Sunday, Random Sunday: Japanese Invasion!!!!!
UPDATE (8:34 PM): The A's sent in the highest bid and have won the rights to negotiate a contract with Hisashi Iwakuma.
Billy Beane always leaves me shaking my head and smiling. Even when he misses (Carlos Gonzalez), the unexpected move he made has had me thinking, "Wow, where did that come from?" It seems he may be close to doing it again (head shaking smile, not trading Carlos Gonzalez).
Hisashi Iwakuma first caught the attention of folks in the US with a crafty performance in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. I remember, specifically, the way he maneuvered through a Cuba team that was really, really good. He is not a dominating fireballer, throwing a fastball that is around 90 MPH, though he has managed to strike out more than 3 batters for every walk he has issued over the course of his 10 year career in Japan. He has been better than that in 3 of the last 4 seasons and his 4.25 K/BB last season would have been the best among A's starters, by a lot.
Even if we can't confirm that the A's have made a strong play for Iwakuma, it makes sense that the A's would be going this route. First, they have been beating the "International Scouting" drum for a while. Second, they have something like $20M coming off the books this offseason. Third, they have several young players that will require pay raises in the coming seasons. Combine the second and third point with the fact that they have no way of knowing when their long term revenue situation might stabilize and it is clear to see that signing the Japanese pitcher to a relatively cost controlled 3-5 year deal, with a $16M posting fee, is a better play than spending $120M on Jayson Werth or trying to outbid the Angels, or Red Sox, for Carl Crawford.
Scouting reports on the 29 year old pitcher seem to indicate that he is able to accomplish his outstanding K/BB (4.25 would have been 4th amongst qualified MLB starters this past season) due to an ability to throw four plus pitches for strikes. Scouting reports also indicated that Daisuke Matsuzaka and Hideki Irabu were the equal of Bob Gibson and Warren Spahn, or something. Even so, I am smiling at the thought of Iwakuma coming to Oakland. It tells me that the A's have a plan. In this case I would call it Operation Spend a Large Chunk of the Money Coming Off the Books on a Posting Fee for a Guy Who Can Improve the Rotation for the Next 3-4 Seasons and Trade to Upgrade the Offense. As Yoda might say, "Always focused on the big picture, Billy is."
Ken Rosenthal speculates that the A's might be looking to sign Iwakuma and trade a guy like Vin Mazzaro for a guy like Casey McGehee. Or he may have speculated that specific deal. Personally, I am not so sure that Billy Beane would be looking for that deal. McGehee was more valuable than Kouzmanoff last season (3.5 WAR v 2.9) but he is only one year younger than Kouz and he has only had one season where he was better than Kouzmanoff. McGehee's value was strictly on offense, Beane seems to prefer defensive value when given an either/or choice, and he played in the National League. I'd venture the better bet is that Kouzmanoff's value last season is more or less what can be expected, while McGehee can be expected to regress to something more like Kouzmanoff's.
Even if the deal is McGehee and Iwakuma at the cost of Kouzmanoff and Mazzaro, and nothing more, I like it. I expect something more, but I like Iwakuma as a start. Then again, it might end up being none of this. Iwakuma's team could accept a different bid. If they select the A's, Iwakuma may be looking for more than the A's offer and he can go back to Japan for a season and be free to sign with any team he chooses in a year. I am confident, even if it isn't this, there will be more head shaking and smiling over the next few months.
Random tidbits below the fold...
- I don't think anyone thought he would be penciled in as "headed for Oakland" based on his AFL numbers alone, but if they did... Don't look now, Michael Taylor is proving he needs at least another season in Sacramento. After starting off hot, he has seen his average dip to .217 and his Slugging Percentage drop to .362.
- Speaking of 2011 Rivercats, the A's signed Willie Eyre and Travis Blackley to minor league deals this week. Blackley has some pretty good estadisticas por los Naranjeros de Hermoillo of the Mexican Winter League.
- Through the magic of "Ranked Choice Voting," Oakland may have Jean Quan for a Mayor. She has signaled support for a ballpark at Victory Court, near Jack London Square.
Have good Sunday all...
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Casey McGehee? I don't see him as any better than Kouzmanoff in a neutral situation.
I’d rather have Kouzmanoff with the ground ball staff and trade Cahill for an all-star outfielder.
They might have been better off if Taylor had just stayed home. His trade value has to have dropped even farther….or is it further?
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Further
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
if he had said "fallen farther" would that work?
falling implies a negative change in height, aka distance. I know it’s a metaphor, but is that a plausible use of the english language?
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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 7, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think it depends on if the fall is literal, though I can't be certain.
If someone falls from a 10-story building, they’ve fallen farther than someone who falls from a 6-story building.
Even metaphorically, it’s still referring to degrees in the end, is it not? (For what it’s worth, this is one of those English language things that isn’t a pet peeve of mine)
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Posting system
From Wikipedia:
The Commissioner then notifies all MLB teams of the posted player and holds a four-day-long silent auction during which interested MLB teams submit sealed bids in U.S. dollars to the Commissioner’s Office. After the allotted four days have passed, the Commissioner closes the bidding process and notifies the posted player’s NPB team of the highest bid amount but not who the bidding team is. The NPB team then has four days to either accept or reject the non-negotiable bid amount.
I’m really confused after reading this.
“We are relieved that there are bids,” Rakuten club representative Jun Yoneda said. “We will make a prompt decision on a team and give our response.”
According to Wikipedia, they can accept the winning bid, but don’t know who it is ahead of time. But the club rep’s quote indicates that they can choose which team to sign with. Is either of those two scenarios correct?
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Could it be just a translation issue (or even if he said it in English, a not-100%-familiar-with-the-language issue)?
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like a translation issue.
The original just says that they’ll make a decision and respond.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Crap.
So the whole Oakland/Rakuten partnership means nothing, since they don’t know who the highest bidder is.
Yes our time buttering up the Rakutens has been a waste
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I prefer my golden eagle with a red sauce, myself
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So not raw?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
and according to JediLeroy
the team was relieved and his heart was pumping.
Maybe its too much to read into, but that quote made me think they got what they wanted
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Don't think that was a rumor
I read that Rakuten was hoping for $16-17 million.
