Baseball America's 2010 top 10 A's Prospects
by Syphon on Dec 4, 2010 12:28 PM PST
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| 1. | Grant Green, ss |
| 2. | Chris Carter, 1b/of |
| 3. | Michael Choice, of |
| 4. | Tyson Ross, rhp |
| 5. | Jemile Weeks, 2b |
| 6. | Max Stassi, c |
| 7. | Aaron Shipman, of |
| 8. | Yordy Cabrera, ss |
| 9. | Ian Krol, lhp |
| 10. | Michael Taylor, of |
I find it very interesting that Steven Parker was left off this list. One could argue that Parker could have taken Krol's spot. That would put 9 hitters in our top 10. And boy do we need a few of these guys to really make in impact with their bats in the next year or two.
Here is the link to the article. Also showing a list of players with the best tools.
Side note: Susan Slusser reporting James Simmons, Sean Doolittle, Arnold Leon, Brett Hunter & Dusty Coleman have all been cleared to report to ST.
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Who on that list...
…is most likely to be traded and then become an All Star or darn good player else where?
I say Carter.
I find it interesting that Michael Taylor has dropped to # 10 and am excited about Michael Choice.
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Michael Taylor had a 2010 that's worthy of him being dropped that low
7 Home Runs will do that to you.
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 4, 2010 1:20 PM PST reply actions
Yeah it seems like his star has really fallen.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Dec 4, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
What else would you expect? He has connections to the Matt Holliday trade
Make akward sexual advances not war.
What have people heard about Yordy Cabrera?
I can’t seem to find much info on him.
During a contract holdout with Oakland in the early 1990s, Henderson said, "If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego."
He and Shipman were the only players from the draft I really liked.
Good power, strong arm. Id try to keep him at SS but hes going to be a 3bman. His approach isn’t the best and will probably k a fair amount.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 4, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
I liked Chad Lewis.
He could be a 25hr 3rd baseman for us. He already has good defense.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Im not a huge fan of the value of the pick. They left a lot on the board in the 4th that I liked.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
given our inability to sign free agents that the front office wants, isn't drafting of paramount importance? is our strategy flawed? could it be improved?
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I thought the draft outside of Shipman and Cabrera was pretty bad. Choice not the pick I would have made but it was acceptable value.
also how cool would it have been to have a player named Grandel? We could have called him Grandel the Wizzard
Not enough high upside talent, not enough safety.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
You want high upside talent AND safety?
Boy, you don’t ask for much.
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no im just saying the picks weren't upside enough to have the warts they have.
it wasn’t either a safe draft or a tools draft. It wa a combination of both that I don’t like draft.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what you're asking for
You said you liked picks 2 and 3 and were okay with pick 1.
After that, quite honestly, it doesn’t matter that much. You apparently don’t like Vail or Lewis, which is fine, I guess (frankly, I like Lewis a good deal more than Shipman, who looks like the next Tyreace House to me, but I digress). But wouldn’t liking picks 2 and 3 mean much more than disliking picks 4 and 5?
The team also got a bunch of players in rounds 8-15 who, at least, have not yet proved themselves worthless, and at most (Thomson), actually look like they should have gone much higher.
Given that the team had so few high picks, I have a hard time faulting the 2010 draft.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Liking 2 out of the first 10 picks is not what I would call a good draft.
There was a lot of quality talent that they passed on to get a bunch of relievers.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Quality talent? In the 8th-10th rounds?
Frankly, at that point in a draft, I’m deferring to the team, especially when it comes to drafting pitchers. If you want a bullpen full of $400K guys, those are the picks to spend on them.
Although one could argue that my “use bullpen to game your way into draft picks” strategy is incompatible with drafting your own.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Thats the argument that ive been making for a while w/r/t the relievers
also I think you can find plenty of good relievers from failed starters.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
It was a while ago so Im not sure on who was left...
at the time who might have been a better pick. Im just glad the FO is drafting hitters. But then again its the aged old debate. Draft for need ot draft best available.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
A bunch of pitchers I liked at that point.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
He was projected to be a 1st round pick for some time before the draft.
Here’s Andy Seiler’s report on him
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html
In the BA Chat
the guy said Iwakuma would have ranked #1
Guess they are really high on him.
I hope we can get that done and have a great rotation for the foreseeable future
How would they even have him ranked as a prospect? He's old.
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Why are they high on Weeks???
I’d have put Parker in Weeks’s 5 position and left Weeks off. Weeks is seriously a 11-15 guy on our top prospects list.
