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DFA's in the Desert: AFL Game 1 Report
My girlfriend goes to ASU and Im on vacation visiting her so when she has class I took the light rail to two buses (a journey of three hours and fifteen minutes each way) to get from Tempe to the home of the Peoria Javelinas to watch some A's and other prospect play Arizona Fall League Baseball.
This is my report. Before reading it you should know that I AM NOT A SCOUT. I have no expertise in the visual heuristic evaluation of baseball players. I don't even know if I have any skills. I don't trust these observations and you probably shouldn't either. Go look at the numbers, they tell a much more true story of performance and aptitude. Im not even sure that if I was a scout I should be trusted. That being said I was able to sit behind some scouts and get a look at some of the numbers.
Lets start first with Michael Taylor. He really looks bad, even when getting on base three times. He made an out in the first ab that I didn't see and then Taylor had dead quail to RF. He had a tendency to drop his hands and his in his swing. By droping his hand he takes an indirect path to the ball which makes him late on low 90s heat. The one solid ball he hit was a line drive off the glove off Ackley at 2b after working the count well. But he still took a poor path to the ball and while it was hard hit he was more serving the ball than dropping the barrel on it. Though it was pretty well hit it might have been caught by a more accomplished second baseman. He also walked where there were some pretty obvious takes.
In RF he didn't look outstanding, with good but not great range. He showed off his arm against an advancing runner by throwing a bullet to 3b... The only problem was that the seat in the second row of the stands didn't have a glove nor did the runner intend on advancing all the way to the hot dog vendor.
Steven Parker looked much better though. In his first at bat coming off the bench in a blow out Parker did not show great plate discipline chasing ball three which was at his head, fouling it off with a check swing. The at bat resulted in a sky high pop up which I was impressed with how he ran it out really hard. Parker is faster than it would appear as evidenced on both him running the pop up out and his doubles. The first of which he hit 410 feet driving a low and inside pitch straight away to cf off of the top of the 410' wall. I really liked his swing as he dropping the bat head on the ball. In his third AB Parker worked the count well and laced a low outside corner pitch into the LF gap for a double. He showed outstanding bat control in this ab staying on the pitch and hitting it with authority to the wall in the gap.
While I was quite impressed with Parker's bat, defensively I was not impressed by his play at 1b. He isn't going to hit enough to play the position so he really needs to be competent at the hot corner. He did not display great range and let an absolute (but potentially catchable) bullet hop past him for a double. He looked fine around the bag and fielded the one routine ball hit his way well. It was one game and the balls hit his way were very very very difficult plays to make. I would like to see him at third base before I make any substantial assessments of his defensive prowess.
As for the other players: Jose Inglesias .... please stop me from drooling all over myself. He made quite possibly the finest play at SS I have ever seen fielding a hard hit ball in the hole by going back into the outfield and instantaneously whirling and firing a bullet to 2b to get the lead runner. So basically this is a terrible explanation of the play that you really just had to see. He made a couple of other tough plays charging in and has the quickest glove to throw transition that I have ever seen. He can also swing the bat a bit, showing gap power and good bat control. Hes kinda a hackintosh but he also laid off pitches that were completely unreasonable and put good wood on a three balls that all were legitimate line drive hits. The scout in front of me (who's paperwork said Boston on the bottom) said that he had gotten a reputation for being soft based on him missing time from getting HBP and from missing time when he got cleated around 2b. Still I would love to have him in my system. I think hes probably a +10 annually player with the glove and maybe -7 with the bat or a 3.2 WAR player at this point. If Im trading Suzuki to Boston I want him.
Ryan Lavarnway, a catcher for the Red Sox at AA would also be a target of mine if you were to trade Suzuki to Boston. He put up great numbers with the bat this year in A+ and AA and you could see why. Easy swing with some power, he worked the count well and hit some hard line drives. He also caught well and showed a good arm behind the plate. I saw a pop time under 2 second on the scouts watch in front of me. He hit a line drive home run to LF on a low and inside pitch. Could be a sleeper type and I would be really comfortable with him as plan B after Donaldson/Powell and before Stassi.
