Will Carroll's Team Health Reports and Where's Dallas Braden?
Last Wednesday, we had a very interesting discussion on the topic of pitcher health, which also dipped into overall player health. I promised I'd have an article discussing Will Carroll's Team Health Reports (BP Subscription), and just in time for this week's discussion, here it is!
Carroll begins his analysis with a summary of Oakland's health last season; discussing the two years under a new trainer (Stephen Sayles took over for Larry Davis in 2008). He makes sure to point out that even with getting rid of players like Rich Harden and Huston Street (who drag the injury average down), we had "what's left of Eric Chavez" and "a group of young pitchers who recall Harden in both talent and risk".
The following comment made me pause; it's very similar to what I asked about pitcher health:
I've always wondered why the forward-thinking A's braintrust didn't use the cheap path of sports medicine to try and gain on their rivals.
Despite how we might feel watching the A's limp off to the DL year after year, Carroll assures us that the A's haven't lost much more money due to injuries in the last three years than the league average (and most of it was because of Chavez). He does question why--when pitcher depth is so important with a rotation of young starters--the A's settled for the risky Sheets and Duchscherer when they might have added a low-injury-risk innings-eater. Carroll makes the observation we have all pondered; that $10 million is a lot of A's-money, and Sheets is a gamble; albeit a very short-term one.
However, as Carroll aptly states, the A's likely have a Plan B:
The rotation is two things: good and young. Those two spell risk, but a deeper look at the A's roster also offers a possible solution. There are, at the very least, nine valid candidates for the major-league rotation, so a quick call to Sacramento is all it takes to swap someone in or out.
He also adds a caveat to his calculated injury numbers:
The A's should be sharp enough to handle this one, so take that into account in both assessing risk and playing time projections. Also, note that the ratings below do not do this. It expects top starters to stay in the rotation all season long and assesses the risk in accordance.
So, the big question: How does Carroll rate the 2010 Oakland Athletics in team health?
In case you are not familiar with Carroll's work, he uses his system to assess key players for each team with a Red, Yellow, or Green ranking for potential injury risk. And if there's a flaw in the design, it's that the system only allows for five starting pitchers to be evaluated; which doesn't exactly work for the A's and their seven legitimate starting pitching candidates.
Starting Pitching
As we have all surmised by this point, the A's starting pitchers fall pretty squarely into the "red" category. Obviously Duchscherer faced multiple issues last year, and as Carroll points out, "it's very hard to pinpoint return times" for an off-field issue. Obviously Sheets' injury history is well-known, and Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson both fall into the Verducci Effect, (or the Year After Effect, which found "that pitchers under the age of 25 who have 30-inning increases year over year tend to underperform"). Anderson and Cahill are both red, and the only reason Gio Gonzalez is yellow is because Carroll assumes that he won't get enough innings to be in the risky red category.
Here is the point where I have a question for the fantasy baseball world (and it explains the title of this post). I did a recent interview for a fantasy baseball radio station, I have read my share of articles on the A's 2010 pitching projections and starting pitching rotations, and throughout this off-season I have consistently noticed a glaring omission in all conversations and articles about the A's starting rotation: Dallas Braden isn't considered a shoe-in for a starting pitching role outside the A's circles.
I understand that he got lucky with his numbers last season, I understand he missed the end of the season with a mysterious ailment; I even understand that Trevor Cahill is part of the future for A's pitching (and so he should be). But after Braden's performance in the 2009 season--and barring an injury or a complete meltdown during Spring Training--he WILL be in the rotation. The #5 spot will go to either Cahill or Gonzalez (you all know Gio is my pick, and obviously, I'm not alone on AN after yesterday's fabulous post!). Neither will make the team at the expense of Dallas Braden. Perhaps Carroll's "limited innings" projection for Gio allows for Braden as the other starter, but Braden's injury report was actually the one I was most curious about, and I am disappointed it wasn't included.
Bullpen
Good news on this front; both Bailey and Wuertz are green with no additional comments. I imagine the one real injury concern of the 'pen will be Joey Devine, but other than that, the A's have a good, deep, healthy bullpen that should see a lot of work this season.
Outfield
I love Carroll's comparison:
LF Rajai Davis: One of few Athletics that lives up to the team's name, Davis actually plays through injuries well and has very good speed. Like Rickey Henderson, Davis is fanatical about stretching.
Davis and Cust are both green, Sweeney is yellow (as expected), and I'm sure everyone can guess Crisp's ranking after his shortened 2009 season.
Infield
The A's have historically healthy catchers ("And no one knows why"), Pennington has no issues, Ellis is borderline red, Carroll suggests Fox as a replacement for Barton at first (I hear ya, even if you did give Barton a green light), and Kouzmanoff at third base is green, as well. I'd give Chavez (Carroll's back-up third baseman) a "black" ranking, but they don't have that color, and Carroll doesn't even bother, nor should he. It will take some kind of a miracle to get Chavez out on the field, and even more than that to have him produce.
