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A letter to the committee, from me

It seems that the SnE@Ky TrOlL has been slain.

GoOdByE

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 15, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

 

I cannot take any happiness in this situation. It is unfortunate that anyone would ever behave disrespectfully enough on AN to merit banishment. However, I am not here to cry over the departed. Far from it. I, quite frankly, am seriously concerned that the action of banishment came too late, after many feelings were hurt and much damage was already done.

 

Quite frankly, this action should have been taken in response to obvious baiting and blatant disrespect in the Gammons thread, or the Frank Thomas thread, or sooner, before the rot was allowed to further fester.

I understand you folks have a committee, and that's fine. However, at your next committee meeting, you folks should come up with a plan on what to do when trolling breaks out in between committee meetings.

Maybe you should have a rotating hall monitor... someone who reads every comment anyway, and can take immediate action against blatantly obvious baiting and trolling, such as sending a warning to the poster's email in as close to real time as possible.

AN is a very open and diverse community, yet it takes give and take for us all to get along. When someone comes along and takes and takes and takes, and gives nothing, and gets away with it for a long time, it devalues the rest of our contributions, and harms the community at large.

I know these last few days I've been worried that no one's at the helm of the ship. It's good to know that there is, but there's got to be a sailor (if not a captain) on the bridge every day, especially in iceberg country. Otherwise, there won't be a ship left to hold the committee meeting on in the first place.

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What did I miss?

Sorry long day of work and watching Olympic coverage. I read a guy spouting off some bible verses and a bunch of people flaming him but I must be missing something.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 15, 2010 10:38 PM PST reply actions  

Is it metathread time again already?

(checks watch)

Yep, sure is.

Here, let me save us all 1000 comments. It’s all Nico’s fault. He’s the antichrist.

I told all of you this in December.

We’ve got another, what, five days til pitchers and catchers, then another two plus weeks to Spring Training (which means only 17 more shopping days for you!). Once baseball season starts, none of this shit will matter to any of us. Same shit as last year and the year before and the year before…we get bored and tired and cranky and start attacking each other.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 10:55 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

No we done!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes we do!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't spell!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha!

You can’t spell!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate you!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Same here buddy!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

You channeling Don?

You’re stealing his schtick. Evil Don might gut you. Watch your back.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't kill me twice

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

depends if Good Don joins him.

Good Don, despite the name, is quite possibly more dangerous than ED.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The worst they can do is adjust my stick.

I don’t care if Big D is Good or Bad, he ain’t gonna want to touch that.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

pardon?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 15, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

you're either gonna hafta get more evil

or we’re gonna hafta change it to like Malevolent Don or something along those lines.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

You won't let me have my Sweet sweet Faustus

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 16, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweet sweet Future Ed.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He really needs to clone himself

And then try to get a little lucky. Then maybe he can become evil enough.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If he’s gonna gut you, why would he approach from behind?

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

his methods are mysterious even to me, monkey.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It involves a sock puppet

But don’t worry, the sock puppet suffers a much worse fate.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

HE'S NOT YOUR BUDDY GUY!

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Feb 15, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Bu-bu-bu-but-he said we were :(

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not your guy, friend!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I'M NOT YOUR FRIEND BUDDY!

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Feb 16, 2010 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

(sigh)

Well, then you need to participate.

Make wildly inaccurate or impossible to verify claims and attack anyone who dares challenge them. Make sure the claims are personal in nature and bound to offend at least one sect of AN.

If I may make a suggestion, discuss how much better this site would be without all these god damned stat geeks ruining everything with their number gobbledygook.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not tall enough to ride this ride.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

That never bodes well for me...

It’s like I come on very strong. I am a very…I’m just very. V-E-R-Y. And if you can’t handle very, then I’m a douche bag. But I think the world needs a little very. That’s why black people love me.

by LongLiveLangerhans on Feb 15, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

VERY > vErY

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 15, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

FoSho

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I was doing my John Mayer impersonation up above.

It’s a pretty funny interview, I thought more people would have read it and got the reference. Apparently, in an interview largely focusing on his reputation as a douchebag, Mayer thought it would be a good time to bust out the n-word and call gay people fags.

Anyway, I was going to respond with more Mayer quotes from the interview, but then I got sidetracked with reading for class tomorrow and researching other disastrous celebrity interviews. Mike Tyson is fucking crazy, by the way.

by LongLiveLangerhans on Feb 16, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Mayer?

Nathaniel Mayer was awesome!

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

How 'bout Russ Meyer?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm more of a Meyer Lansky fan myself.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I still miss

Dan Meyer, first baseman extraordinaire

Ooo! Piece of candy!

by ChickenStanley on Feb 16, 2010 2:26 AM PST up reply actions  

...

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Nathaniel Mayer

RIP. I found him only through his last record, and that is a shame.

by mk on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

.

1. Hi! Where ya bean?
2. Worth looking up and tracking down, is he?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey hey

I bean around, lurking in the shadows, reading sordid tales of signs and the like, while waiting impatiently for Opening Day.

Mayer’s definitely worth a look if you’re into classic soul/R&B…his early stuff’s not bad, but I actually really like his later stuff where his voice sounds like he’s been gargling gravel for a decade.

by mk on Feb 18, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You had me at the alliteration.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

-1

Does anyone do -1s? I am somewhat new to AN. You all are great btw.

Ps.. I can smell it (baseball, the field, the crack of the bat, etc). And yes… I am able to smell cracks of bats.

When its time to shoot, shoot... don't talk

by Charlie O the Mule on Feb 19, 2010 7:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

By original derivation, "+1" means

one additional person who feels the same. So in the original sense, you can’t add a -1 to an opinion since you weren’t counted among its adherents in the first place. (Come to think of it, I suppose if you say +1 and later change your mind you could -1 to cancel it out.) By the same reasoning, saying +1000 to signify enthusiastic agreement is equally nonsensical.

But of course hardly anyone is so literalist about it anymore. People say whatever they want.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 19, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I love iglew, but this is awesome.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 19, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If you conceptualize "+1" as one vote in the direction of the OP,

then “-1” as one vote opposite to the OP makes perfect sense…

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 20, 2010 2:24 AM PST up reply actions  

so we could/should have an anti-rec button?

then we’d have to decide a color for a posting if it reached -3, like dark brown or something.

How hierarchal!

We could have something akin to the Oscars and have a contest for the best posts of the year. It’ll be glorious.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

't'would be interesting if a post got 3 recs and 3 de-recs.

We’d need another color for that. I vote shit brown for the anti-rec color.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I do wish there was a way to -1 rec some of the stuff that gets 3+

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Feb 20, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

AN divided

But I didn’t say it would happen. Just that it would be interesting if it did. Actually, come to think of it, there was actually a full post that most definitely gotten 10+ antis and 10+ recs.

