So Far: Good Off-Season Rates Great On A Curve
by Nico on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 PM PST
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PrintIf you're the A's, having made appreciable upgrades to a formerly cesspoolian COF, but unable to bolster the rotation or 3B despite throwing $36M-$64M at the cause, just be glad you're not other American League teams because some of them have to be hating the off-season so far.
Within the division, Texas made a solid offer to retain Cliff Lee and Ron Washington went so far as to say his gut told him Lee would choose the Rangers over the Yankees. Yet a "mystery organ" should have mentioned the Phillies to the Texas skipper, because this off-season has become the "Year of the National League," beginning with Lee spurning two AL suitors for Philadelphia and continuing with Jayson Werth landing with the Washington Nationals.
Meanwhile, the Rangers have improved nothing while so far the Angels have added...Scott Downs, not Beltre (a subtantial upgrade at their current "position of suckitude"), not Rafael Soriano (an actual closer), while losing Hideki Matsui from a lineup that is looking increasingly "2007-10 A's"-like. Note that two key weaknesses, 3B and closer, could still potentially be addressed by available free agents, but also note that even with Beltre and Soriano the Angels would not be favorites, just better.
But this post isn't about the AL West. It's about...
...The Yankees.
"Shouldn't this really be on Pinstripe Alley?"
Probably. So anyway...
Remember when players signed obscenely lucrative deals with the Yankees, only to tell the press that it had always been their lifelong dream to play in those legendary pinstripes? Or would sign moderate deals with the Yankees and then tell the press that it had always been their lifelong dream to play in those legendary pinstripes?
How about Cliff Lee turning down millions and more millions for the privilege of not playing for the Yankees? Now perhaps Andy Pettitte will fail to retire for the 3rd consecutive off-season, but at the moment -- with Pettitte still unsure, supposedly leaning towards retirement and planning to decide in the next few days -- New York's rotation looks like CC Sabathia, Phil Hughes, AJ Burnett, er...Ivan Nova and Sergio Mitre?
How about Kerry Wood also turning down more money to return to the Chicago Cubs. Are the schools that much better in Chicago? That's two players, an ace starter and an excellent set-up man, who took less money to play elsewhere.
I have no idea why the Yankees didn't offer Jack Cust $4M to DH for them. Cust, batting #2 in the order ahead of Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, and Robinson Cano, might score 125 runs. Playing half his games at Yankee Stadium, Cust would find his power returned to him in good condition -- a line of .250/.385/.465 seems reasonable, and you have to think that Cust would have preferred to get $4M to play for a contender rather than $2.5M to be stranded at 1B a lot for the Mariners.
But they didn't. Maybe they couldn't bear to risk that Cust would become not the first, not the second, but the third player to take less money to play somewhere else.
Clearly, the Boston Red Sox have had an excellent off-season. At the moment, though, the A's are arguably second in the AL in this regard, with the additions of DeJesus, Matsui, and Willingham allowing Oakland to bat Kouzmanoff and Suzuki where they actually belong, all accomplished with the rotation of Anderson, Gio, Cahill, and Braden left completely intact.
And really nothing has gone especially right for the Yankees while something rather important (Lee, eggs, basket, oops) has gone rather wrong. It's still early-ish, in that Beltre hasn't landed anywhere, Soriano is still out there, and some trades will undoubtedly be made as the free agent pool dries up. But so far? Great to be the Red Sox, good to be the A's, and more than a bit troubling to be the rest of the American League.
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how many more relievers do we need??
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Maybe one, definitely not 2.
Otherwise we’ll be paying a pretty penny for the leftovers to pitch at Sac
can depth be a bad thing at reliever? especially with several having injury histories and others likely to be injured.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
We already have more relievers than spots
What I mean is that there is no point in paying outrageous money for 2 relievers. Soriano would be 10-12 per year, Balfour 5-6, and even the crappy relievers would be way to expensive. There’s no way we get Beltre and 2 relievers.
i'm not debating the expense and budgetary constraints. i'm questioning the quality and reliability of our relievers.
for example, wuertz was over worked in 2009 and got hurt in 2010. some on AN saw that coming. breslow was probably over worked in 2010 (especially after bailey got hurt) and wouldn’t be a shocking injury candidate in 2011. it’s not a prediction so much as a sizable risk.
so i think depth or upgrading quality is not a bad idea.
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The caveat is that few of our relievers
have options and can thus be stashed at AAA. We’re pretty maxed out as to who we could add and not have to cut someone.
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don't care. we're not running a charity here. better and healthier is preferred.