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Except the A's know how the system works,
so the partnership must have some definite benefits/advantages.
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High bid accepted, sources say
My loose translation of the latest news from the web out here in Japan.
Rakuten accepts winning bid
We’ve learned that Rakuten has accepted the highest MLB bid today for pitcher Hisashi Iwakuma, who’s seeking a move to the Major Leagues through the posting system.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
If this is accurate...
…word should get out pretty quickly.
by HCF from Oakball on Nov 7, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Let it be the A's let it be the A's
I’m down with Iwakuma pitching here. Guy gets lots of grounders, too.
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Then we better keep Kouzmanoff
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Billy Beane interview
Cuppingmaster already posted this in the Park Effect thread, but just in case you missed it, there is a great new Billy Beane interview posted here.
This is not conclusive,
but the way it sounds is like Cust isn’t coming back. Ugh ugh ugh.
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Billy is too smart to do this again. STOP GETTING RID OF YOUR SUPER CHEAP BEST HITTER!
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously.
You’d think that a what, .375 wOBA would keep him around? I don’t get it.
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me either
i’m no expert, but this seems downright reckless.
by mk on Nov 7, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Also crude and feckless
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Carter factor
I see Beane wanting Carter in the lineup but not in the field. Beane is working on a power hitting outfielder to play Rf moving Sweeney to LF and Crisp in CF with Davis as the 4th outfielder. My bet it is Ordonez or maybe a Corey Hart from brewers.
How the heck does paying Ordonez or Hart more than Cust improve the team?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Because Ordonez is
“90% and improving”
I marvel at how Eric Chavez never thought of that one.
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He's been saving it for his new multiyear contract
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
No problem. I did as well
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
more power and defense
The A’s are not going to pay Cust 3 million to PH and I would play Carter over Cust. I don’t see Beane paying Cust to platoon only against right handed hitters.
Ya, still it's a shame not to give Carter at least a chance to play OF
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Call it wish casting if you must
but me too. I want to see what carter can don in left (or, crosses fingers, right)
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I'm with you on this. If he can play 3B he's got the arm for RF
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it's wishcasting
I fully expect Carter to be one of the two starting COF’s next season
Might as well save your money on season tickets then
I mean, why bother?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Because season tickets are a good deal
If you go to more than a dozen or so games per season….and it’s a constructive way for RAF’s to support their team.
by OaklandSi on Nov 7, 2010 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The point I'm making is that if the team is going to be that stupid,
why bother spending money on it?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And yet it may happen
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I would rate this scenario as greater than 65% likelihood
Also, I don’t agree that Carter is going to be an unmitigated disaster in the field. If he was -4 to -8 would we complain? Probably not. He’s never going to be Carl Crawford out there, but he can be serviceable.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Depends on his bat...
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Well, first off, that's a ludicrously optimistic projection of his fielding ability
Second, even if he’s that “good,” you need some heavy-duty sunshine pumping to get a projection of his hitting line that even approaches average, much less good enough to account for that kind of bad defense.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He's gotta actually play there for a year for me to say he's as terrible as you suspect
Wherever he plays in 2011, if he goes -25 or worse, then I’m ready to say DH all the way. Until then, I remain mildly optimistic that he can be below average, but not statue-esque.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
OK
Let’s say he’s really only a -5. I don’t know why anyone would be so optimistic, but whatever. I’ll play dumb.
Right now his CHONE projection is as a -6 hitter. The positional adjustment is -7.5. That means the A’s are giving a season’s worth of at-bats (and cheap service time) to a 0.4 WAR player.
This is not exactly knocking my proverbial socks off.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
if you really think that, then he should be traded
No use keeping guys like that as possibilities for the future.
He sucked badly in half of his limited ML PAs last year. The other half, not so bad. I don’t think his first half of PAs is truly representative of him.
Maybe I’m too optimistic… but I’d like Carter to be good for us instead of another team.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not averse to trading him if the right deal presents itself
but I’m not sure why it’s necessary to trade him just because he’s not a good option for 2011. 2012 may be a different story.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You're looking at the old projection again
The August update has him as a +1 hitter.
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Ya but that still a 1 WAR player
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well yes
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
That site is really confusing me
Anyway, I’m still not interested in giving a starting job to a guy who projects as a 1 WAR player with high downside risk.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You'd be hoping he matures really fast
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe people are that optimistic because he did alright in a small sample size, and they very reasonably expect him to improve out there.
Nobody here thinks he’ll ever be a plus outfielder, but “passable” isn’t even kind of a stretch.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
You sound just like the tranny I met on Craigslist last night.
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Hey I told you not to mention me
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Sweeney in LF, Cris in CF, Hart in RF
And Carter DH. I’d be very happy with that and Iwakuma added to the rotation. It would only cost a posting fee and Mazzaro+Krol. Plus, I wanted us to grab Hart at the trade deadline but they extended him instead.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 10:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm....nah
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Sweeney in LF, Crisp in CF, Hart in RF
And Carter DH. I’d be very happy with that and Iwakuma added to the rotation. It would only cost a posting fee and Mazzaro+Krol. Plus, I wanted us to grab Hart at the trade deadline but they extended him instead.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 10:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps..
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Sweeney in LF, Crisp in CF, Hart in RF
And Carter DH. I’d be very happy with that and Iwakuma added to the rotation. It would only cost a posting fee and Mazzaro+Krol. Plus, I wanted us to grab Hart at the trade deadline but they extended him instead.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 10:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
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Thanks
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hah.
Nice.
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by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 12:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sweet jesus, that's an awful outfield/DH situation
Give up talent for averageness— check.
Injury-prone— check.
Rely on rookie DH to produce like DH when he hit like pitcher last season— check.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Except for Hart added and Cust gone
This is our current situation. For the record I would like Cust DH Carter in LF Crisp CF Hart RF Sweeney 4th OF….however the situation i put up before seems much closer to what would actually be done, as for Carter, its kinda now or never hes not really a prospect anymore and should be pretty much automatically penciled in at LF or DH.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 12:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's not MY current situation 'cause I don't own an outfield
Carter is awful right now. He’s definitely still a prospect. Either that or a bust— you can take your pick, I guess. Not an option for a team interested in winning baseball games.
