they were the only team back then they had to masterbat.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
No... God made the Cubs out of the Braves' ribs...
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Gotcha
So what you’re saying is the Yankees were the first real opponent, but no one liked them so they made up another opponent and acted like it was the first having arrived in a special way because things were too awkward with the real first one.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Ha ha ha...
I was gonna tell the story of losing my virginity here, but it’s just too damn sad.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
You lost your virginity HERE?
Now that’s a story!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
it was me.
I took his maidenhead.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
That, I could handle...
If I actually had lost my virginity to a virile omnisexual dope fiend with a biting sense of humor and a taste for racoon urine, I would have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about.
Trust me, it was much much worse than that…
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 2:08 AM PST up reply actions
There is no such thing as a clear path leading directly to a new stadium
Not in San Jose, not in Oakland, not outside of California, not anywhere. And in particular, anyone who thinks San Jose is an easily done deal once MLB allows it will be in for a rude surprise. And it certainly doesn’t help the team’s new ballpark hopes for it write off other options in the meantime.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
On this we should all agree
If I was the A’s, I would be trying to run a parallel path to some degree.
San Jose and JLS West/North would be my preferred locales. Victory Court would be an acceptable 3rd option if the toher two weren’t available.
None will be “easy” to accomplish. All face hurdles.
There may not be a clear path
but SJ definitely has several things going for them, which have been discussed here ad nauseum, but for the sake of this post I will repeat: 1, the # of corporate sponsors in Silicon Valley dwarfs what Oakland is capable of attracting. 2, Mayor Chuck Reed is putting up a good fight to bring the A’s to SJ. I can’t say the same for Shady Grady Dellums, and lastly, the all important EIR in SJ has been done, which means that the 12 to 18 months that it would typically take to do an EIR is eliminated from the ballpark building time table..
I think the A’s wanted a new stadium yesterday, so not having to wait for an EIR will only help in that regard.
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
The A's aren't Oaklands team?
well they have been all my life, and expansion west is what helped make baseball what it is today. Or I suppose you think Brooklyn still own the Dodgers, NY the Giants, etc etc etc.
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he's not suggesting the A's still belong to Philly or KC
It’s merely reminding you that the A’s have moved before from much more distant locations and a move a half an hour away is hardly the end of the world.
Some of you are fighting this like the A’s are about to completely leave the state when at the most we’re looking at them moving to an adjacent county.
Again, if Oakland is so serious about keeping the A’s, why have they been so bad about showing it?
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Leave the city, or leave the state........
makes no difference. There leaving Oakland, and thats not OK with us Oaklanders. Its one of the only positive economic drivers we have, and they will never be forgiven for the harm it would do to our economy and our city.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
If attendance that's toward the bottom of the league is one of the only positive economic drivers...
…the city has, it’s in pretty terrible shape to begin with.
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Whats sad is our owner closing off half the stadium....
bagging on fans, and allowing all semblance of fan favorites to leave via trades.
Its no wonder the fans have been pushed away.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I've never felt pushed away...
and I like Lew Wolff because I think he really is a fan and he’s a realistic owner. The trade/free agent thing? It is just a part of our reality.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
Oh really.....
You dont read the local papers, or ESPN articles much do you….
Heres just one example of what Lew said last offseason….
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4015171&type=blogEntry
Hes been doin it for years……
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Heres a good takeaway......
“when the A’s won 93 games in 2006, they didn’t draw 2 million fans and ranked 12th in the American League in attendance. Lousy ballpark? Sure. But the A’s did draw more than 2 million in 2002 and in 2003, and they also won the West both years. In 1990, they drew nearly 3 million. Same city, same ballpark (and yes, I know about Mount Davis).”
“I suspect that their poor attendance in recent seasons has more to do with the exodus of star players than anything else. But it’s a vicious circle. The A’s lose their stars, and the fans stay away, and the owner rips the city and the ballpark, and more fans stay away, and more stars are lost …
At some point, the owner is supposed to step in and say, “You know what? Our situation might not be ideal, but we’re going to be here for a while so let’s make the best of it. After all, we’re all in this together.”
But I guess when you’re a billionaire, it’s not easy to think that way. Because deep in his heart, Lew Wolff knows we’re not all in it together."
Couldn’t have said it better myself……
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Wolff didn't even own the team in 2002-3
2 million is still barely league average, too. You would think, that, given that around then was the height of that crop of players, that we could draw better. Saying that we drew 3 million in 1990 only highlights the problem: the area’s population grew, and the A’s were successful in 2002, yet drew less than 12 years prior. In addition, we won the WS the year before — every draws better the year after.
I heard something the other day that the Phillies, this year, have 1M tickets already sold through season tickets and corporate sales before any single-game tickets went on sale. That’s what we should aim for, and Oakland fans haven’t stepped up with I suspect with even a fraction of that.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
In 42 years
the A’s have been above median attendance in the league 7 or 8 times.
During the Haas years, they had more years in the bottom half than above.
All Lew said was that...
he was done talking to Oakland about a new ballpark (because they had their chance) and that the Coliseum was “aging and shared” (which is something everyone knows and is hardly controversial). You got any other examples of him “bagging” on fans or “pushing” them away? Please share.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
by the_rozeboom on Feb 6, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Remember the time Oakland let the Raiders come back and ruined the Coliseum?
They totally bagged the fans.
by LoneStranger on Feb 6, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but losing players is sympton
that goes all the way back to Connie Mack, so that aspect is just keeping with tradition.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
You keep saying "Oaklanders"
When you should be saying “A really fucking small group of people that only I have the ability to define”
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
That comment is so "El Sobrante" it's not even funny
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I left my wallet in El Sobrante.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Private Eyes,
they’re watching you.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you're going to have a stalker
Might I just say, you’ve choose one of the best. Seriously, you’re really in for a treat. LB is something special and he never disappoints.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Hall'N'Oats is my favorite hot cereal brand...
It’s the bleached soul thing to do, and a bland way to do it!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
You're a rich girl
and you’ve gone too far,
but you know it don’t matter anyway.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
you can rely on the old man's money
you can rely on the old man’s money…
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
to me H&O is just as much a 70s band as an 80s one
I just got a whole 5 GB worth of Hall & Oates radio concerts from 1973-1988… I am really into this one from 1980 that has DH singing the title track off Sacred Songs, my favorite record having to do with those guys.
I remember being 10 and “Sara Smile” and “She’s Gone” being on every radio station you’d tune in, all the time.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I am shamed to admit I like them, as well.
My like stems from their 80s stuff, though.
I really like some fairly horrid music.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
it's not horrid if it moves you
That’s what makes music so intense as an art form, there are times like the 1970s when even the pabulum is like Mozart-good for a while… in the 1970s even the awful music was awesome. Early 1980s too… the worst Flock of Seagulls or Duran Duran song is like Beethoven compared to the shit they sell the kids today.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
that's true.
but that means we sound like old men complaining about the music of these kids today.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
yeah you right
now get off my lawn!!!