But at the very least, an anti-rec would be a nice non-flagging way to show polite disapproval.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I like red.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You know, this off season has been really meta thread light.

More bANinnations please! The next 8 days are going to be hell.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Feb 15, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

you and PT are both smelly and stupid.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

How's your cold by the way?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I’ll step away and then let us know what you think of them.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I think you need to take a step or two closer to them.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 15, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell no.

I never said they weren’t ugly.

by Nate on Feb 15, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Nico and the mods

I mean that in the gayest straightest sense possible of course. This literally was a rare day where I was not able to spend time online and I was’nt being sarcastic when I asked what I missed. I understand AN needs to be moderated and as long as there are no swastikas in the mod’s future sigs I suppose I am fine with that. Of course my personal belief is less is more in regard to moderation as the act will always be hypocritical. I figured I missed something other then random bible verse posting vs. anti religious e-posturing. We definitely need some spring training to discuss.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The Church of Baseball,

Ray. The church of baseball.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 15, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm 100% certain

I would be struck down in any church for the things I have done. And when you are talking about terawatts it simply doesn’t matter which god is tossing them. Thank goodness the A’s cant draw enough deities to spot me at the Colosseum.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 15, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

we love you too

am I a Mod? I always identified as a Rocker, hmmm.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

No, en, you're "the man"

at least in terms of AN.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

More of a "mocker" really

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 16, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Pssh, Ringo beat you to that joke.

From A Hard Day’s Night, I think.

Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.

by danmerqury on Feb 16, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He can't beat me to it if I stole it from him.

he is an old man after all.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 16, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Metadump...

…so I can announce that I’ve joined you as an nraf. Altho’ I won’t be as prolific, ’cuz I have a job.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Feb 16, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Hurray for job...

If I needed a real job, I’d be glad I had one, too.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

HE RETURNS.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

this reminds me of a bible verse:
And on that day they offered great sacrifices, rejoicing because God had given them great joy. The women and children also rejoiced. The sound of rejoicing in Jerusalem could be heard far away.

if he’s gone for good, hopefully i won’t confuse anyone else with caps guy and call them an ignorant slut

to saint valentine!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 15, 2010 11:25 PM PST reply actions  

THANK YOU!

I’d bean trying to figure out your *’s for a few days now.

Nice picture. What’s with the knife? We having cake?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

it's from a movie, one that was mentioned in the recent movie DLD.

3-5 people will get it.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

is it from My Bloody Valentine?

Is there a real human heart in the cake?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

no, i've never seen that movie

loveless is a good album, though.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven't seen the new one.

and I had heard the goth band…

I’ma go to bed now.

I wanna watch Barney Miller for some reason.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

not goth

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

not goth, but the bassline in the Barney Miller theme

is up there with the baddest ever in a TV show and is also a M.F.‘er to play, at least if you’re my semi-arthritic ass.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 4:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I can play it...

not perfectly every time, but I don’t practice it as much as I used to when I was 15, either.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

okay, what are they?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, but

If I had to make a mix tape for the divine, this song, “Only Shallow” would be on it.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

from RateYourMusic
Genres: Shoegaze, Noise Pop, Dream Pop, Post-Punk, Indie Pop, Noise Rock, Twee Pop, Neo-Psychedelia, Psychedelic Rock

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

They sound like your ears are drunk and trying to sing auld lang syne in 5/4 time

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco

by bobnothing on Feb 17, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Loveless is one of my favourite records of all time.

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco

by bobnothing on Feb 17, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

THE BOOK OF GENESIS

Chapter One
1. Fade in on a tenement building on Manhattan’s Lower East Side. Faint traffic noise is audible; 2. As is the cry of fishmongers.

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it an airborne toxic event?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You perhaps don't realize that even the bare mention of an airborne toxic event...

… makes my knees weak and my eyelids flutter. I mean, it is like the ultimate, perfect, supracalifragilicious bit of spectacular spectacle ever imagined (ever since Dante, anyway).

Btw, that dust cloud link was giving my Firefox a hard time, refusing to close, like (as I’ve been told!) porno sites used to crash your computer when you tried closing the windows.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

my computer didn't love me last week.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

we'll be hearing from crazy caps dude, and i don't mean a postcard.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yay!

I love visitors.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but how are we going to recognize him when he's on Cops?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

QOTM (although I'm not doing QOTM this month)

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 17, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

YES, YOU ARE!

Now start writing!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Jesus, throw a rock in here, you'll hit one.

And do me a favor, Fink: throw it hard.

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 17, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I missed that other thread until you linked it just now.

SneakyBooty definitely had a chip on his shoulder, and he had a way of hijacking threads by picking a fight with everyone and then playing the martyr.

Still, I’m not sure what’s so wrong with quoting the Bible. I quote the Bible a lot and it never gets me banned. And it’s not like people don’t come up with random off-topic crap out of nowhere all the time.

Of course I would have gone with something from Song of Solomon. Best book in the Old Testament.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 12:50 AM PST reply actions  

+1, quoting the bible is probably the *least* annoying thing caps guy has ever done here

“if i’d known we were gonna cast our feelings into words, i’d have memorized the song of solomon.”

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

The Genesis one was just bizarre. The other two were good ones, except that I’m a KJV purist so it always bugs me to see “love” instead of “charity” in those agape passages.

I do like Peter, though, with his short, manly sentences. St Peter is the Ernest Hemingway of the Bible.

(And meanwhile Leopold and Paris got away with quoting Michel Foucault without even a slap on the hand. Not that I’m in favor of censorship or anything, but you know, if there’s going to be a purge, I vote for the deconstructionist gender studies drivel. Just sayin’.)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

heh

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

and here

I spend fruitless hours, attempting to find the points of connectivity and relevance between deconstructionist gender studies drivel and on base percentage, only to be cut down as if from a swath of Foucault’s Pendulum itself.

Oh wait, that’s astrophysical drivel, I got my drivels crossed again…

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

{ snerk }

fruitless

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Feb 16, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Drivelian logic is not really all that complicated.

Each archaeology of European civilization is worth .21 UZR (Undermining carteZian Reason)
Each deconstruction of phallogocentrism is worth .75 WAR (Writing Aestheticized Reality)

Therefore,

OBP = SLG * Opposing Pitcher’s SIERA (Objectivist Body Politics = Semiotic Labor Genealogies * OP’s Subjective Idealism Embedded in Reenchanted Architectonics)

Unassailable Drivelian Logic. QED.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you teach this stuff?

Because if so I will have to reconsider my erstwhile presumption that the entire world of gender studies is completely humorless.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, I'm not familiar with phallogocentrism.