And, I don’t think replacing the best one of the bad group of outfielders that the team currently has with a worse one is a way to make the (terrible) current situation better.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Cust best?
Besides walks he did nothing special last year. He can’t play D. 1/3 of the time he struck out. Why do people love him so much? I just don’t know why there is so much love for him when Barton who does the same thing while playing great D is not loved.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
poor keyboard.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
You know
I really do see what these people are talking about. I think there’s something inherently off about what the numbers are saying about him. But it has nothing to do with the strikeouts, or the D or the whatever. But he’s NOT the worst player on the team. And the only thing I’d like to replace him as is as the best hitter on the team, but in order to do that, you don’t actually have to get rid of him. He’s not great, he’s not the best player in the world and, quite frankly, no one here really thinks that either. He’s just good and, possibly sadly, the best thing we have.
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I think the anti-Cust people often lose sight of one thing
Nobody here is saying that Cust is the best hitter because he’s so great on offense (he’s very good, but not great). Part of the reason he’s the best hitter is because most of the hitters suck at hitting. I think we’d all be very okay with the A’s getting a bunch of .390 wOBA guys so Cust is no longer a key member of the team’s offense (and, hey, one of those .390 wOBA guys can replace Cust while we’re at it).
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
precisely.
Granted, if we had a bunch of .390 wOBA guys, I think we could settle with a .370 guy at DH.
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who's better?
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It's the same mentality...
…that’s left A’s fans upper-deckless.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
"All you can eat people!
I’m sticking with the nachos."
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That was only 2009
That deck changed in 2010. For $12 you get a seat plus $6 credit for many of the concessions. It was a good deal that I hope is repeated in 2011.
by OaklandSi on Nov 7, 2010 12:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
me too!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
The Value deck is coming back in 2011
It is available as a season ticket option. For anyone on the fence I highly recommend a 22 game package with the value deck option: great value.
I agree - UNLESS we can upgrade
Cust is our best hitter? OK. But being the A’s best hitter is like being the world’s tallest midget.
by HCF from Oakball on Nov 7, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The world's tallest midget is 4'10".
If Cust is 4’10", the tallest DH on the market is 5’4", much taller, but costing 10 million more. No thanks.
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I take that back, the next tallest DH is not that much taller.
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What's more: Two of the names tossed about (Vlad, Matsui) are actually quite a bit shorter
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ya I was thinking Dunn as being taller,
but he doesn’t want to DH anymore.
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Not as much as the defense of the Short Cust
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Leave Nico alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Short Cust? Jackie 5 is still alive!!!
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I would love it
if he weren’t the A’s best hitter. But until C.C. or JW sign, that’s what we have.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
And what's he going to do tomorrow?
I’m betting on the under of a .387 BABIP.
The monster at the end of this blog.
CHONE projects him to be a 3 WAR DH.
If you can find a DH projected to hit better than 3 WAR that is worth the exorbitant cost that an elite DH brings, then be my guest.
Correct me if I'm wrong
CHONE weighs 3 years of raw numbers to create it’s projection, weighing the last season most heavily. It doesn’t attempt to regress to a “true talent” level.
The monster at the end of this blog.
here is a serious question
Wouldn’t the over shift on CUst lead one to believe there should be a lower BABIP?
Why then, in 2010 he had such a robust BABIP?
What does that tell us going forward?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
It tells us that Cust's 2010 BABIP was 30 points higher than Ichiro's career mark.
That says it’s going down.
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How do we explain 2008 then?
.371 wOBA, .306 BABIP
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A .375 OBP + 33 HR
Cust is going to get on-base via the walk. But if the power is gone the A’s have a problem.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Sure, but those number coupled with the quotes from Cust himself
tell me that it’s an intended result, and he needs to stop doing that.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
I haven't talked to him this morning.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Damn, a bear claw sounds hella good now
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CHONE also assumes his ISO will regress.
Two years of decline is not enough to establish a trend.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Technically
Cust’s ISO has regressed every year since 2007.
248/245/177/166
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Sure, I'd shrug off a 3 point drop
But CHONE doesn’t.
And I’d argue that 177 – 166 is more than normal variation, not when the 166 is supported by an unrepeatable .387 BABIP.
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Oh come on.
You can’t make the argument that going from .248 to .245 is any meaningful decline.
.245 → .177 → .166…that’s two years.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
bah, dan beat me to it
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Can't have it both ways...
Either 4 years of data is enough to establish a trend for CHONE
Or
You’re somehow merging his Oakland time into 2 “years” worth of data and you can’t really establish a trend. I’m fine with that. If we don’t have enough data to paint an accurate picture for CHONE than I stand by my claim that Cust will not repeat his 2010 BABIP and IF he doesn’t bring back the power stick in 2011 he will suck. His ISO will tank if his BABIP drops 50 points and he doesn’t bring back the HR power.
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No one is disagreeing with what you're saying in the second paragraph.
4 years of data is enough to establish a trend. But there is no meaningful difference in data in the first two years. CHONE recognizes that. Hence, no trend.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
As I recall, CHONE uses 3 years of data
So ‘07 doesn’t really matter in the 2011 projection.
I was just pointing out the numbers.
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Hm, I'm 90% sure they use 4 years of data for hitters, recent data weighed most heavily.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Any projection system worth a rat's ass does not care about "trends"
It’s not a term that has any statistical validity.
There is plenty of data for CHONE. That data says Cust is a 3 WAR DH.
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Such vitrol
I didn’t bring up “trend”. Lenscrafters did.
I go back to my original question… does CHONE factor in things like Cust’s .387 BABIP when it makes it’s 2011 projection? If it doesn’t (and I don’t know, thus the question) then the 3 WAR projection is rat shit.
To keep with the rodent theme.
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I mean, it does the same thing as it does with any other component stat
It takes a weighted mean of his BABIP with recent seasons counting more heavily, then uses that as a component of his projection.