[[shakes rake, drops glasses, dodders around helplessly looking for them}]
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 7, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
I spend a lot of time on YouTube
looking up old “performances” from Top Of The Pops, Rockpalast, and American Bandstand.
I just discovered early Squeeze. Accordingly, my “originality” rating for Blur went down about forty percent.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, squeeze was pretty awesome.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I gotta get it. I got-gotta get it.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
thank you.
I can die in peace now.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
It's all about the Tribe! And we know I don't mean the Indians...
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
freak freak the funk the funk funk freak freak the funk the funk funk (ya got ta)
After Hours, they was cool.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
No. They haven't.
They are a business IN Oakland. Do you react this way to every business that leaves Oakland? Doubt it. Look, I feel bad for Oakland. While I keep hearing about a number of great things about the city, you rarely see it and/or it rarely gets attention. That being said, Oakland has no ownership of the A’s whatsoever and to think just because the people of Oakland need the A’s that brings some sort of sense of entitlement is ridiculous. That doesn’t mean it won’t hurt and hearing about it doesn’t hurt. That I get. It’s your home and it’s like watching your best friend move away. This goes back to the conversation of A’s fans and Oakland fans. The A’s don’t (and quite frankly shouldn’t) care about “Oakland” fans. Doesn’t mean they should be rude about it or disrespectful, but they need to care about A’s fans first and foremost because there are a remarkably small number of “Oakland” fans (percentage wise) and they don’t make the team any money. Again, hurts to hear, hurts as a reality, but it doesn’t make it any less true. I’d hate to see them move 30+ minutes further south because it makes it harder for me to get to games, but I’m all for it if it keeps them in the bay area and keeps them a viable team in the long run. And that’s what the team should be and needs to be focused on. If you don’t want to see them leave Oakland, then you need to be pushing your city counsel about it and not being mad at the ownership for doing what it should be doing, i.e. making money like any other business.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
correct me if I'm wrong
but if people want the A’s to move to their city, isn’t that an attempt to “GET THEIR OWN TEAM!!!”?
I think
you just sank his battleship.
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Spoken like a true "uppity" San Franciscan.....
talking down his nose to us Oaklanders. Heres a bit of advice, keep your snotty comments like this on blogs, cause we both know they would not be said in person……
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Uhhh
we’ve had this nonsensical discussion in the bobblehead line. It’s no fun trying to discuss a topic with someone who refuses to see the facts.
You're going to hollywood!
by sf drift king on Feb 6, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a bit of advice for you
Keep your e-thug bullshit elsewhere.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Feb 6, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
sage words.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
as well as thymely.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
really peppering in those comments, eh fellas?
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
such capers we pull here on AN
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Let's stop before oregano say something hurtful.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Don't you dare bring up Rosemary again!!!!!!!!
You savage bastard!!!!!
:_)
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Only because you messed around with Jasmine
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
But not with Terri!!!!
Ha ha ha ha!!!!
I don’t get it.
-Cindi
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
he got caraway
and rubbed sea salt in the wound, what an anise.
Some people lack even the most basil tact.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
(bows to your snark supremacy)
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
thank you
and yes, I speak Chive.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh please
You’re All Spice and no herbs.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
well, you're wrong on the herbs (puffs, passes)
But your comments have stung me to the Coriander nonetheless.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol......
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“We’ve forgotten how to love our world
And sadly, in this fall
We’ve forgotten how to blame ourselves…
… the biggest shame of all”
Enemy______
Without provocation some time ago
They invaded my private domain
They plundered, pillaged and stole my food
Inflicting emotional pain
I defended my home the best that I could
I tried to hold my own
But they pressed ever on in tenacious attack
With a fervor I’d never known
They attacked at night or in the dark
Their stealth was quite surprising
They seemed to know just when to strike
A remarkably organized uprising
This war raged on for months and months
It seemed to never end
In spite of the bloody battles I won
They attacked again and again
I enlisted mercenaries to join my fight
They welcomed a role in this war
They introduced chemicals into the fray
And the enemy existed no more
I celebrated victory for weeks and weeks
Amazed at the ease of the fix
But I discovered this morning to my chagrin
The ants are back at #506
Leon D. Schlossberg
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 3:45 AM PST up reply actions
I just dont like the perception.....
that someone from SF is talking down to me on the back of others comments. If he has something to add then he should add it, rather then stick his finger out yelling “nee nee ner nee ner” at a person obviously in the midst of an impassioned debate.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 7, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
What debate?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Obviously.....I do......
Folks from SF making fun of those less fortunate in Oakland is not a new revelation, I mean come on man. Many of us on the East dont side take slights from the other side of the bay very well.
If this is new to you, wow……
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
It's the perspective of one who has lived a whole life in one area
Celebrating my 5 year ANniversary... (SPWC/K56/ThePilotsDaredMeToDie/Gaijin_Suketto)
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
You're a fucking nut.
sf drift king said nothing about ‘less fortunate’ people in that comment, in Oakland or otherwise. And then you add a veiled threat?
You really give the City of Oakland a bad rep.
People in Oakland will never take kindly to those in SF
trying to make fun of them. That is all.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 8, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
How do you know that the person you are speaking of is even FROM SF??
Mind you – I don’t know one way or the other – but that is a supposition – which if inaccurate – taints your entire “argument” or “debate”.
You're some kind of berry, right?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I do not get the Lew Wolff bashing.
I think the city of Oakland is more to blame, well the governing body.They screwed the A’s with the renovations to the Coliseum for the Raiders. The Coliseum was a great place to watch a game prior to the building of Mount Davis. Sure, it would have needed some renovations, but the issue of a new stadium would not be as grave. Since then, the A’s have tried to work with Oakland to get a new stadium but the powers that be gave little to no attention. Lew Wolff proposed sites in Oakland, one being on the waterfront (I think) and one at the Flea market right by the current stadium, but that was given no interest. After investing time and money into the process, they moved to Fremont and we all know how that went. Then came word that Bud Selig would be open to the A’s in San Jose. After this, miraculously 3 sites in Oakland became perfect for a stadium. What changed? The fact that the A’s had an option other than Oakland in the bay area? This, to me, seems similar to the neglecting bf/gf who pays little to know attention but when they are left for greener pastures they act like the victim. If anything, the Oakland governing body seems to be the real A’s haters. To be fair, the City has always had much graver concerns like murder and a struggling school system. I love the A’s and think a move to San Jose would be in their best interest. Does this make me an Oakland hater? Or could it be the fact that San Jose is where the money and people (largest population in Northern California) are and money and attendance are what the team needs.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Feb 6, 2010 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What changed??