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Huh?
You want to add a good reliever and cut Wuertz? Add a good reliever and cut Devine? Add a good reliever and cut Breslow?
Or did you want to pay a fair amount for Dennys Reyes and stash Blevins at AAA?
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my comment is aimed more at the harden, duke, devine roster spots. i think wuertz will be fine this year, but yes i'm worried about breslow
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Who do you want to add, though,
that you’re willing to jettison Breslow or Devine or Harden entirely?
Bailey, Wuertz, Ziggy, Devine, Breslow, Harden: That’s 6 of 7 spots reserved for guys who can’t be sent to AAA. Plus Blevins.
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I gotta think one of McCarthy, Harden or Devine will jettison themselves in ST
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
it all started with xbox asking how many relievers do we need. i made a simple statement that i favor quality over the "they'll be good if the can stay healthy crew."
i don’t have a plan or a target in mind. but if we can upgrade, let’s do it and not beholden to the guy currently holding down the roster spot.
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in ronnie of washington's defense, cliff of lee may have chosen the rangers over the yankees...he just happened to choose the phillies over the rangers too.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 22, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
There's a difference?
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thats not what you said to me last night
Zooey Deschanel!
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by ChickenStanley on Dec 22, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing how Cliff Lee took less money for the Phils
As I understand the offers, the yearly rate was just as good, if not better, for the Phillies.
If Cliff Lee is still an elite pitcher at the end of this contract, he will sign another insanely huge contract and end up with more money overall than signing longer-term right now with the Yankees.
And if Cliff Lee at age 38 is hurt, too old, whatever, he may not want to be pitching anymore. He can retire and enjoy life.
I think he made the smart move, both monetarily and for his own mental sanity and fun.
Carlos Gonzalez would look nice in one of the corner outfield spots right now
Also
According to what i read on Sickels’ site, Lee has a child who has cancer, and he really liked the doctors that he had in Philly.
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That's sad
Bur good for him. He did the right thing then…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think the "taking less money" aspect is played up because so many of us enjoy seing the Yankess get spurned, for any reason
Because you make good points.
"Juuuuust a bit outside" - Harry Doyle
The Phillies offer is about $1 million/year higher
There is no way to know if Lee will be good 5 seasons from now. He was kinda bad at the beginning of his career, and might lose his control and friendly umpire strike zone by then.
Still though, I think going with the Phillies is better purely because NYC sucks.
Huh?
and might lose his control and friendly umpire strike zone by then.
Cliff Lee had an unfriendly umpire strike zone in 2010
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Totally AGREE
I’m also sick of the bs about lee taking less money. He actually got a freaking higher yearly rate than the yankees guaranteed. Of course the last option year is cheaper, but it still was a very small difference in contract value in the scheme of things. Lee got just what he wanted and he did not come cheap. The media totally bses on total contract value, the only values I care are number of years and cost per year.
Yes but
If the player and his agent are only trying to maximize the total amount a player is going to make over the course of his career and at the least amount of risk you could make the arguement he left a lot of money on the table. Because if your looking at 24 million over 5 years v . 23 million over 6, there is a good chance he is not going to be viewed as a dominating pitcher for his 38 yr season or even healthy for that matter. Let alone worth anywhere near 23 million. If his option does not vest he may be looking at a $10 million type deal or out of baseball entirely for that year.
I would guess that if the Yankees were asked to present a 5 year deal they would have sweetened the offer the Phils put on the table.
ogallalabob
by ogallalabob on Dec 23, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
The Yankees already have Posada on hand to DH for them
Thus no need for Cust.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yeah true.
Their big signing of Russell Martin means the DH spot is full. They really only need pitching (but they do really need it).
by UrgentMirth on Dec 22, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
True, but unless Martin rebounds
they now have a very meh overall catcher.
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Which has nothing to do with whether or not the Yankee's should have signed Cust
The monster at the end of this blog.
The Yankees strike me as a team whose fans would not be thrilled with a Cust signing
And since they actually have fans, there might could be a ruckus. Cust isn’t ideal, but he’s a damn fine hitter. I really can’t figure why he’s damaged goods to everyone outside the AL West.
I love green because money be green.
Sure it does.
You can have Posada catching and Cust DHing, or you can have Martin catching and Posada DHing. Those are two, mutually-exclusive options that were available to NYY.
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Yankees don't seem to think Posada can catch anymore
Of course they’d rather play him at catcher. He’s far more valuable there if he can handle the position.
by AgitationStation on Dec 22, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
And they specifically told him at the end of last season that they wanted him to DH in 2011
They figure that’s the best way to keep his bat in the line-up.