BA is a notorious upside whore
Weeks has a higher upside and has better tools than Parker.
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Funny that everybody talks about how far Taylor fell this year
and yet… Adrian Cardenas is not even ranked.
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Which is really, really stupid
He struggled in AAA, but he’s 22. Thing is, BA hated him last year, too (ranked 9th in the organization, and none of the guys ahead of him graduated. Only Desme is no longer in the organization).
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by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't progress much in 2010.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
He lacks strong tools/upside
Though he’s always been a favorite of mine, and I also think it’s unwise to sleep on him.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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I still think he can be Polanco, though Polanco was already in the majors (and horrible) at 22.
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by thejd44 on Dec 5, 2010 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
Polanco's an elite defender though. Cardenas could be Polanco on offense and
an average 3B on defense, but that’s not nearly Polanco.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
I still like the Bill Mueller comp Nico suggested a while back
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html
Yes if he can be Mueller it would be quite valuable
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
His minor league track record is more like below average defense
by Rio on Dec 5, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
But at below average defense he's not a major leaguer. He has to get to average to matter.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2010 4:26 AM PST up reply actions
Was Polanco always an elite defender?
If Cardenas had played one position throughout his career in the minors maybe he’d be good at one position, but he’s spent time at 2B, 3B, and even SS. I could see him being above-average at either 2B or 3B given significant time and work at one position.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Polanco spent time at all those positions too
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2010 4:26 AM PST up reply actions
This is true. Polanco's been about +10 runs at second or third for his career.
I’m not sure Cardenas will ever be that good.
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Fair point. Polanco's about +10 runs at 2B or 3B
Cardenas almost certainly won’t be, though I think he has the ability to be a better hitter than Polanco, too.
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Weird. That first post didn't show up so I redid it. Then it showed up.
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cardenas reminds me of a young Barton.
Good average, doesnt K much. Good on base skills, low power. If he can play a good D at 2nd I think he could be very valuable.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
For what its worth.
Cardenas his last 10 games at AAA he put up a 400 OBP and 400 SLG. Thats not to shabby for a 22 year old.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Well its better than if he sucked
for the last 10 games.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
He did hit better in his return to AAA
April/May/June: .228/.285/.281, 114 AB, 17/9 K/BB
August/Sept: .313/.362/.385, 96 AB, 11/8
Still no power, but he should hit for average. A .290 BA and a decent walk rate go a long way toward an average 2B.
I hate lists from places like this
They do things like put someone who has 17 so-far crappy pro at-bats (Shipman) over someone who just had a .900 OPS season at 3B (Parker). (Yes yes EVERYBODY hits at A+, but still)
That is just not right. Guys who haven’t really played yet shouldn’t be considered.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
You can feel free to ignore them
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the official confirmation
I typed “can I ignore baseball america” into google and nothing came up.
:)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I'm confused as to why you want to exclude anyone from a list
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
I don't believe in saying guys who haven't played yet are our "best" prospects
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I tend to agree with this to some extent.
I thought people were nuts the past few years when they’d include Ynoa in top 10 lists. He should be on a top 20 or top 30 (maybe not now), but top 10 was silly.
I favor “likelihood to make it at all” very high. Much higher than BA.
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by thejd44 on Dec 5, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
So when they talk to scouts and the response is "Shipman's their 4th best prospect and here's why...."
they’re supposed to either ignore it or tell that scout that Daniel777 doesn’t believe that guys who haven’t played a certain minimum amount should count, and they should please confine their responses to those players who have played that certain amount?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree
If we had signed Iwakuma, he would likely be considered our #1 “prospect”. Though he has professional experience in Japan, he would be a rookie in the major leagues. Are you saying you don’t believe that Iwakuma would belong on a top 10 A’s prospect list if they signed him?
I’m sure the argument will be “it’s not the same”, but it is; the prospect rankings are based on more than just what Baseball Reference says they did in 2010 in high-A Stockton.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Iwakuma has played. A ton.
I think the arguments for not calling him a prospect are different from not wanting to rank a guy who hasn’t played in (m)any real games.
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of prospects have played a ton of real games in the minors
I’m okay with calling Iwakuma a prospect because like all prospects he has no major league experience which leads to uncertainty when projecting his performance.
He's still never played in the major leagues
My point is that prospect lists are a combination of current talent and projection. If a player has tons of potential but no performance yet, should he be excluded? Bryce Harper doesn’t have a single minor league at-bat, but he’s still #1 on Washington’s prospect list.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 7, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Parker and Green had just about identical numbers at roughly the same age at the same level, why sweat Green and completely ignore Parker? Makes zero sense.