The politicians for one, due to elections and term limits, as well as MLB agreeing to a task force rather than some fake Oakland hating owner pretending to try and get things done in Oakland. Lew Wolf has wanted to move the team since he bought it, and he has been driving the fans away too. All so he could claim hardship and poor economics as excuses to move the team.
Why was there not as big an uproar over Freemont, cause its rater close to Oakland and chances are it would have still been called the Oakland A’s (kinda like the Angels in Anaheim yet still associated with LA). Nevertheless, many of us were against Freemont too, thousands in fact.
Nonetheless, to say Lew Wolf genuinely tried in Oakland is total crap. He made ridiculous demands on taxes, financing, and the like that he new Oakland would never agree too just to say “he tried”. There was no good faith, just good BS.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 6, 2010 3:16 AM PST up reply actions
The people who brought the Raiders to Oakland are not gone
IDLF was key to that ridiculous deal adn he was siting front and center at that press conference saying “we have 3 sites for you to look into.” One of which was already deemed unworkable long ago, one that requires 57 parcels be purchased from 33 land owners (including 2 private residences), and one that has a Union Pacific Railroad Right of Way running right through the middle of it. Pointing at 14-20 acres on a map and saying “this might work” is hardly clearing a path.
It seems you bought into the window dressing that Dellums and the rest wanted you to buy into. “Hey we put out 3 sites!”
Compare what Oakland has done with Fremont and San Jose and it is really amazing to even pretend that Oakland has done anything of substance.
In Fremont, they have selected a site and presented a conceptual plan. Fremont is not exactly ahead of the curve, though… They are counting on the County to buy the land, which si probably a death blow for that “plan.”
San Jose has purchased a portion of the land, will release the completed revised EIR within a week or so, and has land banked to swap for the rest of the parcels. In all honesty, taking Territorial Rights out of the equation… San Jose is an advisory vote away from a stadium.
Oakland is light years behind.
And just a PS-
In Fremont they would not have been called the Oakland A’s. If you think that you are crazy. My guess would be Silicon Valley Athletics @ Fremont. Though, the “@ Fremont” part was the only thing ever somewhat announced.
by jeffro on Feb 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Light years behind?
Ridiculous statement.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
tabkeeper, fsu, whatever your real name is
Things Oakland hasn’t done that need to be done:
Outline a plan for how they would purchase one of the spots (in Howard Terminal’s case, not such a big deal, though I don’t think Howard Terminal is really a good spot for a ballpark).
Select one of the two potentially feasible sites to actually pursue.
Begin an EIR process and include the two sites (one primary/one secondary).
Complete the 18 month process.
Avoid the same pitfalls that have derailed Oak 2 9th in that EIR process.
I would imagine it would need to go on a ballot at some point, at least in an advisory capacity.
You know this as well as anyone, but preach on! Some in the choir are listening. It is possible some of the leg work to get to this is already underway or done, though for the EIR to be started we would know about it.
By light years I mean… all goes well in San Jose we are looking at a new stadium in 2014. All goes well in Oakland, what 2016? 2017? Probably longer? So not technically light years, but real years anyway.
Hey, the City of Industry got a waiver on their CEQA requirements to build a football stadium
The floodgates are open!! Petition the state assembly! We can get this park built tomorrow as long as we scratch the right backs up in Sacto! =P
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
just to go off on a tangent
This legislative end-around on CEQA and the City of Industry Stadium EIR could really be the harbinger of a Brave New World in California development and politics.
Sure, it was only a CEQA exemption from re-writing the EIR to more comprehensively address traffic flow issues, but this is really the first hole in the dike, chink in the armor, etc. I could easily see free market, anti-regulation types sticking the jaws of life into that little hole and ripping CEQA wide open. I’ll be the first to admit that CEQA has huge issues and has become almost more a tool of NIMBYistic obstructionists than a legitimate regulatory tool to ensure environmental impacts are mitigated, but (believe me) CEQA, as is, is infinitely preferable to no CEQA. The next few years are going to be wild, groundbreaking times for planning and development in our dear state.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
Your list of steps totals 18-24 months
and your last paragraph admits as much, even using SJ’s best case timeline. Your hyperbole was poorly chosen. If it were a ballpark building race starting NOW, San Jose is surely ahead, but not so much so that it’s a prohibitive, decisive factor. Far from it. Also, I don’t understand your comment title.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Just look at how long we've been talking about a new ballpark in Oakland, let alone anywhere else
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Honestly
All things being equal, Oakland is 24 months behind and counting today. The best case scenario for San Jose is opening day 2013, if it happens… It would probably be 2014.
The 2001 HOK study put the construction time for a new ballpark at around 2.5 years.
The whole process, including site acquisition,/site preparation was budgeted to take 21 months total, running concurrently for a quarter or so.
You have about 24 months worth of work to even get to the point of site preparation now in Oakland. If it started today, which clearly is not going to happen. Those 24 months worth of work don’t exist in San Jose, because they have been undertaken for the most part.
Precisely
Could not have said it better myself.
Keep A’s in OAKLAND!!!
When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk
by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I find it funny that you picked that name. Charlie Finley was two-faced when it came to keeping the team in
Kansas City. He told the KC fans that they were staying, while at the same time making a deal with Oakland to come to the newly built Coliseum.
Yea, I understand you picked the mule and not the actual Charlie Finley for a name, but it’s still a silly observation of mine.
by LoneStranger on Feb 6, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
very observant
but you can’t blame the Mule!
When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk
by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 6, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention
he tried to move the team to Louisville… Also Dallas and Denver at one time or another. I find San Jose far more favorable than any of those places.
And if the Giants were the only Bay Area team from '58 to '10, and MLB was looking to expand now
or someone was looking to relocate, San Jose would beat out Oakland any day of the week.
I'm not sure San Jose would even be considered, but if they were...
…then yes, I agree they’d easily beat out Oakland.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
The only reason why San Jose isn't up for grabs
is because of the Giants territorial claim. They had a minor league team there when the city was fairly sleepy, and now that San Jose has grown due to massive development from technology companies, they are going to cash in for a payday. It’s like a home developer that buys land 45 years ago and holds onto it, only to sell out at its peak value.
Near the top of the list for any franchise to move to on the West Coast would be San Jose. The logical choice is the A’s since they are fairly close already.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I have nothing to base this on...
…other than reading for more than a couple decades on expansion, MLB history, etc., but I believe that if the A’s had never moved to the bay area, San Jose would still be viewed as just a part of the bay area and that it would never be considered for major league expansion… regardless how big it’s grown.
Even the AL expansion into Los Anegles wasn’t without drama and wasn’t as much a sure thing as one might expect. I believe MLB would pursue other cities and markets to cover more of the country.
Things have changed as now MLB operates as a single entity, whereas back in the 50s and 60s the two leagues were more independent, but I think that today’s corporate environment would make a San Jose expansion even less likely.