FWIW, he’s projected at a .309 BABIP next year. Not exactly outlandish— that’s actually way under his career figure of .338. The power numbers do look a little high to me, but the BABIP is, if anything, low.
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Where are you seeing his projected BABIP?
I’m over at BaseballProjection and am not seeing that.
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I'm not
I calculated it myself.
111-26=85 non-HR hits
472-171-26=275 balls in play
85/275=.309 BABIP
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I was looking at the wrong page
You’re right.
So we can see how the 2010 year “dragged up” the estimate of his true talent BABIP, but his 2010 performance is still being heavily regressed going forward.
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Cust had BABIPs of .306 and .319 in 08 and 09
So I’m not surprised that his projection is below his career line. Although .309 does seem low.
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Also, I really hope this reference to "vitriol" is ironic and not just hypocritical
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Doesn't CHONE try to account for aging trends and young player improvement?
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Crap, didn't mean to post so quick
And I think there’s a calculation that tries to take minor league numbers and “anticipate” improvement.
But that might be something else. BP maybe?
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It accounts for aging
What it does not do is (metaphorically speaking— I know it’s a computer program) look at a statsheet, see something has happened 3 years in a row, and then say “aha, this must be likely to happen again in Year Four!”
Cust’s production is calculated by taking a weighting of his previous production, regressing to the mean, and accounting for age, park, prior performance of similar players, etc.
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I don't think Cust's age (31 in 2011) is going to be a huge penalty
But you’re saying his 2010 line was regressed, so the BABIP was factored in the 2011 projection. Thanks.
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"Aging" might have an effect on Cust...
I put aging in quotes because technically it’s more of a decline in skills. Cust’s skillset is widely acknowledged as an “old player” skillset (walks, Ks, home runs). I’m pretty sure some study has shown that players of that ilk decline faster than other players (and Cust might be at that point right now).
If so, then his recent decline in ISO might be meaningful. You say that CHONE accounts for prior performance of similar players…does CHONE’s weight for aging effects start earlier for someone like Cust? If not, perhaps it should…
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
the only problem I see with Cust is him trying to hit singles
That’s worthless for the Oakland A’s. We have plenty of singles hitters on this team. On another team, he’d be a great complementary player if he wants to single all day.
Cust is paid to swing for the freaking fences and he’s not doing that. I don’t want to see another year of decreasing ISO.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they should hire Dwayne Murphy
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with not waiving Cust... again
But I could also make the argument that keeping Cust in the 2011 line-up could be a mistake.
Trade the guy. Or keep him if you truly believe in his rebound being true.
But don’t cut him and hope to re-sign him for a few bucks less than he’d earn via arbitration.
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What argument is there that keeping him in the lineup could be a mistake?
You’d rather trade for Albert Pujols to DH?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well... wouldn't you?
Seriously though, Cust’s 2010 was the product of a unsustainable BABIP. If he continues to sacrifice power and his BABIP returns to his career level than Jack Cust is going to suck. He’s blah on the base paths and he shouldn’t play in the field. The A’s are already spending $3 million on a guy who can’t hit, run or field in 2011… but at least Chavez isn’t taking up a roster space! Do you really want to put out another $3-4 million on the same player only to have him on the 25 man roster?
Oakland shouldn’t let Cust walk but they should actively explore trading him, especially if they can target a better option at DH. Worst Case Scenario… the A’s should go to arbitration (not negotiate a settlement with Cust). That way win or lose his salary isn’t gauranteed up through the last day of ST. If they think he’s toast and/or they can’t find a trade partner they’re only out a portion of his arbitration-decided salary.
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Who's a better DH option? Numbers are CHONE projected BRAA
Manny – 23
Pena – 23
Dunn – 21
Cust – 20
Thome – 19
Berkman – 19
Branyan – 15
Guerrero – 13
Matsui – 9
Overbay – 2
Hinske – 1
McGehee – 1
Is there any reason to think Cust wouldn’t be the best bargain here?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck "bargain"
The A’s as a whole need to be budget conscious. I understand this. But they have cheap SP, cheap RP, a cheap 1B, a cheap SS a cheap bench and relatively imexpensive options starting in CF and 2B. It’s OK to splurge a little somewhere and the offense seems like a good place to do so. A lot of the A’s worst hitters are plus on defense so I get it that there’s cost in swapping Kouzmanoff for a better bat… but a DH doesn’t affect the defense!
Sign the biggest,, baddest DH bat you can find.
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but why throw money at a small problem
when the bigger problem, with high money available solutions, are, well, available?
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Hey, if I'm all for Beane going after Crawford
But if that doesn’t happen…
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If that doesn't happen then he better trade for an OF
In fact he should do both, like he told Tafoya he wanted to.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Tafoya?
If he was the interviewer, then I won’t be able to listen to the interview until I get off work.
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Because he's NSFW?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
The trouble with splurging on DH is that none of them is more than a
2.6 WAR player. I’d rather splurge on a 4-5 WAR player
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Konerko is 17 BRAA so he's worse than Cust
Fielder is 37 BRAA so he’s a 4 WAR DH. I’m all for trading for him, but it would likely cost Cahill plus something, and I’d rather trade that for someone who’s not a 1 year rental
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I forgot how much Konerko sucked in 2008.
But his last two years dwarf Cust’s production and rumor is he’s looking for a couple year deal. Fangraph’s Contract out-sourcing suggested 2 years/$20 million.
If that’s anywhere near what it costs to land Konerko AND he’s willing/interested in DHing than I’d rather sign him and move Cust.
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Which would be a bit of bargain...
Because it would have a positive effect on the offense while no blowing too much future cash on a guy like Crawford… Assuming Manny realizes he isn’t a big money guy anymore.
Actually, I found it pretty interesting.
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Blog-staffs have tips?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I had better tread carefully around here then
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
not to mention it *could* help attract casual fans
I like this point, even tho I understand Cust is a good DH. Casual fans – including A’s ticket services staff I’ve sat with at games – tend to find Cust less than inspiring. Strickouts, RBIs, lack of 2-out hits with runners in scoring position, etc. These are bullshit stats to regular readers of AN, but the A’s need more than AN readers to get, say, 20,000 fans per game.
