Boston-San Diego "Close" to Adrian Gonzalez Trade. Impact on the A's?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 3, 2010 10:58 PM PST
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mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that Boston and San Diego are close to making a trade revolving around Adrian Gonzalez. Additionally, it is being reported that Kevin Youkilis would then be moved to 3rd; essentially ending Adrian Beltre's career in Boston. It has not yet been reported what Boston would give up for Gonzalez, but i would assume that either/both of Casey Kelly/Anthony Rizzo would be involved.
Links that are reporting that the deal is close
So what does this mean for our A's?Well, as we all know Oakland has "apparently" offered Beltre a five year contract. It is being reported that Beltre would have preferred to stay with Boston, however, with them possibly out of the loop the A's would have to become the favorite to land Beltre. Apparently the length of the contract is as important to Beltre as the annual amount, so the A's five year contract would seem to appease his wishes. I would conclude that shortly after the Gonzalez to Boston trade is announced that Beltre would then flip and immediately sign with the A's.
Where do we go from here? If, and i stress IF the A's are able to sign Beltre it would represent a huge coup for this franchise. So experts have touted Beltre as the 3rd best free agent this Winter, that would be a major acquisition for the A's. However, my no means does this signal an end to the A's off-season. The A's still need to upgrade what was a horrible offense in 2010.
Players the A's have been linked to
1B/OF/DH Lance Berkman
OF Magglio Ordonez
3B/OF Alex Gordon
I wonder if signing Beltre and Berkman, trading for DeJesus and possibly signing Iwakuma would satisfy A's fans this off-season? I personally think adding these four players would make the A's instant contenders in the AL West, this of course if Beltre lives up to expectations and Berkman can bounce back from a down 2010 season. These are big ifs at this point.
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yes!!
Come on Boston, trade for A-Gon! Then we can probably get Beltre!
by section119a'sfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:09 PM PST reply actions
I'd say it probably guarantees it.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
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That's my thinking too
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 3, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Furthermore, it probably cuts in Beltre's leverage.
This will probably save you some money when all is said and done.
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By no means does this gurantee Beltre (if the trade goes through)
The entire reason people say that Beltre prefers to stay in Boston is an article with quotes taken from a Red Sox convention. Beltre went to a David Ortiz charity event in the DR. He was asked in front of at least 3 Red Sox team members by a Boston reporter whether he might return to Boston.
What do you say as Beltre? I’m going where they offer me the most? I have no doubt he enjoyed his time there and would love to be back. And he said as much.
If we assume Beltre was always going where he got the most money, all that has happened is one (very rich) suitor has gone off the market. Unfortunately, there’s another rich bidder. Until the Angels show what they are going to do, Beltre won’t sign.
This situation does give the A’s leverage though. If they haven’t put a time clock on their offer yet, they absolutely need to now.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I think the A's gave Beltre a deadline
I have no sources to back that up, but i believe that Beane won’t wait much longer before moving on from Beltre. This does, as you mention, give the A’s leverage because who is to say that anyone will offer more than the A’s? If Beane threatens to pull the offer than Beltre could be forced to take considerably less in a market that has moved on without him. If Gonzalez is traded to Boston then Beltre will not be an option for them, this also gives the A’s a nice amount of leverage.
Personally i think that the Angels are going harder after Werth and Crawford then they are Beltre, and he may know this.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 3, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
The Angels are also more interested in Rafael Soriano (another Boras client) than Beltre.
This also works in our favor.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Dec 4, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Why it works in our favor?
It mostly shows how disinterested they are in Beltre if they’re valuing an overpriced reliever ahead of him even without Crawford under the fold. If the Red Sox aren’t willing to go five years to him, the Angels are even less likely to do so. For some reason, they just don’t like the guy all that much (I heard rumblings about how he’s not a “Scioscia-type player”).
I also find it hard to believe that the Angels will pursue and land two Boras clients this offseason (Soriano + Beltre) if the Crawford pursuit is for naught. They’re had some major issues working with him in the past.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
no, why would the angels would not focus on Beltre
I think you are right. Its just if I were the ANGELS I would focus on Beltre.