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Missed this comment before posting mine.
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by LowcountryJoe on Dec 22, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
The Mariners are going to have Cust play first when he did it 17 times in 1998 and not a single time since?
This can’t be right.
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by thejd44 on Dec 22, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions
Maybe you're joking, but in case you aren't I mean stranded at first base as a runner.
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...but wait...if cust can play first then barton was free to play third. all problems solved.
we can trade kouzmanoff for upton.
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Yes. Poor Jack is in an even worse hole with them than he was with us last year.
I think our dissing of him got into his head. He should’ve waited on the SEA offer to see if anyone with an actual offense as opposed to an offensive offense offered him a job.
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
I can't believe you don't consider Michael Saunders a threat to knock in runs
that was sarcasm.
by Michael Barr on Dec 22, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I find him threatening
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
If the A's lose out on Beltre or even if they don't...
I’d really like them to consummate a few more pitching “depth signings”.
I’m honestly not convinced that any of the candidates currently under consideration for the 5th starter spot – McCarthy, Harden, Ross, Outman, Humber, etcetera – will be both healthy and good enough to grab the 5th starter spot out of Spring Training.
I still really like Duchscherer and would love to see him back in the rotation, even if it’s only for a month or so. I’d also like to see him back in the bullpen if he’d revisit that.
Another guy maybe worth pursuing…Kevin Millwood. Not a very sexy name at all, but a reliable vet guy to take the ball every 5th day and give you 6 innings of decentness.
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If they lose out on Beltre, I'd like them to pick up Blanton for next to nothing
and just take on his entire contract.
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Now that’s a pitching staff!
Yes and you have Ross and Fautino waiting in the wings. Also Devine and Outman
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
This
and the A’s should just sigh Duke to a minor league deal with incentives to be in the pen with Harden and emergency starter work.
Beltre, unless Beane decides that he’s gonna change his mind on his original offer to Boras and Co., will not be signing with the A’s. Sucks, but I’m not feeling it anymore…
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sigh Duke
[sigh]
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SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the proper term is "cesspudlian"
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
What kind of money is Soriano demanding?
I don’t see why we dont take a stab at him. As was pointed out a week or so ago, our bullpen regressed a lot last season, and a signing like Soriano could really solidify our bullpen, and coupled with a hopefully descent return by Joey Devine, could really put us over the top.
Bailey – CL
Devine – RHP
Soriano – RHP
Wuertz – RHP
Blevins – LHP
Breslow – LHP
And we should have some depth with Ziegler, Harden, Ross, etc.
Unless of course Soriano has a huge pricetag and writing this was pointless if only I had done a little research. In that case no thanks
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With the inflation of bullpen pitching this offseason,
I can’t see landing Soriano for less than $35M guaranteed.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
ya
if the a’s were going to land a back end arm, jenks was the man. great deal for the sox.
Wow
I had no idea how good his periphs were last year…
Chicago screwed the pooch on that one…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I chewed out a Red Sox fan...
for saying that Jenks is crap and that the Yankees were going to get Soriano and that the Red Sox are the freckled red headed child compared to the yanks.
Mainly because of the second part tho…
We'll see
Boras seems to think holding back him and Beltre will bring suitors out of the woodwork.
I’m a bit skeptical as to how well it will work for Soriano…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't...
I have no idea why the Yankees didn’t offer Jack Cust $4M to DH for them.
Posada going to be their DH?
"It boils down to this. You guys aren’t fans of our management and look through that prism." ~ DrDoom
Could you imagine how mean the bleacher bums would be in NY?
The bleacher bums in OAK couldn’t stand him.
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Can we really call 3B a weakness
When Kouzmanoff had a down year last year and still had a 2.9 WAR? I realize that Beltre is probably significantly better, but that doesn’t mean that Kouzmanoff is a weakness. In fact, if 2.5 WAR is league average, then Kouz was an above average 3B.
"Today, I am the greatest of all time" - Rickey Henderson
I think the biggest concern
Is that while his hitting numbers were down, his fielding numbers were way up compared to the rest of his career.
But yeah, Kouz isn’t really a weakness, Beltre just represents the single largest upgrade available on the F/A market.
"Juuuuust a bit outside" - Harry Doyle
League average is 2 WAR
Kouz was an above average player last year (and the year before and the year before). People worry about his defense regressing and his offense staying terribad and him no longer being above league average. At the beginning of the offseason, I totally agreed that 3b was not nearly the biggest black hole. I advocated filling the black holes of COF with Crawford or Werth.