Because their process is to interview managers, coaches, scouts and other baseball people
and compile their opinions. Those people all already know about the numbers. Their collective opinion is what’s presented….probably with a little of Shonerd thrown in.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Going to wait until Iwakuma does not sign to start the Community Prospect Threads.
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So....Tuesday?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
I'd wait till after the Rule 5 draft (Thursday, right?)
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by thejd44 on Dec 5, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it'll affect the top players though.
and we’re not going to get down to the ranks it would affect till well past the R5 draft.
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we might pick someone up thats good.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
As prelim, throw out some prospect names for me.
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For the Com. Prospect List, I am going to limit it to the Top 20, and not bother going 50 deep this year.
Thus far, the candidates I have for voting are:
Grant Green, SS
Chris Carter, 1B/OF
Michael Choice, CF
Tyson Ross, SP
Jemile Weeks, 2B
Max Stassi, C
Aaron Shipman, OF
Yordi Cabrera, SS
Ian Krol, SP
Michael Taylor, OF
Stephen Parker, 3B
Adrian Cardenas, 2B/3B
Michael Ynoa, SP
Sean Doolittle, 1B
Josh Donaldson, C
Corey Brown, OF
Arnold Leon, SP
Fautino De Los Santos, RP
Anthony Capra, SP
Dustin Coleman, IF
Rashun Dixon, OF
Ramon Ortiz, C
Clayton Mortensen, SP
Chad Lewis, 3B
I believe there were also some high profile Latin America signings, but I need some names.
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Latin guys
Renato Nunez, 3B
Vicmal De La Cruz, OF
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 4, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
They got Wilfredo Solano too
He was signed for about a million the year before.
Switch hitting SS who projects to stay at short
I thought he was projected to eventually move to 3B?
Of course I’m just going off my memory of reports I read when he was signed, I could be mistaken.
He is the dude that shit the bed in the DSL
which is not good. very not good.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
And he was bad at baseball, too, which might be worse.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Dec 5, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
That's right
Does anyone remember the young catcher we signed? For the life of me I can’t find the link anymore, so at this point I’m convinced it was a mirage.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Oliver Box?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I have no idea
I thought we signed a Venezuelan catcher or something like that. Perhaps it was a sugar coma-induced mirage or something.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Box is an Aussie (that seems to have disappeared)
The A’s did sign a Venezuelan catcher named Argenis Raga at about the same time as De La Cruz and Nunez.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Oh, Argy Raga
Yeah, he was rated pretty highly among the IFA crop, but he’s not close to the top 20 of even a very weak system like this one.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That's the one I was thinking of
I didn’t know anything about him; just wanted to remember who he was.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 7, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
And I believe that's Ryan Ortiz, C?
Also, a guy that should definitely be on this list: Matt Thomson, SP. He’ll be in my personal top 20.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 4, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you've got Leon you may as well add Figueroa
20 doesn’t seem like enough. Can we do 30 if the interest is there?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 5, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Soft line is 20
more if interest is still there.
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Is James Simmons officially a non factor?
Also, Daniel Farquhar, Corey Wimberley, Brad Kilby, Arnold leon, Matt Sulentic, James Lansford come to mind, but maybe not if we’re doing top 20.
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 5, 2010 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
Shoulder injury with no apparent cause or hope of cure?
I’d say that’s a nonfactor, yeah.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Chad Reineke perhaps as well.
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 5, 2010 2:21 AM PST up reply actions
My top 20 includes Shawn Haviland, Tyler Vail, and Paul Smyth
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Oh, and Matt Thomson
I guess I didn’t check to make sure my top 10 were on here cause I assumed they were obvious.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Thomson is a no-brainer
Probably my favorite prospect right now
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah all of them have very impressive,
Strikeout numbers.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Heh
You noticed. Yes, I am a strikeout whore, without question.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Why didn't Thomson go much earlier in the draft?
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
In college, he was throwing high-80s
In Vancouver, low-90s touching 94.
They either fixed some mechanical tweak, or just got him away from a situation where he was being overworked/used incorrectly.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Oh wow.
I’ve never heard of the guy, being a 2010 draftee in a double digit round. 11.9 K/9 and a 1.8 BB/9? I know it’s only Vancouver, but…wow. You can’t pass with more flying colors.
I like Haviland. He's mysterious.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2010 4:28 AM PST up reply actions
Haviland? Even though he was 24 and only in High-A?