If the A’s can actually upgrade at DH with Manny or Pena that could help attract more casual fans to the ballpark and to purchase gear b/c they will likely be stoked to have a “good” DH on the team. And if the team actually improves a bit with the upgrade, I’m for it.
Carlos Peña is basically a version of Cust
Lots of BBs, lots of Ks, lots of HRs. And I don’t see casual fans saying, “I’m not sure who the A’s are playing, but I’m going to the game to see Carlos Peña hit!”
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The worrying thing about Cust is the power dip
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
If it's intentional, someone needs to say "STOP THAT! BAD CUST!"
If it’s unintentional, we’ve got a different problem.
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Well, Daric Barton was intentionally sac bunting for half the season and the coaches liked that
I wouldn’t ignore the possibility that Cust is, to some extent, trying to Sweeney is way on base.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
of course not
and Nico’s point is taken re: Pena (or Dunn for that matter) and the similar skill set. Just throwing out a half-baked idea about why the A’s may be looking to cut ties with Cust. And it only makes sense if they UPGRADE.
The A’s do need to court fans, though, and HR’s are popular for good reason.
Carlos Pena hit .196/.325/.407 this season...
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by lenscrafters on Nov 7, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
there is also Pena's 1b tax
he will want more money because he is a good fielder
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Manny isnt going to get paid too much
too old, too weird. He might get more than Cust but not by a lot. I can see him taking a 1/$7MM deal.
that's two years of cust
and 170 less games than cust
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You would think Barton would be in a package for Pujols though
Pujols is arguably a better defender than Barton. Barton+Cahill+Bailey get that done?
lolololololol
You could trade STL Barton+Cahill+Bailey+Anderson+Carter+Bill Gates and still need to kick in a couple million.
For one year of him?
Pujols is valueless to just about every other team for the precise reason that he wants to stay in St. Louis.
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Sure... unless he gets traded somewhere else and finds he likes it there as well
I don’t think the Cards are going to trade him, but if he did I imagine the recieving team would have every interest in paying him big bucks to stick around in 2012.
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Do you have a link?
Interesting indeed. I think I’d prefer Cust cause of the $$. I think Manny is pretty much past the point of playing the field at any level better than Custian, so his relegation to DH makes him much less attractive.
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Thanks.
Manny to the A’s isn’t a terrible fit especially if recent (stupid, dumb, nonsensical) Cust rumors are true. But my God, I hope they’re not.
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Not exactly a ringing endorsement
I also think Manny is pretty much done with the bat.
by OaklandSi on Nov 7, 2010 8:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
thanks
PERRY: A’s. Oakland badly needs DH production, and Ramirez — foibles, missteps and all — can provide that. Given his age and poor reputation, he’ll also likely provide that on the cheap. Sounds like an Oakland kind of move.
This is not analysis that should be listened to.
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by Future Ed on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right. Oakland has a good DH and Manny isn't going to be cheap.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm happy they included
douchiness into the equation. That subtracts at least a few million no?
Ya but $20 million minus a few million for douchiness could still be a lot
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Two "experts" from FOX say Manny is a Muslim born in Kenya
by richwol1 on Nov 7, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he
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do these experts think he will play more than 104 games?
Cuz that would be the surprising thing.
I would pass, Cust is Cheaper, younger and healthier. And at in 2011, will give the same kind of production
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Manny is my fave hitter of the last 10 years and the A's are my fave team of the last 25.
I personally, would buy a jersey immediately. My fave player+fave team hasnt happened since Rickey being here.
I'd rather spend the money on a younger guy
Nothing I saw from Manny last year indicated he’s much of a baseball player anymore.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, Manny still projects out pretty well too
CHONE thinks he’s a 2.5 WAR outfielder.
Sign Manny, keep Cust. And then make a trade for another OF.
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Manny also played in 90 games last year
IIRC, he had various maladies throughout the season and he’s getting older. 4th OF becomes really important in that case. And, let’s hope the other OF isn’t Jim Edmonds. Might need to put up an Ensure garden in the clubhouse.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
I'd buy the argument that the talent is still there
You just never know where his heads at. And since he turns 39 next year you have to wonder how much longer he can hold up physically.
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His focus would be the main concern.
I definitely still think he has the talent to put up good numbers, as long as he’s motivated and focused. I don’t know if the A’s could get him in that mindset, but I would take the chance that being in a place where he could be the top dog without any other big personalities getting in the way would be a step in the right direction. Of course, he’s been playing in front of big crowds for a while now, so that could also affect things…
As for health, if the A’s sign Manny and keep Cust, they could work out a OF/DH split between the two based day-to-day on how Manny’s holding up. I’d like to say I have faith that the A’s could figure it out, but I don’t know
Ditto
Signing Ramirez would be a step backward. It would be the same as when the A’s had Dick Allen for a few weeks. He quit on the team, and the team never recovered that year.
by Flamethrower on Nov 7, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Dick Allen's career ended after that though.
Also: Dick Allen has a career 912 OPS and a staggering 156 OPS+. Holy christ could he hit. Too bad he was angry all the time…
please dont compare a fluke year to an entire career of awesomeness.
Hart doesnt know how to get on base and his OPS is mostly slugging, which is the lesser form of OPS. You want OBP-fueled ones, not SLG.
Gosh I'm sorry, you posted an OPS
Yeah, fluke for sure. I know people said that earlier and then he hit and people said it again and then he hit, but you’re right.
Yes we need power! Why would we want...
Wait, Corey Hart the guy with power right? Oh I forgot slugging percentage isnt important. He may be a fluke he may not be, but you shouldnt simply write him off and say you wouldnt want him. Truth is, Hart is relatively young and better than any other OF on the roster by A LOT and if you were Billy and MIL offered you Hart for Mazzaro you would do it. If you didn’t want to make that trade I would assume you arent a very good GM.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 2:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd do Mazzaro for Hart in a minute
But I don’t think Hart is that good. I just think Mazzaro’s pretty ungood.