The single biggest thing in San Jose’s favor right now is the fact that… in a reasonable sense… the A’s are already here.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Gammons did no suggest that the A's contract
He said if the A’s don’t get a new stadium than MLB might eventually consider contraction. If anything, Gammons spent more time talking about the A’s history of moving to new towns than suggesting the A’s be contracted.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Fuck Peter Gammons.
Gammons is an Oakland-hating scumbag cocksucker.
And Magic Mike, you’re gonna run into some copyright issues there. At least block quote that stuff.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
Maybe there's a reason to hate on Gammons
To each their own, you know?
But MagicMike’s synopsis of Gammons’ article ain’t it.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Ain't no synopsis.
It’s pure copyright infringement. It’s all just copied and pasted.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Did Gammons run over your cat?
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
Peter Gammons
systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the cocksucker hates our team.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 5, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
+100000000000000000
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 5, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Liking Bean and hating Oakland......
are two different things grover.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 5, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Beane
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Feb 5, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Fine
Gammons has said plenty of nice things about the A’s, especially during the late 80’s/early 90’s.
The monster at the end of this blog.
He said our promising young shortstop could be MVP.
That was nice.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
that don't matter.
You weren’t stuck out there in the middle, hungry for A’s news, and your only source for anything past the box scores or the paragraph blurb each paper was Peter Gammons.
I will never like that man, and I will never be convinced that he is anything other than an A’s hater.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 5, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Granted, I can't speak for the 70s/80s
But I highly doubt Gammons and every other mainstream writer has some kind of vendetta against Oakland. There are 30 unequal MLB teams. What motive would Gammons have for specifically picking on the A’s?
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
He wants Brett Anderson
For his beloved red sox in the dispersal draft
You have no freakin' clue what you're talking about
Gammons was not preaching contraction in this article.
The monster at the end of this blog.
He's claiming its an option
No mention of the oakland sites or fremont. In his view its San Jose or bust.
I wonder, if we placed the question of him being an asshole aside,
Does he know something about what the Blue Ribbon Committee is going to recommend to Bud?
by LoneStranger on Feb 5, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Curious timing on this article
When supposedly the A’s San Jose report is on Monday
That's what I was thinking.
Last chance to stir up contraction talk before the BRC recommends SJ?
First dig because the BRC is going to recommend Oakland?
by LoneStranger on Feb 6, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
He's claiming it might be an option
IF the A’s don’t get a new stadium. And since Oakland and Fremont have both fallen through (in the past) as realistic sights for a new stadium then yeah, San Jose… which has made a strong push for bringing the A’s down… stands as the best chance the A’s have to land a new stadium.
Your post completely misrepresented Gammons’ article. You’re crying Wolff.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It probably IS an option
It was tossed about in the past, and it’s bound to come up again if the A’s don’t get a new ballpark.
Right now, there are no realistic sites in Oakland to talk about because all we’ve got is a rendering or two of an existing place where a ballpark could fit, but nothing else.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I hope your hate keeps you warm at night
If nothing else it will help keep your heating costs down during the winter.
The monster at the end of this blog.
sadly, I don't need that here.
And Gammons is ABOUT the only out there I truly dislike. Well, the only writer. I’m not real fond of announcers.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
way to read and understand the fucking article
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 5, 2010 10:23 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
it doesn't change the fact that Peter Gammons sucks.
and we need to remind him of that periodically. He’s old and likely to forget.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 5, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Even further, he has never worked for the Red Sox as far as I can tell
Last of the Ninth - Photography
he is a Boston reporter, though.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Bill Simmons is a Red Sox fanboy
Peter Gammons is a writer who spent a great deal of time with the Boston Globe, whose home team happens to be the Red Sox.
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
I don't dislike Gammons
just sayin’. He is a Red Sox fan. I don’t find anything wrong with that, personally.
I do.
There’s something wrong with those people.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How dare Gammons talk about how the A's have been smart with severe financial limitations
HE SUCKS!!!111
"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you." - Satchel Paige
+1000
I’m guessing most people don’t even read before they answer. Either that or we need a complete overhaul of the education system.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Well Grover take me for example...
Dammit, you are so right my man.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
Yep
Kind of startling too. I expect more from the usually rational people here. And Gammons has often OVERpraised the A’s (BB, Crosby.)
(and while i’d have to go further to get there, the prospect of the A’s in SJ appeals to me because 1. they’re still in the bay area, and 2. There would be MUCH better weather.
Again, IF something could be worked out well in Oakland, that’d be best, but that’s unlikely and in SJ there would be, gasp, actual warm cozy night games, shorts weather all summer etc. THAT i’d love. The one thing about A’s games that’s always really bugged me is the usually frigid night games and only tepid day games.)
Deswho?
by supersugarCrisp on Feb 6, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
reading comprehension
ftl….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
by ST on Feb 6, 2010 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
And quite honestly, I think the last line does suggest contraction.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
Um, he mentions contraction once.
Specifically,
may once again raise the specter of contraction
Suggesting contraction? Hardly.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
I think it's worth quoting the whole sentence:
Unless a compromise can be struck with the Giants on territorial rights in San Jose, to save the franchise owned by his college roommate Lew Wolfe, the future may once again raise the specter of contraction.
What a weak sentence. Unless something totally plausible happens people might start talking about contraction. Not to mention Fremont and other Oakland sites as two other possibilities (although they seem slightly less likely).
Man, unless I go to the store and buy some food the future may once again raise the specter of starvation. I might check in my fridge, too. Not sure yet.
by DDroney on Feb 5, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
must have been a damn big apple
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
You're just mad that all you've eaten is an orange
And they’re just not comparable.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
another extremely weak part about this sentence
his college roommate Lew Wolfe
The “his” in this sentence refers to Bug Selig, but Selig’s name is not mentioned anywhere in the article. I searched for it. Probably this is an error that was created through editing, but it’s just really sloppy.
there are several people mentioned by name in that paragraph
but I doubt the Uncle Lew was college roommates with Matt Holliday, Adrian Beltre, Marco Scutaro, or Billy Beane.
If anything...this is a pretty good PR article for the A's.
It’s basically saying, from a completely 3rd-party perspective, that 1) the A’s are and have always been a very viable franchise from a baseball perspective and that 2) their best chance to actually reconcile their viability both on and off the field on a long-term basis is a new baseball-facility in San Jose.
Maybe I’m biased because I actually agree with Gammons’ conclusions…and maybe I haven’t been around long enough to grow to hate the man…but this is an innocuous article and his “hints” at contraction are pretty-well qualified as to make them conjecture at best.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Keep in mind that he never says the A's would be contracted (in the itty-bitty throwaway)
Based on his other conclusions, it would make more sense to contract another team and move the A’s into their stadium.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
As somebody who likes the organization and doesn't really give a crap about Oakland
I, too, am rooting for a stadium in San Jose, even if it means all my “Oakland Athletics” apparel will be out of date.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Feb 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
As an A's fan in North Dakota... I agree completely. I don't care if or when they move and what the team name becomes.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
This is pretty much how I took it as well.