How does it differ from phallocentrism? Does the -logo- part mean that it’s a system of thought that sees everything in terms of words that mean penis?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

not exactly

More like phallocentrism and logocentrism can be combined into one more satisfyingly awful centrism. But although I slung some abuse your way upthread for dissing Foucault, I’m talking mostly through my hat here; I stuck more with the Nietzschean-Foucauldian strands when I was studying this stuff.

Some wit once said, “Life is not long enough for chess.” I feel much the same way about Lacan. Double (better yet, triple) my prospective span of years, and I’ll consent to slog through Lacan to reach my own conclusion about whether there’s something there or whether the joke is on me for reading it.

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Phallagocentrist=

based around penis logos…

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

except I spelled it wrong and ruined it...

gawshdyggyty.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying the Brazilian Institute for Oriental Studies

 is phallogocentric?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow! I didn't EVER dreamt of that, Horatio!

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Phalloenrectalcentrism?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always thought phal-logo-centrism to be redundant,

since the phallic already indicates a connection between a rational sign system and the power of the big P. But your addition seems right to me, that one might consider phallocentrism to simply be an empirical system of male domination (hierarchies, binaries, construction of the other as deviant), and thus the “logo” drives this back into the realm of language/semiotics/meaning itself.

I actually mostly teach 20th century political philosophy and existentialism (Marcuse, Camus, Sartre), but I also try to demystify postmodernism a bit, having a genuine appreciation for Foucault, Derrida, Cixous, Jameson and others.

Faust’s comment just popped up – I like the idea of an “awful centrism”! And yes, I can’t say I know whether the joke is on me, yet. But I do know that folks don’t really need to know much about postmodernism, since it is really a historically located discourse that spanned a dozen or twenty years and doesn’t really helpfully describe our current world. Snippets from individual philosophers are cool (I recommend Rorty, actually, and Foucault is a beautiful writer and powerful thinker), but postmodern discourse is oh-so-1975, really.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think iglew has a grammar crush on you

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

A grammatological crush, I'd hope

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 16, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys are about 150 years ahead of me.

When it comes to French thought, I’m still in the 19th century. And most of that is by way of opera (eg, Mérimée’s Carmen, which I loved).

I vaguely remember reading some Camus when I was about 14, but I tend to think of that as youthful frivolity.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Genesis? Bizarre? Peter? I got you covered.


                                  “First ballot Hall of Famer”

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

well played

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but it was mixed in with a funny quip about leather culture and a 14th century poem about the Angels!

Are those slappable offenses? If so, I shall consider myself slapped. Must it be on the hand, when there are so many other enticements available?

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It's slappable

But I’m going to go with a Brett Favre ass slap for a job well done. Others may join me just for a good squeeze.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Sir, you are too kind.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Squeeze, eh?

I’d start with “Another Nail From My Heart” and then get discofunky with “Slap And Tickle.”

This lypsynched version of “Up The Junction” from Top Of The Pops is a treasure for Squeeze fans, due to the musicians all “playing” each others’ instruments. They were in between drummers at the time, so Glenn Tilbrook mimed the drum part. Plus, they’re playing on a stage surrounded by giant dicks. Wow!

“Cool For Cats” lives up to its’ name, and we’ve all been “Tempted” by the fruit of another.

Of course, you can’t do a Squeeze retrospective without “Pulling Mussels (From A Shell)”.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

weaker lyrics than all the ones I posted.

Cool Moog, though.

“Slap And Tickle” had the Moog too.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

STOP PERSECUTING ME!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Good grief, man

Foucault was utterly fucking brilliant, and a terrific writer as well. He’d also have laughed at you if he caught you calling him a deconstructionist – he had no more patience for deconstruction than you do. Every intellectual trend has its share of drivel (deconstruction, Foucault’s brand of genealogy, and sabermetrics included, as I’m sure you’d agree), but Foucault wasn’t one of the drivel producers.

I know you’re a highly curious sort and not one of the American know-nothings who have a knee-jerk eagerness to deride any intellectual ideas that smell European so as to absolve themselves from any obligation to have to try to understand them – but your last bit there could have been written by any of that lot.

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps I'm getting the names mixed up.

Did I mean to aim my scorn at Derrida instead? I get those guys mixed up.

I shall endeavor to improve my olfactory discernment with regard to French intellectuals.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol! Derrida is sometimes called a "charlatan," but I think he's a tragic figure.

He wrote some very important and original, if difficult, books that are basically in post-phenomenology (first three books are on Edmund Husserl) and then a number that are sympathetically critical of Heidegger. Then, most of his interlocutors died, he turned to literary criticism for a while, and was “discovered” by Americans needing Ph.D. theses, academic conferences in order to travel to the places of their dreams and be worshipped, and to have a higher-up to worship themselves. By the time Derrida noticed, he was an “event” and no longer a person. He tried to do some more serious philosophy, but his love by that time was for the history of literature and language. Smarty-pants like him should get to write on whatever they darn well please, imho, but nobody is thereby required to actually read it.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S. "Deconstruction is an American phenomenon." --JD

Do I get a slap for that?

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, using the word "deconstruction"

as nothing more than a dead synonym for “analysis” (thereby using it as a pointless substitute for a better older word, while destroying the specific meaning of the word) is very American. I mean, even sportswriters can be found using the word “deconstruct”, which tells you that it can’t possibly mean anything anymore.

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

"Plato's Pharmacy" is a terrific essay

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

As were

Socrates’ lost dialog “Rememdium Casa” and Aristotle’s piece “Alternatus Venenum pro Idiota”.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I recently watched the documentary "Derrida,"

which was actually rather entertaining. Derrida didn’t seem to know quite what to make of having over-ambitious American grad students following him around. Well, actually, he seemed to think it was pretty ridiculous. He kept talking about how artificial it all was, with the cameras and the questions, how that wasn’t what his life was really like, etc. In one scene, they showed some fans/groupies meeting him and pretty much fawning over him, as if by just seeing him they will understand everything he’s ever written. By the end, I almost felt sorry for the guy.

by whiteshoes40 on Feb 16, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I suspect my bitingly sardonic attitude towards groupies

might undergo a dramatic transmogrification if I were ever to have a groupie…

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Though there might still be biting.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Great movie

He is (was?) actually a pretty funny guy.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 18, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

he's dead.

was.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

He WAS dead?

Should we be expecting any forthcoming works from Zombie Derrida soon?

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 20, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions  

It worked for Crichton?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

well, he is a zombie,

but he doesn’t do much but sit around and discuss the nature of zombies.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

So... would you're saying

is that he’s a Philosophical Zombie. I did a couple of papers on them fellas back in my schoolin’ days.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT

once he figured that out, he did it right.

He got a nice, nice job at a not too demanding spot where lots of coeds gathered and worshiped and lived the life we all I dream of.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I'm sure Derrida is the guy you meant to disdain

And I’m no damn expert on deconstruction (although the word has been appropriated and misused to the point where it means almost literally nothing any more), so someone more well-versed than I am may correct me on this. Derrida was also really really brilliant, but perhaps more… flashy? More easily parodied by both admirers and critics?