However, now that the A’s have upgraded their COF, 3b is the easiest position to upgrade with a bunch of money and Beltre still available. And the A’s still need to improve…
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Honestly I will be pleasantly surprised if Kouzmanoff is league average player next year
His hitting has been declining since his rookie season and if you neglect the nebulously positive one year UZR rating he was not a 2.5-3 WAR player in 2010.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
I don't think Kouz' hitting is declining
I think “it is what it is.” Kouz is consistently good for an ok BA, a poor OBP, and decent but not great slugging. The “trend” is probably statistical noise. Put him down for .270/.300/.430 with 20 HRs and you probably won’t be far off.
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I'll take it.
And I think it may be enough. Last season proved we didn’t need much offense, just some. I think we may have achieved it with our recent signings.
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+1
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by Charlie O the Mule on Dec 22, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
.247/.283/.396 with 16 HRs wouldn't be far off either.
It’s not like last year was an outlier. His wRC+ started at 114 2007. He loses 14 points in 2008, loses 3 in 2009 and 11 in 2010. That’s some trendy noise.
My main problem with Kouzmanoff though is I’m actually physically disgusted watching his approach at the plate.
Can Rich Harden play third?
by sleepingcobra on Dec 22, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i barely trust harden to tie his shoes.
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by stm72 on Dec 22, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope his contract came with a person to snooze his alarm for him
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
He has some absolutely ugly ABs.
Sometimes it almost seems like he’s already got an idea of what he’s going to do at the plate, and it doesn’t change no matter what the pitcher throws at him…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that much of a drop is a statistically significant decline.
The defense improvement? I’m not sold on it. The error bars on UZR are far, FAR larger than the error bars on wOBA/wRC+.
If Kouz's WAR was as consistent as it looked, then no, I wouldn't be worried.
But the bulk of his WAR this year was transferred to defense, which as we know, is extremely volatile. I’d expect a +5 defense from him next year, not a +16. If he is able to stay fantastic, great. But I’m worried that he won’t. And if he won’t…that bat isn’t enough.
But didn't he also show a +7-1/2 defense the year before?
+5 may be a little low. I think if he regresses, it will be towards that mark, but not below it.
Ah, you're right.
I was under the impression that he was a +5 guy until this year, but he had a +10 UZR/150 year last year. Huh.
He is 3 years younger,
and figures to continue to be as Beltre gets older.
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Advanced metrics
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
All I was saying, is that we seem to accept that Beltre can put up multiple +10 years,
why not Kouz?
Because Beltre's always been a better defender
Always. Always. Since the beginning of time.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
If both Kouz and Beltre existed from the beginning of time,
then how can Nico claim that Kouz is three years younger?
Your poem here.
(ponders)
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm skeptical of UZR as a measure of quality when comparing
guys on strikeout staffs vs guys on groundball staffs. More GB makes your UZR look better.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's why you use UZR/150.
It normalizes, not just for games played, but the number and the difficulty of the defensive chances.
How does it normalize for number and difficult of chances?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Defensive games.
It’s pretty complicated, but basically, it normalizes playing time to the number of outs an average fielder would have completed at that position. If you’re familiar with Statcorner’s xOuts, it’s kinda like that.
So that's why Beltre's UZR/150 is higher than UZR
even though he played in 154 games. But somehow Kouzmanoff’s UZR/150 is higher than his UZR*150/143, indicating that he didn’t get as many chances as an average 3B for the time he played. That’s surprising.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
Fangraphs used to list Defensive Games as a fielding stat, but since it’s more of an intermediary calculation, they took it out when Dewan +/- came in. I kinda wish they’d put it back. Made UZR/150 extrapolations a lot easier.
I still want Beltre though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Unless of course you suck in which case it could look worse
but Kouzmanoff doesn’t suck
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Park effects.
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I started going there 30 years ago, and I haven't matured hardly at all.
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I giggles
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Was going to to a fan post about this
It stated, in rough terms that Beltre is about a 4.2 WAR player over his career, (3.4 WAR player if you don’t count his contract years, all three of them). over 1800 at bats over 12 seasons (a lot of baseball).
Kouz just got 2.9 WAR last year and is younger, his defense has gotten better each year, and had a horrible hitting year (I don’t think he is as bad of a hitter as last year suggests nor as good as his fielding numbers last year).