If anything, he did a good job pointing out that the A’s are one of the more successful on-field teams IN SPITE OF their history of financial constraints.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
troll.
I’ve seen the kind of posts that are given strikes, and if this site had the kind of standards it thinks it does, this post would get the troll standard of approval and be banished into the ether.
But good on you dude, you got at least 47 comments.
Nick Swisher is handsome.
What exactly makes you think the post hasn't been flagged and dealt with according to AN's policies?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
A website's standards are not measured in
the speed at which it banishes posts. One way in which AN stands out is the extent to which it does not really on banning.
As a general rule, exclusivity and high quality tend to go together. And by the same token, sites which try to welcome all comers are the most like to degenerate into stupidity. AN is one of the rare sites that attempts to be both inclusive and non-stupid, and while it is imperfect in both respects, you’d be hard-pressed to find another site that manages the balancing act better.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I would probably be a regular here for the people and the conversation
even if it were a machinists’ blog or a couchsurfers’ bazaar…
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, is couchsurfering a sport?
Because if so I hope SBN makes a blog for it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Blez needs to go beyond sports...
1- figure out something people are interested in
2- make a blog for it
3- profit
4- lather, rinse, repeat…
Of course, this means that many popular AN’ers would be getting their own spinoffs…
“Iglew Explains It All…”
“The Leopold Bloom Happy Funtime Stalkers’ Club”
“SoiNteRsperSedwIThCapITalLetTersButwhY?”
“Deep Thoughts… with Cindi”
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Oooh I like
He could make “Dead Man’s Dead Site.” Where no one’s goes to post including me. Wait. That one might not work out that well. I’m totally signing up for “The Leopold Bloom Happy Funtime Stalker’s Club”. I have good thoughts to share about that in a fanpost that just wouldn’t be appropriate on AN. Hell, I might even teach good ol’ Leo a thing or two he didn’t already know.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
OK, I shudder to think about wtf kinda spinoff *I* would get.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
That. Was. Awesome.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Just so you know,
NM may kill me now.
Hello, and welcome to "The Leopold Bloom Happy Funtime Stalkers’ Club"--I am your host, Leopold Bloom
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, why bother banning someone
when it’s much more efficient, and works much better to just keep them here and call them on their bullshit
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
And who doesn't enjoy a good gangbang every now and then.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I love you right now.
I mean, me and these other 5 people.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I didn't have my glasses on and read that as
“why bother caning someone”
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 7, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think that's only in Singapore
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
not if I have anything to do about it!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
here's my synopsis of every article ever written by Peter Gammons
Wealth is great and Power is awesome. Wealth and power must always be served, most preferably in ways that assist people in NEVER NOTICING that their own personal wealth-and-power aspirations are being manipulated by the wealthy and powerful to ensure its ongoing, illegitimate and mendacious dominion over Human Consciousness continues in perpetuity.
The rich and powerful are always right, for the simple reason that they must be because they are rich and powerful. To be un-rich and unpowerful is the greatest affront to the sensible, successful mindset of Wealth and Power that could possibly be, surpassed only by the audacity of the un-rich and un-powerful to actually make Meaningful and Substantive Critique of wealth and power to its face, sometimes with innovative systemic and statistical approaches that GASP! JEEVES, FETCH ME MY VAPORS!!! might allow allow the un-rich and un-powerful to compete with those above them in the awesome, great and very necessary Hierarchy of All Things determined and implemented by (guess who?) the wealthy and the powerful!! Funny how that works.
Conversely, the absence of wealth and power makes me focus on what I perceive to be the lesser aspects in myself, so lack of wealth and power make me uncomfortable and feel I must attack those I perceive to lack it with utmost contempt and a matter-of-fact tone that always reminds us that HEY, it’s supposed to be this way… wealth and power say so and wealth and power are wealthy and powerful and awesome, right? They are rich and successful and we want to be so we will take what they say so seriously we’ll construct a whole social paradigm around it, without ever even considering what’s being done to us in the name of and the pursuit around (yep) Wealth and Power.
I pop up on TV and in the paper, and when I do, my Corporate wealth-n-power Masters make sure that whatever I write or say accomplishes the agenda of wealth and power, often accompanied by the Swelling Strings and Heroic Horns on the soundtrack so YOU WILL ALWAYS KNOW WHAT TO FEEL AND WHAT TO THINK, and that your only, subservient role is to be swept away into playing along with a way of life that has nothing but the lowest and most base contempt for you. Why, Brad Pitt might even foil the terrorists, save the Pope, get the girl and kiss her on the lips as the credits roll in one of my articles, that’s just how phony a constructed simulacra my whole career has been, is and will always be.
I have other similar colleagues around, getting paid by wealth and power (cough Ray cough Ratto), whose primary objective is to assimilate the non-wealthy and non-powerful into the Baseball Borg of shiny, happy homogeneity and who write and say words that are primarily designed to be a cheerleading section for the Assholes Who Have All The Money and Really Don’t Need a Goddamned Cheering Section, lest the unwashed, most unwealthy and unpowerful readers out there forget what is really important and what side their butter is breaded on.
I am the mass media, and I tell you The Story… no Story ever told by anyone was more patently false and ridiculous, but that doesn’t stop me from doing all I can to make sure that The Story is in your face and on your mind 24/7 for your whole lifetime… I guess my Story has a few holes in it and the repetition is there to remind you that you’ve always been at war with Eastasia The Boston Red Sox.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 1:41 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
ok, maybe my Karma ran over my Dogma a little
and I need to stop channeling Karl and start tuning in Groucho or Harpo Marx… what I meant to say is that The Red Sox and Yankees and ESPNs and money determine, or think they do, what The Narrative is, and the A’s (bless ‘em) are a constant source of toungue-clucking consternation for their acolytes like Gammons, if only because places like Oakland and teams like the Athletics prove to them that their way (the way of top-down, plutocratic hegemony over who gets the best players, the most media attention and can therefore buy the most rings) might not be the only way. And that that is their worst fear, that (like PG said in his little piece there about how we could win the division this year) we might take our big ol’ slice of nothing and make something (something competitive) out of it, and therefore challenge their Story while (oh no! even worse for the advertisers) taking so many pitches that the casual fan would be able to stay awake better watching cars rust in slow motion, on Quaaludes LOLOL.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 3:27 AM PST up reply actions
I like Oakland.
And I really wish the A’s would stay in Oakland.