I never read up on the interpersonal relationships, but I gather that Foucault and Derrida, despite being the contemporaneous reigning Geniuses of the French intellectual firmament, never had much to do with each other. And that that disdain flowed mainly from Foucault to Derrida. I could be wrong.

My personal experience, in reading Foucault, was that I was reading mind-changingly brilliant stuff, the kind of thing that actually changes the way you think about the world. I found Derrida (whom I really didn’t read that much of; my Derrida comes more from friendly secondary sources) a lot more obscure, in a way that (like Heidegger) you sense that while it teeters on the edge of the dazzling bullshit vs. brilliant profundity divide, you’d probably find it on the good side of that divide if only you could afford the time and brain cells to slog through it all. Which I really haven’t, so far, and most likely never will get around to doing.

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said, sir!

Derrida wrote a very nice critique of Foucault’s La folie et la deraison (in English translated first as Madness and Civilization then more recently and unabridged as History of Madness; I use the French title not to be a tweety twit, but because the publication history of various abridgments is complicated) which started a little ping-pong match. Their animosity was not at the level of Sartre-Camus, but for the most part they didn’t read each other’s work, so far as anyone knows.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I enjoy having a real academic back up the words of this former wannabe.

No need to apologize for using the real rather than the translated title. It’s amusing, don’t you think, that a title that should probably be translated as Madness and Unreason was instead published in English as Madness and Civilization?

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Foucault is one of the worst writers I've ever had the misfortune of slogging through

Even in small chunks he’s completely incomprehensible. He’s like the Henry James of philosophers.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 18, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Hegel for me was much much much worse.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

me too!

We’ve got so much in common!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. Obviously I disagree.

Maybe the problem is that you only tried some small chunks? Very profound ideas that address the very frameworks through which we think are inherently difficult to communicate. I always thought Foucault did an amazing job. He was also supremely good at using the interview form (that is, someone interviewing him).

I’d certainly agree with LB’s comment below. Or take a gander at Heidegger some day if you want to experience some real pain.

by Faust on Feb 20, 2010 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Just FYI,

anytime you have to resort to the “maybe you should read a lot more of him and you’ll start liking him!” angle, you have lost your audience.

No one is going to deliberately inflict upon themself a lot more of something that they didn’t like the first time.

This is clearly one of those different-strokes situations.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Au contraire

I read Catcher in the Rye no less than five times trying to finesse why some people liked it.

But, to be fair, CitR was not anywhere near as obtuse and heady as Foulcault and I agree that some things are better left alone.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think of that book every time a Mariners fan

mentions that Ackley kid.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 21, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Every time a Mariners fan mentions that Ackley kid an angel gets his wings.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a real prince, that Ackley kid.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 21, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you read "King Dork"?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 21, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Read it?

He’s liiiived it.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 21, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

no...is it good?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was really good

I’m sorta biased, because I’ve been a fan of the Mr T Experience for years and it was written by their songwriter and lead singer, Dr. Frank (he goes by his real name, Frank Portman, on his novels). It’s a very fun YA novel, and a good read if you didn’t really like Catcher.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 21, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

now THERE's a Deadwood quote.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Not that I'm going to watch it, but

knowing this makes me respect Deadwood a little more.

Even more, this makes me want to actually memorize the Song of Solomon. It’s not very long, and it would be very cool to recite. You’ve given me a new goal.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

the quote is from miller's crossing

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I never knew anyone that made being a son of a bitch such a point of pride, xbox.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If you're going to do something

Really commit to it. It’s how I feel about belching. If it doesn’t have a nice guttural, echoing sound, it’s just not worth it.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 17, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

that's the reply i was hoping for

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 AM PST up reply actions  

it's the reply we all hope for, you know.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Gabriel Byrne

And I approve of these comments.

by mk on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

sister, when I raise hell, you'll know it.

I use that one sometimes.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

what exactly happened?

I lost interest in reading the arguments that guy was instigating at about 3 minutes 37 seconds into the Gammons thread… did his Karma finally run over his Dogma?

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 2:04 AM PST reply actions  

I had a quick look at the Gammons thread

And whoever this guy was, he sounded like an angry psychopath.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Feb 16, 2010 2:47 AM PST up reply actions  

granted he was a provocative and inhospitable

but reading back through it all I am struck by the reactivity all around, and all I can say is that whether it’s the internet, real life or anywhere in between, the true substance of us as we are lies not in the quantity of trespasses we perceive against us, but in the quality of our responses not just to those trespasses, but to our perceptions of them — which will govern, ultimately, what our response or reaction is to be.

IMO it boils down to reaction vs. response, and the choice every moment and each situation or interaction poses to us as to whether we will react unmindfully out of reflexive insecurity and assumption of injustice as the norm, or if we will find a zone or modality of response that transmits our displeasure with the situation without overtly and irresponsibly escalating the conflict beyond repair… or to where we cede the higher ground each situation, no matter how difficult it may be at the surface, affords us.

Easier said than done, I know… if you ask me pitchers and catchers can’t report soon enough so the religious posts can go back to the vein of “Jesus fucking Christ, Sweeney, that was right down the middle!” where they belong.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 3:03 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I too was taken aback by the reactivity.

Time after time I kept thinking, “Why do all you guys insist on pursuing this argument?” Sneaky had some weird and wrong ideas, but why was it so necessary to correct him and prove him wrong? Just let him be.

If people would have just chilled out and used the cancel button, none of this need have happened.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I noticed that after the flame war threads...most people just didn't even respond - leaving him to just talk to himself.

It was kind of hard to ignore – prolific and provocative posting is like that. You just get to a point – as you scroll through – where you want your voice to be heard!! And perhaps to shift the conversation. Kind of like that annoying little fly that buzzes around your head. You just want to slap it!!

by Berry Jo on Feb 16, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I was afraid he'd never stop talking to himself

he did it in so many threads, even in ones like the Olympic liveblogs where no one was arguing with him. A person like that should just get a blog.

by stormtown on Feb 16, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

He just needs to tweet.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was because text messages have a 140 character limit.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Feb 16, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought that that was because

twits don’t need that many characters to say what little they have to say.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Twits shouldn't tweet??

Maybe that’s the only appropriate forum for them….they can’t get too annoying on 140 characters. But then they’re likely to tweet and tweet and tweet and….oh you get the picture!

by Berry Jo on Feb 16, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say that shouldn't

I said they don’t need that many characters in order to do it. Really, how many characters does a twit need to tweet?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel a bit of Dr. Seuss coming on.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

When a twit tweets twitters towards ten tall talismans...