I also agree they won’t get 2 boras clients
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I'd focus on Crawford if I were the Angels...even if I were the A's
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2010 4:40 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Adrian Beltre would probably be a slightly bigger upgrade (and definitely much cheaper) for the Angels than Crawford.
I reckon the Angels probably believe in one or all of The Three Myths of Adrian Beltre:
1) He’s inconsistent.
2) He didn’t live up to his contract in Seattle.
3) He only produces in contract years.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Because the Angels have money, but only so much of it.
They can’t sign all the Free Agents.
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by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
hee hee...you said "long and itchy"
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2010 4:40 AM PST up reply actions
Setting a deadline right now makes no sense to me.
I can’t remember a single instance of Scott Boras ever caving in to a ploy like that. Demanding his client to sign by [deadline] would almost assuredly result in him pointedly rejecting the contract, even if Carl Crawford signs with the Angels and takes them out of the running for Beltre. Boras’s ego is big enough that he’ll take his chances on finding a deal for Beltre that’s just as good as the A’s offer, even with both the Red Sox and the Angels out of the running, because he is loathe to let himself be pushed around like that.
So while perhaps it makes good business sense to use this leverage, it almost assuredly ends with Beltre not signing here. We’re dealing with Scott Boras, and as a consequence, we’re going to have play by some of his rules, even if it means rejecting conventional business sense.
The A’s are inching closer and closer to Beltre. A-Gon to Boston is a reflection of that. The last major step they need is Crawford to sign with the Angels. Hopefully, Beane doesn’t do anything to piss off Boras until then.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Dec 4, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
If anyone would put his ego ahead of his client it's Beltre
But I don’t see who else could bid 5/64 on him besides Oakland and LAA. Who else needs a 3b? My pure speculation would be the White Sox, Astros, Orioles, Tigers, Mariners, Cardinals, or Rockies. Detroit is the only ones who has the money to spend and are at the right part of the rebuilding cycle. But they seem to have interest elsewhere.
If neither the A’s nor Angels get Beltre, could he re-sign back in Seattle?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
It only takes one to commit an act of desperation and/or stupidity.
Boras has made a fortune gambling that teams would do exactly that: get desperate and stupid. He’s not going to stop now.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I agree
It’s early in the offseason and I’m sure Boras will drum up some other offers, rather than leave Beltré with just one suitor.
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 6:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get the logic in that unless you can drum an offer for more money and years.
I doubt anyone will go more than 5 years. Maybe a couple more million/year but I would think that would be it. Plus, if you look at the teams listed above by vignette17 the Sox and Cards are Rockies the only perennial contenders….and only one of those is on the West Coast where his family is. 5 years is a long commitment to make if you’re going to keep your family in one place and play in another.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
it would be unusual for Boras to have a client sign this early
when he the client decided to take a one year deal last year in order to improve his numbers and come back this off-season for a much bigger deal. Of course, if Beltré tells Boras he’s going to go with the one offer he reportedly has now instead of waiting, then Boras will do what his client tells him to do.
More likely, Beltré would move his family from Los Angeles if he got a long term deal far away. He only had a one year deal with Boston, so it made sense not to move them last year.
Beltré has mentioned that he would like a similar deal to what Torii Hunter signed with the Angels, that is 5 years and a total of $90 million. If it’s true that the A’s offered him 5 years and $64 million total, perhaps Boras is trying to get some other club to up the $$ figure in an offer. If not then all he has on the table is the A’s offer. His only other option would be to take fewer years but more $$ with another club – which supposedly he doesn’t want to do.
Thanks Boston
I’ll take Kelly, Lowrie, Rizzo and throw in a long term upside guy like Britton.
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I'm not crazy about Rizzo....make it Kalish or Iglesias
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2010 4:41 AM PST up reply actions
just saw this on MLBTR
big deal. We may sign Beltre by the end of the winter meetings.
The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler
As long as the deal goes through
Beltre is as good as ours. The Angels are alot more interested in signing Crawford and the A’s have shown that their serious and willing to spend what it takes to sign him.
It's done.
Gonzalez is going to the Red Sox
Sources: Padres and Red Sox have agreed to a Gonzalez trade, pending physical — and perhaps negotiations with the first baseman.
Sources: Major League Baseball has approved a negotiating window for the Red Sox to negotiate with Adrian gonzalez.