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But in that proposed trade nearly everyone shot it down
And sh*t all over Hart saying he is not a good hitter. I didnt say he was a hall of famer or anything, but that would be a good deal for us so I dont see how anyone could be too against it.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
agree with you
Hart is better than what we have but some people think Cust is going to come back with a 30+ homerun season.
home runs =/= good hitter
but yeah, i expect Cust to hit over 20 HRs
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Hart had a nice 2010
but he doesn’t walk or play defense, so if his power drops even a little, you’re screwed. And he hasn’t been that good in the past.
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Plus he's not cheap or young with upside
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
He is?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Fantasy baseball does not care about defense
Not unless you’re playing in some very interesting leagues.
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Hart has only had a positive UZR/150 *once* in his career.
He’s never been truly horrible, but he’s never been good either.
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So you're saying he's good because
of reputation, or it’s just your own personal opinion or well…why do you think he’s good?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh.
What, then? Total Zone? Perfectly average with a 0. Dewan +/-? He’s a -3 on his career. Fielding percentage? He’s average there too.
Help us out. What are you basing you statement on?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
42
all or most of whom actually watch Brewers games on a regular basis.
You have no leg to stand on here. Give it up.
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42
There’s science for assholes. And as is your nature, you’re a prick and make a joke about a team that came close to putting 3 million in the stands. How many did the A’s have?
Truly your calling is as a prosecutor.
The fuck?
I don’t even understand this.
Whatever. Enjoy your strike.
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What's hard to understand is the basis
for your assertion that Hart is any good at defense
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Paul Thomas
couldn’t understand how laughably absurd using a severly biased poll that has 42 responses is unscientific. He couldn’t understand being a blatant asshole and talking about attendance is fucking stupid.
stop, please?
its not just that you are wrong, that is OK, but being a jerk abut it isn’t.
Please don’t blame PT either, he is not the problem, you are.
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But you're not using any.
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Ed, you'ree my favorite.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
LB!
You appear at the most unexpected moments.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
ed's typing on meat!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yes but you knew that somehow
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
WC... it's MEAT!
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You haven't told anyone
why you think Hart plays good defense. We don’t know if you’ve watched him play a lot. We don’t know if your best friend is a pro scout who watches the Brewers on his beat. We don’t know if you’re using one of the many defensive metrics available on the web.
You haven’t said anything about how you came to your conclusion.
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+1
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Forget it.
Let’s just pack it in before this ridiculousness gets even more out of hand. Don’t feed the trolls and what not.
I don’t want a full rehash of this disaster.
Nor do we need to derail
a third thread within 24 hrs with insanity.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
wooo!
Wait, where are the other two?
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
You haven't told us why you think he's good yet.
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You know,
I could go on, but you are really not worth my time. Not only are you throwing insults and disrespect around like candy at a Fourth of July parade, you aren’t even bringing any facts to the table.
Fuck it. This is where I would block you if AN had an “ignore” feature like it should.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I don't think they hand out candy at a 4th of July parade, Paul.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
But imagine if they did, LB
Imagine if they did. We’d be a lot more patriotic. I think he has something with this idea.
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hmmmm.
maybe this is where I make my millions….
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
wait, we could get slutty for the 4th?
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Can't think of a better way to celebrate my birthday
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
truf.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
you were a hottie last night.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
so were you.
I didn’t feel like myself AT ALL though. I was so damn tired.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Yeah, I could tell.
You were fun, though.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
why not? [pouts]
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
I was young. i needed the money!
Chris Robinson can be quite persuasive!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
They did at the one in Merillan, Wisconsin that I went to a few times
And it was frickin’ awesome.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Well
I can’t provide an acceptable response according to some so rather than go through the tired dance, doesn’t it make more sense to state an opinion?
You can at least try to justify your opinion
and convince those who are willing to be convinced
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Have you ever tried to
convince a fundamentalist that the Earth isn’t 7 to 10 thousand years old? They’ve not willing to be convinced, although they likely say they are.
If you're saying we're all unwilling to
be convinced, you don’t know us
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
You have handful of people willing to listen to any
idea that has substance. People who want to hear your thoughts and you’re basically being flippant about it. Usually when that happens it’s a result of having nothing to back it up and realizing you backed yourself into a corner. And instead of simply admitting it, you’re going on the attack.
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For fucks sake dude,
if you’re reasoning is your own opinion, that’s fine, I’m not sure why you think your opinion is greater than 42 opinions of people who watch most Brewer games or any other metric, and I have no idea why you went on the most insanely bizarre anti-defensive metrics crusade in AN history.
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You jumped the gun on me
On top of a low general score, the only sub-metric he scores well on for the Fans is speed.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So the other data contradicts
conclusions bleated as utter and perfect facts? Totalzone too, its sad that its persisted like some parasite when it was just a kludge do try and draw some information from the minor leagues when all that existed was scouting reports and box scores.
Contradicts?
It corroborates UZR. His career -14 from UZR comes out to three-ish runs below average each year. Which is…wait for it…a tick below average.
You do realize that you just criticized the data source
that (comparatively speaking) supports your position, right?
The better metrics think Hart is worse.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You tell us what you think is a good
metric that shows Hart is a good defender, coz we’re stumped
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
UZR, DRS, Plus/Minus, RZR
all of which have him rated as somewhere between below average and bad.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Aren't DRS and Plus/Minus the same thing?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
No
Plus/Minus runs saved is listed at Fangraphs as rPM. I think DRS is a similar system to Plus/Minus but probably has its own special quirk to make it different enough.
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DRS on Fangraphs is Plus/Minus
It’s the sum of the columns to the left of it, including rPM
There’s also Dial’s DRS which is similar to TotalZone but that’s now being abbreviated DDRS
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
I asked Paul the question because
I didn’t know whether he meant the Fangraphs DRS, Dial’s DRS or something else entirely
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Funny
I never put that together on Fangraphs… I just use Dewan’s from Billjamesonline.
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Ya I used to use BJO, but I stopped
subscribing after Fangraphs started showing Plus/Minus
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
To Dan Fox?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Who?
The only two detailed base running metrics I’m aware of are on BJO and BP. And BP’s isn’t what I’d call user friendly. It looks like a lot of gibberish.
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BP is Dan Fox
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not saying Hart is anywhere near Dick Allen
That would just be an incorrect statement.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 2:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
One thing we've learned from Billy
Is to expect the unexpected.