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

picky picky

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

hardly are those 140 characters out when a vast image out of spiritus mundi troubles my sight.

lewis carroll covering a yeats tune. that is, if those twits are waiting to be born.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Feb 16, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I have PTSD regarding Mr. Yeats.

I took a grad class of him once. I found him to be vapid and boring.

But I don’t really like poetry for the most part, so my taking him was…kind of stupid to begin with.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You are not my long-lost twin.

I love Yeats. Though I’m not that big into poetry in general.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s no gerard manley hopkins (o my chevalier!) but he serves when you need to title a novel or something.

don't care if i ever get back.

by AV on Feb 16, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone watch Party Down?

"I hate Yeats. That’s what I was reading in high school when my teacher molested me."

by mk on Feb 18, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

One bad apple.

Yeats is good for dirty-sex-in-the-library sort of funny business. But it ought to be consensual.

I would suggest that Leo’s problem was not that he read Yeats, but rather that he took a grad class about it. That’s a sure way to take the fun out of anything.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

twas NOT true at all

for either Sebald or Journal of the Plague Year or Friere or….well, hell, anything else I took at Chicago. I do not like Yeats. And I did not like the news director from Murphy Brown who taught it.

him, Grant Chaud.

You can keep Yeats. I’ll stick with JJ, Woolf, and if I have to run to poetry, Czeslaw Milosz and Adrienne Rich.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually recited a Yeats poem

once while having sex. I mean literally, simultaneous with the deed.

Yes, it was the obvious one.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I just did.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I initially read that as a Yeti poem.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 18, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Psssh.

Who hasn’t written those during sex.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 18, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I am imagining a limerick

in which lines 1, 2 and 5 rhyme with “yeti”, and either line 3 or 4 is “abominable”.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I gave it whirl, but I'm no poet

and I’m certainly not a grammatically correct wordsmith.

Oh more hardcore sex she will let me
It will make us so wild and sweaty
Her ready and able
This was not a fable
My scream heard as loud as a Yeti

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ungh!

(I like the audibles)

by lynnzgal on Feb 18, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, since the best I could come up with

was nothing at all, you’re leading the pack.

I do like “sweaty”.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The next word in the series that comes to my mind

is one you won’t see in Dr Seuss.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dr Suess for Adults then?

Stephen Lynch is to Weird Al?
Harry Dresden is to Harry Potter?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed that.

I think two days in a row, he created an olympic open thread, only to delete it an hour later when no one else was talking.

Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.

by danmerqury on Feb 16, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm glad everyone gave him enough rope

I was trying to ignore him despite every word he wrote wanting to make me stab myself in the eye, but I guess engaging him was the right idea. How he’d argue with and then suck up to the same people?

by stormtown on Feb 16, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I eventually felt badly that I had taken the trouble to respond in the first place.

Since I don’t read every single thread, I didn’t realize the extent of the trouble he’d been making on other threads, too. So, it didn’t strike me as such a big deal until he came back and replied provocatively (doth protest too much with smiles and false warmth) to all of the posts. Except mine, which I was glad to see, since I could ignore it thereafter (and head off into a much more entertaining and enriching conversation).

This is a good lesson for me: replying to folks you don’t know (i.e. see enough posts to get some sense of the character) can be participating innocently in their evil intended deeds.

A Ballade [for the Angels Fan], by Eustache Deschamps: "We are cowardly, ill-formed and weak / Aged, envious and evil-spoken. / I see only fools and sots / Truly the end is nigh / All goes ill."

by paris7 on Feb 16, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

nah.

everyone’s got a part to play and while nothing’s done in a vacuum, you can’t be responsible for digesting and interpreting the entirety of the blog. none of us can.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sad to say I was one of the ones that replied to him

Although I don’t feel too badly because I never felt the need to invest much time in someone who refused to argue logically or rationally (never have I seen so many straw man arguments in my life and I taught high school debate for a year).

What I do find amazing is that I’ve been on this site continuously since early 2008 and I have a sum total of 292 comments (now 293 I suppose). In the SnEaKster’s 3.5 months, he had 750.

by eastbayexpat on Feb 16, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Carpal tunnel syndrome is karma's equalizer

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

We're not trying that on game threads this year?

We all watch with a different amount of delay and try to guess what the other posters are referring to.

by stormtown on Feb 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Like when I posted "Gawd, Eveland is TERRIBLE!"

2 days before his next start?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah - true....Game threads are diffrent..

but usually the delay is not that far behind. We had all made the same comments just two hours earlier!!

by Berry Jo on Feb 16, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This may be the best comment I've ever made

link

Coming next would’ve been a demand he stop replying to himself all the time. Now, I’ll just wait until he shows up in his next incarnation.

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Feb 16, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

After the first one that's where I was

And I mostly tried to re-engage him letting go of the oddities of the previous issues. Each time, he seemed to try to make it about some weird “I’m not letting go of all of you disagreeing with me on everything” wipe out. I’ve had some weird arguments with people here before (including you for instance), but after it was over, we’ve both gotten over it and could argue again politely and constructively and/or share interesting things with each other. With him, he just kept taking it back to the past in a really weird sort of way.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, he came in with a chip on his

OakFoShoulder.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

FoSho

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

You've got a good point.

And I’m definitely going to deal with a similar situation differently next time.

I’ll aggressively flag when a noob crosses the line repeatedly, and email Nico and the morning editor personally to give them a heads-up.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

That would help, actually

A personal email would probably have gotten me to take an “IP research” interest faster.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I was just going to send you a text message

but I never got the digits, yo :(

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Feb 16, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Still typing with the palms of your hand?

Or are you using a chop stuck in your mouth?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He's still got no digits

Poor guy lost all his fingers and toes.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The system worked and works

If the worst part of this was that you had to endure somebody with an opinion that was divergent from yours and who was deliberately provacative (or semi-combative about it) — for something like a week — then that’s not really a crisis. So, why are you making it out to be one?

by LowcountryJoe on Feb 16, 2010 3:13 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not interested in enduring deliberate provocation, even for a week.

I think a week is WAY too long.

I was upset that certain mods were taking the time to CrAcK JoKeS about inappropriate postings, rather than just ban the guy already. I realize now that they were waiting for their meeting to take care of business, and that’s why I proposed a methodology that can be used to take care of business in between meetings.

I don’t feel I’m making it out to be a crisis, but contrary to what Big League Stew and mainstream search engines say, there is more than one vital, energetic A’s blog in the cybersphere. In a monopoly, you can have a dirty store and get away with it, but in a competitive marketplace, those floors better be clean, the cashiers friendly, and bums can’t be allowed to stand around and harass people.