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by thejd44 on Dec 6, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I care much more about getting results (Ks, in particular) than about age when it comes to pitchers
It would be odd, to say the least, to not rank a guy who got 166 Ks in 150 innings in a weak top 20.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Is Ross still considered a prospect?
He spent quite a bit of time in Oakland last year.
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I think he is especially since he's in the minor leagues at the moment re-learning how to be a starter
He’s a reasonably valuable major league reliever, but he’s still an a starting pitching prospect.
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 6, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
That should read "still a starting pitching prospect"
I didn’t mean to grade his status as a prospect.
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 6, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Prospect status isn't subjective
It’s based on IP and PA numbers. In this case Ross has only 39.1 IP, below the cutoff of 50 IP for pitching prospects. Thus, he remains eligible for this kind of list.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I meant I didn't want it to read as "He's still an A Starting Pitching Prospect"
as opposed to “He’s still a B- Staring Pitching Prospect.”
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I see it now
Gotcha.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Rookie ball pitchers with statlines that look like Jon Garland don't really excite me
He might be somewhere in the top 50, but top 20 would be far too ambitious.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I know the stats mean next to nothing,
but this guy’s numbers are intriguing. And he’s got the same last name as Fautino, who actually had similar numbers in the DSL at the same age.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 7, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
The DSL is the single most pitcher-friendly league in the world, that I know of
Again, intriguing, but way too speculative to get more than a heads-up unless we’re going like 50 deep.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So..someone give me a ballpark # at our organization's farm system.
Are we talking top 10, 15…25?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
25.
If that. It lost Anderson and Cahill, which will gut any farm system, and we also had essentially every single one of our top prospects miraculously suck or get significantly injured.
I dont think its that low.
Its prob mid pack.
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There are worse systems
The Giants have almost nothing in theirs besides Brandon Belt. Dodgers are pretty much devoid of anything useful thanks to trading it all away for dumbass rentals of relief pitchers.
The A’s are in the 20-25 range, I’d guess.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think that the Giants probably have a better system than we do.
Neal and Belt, Crawford and Gillespie.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
What about Villalona?
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by Rebuilding Season on Dec 6, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Gillaspie?
Really?
I’d much rather have Adrian Cardenas, especially with Gillaspie already down to two option years.
Crawford might turn into an Orlando Cabrera type, I guess. He’s really made no progress with the bat, though.
I like Neal, but he’s not all that and a bowl of strawberries.
The Giants had one A- guy, 2 Bs and 4 B-s per Sickels. I have the A’s with six Bs and five B-s. The Giants might have a slight edge on C+ guys. I think the A’s have more far-away flier types (i.e. Cs with upside) thanks to their recent Latin American activity.
I’ve got to give the nod to Oakland here.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Six B's with 5 B-'s I think that over rates our system. I said probably though I hadn't really looked at theirs closely enough recently.
I liked what I saw with Gillespie in the AFL which is why I mentioned him, though I forgot about the option years.
B level prospect with us
Green
Parker
Carter
Krol
(Is that really better than Belt Wheeler and Neal? I don’t think so)
B- Level prospects
Choice
Thompson
Cardenas
Ross
Stassi
Cabrera
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hm, I omitted Ross from my list
I’m pretty high on him compared to most; I’ll give him a B too. That means Vail falls out of the top 20.
So that means I’ve got Green, Parker, Ross, Choice, Taylor, Krol and Carter (not in that order) at B and Cabrera, Cardenas, Thomson, Weeks and Sogard at B-.
I’m not dropping Taylor more than two grades just because of a single bad season. Let’s at least give him an offseason to fix whatever mechanical issues he has in his swing right now.
Weeks is clearly good enough to play if he’s healthy; the question is just whether he ever will be.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
For Got about Sogard... he should be a B- or more
Weeks i never think will be healthy, same with Ross.
Choice’s ks concern me too much to give him a B.
Taylor was that high because of certainty not because of upside so lack of certainty taking him from B+ to C+ is fine for me. He looked really bad in the AFL.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
He wasnt all bad.
Still played good D and got on base near 400.
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You're saying that the 6'6", 250 outfielder who had just OPSed .900 two straight years
with 39 HR in those years was traded for because of “certainty not because of upside”?
First off, I think that’s revisionist history. Second off, I don’t think the A’s traded for him because of either “certainty” or “upside.” They traded for him because he was universally considered a top 25 prospect; in other words, because he was good.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
maybe it is.
hes also getting old
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Stanton was an A, wasn't he?
He strikes out a load. Choice looks very good so far, albeit in SSS.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
An A-level prospect, I mean
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
You're welcome to attempt to convince me otherwise
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