Nate Tenbrick from Seattle had a great game. He possesses a smooth lh swing which sent a 2b off the cf wall then HR which he crushed to RF. He looks like a dangerous hitter as he showed good plate dicipline in the game I saw and moving forward he could continue to refine his tools. If he can play the infield competently watch out.
Dustin Ackley has been tearing the AFL up and I saw him walk and get two hits. One of which was the easiest two strike opposite field homer swing. It was really a thing of beauty. The scount in front of me said he was the most impressive player in the league and just puts the barrel of the bat on the ball. I think hes going to be trouble for the A's for a long long time in the Pacific Northwest.
Brandon Barnes a CFer for Huston crushed a hr over the batter eye in cf which is ~20ft high and 410 away. Former A's target Ivan DeJesus looked bleh at both the plate and 3b.
Off to the game... youll get more later.
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Thanks for this, DFA.
More information is always nice, especially from something that doesn’t get a whole lot of media coverage otherwise.
by danmerqury on Nov 9, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
So Michael Taylor still sucks.
You don’t say.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
That trade fucking sucks.
yes, I cussed.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
The only saving grace is the trade wasn't bad
Wallace is looking fairly useless as well. The Holliday trade though, yikes.
Don’t get this Taylor thing. Seems to me, the A’s should have video from his days in the Phils’ org and it should be fairly obvious what’s going wrong. Taylor was perhaps the most advanced hitter in all of the minors coming into last season. There’s just no good reason for him to fall off a cliff like this.
by AgitationStation on Nov 9, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
That's why I think it was something done here and not in Philly
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by stranahanahan on Nov 9, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
it was a trade tht i liked at the time
Oh look he just made a play in rf
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 12:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes that would be an appropriate swear phrase.
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Oh for Cust's sake.
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So bad it's good.
Almost.
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if he get fourty more points of ba thats a great line tho
Shows hes still got the eye and some strength
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's a super-low BABIP that's doing him in in the AFL
His whiff rate isn’t high.
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yeah but he look horuggly at the plate.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I heard rumblings that the A's changed his swing somewhat...
If true, I guess it’s really not that surprising that the A’s tried tinkering with an offensive player only to have to it completely backfire.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
That would be very sad if true, have the A's had ANY luck adjusting a hitters approach in the past few years?
Cust and Suzuki are the most glaring examples I can think of.
What's ironic there is that Taylor comes from Stanford,
which is a program known for “tinkering” (some say “messing with”) hitters’ swings — trying to produce higher averages and sacrifice power, IIRC? Sounds like Taylor is getting Stanforded years after he left Stanford!
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Just the opposite, actually
The A’s were trying to add some loft to his swing to get more power out of his bat.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Ah. Seems to be working just ducky.
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It's kinda like the same line of thinking that went behind trying to get Suzuki to hit for more power
or trying to get Cust to strikeout less….I’m sure they went in with good intentions but sometimes you just leave a 6’6 260 pound guy, who hit 20 home runs and slugged .549 between two levels the previous year, alone.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
The A's motto:
“If it ain’t broke, we’ll fix it — or we’ll break the player!”
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I thought Cust and Suzuki were the driving forces behind their changes?
The A’s took charge on working with Taylor.
The monster at the end of this blog.
So anyone can make bad decisions!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 10, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Ah yes, you're right about those.
But what about Carlos Gonzalez? I’ve heard about conflicts between him and the coaches, over changing his hitting approach.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 10, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Been a while on CarGon...
His fundamental problem was plate discipline. I’m not sure if the A’s attempted to do more than cut back on the hacks.
The monster at the end of this blog.
cool thanks
I saw Stephen Parker hit a HR in San Jose. I really like him.
Can’t say much about his defense though. No obvious mistakes when I saw him.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Statnerd girlfriend???!?! Lolol.
No but really, thanks for the update. Even if it’s kinda sad. I am so, so, sooo curious as to what happened for Taylor from 09 to 10. One of the most mysterious changes in a ballplayers development that I can remember. Seems like something isn’t right.