Now I’m all for giving noobs a lot of chances to find where they fit in this community and learn how it functions, but those same chances should also serve as “enough rope” when posters use it to hang themselves. And when they’ve hung themselves dead, just cut ‘em down. Don’t leave them hanging there rotting for a week until the hangman committee meets again.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

the thing that bothered me was none of the mods openly stepping up and saying something to him (I’m assuming here). But at some point, instead of cracking jokes, be direct about it. If they had, I’m not sure it would have needed to come to a banning. He can’t really “shape up” and join the community if he’s not shown where he’s going wrong in a more official capacity.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Having been a mod, there weren't really regular official meetings, per se

It was more a case of checking to see what’s been flagged and chiming in or a specific e-mail saying “Hey, we need to look at this right away because…”

Even then sometimes things would be missed for a bit, and that was DURING the season. People aren’t always here every moment of the day, reading every single comment, especially in the off-season. Sometimes it takes other users to point it out in private to get faster attention.

On the other hand, it might have been decided that the guy was treading in very shallow waters and was being kept an eye on, then the OakFoSho thing finished it.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Feb 16, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

There are no "meetings," just FYI

Mods can flag as they see fit and are free to discuss things internally by email if they want — though usually this isn’t done.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

That was the impression I took from BBG's email to me

about my “strike.”

I’m glad we’re getting some air cleared around here, though, so in the future, we can deal with trolls more efficiently and appropriately, without strike teams engaging and civilians running for cover.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

it's only natural in a period of transition for the more timid elements to run for cover

pic of the AN mod meeting room:

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 16, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Every step he took was a step up.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I belong to a historical society that looks a lot like this photo

I’m the only guy under 50 there. I do especially well when we have the arm wrestling contests.

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ROFL

That’s awesome.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There are no meetings?

No wonder that lady was so angry at me every time I sat on the front steps waiting for you all….

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Who, 67MARQUEZ?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

All I saw was talk of...

… the Power of Love.

"Smokey, this be not the foul jungles of the darkest East Orient. This be ninepins. We are bound by laws."

by Joey C. on Feb 16, 2010 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

Just to add an FYI to the conversation,

in the exchange that started with the bible passages there is also a direct reference to the user being “OakFoSho” — and any banned user who comes back without permission is automatically banned. Had this been brought to the mods’ attention sooner, the user would have banned sooner just on the basis that he/she was a previously banned user.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 9:17 AM PST reply actions   5 recs

curious..

do you admins / mods have ip checks?

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

by ST on Feb 16, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

{evil laugh}

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Feb 16, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but they usually bounce

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, that explains a lot.

I missed that.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 16, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

I had a feeling something was up.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 16, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

THAT explains a lot

As does OakFoSho’s last login happening to be the same day the Sneaky Troll’s account was created.

I thought the guy was on the fairly dumb and dishonest side in some of what he said, whether intentional or not, but aside from him starting to snipe at some people (with things going back and forth, myself included) I just saw him as someone I had a strong disagreement with and for the most part I think I kept my arguments on point.

Had I known it was OakFoSho, I probably wouldn’t have bothered.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Feb 16, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I almost guarantee

that a NeW TrOlL will have an active A’s account at right around 7 o clock tonight.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew that the username was from a previously banned troll the moment I saw it...

I don’t want to look it up, but I know I called him “OaktoonWindyJasonTheAFelix” once, and he called me “paranoid.”

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

So that guy was OakFoSho huh?

it all kind of makes sense now. When he returns with a new name I wonder if he’ll still go with the oDd wAy oF dOinG hiS NaMe.

Now G_S we can get back to the important stuff like sock puppets,Wilford Brimley and Harry Truman.

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

aNd I wOuLd'Ve GoTtEn AwAy WiTh It, ToO, iF iT HaDn'T bEeN

fOr YoU mEdDlInG dEsSeRtS!!!!!

(that’s actually tougher to do than I thought it would be, on both an internal and external level)

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It almost seems like MS Word

should have a format text feature to do that, doesn’t it?

by LowcountryJoe on Feb 16, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It is hard to do

Which letters do you capitalize? In what order? Who knew being a troll was such hard work?

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

At least one per word

And one out of every 2 to 3 letters in each word while trying to avoid back to back caps including between two words.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

dMoAs? That's almost as bad as GrOveR

Always the summers are slipping away.
Find me a way for making it stay.

by danmerqury on Feb 16, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

(runs for cover)

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

GOODNESS SAKES PEOPLE!!!

CAN’T YOU SEE IT’S gRovEr?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hardly.

I care not for the caps of my name. Be as inconsistent as you want. Especially if lower casing is easier.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

zOiKs!1!!111!

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Feb 16, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd hate for Bloomie to find out,

but did you know Wilford Brimley has a sock puppet of Harry Truman?

(It’s a good way to stick your hand up a president’s ass, and the right way to do it!)

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

you're both on my naughty list now.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh great!

Now I have Bloom’s naughty list to add to the Southwest no fly list I’m on for being a Kevin Smith fan.

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on my personal "no fly" list too;

I love planes, but I’m deathly afraid of airports!

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll be back as nOtSoSneAkyaNdY

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be even cooler had you come up with a way

to spell a word with the Caps letters.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It would have been something like this:

NSEWTHNT. Waaay easier to type that an all funky mix of caps and non-caps with a symbol thrown in there too.

by Berry Jo on Feb 16, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That actually explains a lot.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

rE@7 (o)AkL@[\][)3rS

D

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

by ST on Feb 16, 2010 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

LOL...triggered a html tag

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff

by ST on Feb 16, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm also glad he's gone

but probably for a different reason than most. That guy’s arguments for the team staying in Oakland were some of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. He was actually HURTING the case for the team staying where they are. His extreme cheerleader-trolling kinda left out everyone else that wanted to make reasoned arguments for Oakland and poisoned the conversation to the point that I didn’t even bother contributing. It becomes so much easier to write off the arguments of pro-Oakland fans on this site when that dummy was out here spraying drivel.

“Real Oaklanders” – bah!

This “real Oaklander” says good riddance.

If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.

by cityplANner on Feb 16, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Which is said

Because most of us wouldn’t have minded hearing that sort of argument.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Same

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

probably all the same person, Doc.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If he had friends, he wouldn't go on internet sites just to be obnoxious

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey!!!

I resemble that remark.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder

some people are so mean spirited on the web and I think it does have something to do with not having enough friends or just having people in your life to talk to.

I always try and post things that I’d be willing to say to my friends and this I think is a good rule of thumb.

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

that's why I started posting under my real name on local politics blogs

If I can’t hide behind a handle, I’m accountable for what I say. Especially if I have to see some of those people at city council or planning commission meetings.

If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.

by cityplANner on Feb 16, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Good for you

aren’t city council meetings fun! During an earlier life I spent many hours at them and all I remember is getting a numb butt.

by sirbed on Feb 16, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the first comment sites that I ever joined required real names

Shockingly enough, the discourse there was vastly better from the get-go.