Just my view but I don’t think Beltre will be that big of an upgrade this year, and especially over the five years. I would much rather have the extra 70-80 million over the next five years to upgrade this team. Liks signing Gio and Cahill, if Dejeseus performs then sign him too or take on Blanton’s contract this year which I actually see as a larger upgrade than improving our 3b situation.
by j_rich36 on Dec 22, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have pondering something
and I’m not sure that there is a definative way to figure it out.
In my view Kouz is a very streaky hitter, with long stretches that he did nothing offensively to help the team, and then he had times that he was hot and helping the team win. I Beltre a more consistant hitter that contributes regularly? If so how does this get translated into wins accounted for vs. Kous. WAR takes the entire season as a whole correct?
What effect do you think batting Kous in the 7 spot will have on his batting. I would think he would be better??
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Tender elbow.
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Didn't Kerry Wood
sign a $1.5 million/1 year deal with the cubs, and turn down a $10/2 year offer from the Yankees? If I remember correctly and that’s the case, this is by far the most shocking display of Yankee snubbery I’ve ever seen.
Uh, that should read "$10 million/2 year"
Otherwise, what I wrote doesn’t really make much sense.
Yeah, that was pretty funny to me.
As I understand it, the Yankees also made an offer to Harden and he turned them down to take less money with the A’s.
what accounts for the hostility for the yankees? do you think it's the public airing of laundry during the jeter negotiations?
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Yelling and spitting on my WIFE would turn me off, for one.
by Tutu-late on Dec 22, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Geez.
I sent you a text apologizing.
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I don't know.
My optimistic side wants to say that in this poor economy, players are re-evaluating what’s really important to them, and they’re deciding that the money is less important than being where they want to be.
that'd be a good thing (re-evaluating what's really important to them).
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Ron Romanick is the biggest reason, I think
but the A’s have always felt like home to Tricky Dick
I like that he’s excited about coming back as well….in whatever role he ends up playing.
This is a great move by the A’s and I remember last year when he pitched a great game against us…and after the game he talked about how coming back to the A’s someday would definitely be possible.
Welcome home Rich, we love and missed you!
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-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Wow. Olney rates the A's rotation 3rd in MLB behind PHI and SF?
High praise. Do I think it’s tops in the AL? No. But is it a really good sign that people are even having that conversation? Yes.
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If you're counting the pitching and defense as one unit (which is fine, for this case)
I’d put it up there.
Up there, yeah.
It’s great that the A’s have been able to upgrade the offense with only marginal compromise (Willingham, probably about average in LF) to the defense.
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Yeah true
But after buck,patterson,the 2 matts and gross fiascoes i will take willingham any day
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Whoa. Bad memories.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
So many terrible OFs
And all in one year…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Gross actually fielded OK
It was when he was at the plate that I wanted to turn the tv off.
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, UZR found him below average last year
I mean, his defense was pitiful, but it wasn’t as good as we thought it was when the signing was made…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 23, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
I read signing as singing
And sort of pictured an angelic chorus.
“Gabe … Gross”
I assume “was” in your response above was supposed to read “wasn’t”.But if not, note I didn’t say he fielded “great”, but he wasn’t as awful as the matts or as Jack in the field, and he did have that one over-the-fence homerun win
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
Too, I'm not too sure about UZR as a measure of any one particular year
Especially when evaluating a part-time fill-in…
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
I thought his name was Matt Gross...
oh wait…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 23, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but he robbed the crap out of that homer in Detroit
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that was sweet.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 23, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Hard to believe
That at a “power” position like COF we could have so much crap play out there in the same year. Oh and don’t forget about Larish
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On second thought...
Do forget about Larish.
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Forget about who?
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Honestly, it seems to me that now time plays in the teams' favor
The A’s established early on that there was a 5-year market for Beltre. The Angels established recently that there was a $70M market for Beltre.
Right now, it would take 5/75 or more to get Beltre to sign. But in January…February…? Now teams can really say, “That was then, this is now, we moved on,” and an offer of 4/56 or 5/64 might be good enough. Right now, it clearly isn’t.
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The best hope then is that Soriano signs with the Angels before Beltre makes a decision...
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
the coolest thing about the fact that the A's have publicly stated that they are still open to talk to Beltre is
That I was wrong when I opined that they were only filling all their other roster holes when Beltre spurned their offer.
They really are ‘all in’ and open to a payroll of around $75M if they can find someone to take their money.
That said, I just can’t see them offering him 6 years like Boras is now talking, as was discussed ad nauseum on another thread…
I grade that curve at an ‘A’.