I think it’s agreed that Taylor’s 2010 AAA season was a bust, probably (hopefully) due to health issues. He is going to need a good chunk of healthy time in Sacramento in 2011 to prove himself.
by OaklandSi on Nov 7, 2010 8:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
But Carlos Gonzalez and Matt Holliday didn't.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Both would have sucked in Oakland
One can’t hit below 5,000 feet
The other is a cry baby.
Which is which?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't it obvious?
Holliday has split personalities.
Whoa. He split multiple personalities?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
With that many personalities, at least one should be able to hit
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
his away wPersonalityToPlay ratio
is way worse on the road
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I'm not sure he even has one.
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Indeed
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
I really wish we kept Holliday and signed him.
We would have made things a LOT more interesting this year with him in LF instead of replacement level garbage.
It certainly would have been nice.
But we didn’t have the salary room to sign him. We do now…but we didn’t then.
Which is why the trade was so UBER-dumb
The A’s could have Carlos Gonzalez and salary room to sign a player like Holliday right now. Heck, if he had been a FA after 2010 instead of 2009 that could have been Plan A from the git-go.
Give me an infield of Kouz/Penny/Ellis/Barton/Suzuki, an OF of Gonzalez/Crisp/Holliday-equivalent (even Werth), Cust at DH, and the current rotation/bullpen, and I’m ready to take on the Rangers.
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by Nico on Nov 7, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Welp, that just ruined my day. Thanks nico.
To think we could have had Cargo this year plus money to burn? GM’s have lost their jobs over less in the past.
Billy has already repented
The horse is dead and buried.
It's still hilarious to me how many people here thought that was a good trade at the time
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Holliday for the Brett Wallace package?
It was a great trade considering Plan B was basically nada.
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No, the first one
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think a lot of that was hope
Getting Holliday meant the A’s were putting their chips on the table. We all want a team that can win and win NOW. The Holliday move meant we could just get that. And it’s not like CarGo didn’t have warning signs: his plate discipline was (and kinda still is) an issue and he had never gotten good defensive ratings until his major league partial-season UZR.
I was cautiously optimistic at the time because it gave hope for the 2009 season. And I thought with a very good 2009, Holliday might be willing to stay. Of course CarGo has answered all his doubts and the economy collapsed and the A’s were caught with their pants down. What’s done is done, and hopefully other teams see just how much the A’s can give up in a trade and like Beane as a trade partner.
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The feeling was there wasnt a lot of difference between Sweeney and Cargo at the time.
So did we need 2 Sweeneys?
But yeah we definitely should never have traded for Holliday. We could have even signed him as a FA with a backloaded contract and had both, ugh.
I think it came down to very bad scouting on the A's part
They were convinced Gonzalez would never improve his plate discipline and for some reason decided he had a bad attitude, too. Meanwhile, they may have loved Sweeney but if so that was also flawed scouting — much of it, at least publicly, based on the notion that he would develop power and not enough based on his iffy knees.
Gonzalez is one of the few “potentially elite” position players they’ve had since the “healthy Chavy” era and many people — Ken Korach and myself included, but many others too — described him as a “star in the making” when he was putting up horrible numbers for the A’s. The A’s failure to see that was, IMO, symptomatic of how little acumen they have around scouting position players.
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You got that totally right
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
The funny thing is Sweeney could hit for some more power BUT HE CHOOSES NOT TO
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He could benefit from Dwayne Murphy too then
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we don't know at what expense
If it dropped his AVG 30 points and OBP 50 points, “Power-Sweeney” might not be so great either.
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So there's no hope for him?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I've never been a big fan
I’ve always felt he wasn’t good enough defensively to play CF and didn’t hit enough to play RF. He’s a good “tweener” but he’s a tweener.
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he "choose" to hit singles so he only had to run to
first and stop – thus resting the knees.
alaska A currently residing in northern Idaho.
Ah -- obviously, then, Cust has a bad ankle.
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Well, he still isn't better with plate discipline
hes just really f&^%ing good at hitting a baseball
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If he doesn't improve the discipline he could go Francoeur
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Hitting requires force behind it
Sweeney’s girly swings shouldn’t really be considered hitting…his strongest attribute is getting the bat on the ball and rolling it past infield defenders. I don’t know exactly what to call that but I know it’s not called good hitting. Nico said it best, he’s a tweener. His best position isn’t CF or RF it’s on the bench as 4th OFer.
by Po' Boy on Nov 7, 2010 2:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
-1 on "girly" swing
you can do better without being sexist
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Boyly swing or kidly swing?
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
So did Roger Clemens and Roberto Clemente.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Neither of them played on the 2011 A's
Although in 2010 CHONE projected Clemente to outperform Chavez
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Unfortunately BEANE didn't
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think there was racial prejudice involved with Gonzalez
Not consciously— I’m not accusing the team of deliberate bigotry. I just think he got looked at through the “brain-dead Caribbean hacker” lens when he’s actually a significantly more intelligent and diligent player than that. They saw a guy without any plate discipline or work ethic because they were looking for it, in a way they were not with, for instance, Crosby.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Whoa. Serious accusation dude.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t think so. I think that sort of thing is absolutely routine in everyday American life.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
In general maybe, but it's serious when you say it about a specific individual
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it's really an indictment of the organization as a whole
but I guess the buck stops with Beane.
In any case, though, saying someone has subconscious bias is an invitation to correct it, not a moral judgment.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Still...you're saying that his decision process is terrible
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well, his decision process on the Holliday trade
cannot be described as having been anything other than terrible.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
At least he's admitted it
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
It could be that someone he trusts is doing it
and since he’s not dealing with the player directly and he’s not hearing anything specifically that would suggest that, he’s just using that valued opinion.
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Then he's not a good evaluator of evaluators
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well we knew that already.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
You're saying this as a hunch then?
You don’t have anything in particular to support it other than your observations about general American prejudices?