But sometimes I think fans of Oakland are all too quick to perceive a slight against their city, rightly or wrongly. Not everyone has a personal vendetta against Oakland.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
in the mass media there IS a vendetta against this city
See this SI cover? It’s from 1969 but very little has changed in terms of what is emphasized by papers and TV and so forth when describing the events of Oakland:
Nice cover eh? Just look at that masthead… they sure are starving in Oakland, aren’t they? Can’t even hit a home run onto the steps at the Coliseum without running into a soup-line on the way ’round the bases, can you?
Then you read the article, and it’s talking about how poor Reggie J was growing up… in Wyncote, Pennsylvania. From the cover, you’d think there was a photo spread about how the gang members on International Blvd. & 97th Avenue are shooting up the home games, and that that is the reason for the low attendance, but nope! it talks about about the grinding poverty and deprivation Reggie experienced… in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
This is the rule rather than the exception… months ago my mom sent me a NY Times restaurant review about a place in Oakland, and the first 2 paragraphs were all about the gritty, crime-infested streets where wild packs of dogs surely must roam in the night in search of fresh prey, whilst a senile Ronald Dellums cackles complacently to himself in his Crystal Lair high above the mayhem.
The only thing was, the restaurant in question was on… Piedmont Avenue. Hardly the Oakland of everyone’s self-aggrandizing & viscerally-terrifying nightmares, but that didn’t stop homeboy from writing about it like he had somehow wandered into some Too $hort rap about Fine French Cuisine.
If it bleeds it leads, and I’m afraid that the thing that makes Oakland a big media target for lo these many years in that there are poor & activist-minded black people here, that are perceived to have challenged the status quo of things in various ways and with varying degrees of success, particularly back in the day (1960s/70s), and this is what takes the very urban things that go on here out into the Mad Max scene we see so many writers and pundits (hint: they’ve never been here) writing about, and more so than other cities that have exactly the same urban issues with drugs, jobs, guns, gangs etc.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Feb 6, 2010 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
....
In the 1960s, poverty was a HUGE issue in Oakland.
That article mentions that issue, and because of it, it talks about why the Oakland A’s stars of that time (such as Reggie) are so important to the city. I fail to see how praising one of Oakland’s bright spots in the 60s (the A’s) amidst all the turmoil in the city at the time constitutes a “personal vendetta” against the city.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Yikes...
Block quotes?
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Feb 6, 2010 4:34 AM PST reply actions
Gammons suggested nothing of the sort
You really ought to edit this to reflect that.
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You also really ought to edit this to give some actual thoughts of your own
All you did was paste the link in and copy a section of the commentary.
Come on, man.
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Is there a triple faceplam picture somewhere?
This thread needs one.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
There are images out there with many more but this should be a good start
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Kanye West
You know it’s bad when he has his head on his forehead.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
We could go with that.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
I like this one:
Stewart: "What really needs to be clear is it wouldn't have mattered if there was an earthquake or not. We were going to beat the Giants.
Even Jesus facepalmed when he saw this post
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Excellent! Now we're talkin'.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
I think Peter Gammons is one of the best baseball writers ever
and I think it’s silly to think he “hates” the A’s.
I never understand why people think reporters hate their team. Gammons I’m sure works the A’s for information which is his trade so why in the world would he hate a source?
you will never convince me otherwise.
I do not think this about any other writer/reporter. Gammons is an A’s hater, from long ago.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
The only reason why reporters are A's haters now
Is the lack of results. If we had won 90 or even 87 games, it wouldn’t be a big deal.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 6, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
He hated them in the seventies and eighties.
I could not care less what he’s written and/or said in the past twenty years. If I had the time and energy to go back and make a collection of all the disparaging things he repeatedly said about the A’s (if he spoke of them at all) during those years, you would understand why I feel pretty strongly about him. Again, he was essentially the only additional news coverage I ever got of the A’s in Northern Indiana.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
There were a lot of negative things to be said about the A's in the late 70s and 80s...
I mean, the team spent no money, often drew fans in the four or even three figures, and was, for the most part, horrible on the field.
What, exactly, was positive about the franchise at that time?
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Well, let's see, there was Billyball and Rickey and Tony Armas and Rick Langford and Dwayne Murphy and Mitchell Page and the Haas family and...
I’m not interested in debating this with you. If you do not think my point of view is valid, that’s fine.
I however will not move from the point of view that Peter Gammons was unreasonably negative/dismissive of the A’s during that period.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
But then in 10 – 20 years Ratto could suddenly throw a ton of praise around about the A’s while being a national sports writer and I (and many) would probably feel the same about him the way you do about Gammons so I don’t think you need to support yourself.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Ok, I won't try and convince you, but...
…I’ve just never seen A’s “hate” coming from Gammons. Not everything he says is positive, but nor should it be as it’s not always worthy of being so.
What are we at the park for except to win? I'd trip my mother. I'd help her up, brusher her off, tell her I'm sorry. But mother don't make it to third. ~Leo Durocher
Just saw fanpost and have edited accordingly
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Wow
Without the copywrite infringement, this a fanshot.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
In other words, "copyright infringement FTW"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So hold our horses
There is a lot of misrepresentation going on in the comments here.
Listen, I am a fan of the City of Oakland. I spend more free time there than I do in any other Bay Area city (just slightly more than I do in San Francisco and probably about twice as much as I do in San Jose).
The truth is, as an outside observer… the City of Oakland’s government is useless. They made their choice when they decided to bring the Raiders back at a time when the incoming owners (Steve Schott and Ken Hoffman) were already proposing something similar to what was being planned in Anaheim.
This is a loooooong and twisted tale that starts right there. That link is an excellent article written a few years ago by Robert Gammon, detailing the original plan to move to Fremont.
The lack of vision from the City of Oakland is crazy. To bring in 8 football games a year, they effectively have eschewed 81 baseball games. Have fun with that…
In 2004 Steve Schott pledged to spend $100 Million on a stadium in the Coliseum Parking Lot… There was Nimbyism from the Raiders and the Warriors and no plan for how to come up with the other $300 Million to make it happen.
Seriously… Nobody knows what the report being released will recommend, but contraction is highly unlikely considering the league would need to contract two teams and Tampa Bay has a commitment from the league for a team through 2030 and everyone else has a new or renovated stadium.
I expect the report will just lay out facts, as in a move to San Jose impacts the league overall revenues by “x” number and the Giants by “y” number. A new stadium in Oakland could reasonably be expected to be completed by “x” year and the trade off in revenues between that and the scenario in San Jose or Fremont is “z.” They may include a “contraction would cost ‘x’ and result in ‘y’ change to revenues” sentence. It may include an “other markets to consider” section and then some associated math.
Those numbers will make the recommendation.
If I was a betting man I would stack them like this:
1. Open San Jose
2. Wait for Oakland
3. Push Fremont
4. explore San Antonio, Portland, Charlotte, etc.
A bunch of other things…
155. Pay the A’s owners $330 Million to go away and fold up the tent
by jeffro on Feb 6, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Yay
Sanity returns to the thread!