It’s a B based solely on filling needs, but it’s an A when you consider the fact that the A’s actually have to budget whereas the Sox (whether Red or White) can just throw as much money as necessary at their problems and hope they go away…
And I grade it that well even considering I really hated them throwing Rajai Davis under the bus for no good reason (Conor Jackson, now, he could have been thrown under a train for all I care…the only good thing about that dude, is every time I hear his first name I’m reminded of ‘Sarah Connor.’)
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Kouz is fine at third
he may have had a down year last season,but it was his first in the AL i think he can adjust better next season.He is above avg at 3rd base,and the hitting will come around.he hit 16 jacks last season,and he got hurt and was out for 2 weeks.If kouz would have had those AB’s back he could have reached 18homers or even more he was swingin a hot bat when he went down.
As far as Beltre is concerned I think the only way the A’s sign him is on the A’s terms.and he stops thinkin he is A-rod and deserves a billion dollars.But do we really want a guy who did not want really be here and is going to be unhappy??(see matt holliday)
And i am also amazed at mlb network and espn’s praise of the A’s.its nice for our team to get that instead of listening to yankee talk for an hour.or how they all want to suck lincecums cock because he is DA BEST PITCHA
Elephants on Parade
Just FYI I'm flagging this comment
as this blog is intended to be more “fellatio free” in its references.
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sorry about that
it cut off the end wich stated that it was Chronicle lives view on lincecum(fact) i will refrain from the fellationess-ness
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Thanks -- accepted and appreciated.
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It sucks?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
and here we go with the fellaciousness again.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 23, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
but bestiality is ok?
I remember a certain elementary school treatise on goats in pens…
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that Kouz just had a down season
As I recall, the hitting coach was adjusting Kouz’s swing at the end of the season, which lead to some homeruns pretty quickly. Now if he could just lay off that slider in the dirt, we may have a good thirdbaseman next year.
Kouz may have had a down season
But I’m not sure if I agree with the end of season part. Here are his hitting numbers from the second half of the season:
Month BA OBP SLG OPS
June .336 .355 .523 .878
July .261 .295 .455 .749
Aug .206 .250 .351 .601
Sep .145 .197 .355 .552
As much as I want him to adjust and improve, he wasn’t showing many signs of improvement later in the season.
I was refering to something I noticed, not to the actual numbers
Still though, I know he had back issues at the end of the season, but I didn’t think he hit as bad as his numbers show. That’s pretty terrible.
Yep, I'm hoping that Aug-Sep was b/c of his back mostly
For the next season if he can just cycle between his June and July numbers, he will indeed be our good third baseman.
Sheesh -- even in an insanely hot June he didn't walk.
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Yes, back issues are sure to be resolved by 2011
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure, you'll have to ask your chiropractor
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
One can dream :)
You’re probably right though, thanks for bursting my bubble.
Kouzmanoff injured his back in 2004 when falling down dugout steps pursuing a ball in the Arizona Fall League and was limited as a minor-leaguer in 2005 with a back injury. With the Padres in 2008, he missed six games with a sore lower back. Last September, he missed time with back and calf ailments.
I love it when the "Evil Empire" fails!!
I mean epic fail!!! They have added the likes of Mark Prior and Russell Martin. That it!!! With Nova and Mitre as their #4 and #5 starters, and a HORRIBLE AJ Burnett as their #3, i see the Yankees taking a huge step back this season, and possibly falling behind even the Blue Jays into 4th in the AL East. All that said, they have $$$ and prospects, so look for a major move before Spring Training.
I am also getting a warm tingly feeling up my thigh about the Angels lack of an off-season. They have no one to play 3rd, no closer, two aging and overpaid outfielders in Torii Hunter and Bobby Abreu, and really nothing all too great beyond Haren and Weaver in the rotation.
All the while our Oakland A’s have added David DeJesus, Josh Willingham, Hideki Matsui, Brandon McCarthy and Rich Harden. Additionally, the A’s have a nice amount of money still to work with.
The baseball gods have been good to us this off-season
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"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 4:35 PM PST reply actions
I don't disagree, but I doubt that other teams are looking at us, awe-struck:
“My god, they managed to obtain Brandon McCarthy and Rich Harden? Their front office is pure genius!”
Your poem here.
Agreed 100 Percent
but, the moves we made had to be made, and they made us much better!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon McCarthy and Rich Harden making you much better is nothing to crow about
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I am not really talking about Harden and McCarthy
I am talking more about the bats we added
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"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
OK adding Harden and McCarthy's bats is nothing to crow about either
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
STOP RAINING ON NO CAL'S PARADE!!
FUCK THE YANKEES!
