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Learning & The Brain (And The A's)

Worry not, this post is about baseball and the A's, not just basketball and the amygdala (a word which starts and ends with a's -- see how it all comes together?).

But today we start with a challenge that each of you can try. It's very cool. I saw this at the Learning & The Brain conference I attended last week, and we'll be connecting learning, the brain, and athletes later in the post.

In order to participate you need proceed in this order:

INSTRUCTIONS: In a moment, when you follow the link and play the video, you will see basketball players, some in white shirts and some in black shirts, passing a basketball around. Your task is to try to count how many times the players in white shirts pass the ball. Remember to count only passes from the players in the white shirts.

Now you can FOLLOW THE LINK and watch the video (and try to count passes by players in white shirts). When you are done watching the video, then come back and "jump" to the rest of the the post.

Star-divide

OK, now that you've seen the video, the question is: From which side did the gorilla enter?

If your response is "What gorilla?" please answer "a" in the poll. If you noticed the gorilla, please answer "b." (If you have seen or done this experiment before, please don't participate in the poll.)

The best part (for you) is that if your response is, "What gorilla?" now you can go back and watch the video again. Don't worry about the basketballs this time.

Pretty funny, huh?

The human brain selects, omits, fills in, ignores, assumes, and processes in ways that only the most complex thing on the planet could. And in the world of brain research, as in medicine, psychology, and everything else, there are always concepts that becomes areas of focus during any year or era.

Right now I'm hearing a lot about "mindsets," specifically the distinction between a "fixed mindset" and a "growth mindset." A "fixed mindset," also known as a "Bobby Crosby mindset," tends to believe that intelligence/ability is static, that people generally "are the way they are," that the brain/abilities are like clay, molded early on and then the rest played out like a Freudian destiny. A "growth mindset" tends to believe that intelligence can be developed, that the brain/ability is a muscle that is ever developing, that obstacles can be overcome and one's "destiny" changed. {If you're interested in the concept of "mindsets," here's one link to a user-friendly flow chart. Much of the foundational research and writing on mindsets was done by Stanford Professor of Psychology Carol Dweck.}

I thought Ray Ratto had an excellent piece Friday on Kevin Kouzmanoff that illustrates the "growth mindset" and how it might be predictive of an athlete's ability to adjust and improve. (It also highlights the importance of having a good carpenter.) I highly recommend reading the column and I also invite you to consider whether this "mindsets" distinction might be one of the "X factors" that explains why some athletes stagnate while others meet their potential.

Ha ha ha! Gorilla.

Poll
Which result did you get on the challenge?
I got result "a"
164 votes
I got result "b"
185 votes

349 votes | Poll has closed

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Giving a test on a Saturday morning?

How rude.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Feb 27, 2010 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

Did you forget to study?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I suggest moving poll off front page

People may see the question before they watch the video. It only works if they don’t.

by boilerdan on Feb 27, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

I just changed it. In the preview,

the poll appeared after the jump. Thanks, preview.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Kind of cool

I counted 14 passes by the people in the white shirts but noticed the gorilla suit show up from the right, pause in the middle, then continue off to the left.

This reminds me a little of a science experiment one time in high school where the teacher challenged willing students to try listening to two conversations at once without losing track of one or both of them. He didn’t think anyone could do it but I was able to sort of focus just enough on each one that I got the majority of both.

I guess that makes me “special” (quiet, all of you).

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Feb 27, 2010 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

Aha.

I didn’t vote because I had remembered this test from a psychology class a while back. Silly gorilla.

Taken down with hearts alive, our hearts alive.

by danmerqury on Feb 27, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

So the key is adding a guy in a gorilla suit?

Hasn’t helped the Phoenix Suns much, but I’ll admit it hasn’t been tried in baseball.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 27, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

New found respect

for Kevin Kouzmanoff. He used the word “whomever.”

“I just started working on it, and I kept at it until I got better,” he said. “I don’t remember the guy’s name, but a shout out to whomever wrote that.”

by timed exposure on Feb 27, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

Unfortunately, he used it incorrectly

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 27, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree that it's worse; disagree that Kouz is wrong

“whomever” in the quote is the object of the preposition “to”

(I take it, Nick, you were reading “whomever” as the subject of the verb “wrote,” but I actually think “wrote that” is an adjectival phrase here modifying “whomever.”)

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 27, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

No, the object of "to" is the phrase "whoever wrote that"

The case of the relative pronoun is governed by its use in the relative clause, not by the relative clause’s role in the sentence. “Wrote” needs to have a subject, and its subject ought to be “whoever” not “whomever.”

“I really like the guy who wrote that.”

“I really like whoever wrote that.”

“I really like him, who wrote that.”

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 27, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction!

Now could you give us a tutorial on the proper use of “yins”?

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 27, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Commas

Does one always go inside the closing quotation?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 27, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Forget it dude.

No one understands the rules for English grammar. For every single “rule”, there’s an exception. Why is this?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 27, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No Idea

Aren’t there exceptions to every rule, though?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 27, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah....

Try telling that to the IRS one of these days.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Feb 27, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you have a comma at the end of a quotation??

If you are writing dialogue, it goes within the quotations I believe.

by Berry Jo on Feb 27, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

How about:

“A small dot looks a lot like this!”.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

lolz

i actually laughed out loud for real

by ramon on Mar 1, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Woo hoo!

Victory is mine!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 2, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

speaking of Kouzmanoff

here’s a video interview from comcast (not Urban).

Once again, I like how he is always looking to improve every aspect of his game.

by OaklandSi on Feb 27, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Chris Carter

I’ve watched Chris Carter pretty closely over the last couple of years. As I’ve mentioned in several posts, it was obvious he was working things out, trying to learn and get better. Saw it at Stockton, but even more so at Midland. Like Kouz, Carter knows there is always something to improve, no matter how good you are currently. That is why I have said from day one that Chris will reach his enormous ceiling.

by redtopcowboy on Feb 27, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Question on test

OK, I’m an idiot. What gorilla?