I don’t really get what the advantage of proxy screennames is for most sites. Unless your GOAL is to make everyone there anonymous (surely not the case for most blogs), they add little and subtract a lot.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 18, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

mine's quite clever, original and not at all pretentious.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I’ve found your name to be a little too oblique

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 19, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Anonymity is the reason I participate in the internet

I’d be far more hesitant to join any site if it were broadcasting my personal details to the web. I’m sure that you could manage to track down my name if you tried hard enough given that my user name stays pretty constant. But even a google search of rrryanc and my real name turns up nothing, so you’d have to try.

That said, I still view my rrryanc username as my face on the internet, and as such try to only comment as I would writing were I writing an email to someone.

by rrryanc on Feb 18, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose I have a certain advantage

in that my name is un-google-able because it’s such a common name.

Nonetheless— why be afraid of people knowing it’s you that’s thinking what you’re thinking? Life is way too short for that.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 20, 2010 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

me too

does this red spot in my armpit look infected?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Feb 16, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

no, it looks easily poppable...

I think it’s an ingrown hair in the middle of a stretch mark.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he's Navigator

Nav trolled around ABetterOakland for years before finally being told to buzz off. That guy is too much of a polyanny Oakland homer to resort to defining “real Oaklanders” from other people in Oakland. Also, Nav likes to throw out San Francisco-based conspiracy theories. The Chronicle is out to get you! Because you’re from Oakland! They can’t have SF’s spotlight taken away!
There’s plenty of whackjobs out there.

If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.

by cityplANner on Feb 16, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I am a fellow traveler with the conspiracy theorists.

I wouldn’t call it a conspiracy so much as a convergence many individual interests, but I do believe that San Francisco media is hostile to Oakland and the ultimate reason is the economic interest of San Franciscans. The spotlight is just a means to an end. It’s all about property values.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 17, 2010 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

i'm not big on conspiracy theories, but that's not at all a conspiracy theory

people favor wherever they live to other neighborhoods/towns/cities/states/countries.

“missing children, sounds like springfield’s got a discipline problem.”
“maybe that’s why we beat them at football nearly half the time.”

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 17, 2010 3:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Can I offer a suggestion that would help all of us?

If you suspect a troll (and YES that includes someone who was previously banned; obviously there are ways around the IP address check), would you please flag the comment with a quick note to us or email me? We honestly can’t read every thread every day, but what brings stuff like this to our attention is when a comment is flagged by the community. That’s what triggers a “vote” for a warning, a strike, or a banning. Yes, this user will come back…yes there are a couple others who will too, and there are some of you who will recognize them far sooner than Nico or I or the other mods. Instead of getting angry and responding, and putting yourself at risk for a flag, just flag their comment and we WILL take care of it. We hate to over-moderate or ban too quickly; we do try to be as fair as we can, but sometimes we just need to be let in on what is going on so we can take care of it as quickly as possible, especially when we have a very busy day at our jobs.

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Feb 16, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

some of the smarter ones tracked him down.

You guys heard about it about as quickly as you could have.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, I obviously repeated what others have said

Carry on! ;-)

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Feb 16, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you except for one thing...
We honestly can’t read every thread every day

If these were the old days and there was only one editor/mod, then I’d be with you. But there are 12 people on the masthead (13 if you count Blez, but I don’t in this case). I’m sure amongst those 24 eyes, every comment gets read.

I know that with my two eyes alone, 95% of non game-thread comments get read.

Plus, if the “inbox” for the flags, or however y’all interface with it, doesn’t get checked every day, or every other day, all the flagging in the world can’t stop a troll from pooping all over us.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

This is all true and many of us saw plenty of TrOlLiE's comments without yet banning

However, we may have a problem right now where we have far more mods in name than in practice. 12-13 mods, my arse. More like about 5, really, right now.

It may be time to add a couple “active mods” in place of a few who are, let’s face it, more “mods honorarium” at this point.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

About being the anti-christ title

My deity knowledge is pretty limited but don’t you get special know everything everywhere powers Nico? If not I think you got hosed, because all the destroying of saints and ushering evil agendas sound like a lot of responsibility for not getting any cool powers.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 16, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Most "mods" on the list are more front page writers than they are mods, no?

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Not all front page writers are mods

For example, newbies emperor nobody and danmerqury are not currently mods. Many of the mods on the list are “they used to be great front page writers and mods, but now they insist on having a life.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Those fuckers!

If I can’t have a life, why should they?

by Faust on Feb 16, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

just for the record, I don't think I could ever truly be a Mod

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Feb 16, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If that's the case, then it sounds like you do need a masthead shakeup

create an “Emeritus” category for folks whom aren’t active on a day to day basis but still have awesome front page contributions from time to time.

If there are only five of you active, that’s not enough for a site like this, unless someone completely doesn’t have a life, but that’s not the case at all, obviously.

If what you need is someone to log in once or twice a day and check the flag “inbox,” send a friendly warning or two, and email anything serious to you and other mods to decide upon strikes/bans, as well as interject a few “Easy, pardner”‘s and "Hey, be nice’s" into threads to help diffuse drama before drama happens, then I might be your guy. If not me, then somebody else kind and inclusive and knowledgable about the culture of this site should be hired/nominated/volunteer to do it.

"The rich people want what the poor peoples got, and the poor people want what the rich peoples got. You can never please anybody in this world"- The Shaggs, "Philosophy Of The World," 1968

by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 16, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I nominate Rated R

He’s the most mature one here.

by stormtown on Feb 16, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Cough cough

I AM available. Just saying.

-Cindi

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 16, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

He’s one of the better contributors and I usually cringe at the content over there.

"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra

by Ovale Fan on Feb 16, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

NO WAI

DON’T YOU KNOW THE RAIDUHS SHOULDN’T DRAFT PLAYERS FROM TEH DEEP SOUTH BECUZ THEY NEVER ARE ANY GOOD

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Feb 16, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, now

The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on many occasions.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 16, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yet not enough

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 17, 2010 6:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Unrec on the "insert threatening comments into currently innocuous conversations" business

Keep the Orwellian stuff off this blog, thanks.

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 18, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

not an attack, but more of a question.

what do you find Orwellian/threatening about what G_S said there?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

by introducing those low key police actions

it greatly increases the amount of moderating that would go on. If the mods only action is to bANninate people (or issue strikes that could lead to bANnination), then they will only use their power in situations where it is clearly warranted.