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
Boo
Sanity returns to the thread!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 6, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh
Sanity returns to the thread!
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
GAH!
GET OFF ME! GET OFF ME! GET OFF ME!
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
{beats recliner chair to death with broom handle}
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
Great, now I want Jimboy Tacos.
I need to live in Reno and become a degenerate gambler. I mean, more than I am now. I could redevelop that budding crank habit I had back in the mid-nineties, start my own traffic school, shave my head and take to wearing inappropriate and ill-fitting wigs…you know, fun stuff.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
Damnit
I love Jimboy’s Tacos. They have those in the Sacramento area and they taste SO GOOD.
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Now you're just trying to piss him off
Or bait him. Are you fishing for a LB off the coast of Sac?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Sacramento Mexican Fast Food Guide
Yes, Jimboy’s has good tacos, but other elements of their menu (quesadillas and nachos) are over-Americanized and cheapened. They use bagged chips, and canned cheese. There’s even that fake nacho cheese BS in the quesadillas too.
Del Taco is better than Taco Bell, but there are Del Tacos in the Bay Area, right?
The best taqueria in Sac is Chita’s Mexican Grill on Q street.
Or, you can just drive down Franklin Boulevard and eat anywhere you see. Generally, the scummier looking the location, the better the food.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I do like Del Taco too, sometimes
But for the most part I’m trying to do a better job of eating at home instead of going out. I’ve found some good places near my place, at least.
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right on... I cook a lot, too.
I’d cook mostly vegetarian things, but my sweetie needs MEAT! So I slip her the meat, but still, she wants steak afterwards anyway!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
She's so going to cheat on you.
Why’s she going to stay home and eat her faux-nuggets when she can go out to a restaurant and get her steak too.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
It's not possible for her to cheat on me...
We have an open relationship.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Ah... that's Sweet
And Savory
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I'm leaving tonight.
I’ll be there in….eight days.
…..fuckin’ bus….
Hello, and welcome to "The Leopold Bloom Happy Funtime Stalkers’ Club"--I am your host, Leopold Bloom
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 8, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
He said they have an open relationship
He didn’t say she was easy. Hello, she likes “STEAK”!
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You. Are. Awesome.
And G_S better watch out, cause LB’s coming to town and he’s on good roll. I think it’s sourdough.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Mmm, sourdough!
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
hmm... no Bloomie reply...
that either means he’s got a lot of signs to make, or…
HE’S ON THE BUS RIGHT NOW!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Or your lady friend is enjoying the taste right this moment.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Actually, she's home sick today with a cold...
so she’s watching Farscape in the other room…
…season 4, with the blatant S&M overtones…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
You really shouldn't share her then
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
what makes you think I share HER?
I’m the whore in the relationship!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Someone doesn't understand the "open" part
of the open relation.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Oh, we get it...
I could go into incredible detail, but it would just be TMI.
So, I’ll leave you with some descriptive phrases, and you can fill in the blanks if you want…
crossdressing dominatrix
cheap bacon
10W30 motor oil
Craigslist
housecleaning fetishists
rubber sheets
tire chains
homemade torches
a suitcase full of razor blades
apple pie
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah... and the last one
PROFIT!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Um...
By someone, I’m now referring to me :)
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Oh, and kinky
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
oh... I'll help out...
We agreed before we ever got together not to force monogamy on each other as a condition of the relationship.
I was a crossdressing dominatrix before I met her, and had no intention of stopping such a fun and lucrative hobby/vocation.
I don’t actually have sex with any of my paid clients, and the ones I do have sex with don’t pay (I’ve grown fond of them and taken them into my stable)
We’re such confident people in our own skins, and we love each other so much, that jealousy doesn’t even come into play.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 10, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
"Bash-terisked" is fun
I say he’s still got it.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
The Detroit Tigers
play in a ghost town, but they can afford to pay free agents.
Build a stadium in Oakland!
" Sleepy Floyd is Superman!!!"
Last year,
Detroit averaged 31,693 people per game.
Oakland averaged 17,392 people per game. Last time Oakland was close to 31k? 1992.
by LoneStranger on Feb 6, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I read the Gammons article before seeing this
Gammons is pretty positive in his treatment of the A’s, and basically says that they deserve better from Oakland than they have been getting.
The Athletics are 160 games above .500 over the last dozen seasons, and if the stadium had been maintained and honed as a baseball-only facility, maybe it would have worked. Even with the possibility that the A’s could be the best team in their division in 2010, right now there doesn’t seem to be much hope that the franchise can ever be much more than fattening frogs for snakes.
Too bad. Intelligence and competence should matter, but in this case it doesn’t, which is how the Raiders rule and the A’s are pleading to find a way to get them into San Jose, or out, period.
Unfortunately, some people like CrAzYcApSdUdE are making this discussion into a personal attack thread. Oh yeah, and jeffro’s comment above needs to go green (and gold).
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
I'll do it, but take note that I still think Gammons is an asshole.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hey
Even an asshole can occasionally do something people will like. Doesn’t mean they aren’t still an asshole, just means they did something you can kind of sort of accept as kind of sort of good even if it’s done in a kind of sort of assholely kind of sort of way. Get what I’m saying?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
That's exactly what I thought when Ratto wrote is Bill King column last week
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
That's why I can entirely accept LB's disgust of Gammons
Even if I don’t entirely understand why.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
well...
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 6, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Got that part. I understand, sort of, just not entirely. More specifically I made an analogy to a possible future Ratto just after it. So I probably understand a lot of it. But since i don’t feel that way about Gammons (mainly since I haven’t actually seen the specific comments you don’t need to dig up that I trust exist), I can only empathize and not sympathize. Either way, I do entirely accept your disgust over it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You mean the green one?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Dang, so this is where everyone has been all day.
If I might revisit the SneakyBooty-vs-everyone brawl from way up-thread, someone asked “Are you an A’s fan or an Oakland fan?” Like it’s a bad thing to be an Oakland fan.
Like SneakyBooty and unlike nearly everyone else here, I am an Oakland fan. Actually, I’m both since I’m as A’s fan, too. But if ever the two come into conflict, I put Oakland’s interests first. So for example, if moving to San Jose would be good for the A’s but forcing them to stay in Oakland would be good for Oakland, then I want to force them to stay in Oakland, even if that is bad for the A’s.
But the key word there is “if”. Where I differ with SneakyBooty is his assumption that Oakland’s interest is synonymous with the keeping the A’s. But it’s not necessarily. Somewhere above, contemplating the possibility of the city losing the A’s, SB asked, “what about all the poor kids in the flatlands? Doesn’t anyone care about them?” Well, you know, I’d guess that a whole lot of those poor kids don’t really give a shit where the A’s play, but they probably do give a shit if their neighborhood has lousy schools or lousy police.