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Cool stuff, DFA
Thanks for sharing and enjoy the desert.
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i cut my hair because ofthe gf, no gf no az, no az no afl
So basically you get this because i cut my hair be happy
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You sold out.
(Hint: Find a girl who likes long hair. They’re out there, and they’re awesome)
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by thejd44 on Nov 9, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
no no no
she likes long but not put it in a pony tail long.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
See, they always have requirements
whatever happend to unconditional love?
I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 9, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
all love is conditional
Also its a small thing that makes her happy that doesnt make me feel anyway in particular so why not do it?
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 10, 2010 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
amen
Save your objections for things that matter. Meaningless stuff like hair/no-hair, beard/no-beard, or putting the toilet seat down, those are opportunities to score easy points.
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No money, no honey
baby!
thanks for the report DFA.
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where have I heard that before...lol
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 12, 2010 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
3 hours from Tempe to Peoria??
Yes, the PHX metro system is horrible. The only saving grace to the light rail is that they currently building a stop at Sky Harbor.
And thanks for the updates! Can we have Wallace back?
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
The light rail currently stops at the airport but you have to take a shuttle... is that what you mean?
I don’t want Wallace back.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
No,
they are actually building a connection to the airport right now. But yes, currently you can shuttle it. Would be much nicer to just stay on the light rail. I live out in Glendale, so I’d still be driving the whole way anyway, but nice for people who live on the east side.
And hopefully Taylor gets it going again. He’s young and only had one bad year, but crap, Wallace outhit him last year.
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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 10, 2010 4:29 AM PST up reply actions
Great writeup!
My thoughts:
-I had no idea Parker was playing some first. I’ll try not to read into it, but weren’t the A’s pretty happy with his D at 3rd?
-How difficult would Iglesias be to get from Boston? I hear they’re pretty much keeping SS cool for him until he’s ready. Is he untouchable or could a Suzuki for Iglesias straight up deal get it done?
-Lavarnway looks pretty good to me too. Let’s steal him.
-Michael Taylor makes me sad, Ackley makes me worried…
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Parker's playing first because the A's will have used their "priority" spots for guys higher up in the minors
Teams have a limited number of players that they can insist get to play a particular position. Josh Donaldson had to play infield for a while a few years back too.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Oh, so it's an AFL rule?
Good to know…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 9, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Parker play a few times in San Jose
Yes, I know, small sample size, but I do not see how he could ever play 3B at the higher levels. No range what so ever. I saw balls bounced past him just a few mere feet from where he was playing. Future 1B or DH. IMHO.
Weird
BA had him as one of the best defensive 3B in the league.
Small sample sizes all around, I’m guessing. Let’s see what TotalZone says when that comes out.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yeah he didn't have great range at 1b yesterday.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know the answer
But I would suspect, a guy who does not normally play first may have a disinclination to go after some balls because of the coverage issue.
At 3rd, the player goes after every ball regardless of where it is, but don’t 1Bers have to not go after certain balls that the 2nd baser should get? If you are unfamiliar with the position, you may not have those boundaries and try to play conservative.
Of course, DFA prolly saw him try to get balls and fail.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
the new position was a good point
But the balls he had a chance with were down the line on monday. Tuesday he had good actions at third but nothing really tested his range
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 10, 2010 11:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good post.
What the hell happened to Michael Taylor of 08/09? He’s as old as Barton is now, ouch. Is it mental? Regardless he’s going to have to Nelson Cruz his life if he wants a shot in the bigs.
He's 24...
Not exactly an autumn chicken. Jayson Werth wasn’t a regular until he was 29.
People are overreacting to this season. His stock is down, but it’s not in WorldCom territory yet.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
The question is why?
Seems like he just keeps getting a little worse and a little worse, both in process and outcome, and no one really seems to know why.
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Well, the minor league review at Scout.com made it sound like he kind of has the yips
i.e. he keeps trying to change things because he’s not doing well, but the changes don’t work or don’t work quickly enough, further undermining his confidence and causing him to make more changes.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Interesting.