Interesting that the Padres GM would grant a negotiating window…they must be getting back pretty good prospects.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Gonzalez just had labrum surgery on his shoulder
I’m wondering what criteria they’re using to determine that he passes his physical? The deal is off if he fails.
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 6:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
one way
to ensure you get Boston’s best prospects is by assuring Boston they get him for more than 1 year.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Of course
My point is that MLB approved it. It’s not the Padres’ call ultimately, though of course they wouldn’t oppose the negotiating window.
They are going to have a tough time explaining to their fans that trading away the team’s best player – who’s also a SD native – is good. They’ll need to show a big haul in return.
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 7:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It is their call though. They have to okay it before MLB does.
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by thejd44 on Dec 4, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, that is what I just wrote
But even if they agree, MLB must approve or there’s no window
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 7:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think this
makes the A’s the front-runners for Beltre. Doesn’t mean it’s a shoe in that he signs, but the probability just went up big time.
agreed
our odds just went up a bit. not sure if we’re the front-runners (partly because i don’t think we really offered what the press says we did), but we’ve definitely got a better shot. i for one really hope beane wasn’t lying when he said that reported offer was not accurate, though. that is too much money for a 30-something beltre.
by guy incognito on Dec 4, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
didn't the same experts tout aj burnett as the third best free agent out of a far better pool just last year?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
if Beltre comes Kouz is gone....
Maybe package Kouz and Sweeney or CoJack for a DH bat or 5th starter. Then sign Lasting Milledge.
by What Would Rickey Do on Dec 4, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions
pass
no thanks to Lastings Milledge. guy has not mature while in D.C. (watched him a bunch). just not someone we want in our clubhouse.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Think if we land Iwakuma we trade Kouz, a SP, and maybe a prospect for Choo?
I’d love to see it and the Indians need a 3B and rotation help. Hell, they need help everywhere.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
Seems like the red sox didn't had to give up that much
I don’t know much about the prospects, but not having to give up any major league players for a guy who hit 30+ HR the past 4 seasons in a pitchers park is a little ridiculous.
Am I missing something?
"Who's this Seagon guy? Is he in A-ball or something?" - Billy Beane
None have played above AA
Rizzo is a big 1b with power, Kelly was the Sux top pitching prospect, Fuentes is a speedy CF with no power.
I thought SD was insisting on at least 1 MLB ready player…
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 8:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
eh
I think teams who insist on 1 MLB ready player generally get ripped off, because they end up taking Joe Saunders as the key to the package. I’d much rather get 3 of a teams top 6 prospects, even if they might take a year to arrive, than a MLB ready player. MLB ready players are easier to satisfy fans, but I’m not sure its really the way to ultimately win.
Latest is that there will be 1 more prospect
PTBNL because they can’t name him until after the rule 5 draft next week. Plus, negotiations w/Gonzalez are “taking a few days”
by OaklandSi on Dec 4, 2010 8:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with pickinmachine
It’s probably my Boston hate comin’ out, but trading one of the best hitters in MLB for a few prospects seems light on San Diego’s end.
This guy is gonna hit 35-40 bombs EASY around Pesky’s pole alone, and the Padres are getting three guys (give or take 1) who “may work out in a year or two.” What a friggin’ steal.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
I also think the Sux are getting the better end of this deal
especially in the short term (1-2 years) since none of these prospects are likely to contribute in that time frame.
Padres fans will be pissed. Gonzalez was by far the most popular player, and a San Diego native to boot.
they did okay
to get 3-4 of a good minor league organization’s top prospects is pretty decent return. yeah, there is obviously a risk that none of them work out, but if more than 1 of them do, you’ve got 2+ very good players at minimal salary for many years. remember how awesome the haren deal was…we took a handful of the dbacks’ top prospects, and two of them are now among the best in the game (yes, i’m still angry about the cgon/holliday trade).
by guy incognito on Dec 4, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
negotiations' latest
via Morosi tweet is that Gonzalez wants a Ryan Howard-type deal. That would mean a five year deal worth $125 million. Not bad for a guy who just had labrum surgery on his shoulder.
Excellent
I can’t see how this isn’t sort of good for us
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