If the mods start dealing out little suggestions and slaps on the wrist, then it is easier to imagine a slippery slope that starts with something like “that’s political discussion is getting close to a CGV” but progresses on to “your criticism of Bob Geren’s bullpen usage is double-plus-ungood”.

by colin on Feb 18, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Its a fine line. I see both sides of the story.

by lynnzgal on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh

I think the actual suggestion was more in line for when people go out of control as Cappy did. Once or twice, whatever. When it started getting out of hand, it probably didn’t require a strike meeting to be held for even a small action to have taken place. And on AN, even that is exceptionally rare. I don’t see slippery slope as an issue. And if it did become one they would be doing it wrong.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 18, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

it's not really something I'm that worried about either

I was mostly just putting the argument out there for discussion. And I have yet to flag a comment on AN, so I’m obviously not that into the formal bANnination process. I think my views tend to line up with iglew, who has expressed admiration for the way that AN tends to self-police. If a problem can be solved by just telling someone to cool off a bit, then that’s great. But it’s best if those warnings come from peers, not from the people with moderator powers.

by colin on Feb 18, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I flagged 74 once,

but it was only cause he hurt my feelings. Upon retrospect.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 19, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I once flagged you 74 times,

but it was only because I hate you.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 19, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have a flag?

No flag, no country. You can’t have one.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Feb 19, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank goodness. Who would want one of those?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 19, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

We play bad guys in Hollywood movies. Take, for example, “The Empire Strikes Back” from the Star Wars trilogy. The Death Star is just full of British actors opening doors and going, “Oh… I… oh…” “What is it Lieutenant Sebastian?” “It’s just the Rebels, sir… they’re here.” “My God, man! Do they want tea?” “No, I think they’re after something a bit more than that, sir. I don’t know what it is, but they’ve brought a flag.” “Damn, that’s dash cunning of them.”

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Feb 19, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Eddie Izzard?

Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."

by PaulThomas on Feb 20, 2010 2:31 AM PST up reply actions  

False
then they will only use their power in situations where it is clearly warranted.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Feb 19, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, you got me there

but I think that my overall point still stands.

Maybe an edit to “they will be more likely to only use their power…”

by colin on Feb 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of power colin

you have the power to make the baseball season more enjoyable by doing the GOG. You think you are up to it again in 2010 (hey, that rhymed)? I know it was a lot of work but it was fun.

If not perhaps a overall season GOG or one for each half of the season? You could even try a smaller version with 5 questions each instead of 10. I think I would like a smaller version, during the dog days of summer it can be overwhelming try answer them all (I can imagine the pain of thinking up the questions during the dog days).

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Feb 19, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

oh man, I am so far from up for it

Last season, I was trying to get my thesis done and I was worried that it would be a distraction. Well, now it’s 2010 and my thesis still doesn’t exist.

How about this — we’ll have a GOG once I manage to become dr. colin. That should happen by June, at the latest.

by colin on Feb 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

go colin!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 19, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

dr. colin.

sooner or later.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

well I guess I'm OK with that

;-)

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Feb 20, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

you're in Oklahoma?

Quick, get out!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I keep telling my friend who lives there

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

,,,does he know he can leave?

That they won’t stop him at the border and make him return?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

She's too close to the kids she teaches

and she grew up there with family and more friends. See… that’s how they rope you in.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I know only too well how they rope you in.

Open up a sign shop and become dependent upon you running it because you’re so good at it.

Bastards.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

You should make the following sign and give it to them:

“I’m packing up and moving to California. Here’s your sign”

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I've been meaning to tell you, LB

that this should be your official theme song for this season.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

hmm.

agrd.

I’ll be playing the part of Ron Jeremy, a part I’m only too able to play.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

ahem...

MAHNA MANAH!!!!

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, you need to take a lesson from

Lew Wolff Rachel Phelps and start doing a crappy job on purpose.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 20, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

feh.

So my brother can get a cardboard cutout of me and strip me down naked?

I think not.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Big mistake: Reading that during dinner.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 20, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

it'd be worse if you knew me.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 20, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh

Photoshop you on to the body Jessica Alba and put a bag over your cardboard head and we’re good to go.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 20, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

oh most definitely.

why the hell else you think I’m in Florida?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Because you thought there'd be hot women there

Instead you found yourself surrounded by old men.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 21, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

hot older women and

I could retire to a life of luxury provided I didn’t mind being a whore (I don’t). But the competition’s fierce!

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 21, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

absolutely seconded

I don’t have time to read every thread, but I do check regularly for flagged comments.

by OaklandSi on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

having just noticed this thread

I had thought to myself “Oh, did I miss something big and momentous in AN, and gosh Nico was somehow involved?” So, I trudged through reading and…….ho hum. Dog bites Man. whatever.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Feb 17, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

I kept reading through thinking,

“Did I ban ak_A?” Alas, ho hum. Poochini bites postman. whatever.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 17, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

notes from my great life:

cat is out of control. snatched chunk of meat I had getting ready for grilling directly off the kitchen drainboard the other night in full view of me and trotted down hall way and into entry way closet to hide with it….cringing from my yelled curses whilst in pursuit.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Feb 17, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Dog boy and cat man.

Could we be witnessing a moment of bondage, er, bonding?

by lynnzgal on Feb 17, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Hang on, slow down

{scribbles furiously in notepad}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 17, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

(sigh)

Is it baseball season yet?

Can I get a mf’in’ game thread up in here?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Where are you?

The attic? The cupboard?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 17, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The hay loft in the stables

And before you get any ideas, he’s not doing what you think he’s doing up there.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 17, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I only do that

about twice a day. On average.

I used to do it about three or four times a day.

And I have actually done it in a stable. In Lafayette.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

When they told me your situation was stable,

I knew it was too good to be true.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

"watching"

No. He’s most definitely not “watching”.

Leopold Bloom on why he loves Mr. Peter Gammons, his best buddy:
"Peter Gammons systematically ignored and/or ran down the A’s in the pages of Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News for a good ten year stretch in the late seventies and early to mid-eighties. Trust me, the c**ksucker hates our team."

by DMOAS on Feb 17, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

really, i know the drill, be patient and spring training

is starting relatively soon but there is lull to that too, after its novelty wears off and opening day seems a long way off……and being so close to Washington state now, I may end up going over the line for a medical marijuana rx to “relief real baseball deprivation”.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You gotta make 'em

then hope the baseball happens.

by lynnzgal on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

....

really?

Cause I’ll go make one right now.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Well,

there was a mention of baseball in our thread last night, funny enough.

by lynnzgal on Feb 17, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I was gonna make one - but have to go out.

Thought it was rude to open a thread and then leave…..maybe I’ll do it when I come back!!

by Berry Jo on Feb 17, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

where you going?

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 17, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea what any of this is about

Did anybody I like get banned?

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Feb 18, 2010 6:53 PM PST reply actions  

do you like caps guy?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Feb 18, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel quite sure you don't.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Feb 18, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Lord, I hope not.

… and therein lies the tension between discouraging free rodent upgrades and relying on random walkup business. LB, you should tarp your kitchen. And move to San Jose. -mb

by Leopold Bloom on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

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