On the whole, I think it is good for Oakland to have the A’s, which is why on the whole I hope the A’s stay in Oakland. But that doesn’t mean they should be kept at all costs. For example, if building the team a free stadium would be good for the A’s but letting the team move away would be good for Oakland, then I want Oakland to tell the A’s to take a hike, even if that’s bad for the A’s.
I don’t think it’s likely to ever come to that, but it’s not completely inconceivable. Just look at the Raiders deal. Was that bad for Oakland and good for the Raiders? I think it was. If you’re a Raiders fan and not an Oakland fan, do you like that deal?
My point is that I don’t think saying “the A’s must stay in Oakland no matter what”, as SB seems to be saying, is the same as being a true Oakland fan.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
by iglew on Feb 6, 2010 11:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
For Record
That was me who brought up the A’s Fan vs. Oakland Fan up. And intertwined with the conversation, I didn’t suggest that that was a bad thing. Far from it in fact. I actually spoke a lot about the very concerns about the city of Oakland that you just did and that keeping the team there may not be in the city’s best interest. I specifically brought it up in the context of whether or not the A’s ownership should concern themselves with Oakland Fans who like the team and want them to stay because they’re a very, very small percentage of the team’s fanbase and ultimately not where, as a business, the A’s money comes from. Oakland Fans, like the city of Oakland and the Oakland City Counsel have a lot more important issues to deal with and should concern themselves with than the fate of a single business that may or may not actually make the city money nor be a net benefit. And while I’m an A’s fan first and foremost, I wouldn’t want the city of Oakland to do something monumentally stupid to keep the A’s in town at the expense of those important issues.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
not to put too fine a point on it
But the last 15 years or so has shown that Oakland’s leadership doesn’t really know what’s good for it. The Raiders show up and local politicians fall over themselves trying to renovate the Coli as fast as possible and the costs overrun substantially. In the early stages of new stadium talk, the prime locations near JLS are given to condo developers. Meanwhile, many of the same image problems and infrastructure problems the city has remain. The schools have gotten no better, the police department is kind of a joke, and I think the mayor groundhog reared his head on Tuesday to indicate six more weeks of winter.
If the A’s leave, it will be a substantial loss, but perhaps one that will allow the leadership to re-examine priorities.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 7, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
That's kind of where I see it too
It’s sad really. The A’s start to take a serious step out of Oakland towards a bigger city and suddenly instead of focusing on the real problems the city has, they decide to waste their time trying to keep them. All it looks like is an attempt to be able to say “Well, we couldn’t fix crime, schools or anything important, but we did keep the A’s from leaving during our term.” The city counsel needs to focus on the city, not on keeping a sports franchise in town. It doesn’t make the loss of the team any easier, but it’s in their best interest to let the whole San Jose thing play out. If in 5 to 10 years the A’s are still there and the city is in better shape, then you revisit it, but the city problems and needs need to be priority number one.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Gosh, I hope I didn't give the impression that
I’m a fan of Oakland’s city government!
I am an Oakland fan, which means one of the things I root for is for the city government to get its head out of its ass.
Alas, that is sort of like rooting for Eric Chavez to be healthy.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Well spoken
I, on the other hand, don’t give a damn one way or the other. I’ve always been a NRA’s fan and unless they move to Sacramento that’s how things are going to stay for me. I’d like them to stay in the general Bay area ’cause that keeps it a relatively easy trip for me to make. (And if they do perchance wish to come to Sac than what sucks for you works out great for me!)
They can stay in Oakland and I’ll be happy. They can move to Fremont and I’ll be happy. San Jose… same thing. They leave California and I’ll be pissed.
Here’s the thing. The city of Oakland ruined… absofuckinglutely ruined… the first big league stadium I ever walked into when they whored themselves out to bring the Raiders back from LA. In my mind they need to make some kind of grand gesture to the A’s to keep them within the city limits. That doesn’t necessarily mean financing a brand new stadium; the economic times won’t allow that. I’m sure there are other things Oakland can do to entice the A’s into staying. And if the city won’t do those things than I’m not sorry for Oakland and its citizens, they chose to sleep with the guy who wears an eye patch.
The A’s need to make more money so they can spend more money. That by and large means a new stadium. And I don’t care where in the Bay area that happens.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Sigh...
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by the_rozeboom on Feb 7, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
What a beautiful park. The club should move there.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 7, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
come to Sarasota--
there’s a picture, about 48" by 48" on the wall of a bar here of the old Coliseum and I can’t convince anyone here to create a big enough diversion for me to pry it off the wall and whisk it away. Fucking moral bastards.
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by Leopold Bloom on Feb 7, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
You mean, you don't even have one friend who'll yell
“Holy crap! Someone’s screwing a police horse in the parking lot with a sharpened car bumper!”
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 8, 2010 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
That only works once
And the dude used it to… well… I’m not going to say what. Of all the things he ever did, this was LB at his absolute worst.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I have this picuture up in my garage
I could do nothing but laugh when, recently, my 9 year old daughter and I were watching the 1989 ALCS on MLB Network and she asked, “Why don’t they play in that stadium anymore?”
RIP Oakland Coliseum, it’s a shame what they did to you.
The Oakland Coliseum is the Michael Jackson of stadiums
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
We must be huge in Europe still
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 8, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
I should just get over myself and get one of these
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 9, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
You know that's hot
Melts snow on contact
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Feb 9, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Agree with all of this
And, just to add, I was ecstatic when the Raiders moved back to Oakland 15 years ago. The city screwed the pooch by not giving the A’s somewhere to build a new ballpark.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
Dear Sir,
I am writing to complain about your use of the offensive term “screw the pooch.”
Sincerely,
Poochini
P.S. Call me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Don't be so ruff on him.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Well that was a fun waste of an hour
I go away for a weekend, and I have 600+ comments to wade through…what did I learn?
- Apparently the only true Oaklanders are from the “flats”
- New San Jose is a city that spits on poor Mexicans and is all computer engineers
- There are TWO, count em TWO bathrooms on the 3rd deck concourse
- Lew cries Wolfe a lot
- Fremont is all NIMBY’s…
- 99% of all attendees at A’s games are from the East Bay, which apparently doesn’t include Fremont either, but does include Hayward
- Gammons is from Boston and a part of ZOMG! THE MEDIA ELITE!!
I’ll keep it simple…KEEP THE A’S IN THE BAY!
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
by kbtoyz on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're also down a few IQ points
like the rest of us.
by LoneStranger on Feb 9, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ahh yes, that too
It’s also SF Beer Week…so that was kind of already a forgone conclusion…
Uh oh…did I just out myself as one of those snobby elitists! :)
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
O man I'm jealous
We had our first beer week in November down here( San Diego ) and it was spectacular. I would have been drunk as a skunk this week if it were SF beer fest, yall have some awesome events planned.
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