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 23, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
The White Sox
had a pretty good off season also. Signing Dunn and retaining Konerko, as well as adding Jesse Crain to the bull pen.
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And the Redsox with
Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Bobby Jenks.
This is how the AL stacks up to me at this point
1. Boston
2. Minnesota
3. New York
4. Chicago
5. Oakland
6. Tampa Bay
7. Texas
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
My take
Boston
New York
Tampa Bay
Texas
Minnesota
Oakland
Anaheim
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Another Tampa Bay fan
I just dont see it. They lost the best player (or second best based on how u rate Longoria) and their main source of power in Pena. And they didnt add anyone. Plus Garza is likely out of there by the trade deadline. I see a distant 3rd place finish or even 4th.
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by SoCal As Fan on Dec 22, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
4th? You believe that much in Showalter?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think so cal is talking about an AL East that looks like this
Boston
New York
Toronto
Tampa
Baltimore
But i don’t want to speak for him!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed nocal never knows what socal is thinking
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
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by SoCal As Fan on Dec 22, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
toronto
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by SoCal As Fan on Dec 22, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa. That's a bold prediction.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Bold is my middle name baby!!
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by SoCal As Fan on Dec 22, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
SoCal Bold As Fan or SoCal As Bold Fan?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
The Bold
is silent and not seen.
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by SoCal As Fan on Dec 22, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Merely understood
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Neither
SoCal As Fan :P
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's bold whatsoever
They could probably win any other division with that team.
Only real weakness if the pen…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I still think Toronto has a chance to steal a playoff spot next year
And if they’re gonna do it in the next 5 years, next year is it.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
But they LOST JENKS.
I still think that was terrible stupid…
happens to me every time
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
Minnesota #2? I’d still go NY #1 and Bos #2. Regardless of not adding anyone, the Yanks are still loaded offensively. And I would put Detroit on the list and move Tampa out.
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But their rotation lacks depth
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
see below!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
You know i didn't take into account
Tampa losing Crawford and Pena’, so i would add Detroit to the list and take Tampa out too. I cannot put the Yankees any higher than three because of their shaky starting rotation. They really have nothing after Hughes and CC.
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"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:15 PM PST reply actions
Burnett isn't terrible but they're going to have to put Joba in the rotation
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Burnett isn't terrible, but he has been terrible recently
A 5+ ERA in 2010, 1.5 WHIP, 1.9 SO ratio, and a negative WAR in 2010. That is pretty terrible man!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
statcorner had his tRAr at 4.56 which is about average for a starter. He's a good #4
or a bad #3, but not awful.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
doesn't the negative war mean he performed worse than a AAA replacement would have in the majors?
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 23, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Only if you believe that FIP is an accurate reflection of performance
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 23, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder whether they're losing Papelbon and Cameron as well
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Pettitte
This guy is the mute version of Brett Favre. He’ll hold out for another 10-15 Million.
So,
CC
Hughes
Pettitte
#4
#5
They’ll make a play for a couple starters… Blanton would probably be a good fit for them.
by Colorado Fan on Dec 22, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
O/T: Hope Beltre doesn't have Occular Herpes Like I just got diagnosed
SImply put, cold sore of eye ball. Sounds painful and it is. $$$ wise as well. $150 cash plus $125.00 for eye drops. Herpes sounds yucky (not STD Herpes thank God) but he said 70 percent of humans over 45 have it in their system. It decides to unleash itself and I have ulcer on cornea. I would rather have cold sore on lip but that was 25 years ago.
I have another week of pain before I can wear a contact lense. Hopefully I am reading that we have Beltre by then but I have an awful feeling that he is going to the slegnA. Mainly because I hate them and it would punctuate the shitty week I have had with eye doctors. It will be like being stabbed in the good eye with Beltre’s middle finger.
I'm sorry to hear this, Trainman
We will remember in our prayers, that you get the strength needed to deal with this.
Fuck it Trainman.
As long as the Johnson is in good shape. Ain’t all that much worth seeing left anyways.
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And now you can date ugly people!
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by Nico on Dec 22, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Done that.
Wasn’t worth seeing..
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
LOL
One eyed head in both areas.
The trouser snake is more healthy than the one eye on my face.
Warning: Typing with one eye closed due to soreness is harzardous for my already bad spelling.
TMI-yi-YI!
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Tis good enough...
to make Trainmans disabled snake smile.
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Get better soon!
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SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
oh man
Sorry to hear that, TM. On the bright side, maybe you should wipe your eyes with some towels and send them to Angel Stadium.