I get the feeling he’s a very sensitive and intelligent — which in this case includes “overthinking,” which could be a big liability — individual. It may be that he would be a better player if he were dumber.
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Everyone always makes fun of me when I say how little I think hitting coaches can help players
but this is exactly the sort of thing that I’m talking about. Conscious thought is not an aid to hitting; it is, if anything, a detriment.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think there's a big difference between, say, a "toe tap" timing mechanism
and a drastic change in a hitter’s entire approach. I think coaches (or Edgar Renteria) can help with the former but often just hinder with the latter — see Jack Cust, Kurt Suzuki, et al.
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Or they might help with the latter -- see Jose Bautista
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 10, 2010 4:46 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but the team's .212 OBP isn't a ringing endorsement
for “The Dwayne Murphy School of Hitting.” Ironically, as a hitter Murph was much more like Cust.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yes, he helped some like Bautista and not others like Lind
I still don’t see why we need only one hitting coach for the whole team. I bet some guys like Cust and Sweeney would benefit from Murphy, while others would benefit from someone like Skaalen, e.g. Pennington
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 10, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
BTW the team had a .312 OBP but finished 6th in runs with a talent
level that was probably below that. The 109 wRC+ looks pretty good too.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 10, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
That's funny - I just picked .212 to be overdramatic,
not realizing it was exactly .312.
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Wow! I thought it was a typoe
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
Nope - just plucked .212 out of the air.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yep
You guys nailed it.
Speaking as an “overthinker” myself (not necessarily a good thinker,) baseball is one of the toughest sports mentally due to all the time between pitches and the one on one pressurized nature of the pitcher/batter element. No “flow” to get lost in like hoops or even football, where you fade into the team and aren’t on an island (’cept maybe the FT line and maybe kickers.)
I think Michael needs to just get so frustrated he hits rock bottom, gets mad, sees his career flash before his eyes and just goes for it, thinking be damned.
by supersugarCrisp on Nov 10, 2010 2:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah i'm not saying we should release him or anything
Werth, Jose Bautista, Raul Ibanez, Edgar Martinez and even Youkils took until their late 20s to get it together.
Its funny, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result but in hitting, that might be what works best. Hitting a round ball with a round bat really is insane.
Its funny, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
[smashes head into desk]
by danmerqury on Nov 10, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
I dont understand your beef. I didnt say it, I just found it cute that instead of Taylor “trying new things” in order to start getting results maybe he should just keep going with what worked originally and let luck eventually veer back into his favor.
No, I completely agree that at this point, we should probably let Taylor do his thing his way.
I just really hate that “definition” of insanity that I keep seeing again and again.
Especially since it ISN'T a good definition for insanity
It’s closer to a good definition of stupidity.
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Next time you smash your head it'll be different.
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+1
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I flipped a coin once
I never have to do it again.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Not me. Green will likely have to move to 2B or 3B and Parker isn't going to be a major league regular.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 10, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
How do you figure Parker won't be a ML regular?
His stats last year were probably the single most encouraging of all our hitter throughout the system…
If you’re going to make a claim like this I’d appreciate a bit more insight…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 10, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
He was basically the only player in the entire system who exceeded expectations last year
I think he will be an MLB regular. He’s similar to Brandon Inge, but with much better plate discipline.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He has the defensive skills of Brandon Inge?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
BA likes his glove, anyway
and TotalZone did last year, albeit in a hyper-tiny sample size.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Which is funny since he was as error prone as Green
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Yeah, but again
Pennington is my errors = nothing case…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 12, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
It's actually a really good thing
Errors are probably the easiest thing to improve on defense. It’s much harder to increase range.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
There's some evidence that errors at lower levels actually are positively correlated with defense
The problem people generally have with Green isn’t his glove, notwithstanding the high error rate, it’s his arm.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
They get to balls that they haven't yet had the reps to field and get charged errors.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 12, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and he's got some shoulder issues with that arm
Even more reason to be alarmed…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 12, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, can you really pencil in ANY A-ball player in as a future MLB regular?