However, I'd like to point out that unless there is something I haven't yet considered, only Fox OR Chavez will make the 25-man. Someone isn't reading my posts.
So overall, about what we expected, right? The key to the A's season lies almost entirely in the health of the starting pitching rotation; everyone else just needs to stay away from windows, pools, Bobby Crosby, and alarm clocks.
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Guess I should have previewed the Winter Olympics? ;-)
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
So...how was Lost?
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
Oh no
BaSeBaLlGiRL is talking to herself.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Seriously!
Geez…you miss one men’s figure skating Olympic thread…
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 17, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe title this one, "the Elephant(s) in the room"?
There is not much to argue with — if Braden pitches like he is capable of, he will make the rotation. But, if that foot still bothers him, all the argument about who should start at AAA will be a moot point because one of Mazarro and Cahill will be here if we assume Gio gets that now 4th spot.
Did it mention anything about Gabe Gross? If Crisp can’t go – he figures to get a lot of time out there.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
If you want people to stop ignoring Braden
You’re going to have to start posting comments like “WHAT DO YOU EAST COAST BIASED MFERS HAVE AGAINST DALAS BRADON?” on every site. That’s how you get results in 2010.
I like the cut of your jib
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 17, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at the comments to the BP thread,
Will Carroll says, “I’m told he’s the #8 on the board right now…” Why? Only health would put him that low.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Health concerns?
He can feel all his toes now! Infections aren’t really a lingering injury, ie pulled hammy, so assuming that he is in fact past the infection, what other injury could they be worried about on him?
Not just athletes, Athletics.
You wonder if "I can feel all my toes!"
has a +/- of 2. Maybe he really means he can feel 8-12 toes.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hmm
If he has 12 toes, I suppose the only question remaining are:
A. Are they webbed?
B. If they are webbed, why isn’t he a swimmer?
C. If they are webbed, and he IS a swimmer, could he beat Phelps?
Not just athletes, Athletics.
I have webbed toes
But alas there are only ten.
/jealous
Antonio Alfonseca would be proud.
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
Dallas supposes his toeses are roses
and figures there must be a dozen there.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
You would think, but the A's have cleared him to pitch, right?
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 17, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
That would be so funny if it wasn't so sad.
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 17, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I wish he would text me :(
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Myabe he meant Urban's toes
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Maybe he amputated his..
and put on Urban’s toes, hence the text?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
not sad - glad
it would be sad if he couldn’t feel even one toe, since that could affect his balance, alter his pitching, and possibly lead to more injuries.
I don't know why (besides pure homerism)
but I have a good feeling about the health of Sheets and Duke. Obviously Carroll’s red rating is warranted, but I really do think they’ll pitch through most of the season. Sheets has had a year off, and some of his injuries have been ones that aren’t exactly likely to come back (like his inner ear infection).
Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.
I agree on Sheets. A year off might be the difference
Duchscherer is another story. Like Carroll said, it’s really hard to gauge an off-field issue. You can’t put a timetable on when he will be “better”, not even he can, ya know?
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 17, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
$10 Million is a lot for Sheets?
Come on. I don’t care. It’s not my money (actually it is since I pay for tickets and cable to watch a shaky product). The A’s can afford $10 million for a pitcher, no matter what they tell you. Sheets is a talent.
No one's put up a Will Ferrel pic up yet?
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
Black?
While reading this post, the first thing I thought was, “I am going to reply that Chavez would be the color black.” 30 seconds later, I read your quote. Touche.
And 10 million isn’t a lot for Sheets. It is pretty apparent the A’s are going to have to overpay for any free agent. Terrible ballpark, terrible facilities, minimal crowds, it doesn’t matter what us die hards think, no one wants to play in Oakland.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Feb 17, 2010 11:20 PM PST reply actions
WHAT'S WRONG WITH CAHILL?
I’m in Vegas, so I don’t get to watch too many games. But I saw him pitch last year (June?) against the Dodgers and I liked what I saw. What am I missing?
He gives up about a million more homeruns than he should
And a lot else ;-) but he’s a rookie. Most people just need he needs some more seasoning in AAA.
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est
by baseballgirl on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
What you missed is the larger picture.
You probably saw a good game. His numbers over the whole season weren’t so great, and his peripheral stats were significantly worse than his basic ones.
Some people go overboard with the negative rhetoric, but it’s true that he wasn’t very good.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Needs to throw strikes and needs to develop an "out" pitch
Gio has an out pitch and just needs to throw strikes.
Cahill scrapped the curveball and with it, all his strikeouts. If he has it working again, he has a good chance of being the 5th starter. If he doesn’t then we should all be hoping he goes to AAA to work on it. Without it, he just doesn’t have the upside we all thought he did.
He could be a servicable 5th starter while eating up service time, but I’d rather keep him away until he is really good and then get the max value out of him while he is with the big league team.
Most people THINK
"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

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