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needs moar bacon
by cuppingmaster on Dec 23, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Best Off-Season's By Team (No Particular Order)
Philadelphia: Cliff Lee
Boston: Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, Bobby Jenks, Dan Wheeler
Atlanta: Dan Uggla, Scott Linebrink, George Sherrill
Oakland: Josh Willingham, Hideki Matsui, David DeJesus, Rich Harden, Brandon McCarthy
Milwaukee: Zack Greinke, Shaun Marcum
Chicago Whitesox: Adam Dunn, Jesse Crain
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 6:52 PM PST reply actions
Looks about right.
Personally I’d flip-flop OAK and ATL, because Sherrill sucks and they added exactly zero decent fielders, but they did ok overall.
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So you're trying to make it a particular order, are you?
by Pop N' Locktapus on Dec 22, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. Erm. Ahem.
{coughs} Erm.
{deletes comment}
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Well
at least you cought your own error!! I think your going Goose again tonight huh? LOL i’m not one to judge
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
you're on a roll tonite, Nico
At least the Goose doesn’t affect you typing
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
CAN the A's get Beltre?
I am beginning to think he has spurned the A’s so many times that the A’s are starting to look like the embarrassed lover left at the altar for the 6th time. I think he dont want to play in Oakland if he can avoid it. THAT is major suckatude! A’s desperately need an upgrade at 3rd. Koumanoffhisgame is not the answer that is for sure. If they do land Beltre this team will be one to be reckoned with but will he come to Oaktown? It is starting to look like no.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 22, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Fascinating!
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Dec 22, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
comment of the nite!
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by justANotherAsFan on Dec 23, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
sheeeit....
I wish MORE people around here would write in invisible ink.
That was fun the time they were doing it on the CT thread…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 23, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
The only reason I'd add Beltre....
is to encourage Angels fans to commit suicide a little sooner than expected.
I F***ing hate them!
Hmm...You can hate people without wanting them to kill themselves.
Can’t we just sign Jorge Cantu and encourage Angels fans to get Irritable Bowel Syndrome?
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Herpes.
Much better to know that you’ve at least been screwed.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Not if you have...eye herpes!
It’s all the rage now.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Then quit playing with yourself.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
I'm so glad I'm not your right hand, man.
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Beet the Meatles?
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by alox on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How am I the only rec on this?
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
If we're going to be sensitive on certain issues such as mental illness, we
should also be mindful that suicide and the urging of suicide is no laughing matter. Please refrain from using this subject as a joke, regardless of your opinion of Angel fans.
Thank God I'm well hung.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
I really do think going to Philly was right for Cliff Lee. Since he had a great season this year, and after moving to the Phillies, he has a chance to get a better yearly rate when he extends his contract.
Chance to play God disguised as Michael Jordan
Beltre attitude???
So if Beltre doesn’t get the contract he thinks he should get will he play less than 100%? That must be asked since he has not signed yet and at all appears that he will be signing at a much lower price which will make him feel cheated and will not give 100%. If money did not matter wouldn’t he have signed already?
Money matters a ton to him, but wherever he signs he'll play hard.
Beltre is a competitor by nature, from everything I’ve heard about him. I’m worried about overpaying him, but not worried about getting less than 100% from him on the field.
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Overpaying him is fine
but it’s the years I’m concerned about. I would much prefer 2 years or maybe 3 rather than the 5 or 6 he wants.
True that a deal of 1/20 or 2/36 might be better for the A's than
anything that’s been offered.
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I wasn't joking.
Maybe I don’t know what you mean.
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Yes but he might actually take 1/20 or 2/36 and probably wouldn't take those
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 23, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
There's no reason Beltre would sign for 3/45
and not for 5/70.
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Those would be far worse for the A's than anything that has been offered
Why would you pay a bunch of extra money in 2011/2012 to avoid paying money in 2015? We know the current team is semi-competitive. The 2015 team probably won’t be.
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That's your opinion
I never said the 2015 team won’t be competitive.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd also sign Beltre for 5/70 before considering 1/20 or 2/36,
but if the alternative is 5/80-5/90? I’ll pass.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Small note
Corey Wimberly has been traded to the Pirates, per his own Twitter: Wimboslice3
Don’t know what the A’s are getting in return yet but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a swap of minor leaguers.
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How sad.
We get nothing (assuming that’s Wimberly’s value) and lose the awesomeness of his backflips.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Jane Lee reports A's get pitcher Ryan Kelly
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=kelly-012wil
23 next season but has only pitched as high as A-ball. Looks like good BB/9 and K/9 rates though.
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