I’m gonna guess that the chances of 99% of single-A players of becoming a regular in the majors is less than 50%.
True, but the same thing applies to blanket statements that a player will NOT be an MLB regular
There are surely some organizational players that you can confidently say that about, but Parker is clearly not one of them.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Of course, I'm not saying that Parker is going to be anything at all
Just that, as PT said, if one is going to make a definitive statement one way or another as WC did, then you need to back it up.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 10, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh all right. IMHO he's not going to be a major league regular
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
There ya go :)
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
You are going to need to back that up with some kind of argument, friend.
Parker’s numbers were awesome last year and scouts say he is solid defensively.
I guess I should, but I can't. Here's my thought process
1) 5th-round draft pick
2) Same numbers as Green basically
3) Worse defender than Green
4) I’m guessing he’ll be a B- prospect, and that’s usually not good enough to be a major league regular
In general I don’t get too high on prospects who:
a) Aren’t tools monsters
b) Progress one level at a time
c) Aren’t middle of the diamond players
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's odds-on that he's a better defender than Green, even accounting for positional adjustment
and his hitting numbers are unequivocally better than Green’s…
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Disagree on both points
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm...
First point: The defensive argument can be opinion.
Hitting-wise, it is pretty much fact that Parker had a better offensive year than Green…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
BB-Pro has the following MLEs
Green — .198/.214/.283
Parker — .182/.216/.272
So there’s some equivocation in your facts
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 11, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Do MLE's really prove anything?
Honestly, I have no idea…
Every other stat shows me that Parker had a better year…
wOBA, wRC+, OPS, OPS+…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
It's not just that,
it’s also that Parker’s offense is based much more on things other than BABIP, which are less prone to regress to the mean, and less prone to disappear at higher levels when you face reasonable fielders.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
The more and more I compare Green and Parker
The more and more I like Parker.
The guys’ stats are absolutely for real.
Green’s, meh.
I see Parker being ready sooner than later….
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just not seeing the great difference between their hitting stats
I am seeing a difference between their defensive positions though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
The BABIP thing is true, but the other thing that doesn't always
translate well to higher levels is BB-rate. I’m not sure whether it translates better or worse than BABIP
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Walk rate clearly tends to decline as you go up the ladder,
but that’s true for both of them. Green might hardly ever walk at the major league level.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I'm impressed and amused by Green's ZiPS comps of Robin Yount,
Travis Fryman and Andujar Cedeno. Too bad there’s no ZiPS on Parker yet.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Ooh -- when can they report to Oakland???
If only they were named Matt.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I've a feeling they will be named Matt at some point
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for this, dfa! You're awesome.
That said….have some fun in Arizona, damn it! You’re on vacation!
And the last remnants memory destroys.
Impressions-AZ Fall League
Spent some time watching games in AZ this fall. Three quick impressions: As has been reported here, Taylor does indeed look bad, as does the deal that brought him to the As. The correct question, posed on this thread, is: What exactly has happened to the guy?
Parker looked very good the nights when I watched him. As for Grant Hill—maybe he’s not a gold glover. But my intuition tells me he is going to be a sure fire success in the big show, after another year in AA/AAA. I haven’t seen any position player come through the system who looks this promising since Andre Ethier. Lets hope Hill is not traded away Ethier style, in another questionable deal.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this
But Grant Hill has decided to quit baseball and play PF for the Phoenix Suns.
No word yet on how that’s gonna work out for him…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Oops...Correction--Impressions AZ Fall League
Grant Green, not Hill. Got Basketball on the brain tonight. Sorry.
haha
Don’t worry, I decided to mess with you before I read your correction!
That being said, thanks for your too sense!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 11, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Ha ha, moran!
It’s “you’re too sense.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I resemble that remark....
And I knew what you were incinerating!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
oooh burn
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!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 12, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Great write-up
BTW, Lavarnway is pretty bad behind the plate according to what I’ve read.
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
He didn't look like a great receiver but he had a strong arm
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
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