But seriously, I was concentrating on WHITE shirts, deliberately ignoring BLACK shirts. So I don’t see the difference in ignoring black shirts and ignoring a black gorilla. Visualy similar, in a blurry sort of way.

Change the video and have a girl in a RED dress walk across and determine how many people see her.

by redtopcowboy on Feb 27, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

The point is that if you are trying to track white and ignore black,

you will not see a black object because your brain is focused on ignoring it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

So the test is designed to teach people to be racist?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 27, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Only if Black is capitalized.

Lower-case makes it a simple color thing.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Feb 27, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

So if we saw the gorilla

We actually lacked the focus to block it out. FAIL!!!

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 27, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

People really missed the person in the gorilla suit walk into frame?

I think this would’ve been more difficult if the people with the basketballs looked like they had seen one at some point in their lives before shooting this video. It was too easy to keep track of the passes and notice other things because the people involved were so robotic and slow and clueless in their movements. I think if you put even D3 college players in that video, seeing the gorilla becomes more difficult because you HAVE to pay more attention to the movements and passing.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Feb 27, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

People really do. lots of 'em

I first saw the video in a comp sci class and it was about 50/50 (counting only newbies). I was one of the half that didn’t see it.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Feb 27, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see the gorilla, and neither did my wife.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 27, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw the video for the first time at an ivy league reunion

and only about 1/3 of the people in the audience saw the gorilla. the professor doing the presentation said that ivy leaguers perform worse on this test than do average people

The A's. The SWINGING A's. That's right, the SWINGING A's.

by eastcoasta'sfan on Feb 28, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 28, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Overachieving Ivy league nerds would take the test seriously

and try to do really well to show the world how smart they are, thereby missing the point of the test. Average people pretend to buy into the experiment, give up around half way through, sit back and say “Hey, there’s a monkey”.

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me

by padmadfan on Feb 28, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

You could be describing Angels games.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 28, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well played sir.

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me

by padmadfan on Mar 1, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Very good one (Angels fans, pfft.)

Though I’m sure most Angels fans would see most A’s fans as Ivy league nerds who despite their intellectual prowess, missed the gorilla in the room.

Anyway. Love this post. We are malleable beings but mostly formed fairly early.

I like Kouz’s attitude and all. But I take all of this stuff with a grain of salt, particularly until I get a better feeling for new players like Kouz.

In other words, some players talk the talk well, but are more or less “who they are” and not prone to actually enact the new talk into their game. While at the same time, some guys who seem entrenched in “their ways” actually do grow, just don’t have the personality to think or talk about it.

Deswho?

by supersugarCrisp on Mar 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

What I noticed - as I was intently concentrating - is that all of a sudden the screen got crowded and SOMETHING got in the way of my counting.

I did not perceive it as part of the video even tho I noticed something was different. However – once I reviewed the video I wondered how I could have missed it!!!

by Berry Jo on Feb 27, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

lol. Me too.

I got annoyed that it seemed like there were more black clad people blocking my view.

don't grow up too fast / and don't embrace the past / this life's too good to last

by goldfish on Feb 27, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Nico if you could stop walking into the video I would appreciate it. Im trying to watch people pass the ball.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Feb 27, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

If I'd known that was Nico, maybe I would've noticed. Nico, can you wear your red dress next time?

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 27, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No. It doesn't go with my stiletto heels

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

A similar experiment, somewhat more unnerving...

set off your (little) kid’s smoke detector while the kid’s sleeping, and see if he wakes. We unwittingly tried this the other night when my wife burned a pizza. Neither kid (2 and 4) stirred during the two minutes the alarms in their rooms were blaring. I’d heard of this before but was hoping it wouldn’t apply to my children. Wrong.

I’ve heard that for children it would be better to have a smoke alarm that was a recording of a parent saying “Johnny get the f—k out of bed right now, please!”

by skutch on Feb 27, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Even more unnerving....

….actually set your house on fire. Then see what happens.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 27, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

the gorilla will make it out

but none of the neighbors will notice

by skutch on Feb 27, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This reminds me of a joke

A physicist and a mathematician are asked four questions.

First question: You have a pot, a sink and a stove. Your goal is to boil water. How do you do it? Both of them say to put water in the pot, put it on the stove, then turn on the stove.

Second question: You have a stove with a pot of water sitting on it. Your goal is to boil water. How do you do it? The physicist just says to turn on the stove. The mathematician says to pour out the pot of water, thus reducing the problem to the previous problem (already solved).

Third question: You have a house on fire and a hose. Your goal is to save the house. How do you do it? Both of them say to hook up the hose to a hydrant, then put out the fire.

Fourth question: You have a house not on fire and a hose. Your goal is to save the house. How do you do it? The physicist says not to do anything at all. The mathematician says to first light the house on fire, thus reducing the problem to the previous problem…

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 27, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

As a physicist, I approve of this joke

BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD. BEER IS GOOD, AND STUFF.

by doctorK on Feb 27, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That last part is correct

And you can get alarms like that, now.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Feb 27, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is the gorilla making out with?

I missed that, even on my second viewing.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 27, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

Reply fail - @ skutch

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 27, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Hang on, you're going too fast

{furious notes, annotations, and flow charts on pad}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

It’s a gorilla, not a monkey!

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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 27, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Golly gee willikers

I might be dumber than anyone thought.

by sirbed on Feb 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

That was a terrible interview, is Greg new? Every time he asked a question it seemed like he had no idea what he was talking about.

by Sir Realist on Feb 27, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Greg the gorilla?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 27, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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