I’m not trying to call you out, I just want to make sure that this is coming from you and not from some outside source, as that would obviously affect things.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here
I haven’t run a subconscious-bias test on the A’s front office, if that’s what you’re asking. I have 1. noted comments from them which seem to play into traditional stereotypes about Latin American players (they’ve made similar remarks about Gio at times too), 2. witnessed a trade which could be interpreted to confirm that they are giving weight to those stereotypes, and 3. read plenty of studies indicating that subconscious bias is all over the place in the American workplace.
You can give that whatever weight you think it commands.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I just don't understand why people thought that trade made sense
When you look at the amount of money Holliday made that year, and what other corner outfielders signed for, the A’s could have been barely a win or two worse in that season by just signing someone like Abreu or Dunn for the same cash they paid Holliday.
Given that, they should barely have been willing to offer anything in trade for him. Basically enough to cover the Type A draft picks and then maybe a B-/C+ prospect to account for that year’s services. We’re not nearly as pissed off if the deal is Smith, Street, and Sean Doolittle or Corey Brown.
If Colorado wasn’t willing to take that, the A’s should have told them to get bent and signed a free agent instead.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You know I agree with you on the Holliday trade being wonky
But you can’t blame Beane for not knowing what guys like Abreu were going to end up signing for 3 months after he traded for Holliday. You’re suggesting a negotiation position based on information that did not exist at the time of the trade discussion.
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They knew or should have known that it was a soft market
Maybe not HOW soft, but it was obvious from the get-go that prices were down. Ellis signed his extension during or right after the playoffs, and it was viewed as a very favorable deal (though it ended up not being nearly as favorable as it looked).
In any case, making a move so early in the offseason that forces you to take a particular strategy for the rest of the offseason (see: Cabrera, Giambi signings) is, in and of itself, a kind of blunder.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Not just the offseason. It forced them to promote Cahill and Anderson too
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Again, I agree it was a blunder
And you can certainly argue that Beane could have anticipated the soft market better and if he had waited he probably could have gotten a better deal. Your mistake is in how you phrased the argument.
You basically made an interpretive fallacy.
For example, a medieval monk interpreting Plato’s dialogues in terms of Christian theological concepts could well stand accused of committing a historical fallacy (even if some of those concepts were in fact derived from Platonism), as might a modern historian of science who reconstructs the theories of Renaissance alchemy using ideas derived from modern chemistry. In both cases we find an interpreter who interprets texts and statements from the past by means of ideas which – we presume – were not fully available to those who authored the texts to be interpreted.
You’ve interpreted the failure of the Holliday trade by using information (the cheap signings of Abreu and Dunn) that was not available to Beane at the time. Saying that the trade looked bad because other pieces didn’t appear to be in place is fine. It’s a valid argument.
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OK, but I'm also saying
that the trade was bad because the team should have foreseen that there would be cheap alternatives available (though they could not have foreseen exactly who they would be).
There were a lot of corner OF on the market that year. Burrell, Dunn, Ibanez, Abreu at least, and maybe more that I’m not remembering.
The specific info about needed salaries wasn’t there, but the general understanding of market supply and demand was, or at least should have been.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And none of that crosses the line into interpretive fallacy
At least, as far as I can tell. My old history professor might grade you differently.
I was merely pointing out the problem in the way you phrased the original comment and alternative bargaining position.
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Ugggh. I want BB to get off the "possible #3 pitcher for cheap" pipe
i mean, we have pitching. i know pitching begets offense through trades, but for once, just once, can we wrap up a serious offensive power threat? the a’s need to fill seats, and a werth etc. would do more to fill those seats…………
just sayin……..
well, we have defense
which makes the pitching good.
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Not in a rational scheme of perception
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
The best way to get good young hitters is to draft them
or to trade for them.
Good young pitching can be traded for hitting.
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I'd take a good old hitter...or a good middle aged hitter
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Too bad we can't develop hitters...
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
We developed Barton. And....um.....er.....you know that guy I mean.....
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
A Japanese pitcher on the level of Iwakuma would fill the seats, too.
Maybe not as much, but yeah.
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What is the level of the Iwakuma?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
High and hidden?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
This is actually true
He’d probably draw significantly better than a similarly talented American player. So there’s effectively some level of discount on his salary— figure 30 starts, 1000 Japanese fans a game— probably about $1M a season extra.
Unfortunately the TV rights in Japan are split among all teams, so that doesn’t provide any extra bonus.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This would also be true for the Manny vs Cust debate of course
And Cust does have old people skills while Manny is just old. I’d keep Cust to play it safe of course, but I could kinda see an argument to signing the cheaper of the two.
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That just counts attendance
There’s also merchandising, sponsorships, etc. I have no idea what this is worth, but it’s definitely a non-zero number.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
But like I said, that just gets shared among teams
Merchandising a particular player is of very limited utility. Teams really only benefit from merchandise that’s actually sold at their stadium. And overseas TV rights are shared.
If the 1000 fans average $5 worth of merchandise bought at the stadium, then that’d tack on another $150K or so. It’s not nothing, but it’s not great. I have no idea if that’s a realistic figure or not, but it sounds plausible.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Just curious
But if he becomes a big draw (major assumption on that) is it possible that there would be marketing opportunities for the A’s to be seen back in Japan?
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That would be perfect...
Probably be easier to watch A’s games in Japan than it would be to find their games on the radio in Sacramento.
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Yes
The problem is that every team would benefit equally from the marketing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Every Japanese team, you mean?
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No.
Every MLB team.
I feel like I must not be writing this clearly enough. When MLB-licensed things are sold to people outside of stadiums, all the MLB teams split the revenue equally. That includes both Japanese TV rights and merchandise sold in Japan. The A’s made money off those Mariners Ichiro jerseys that you see on the streets of Tokyo.
Unfortunately, it also works in reverse.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I got the reverse part
I didn’t realize it was also spread equally through MLB teams.
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Are you including things like billboards and ad space?
Because that’s what I was referring to. Things like japanese-related companies buying suites, etc. as well.
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Ticket sales would help the A's
Billboards, as far as I know, would not.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Seriously?
It can’t be that the A’s would have to share revenues from in-stadium advertising.
by Glorious Mundy on Nov 8, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Oh
I thought you meant billboards over in Japan.
Yeah, they’d get the money for behind-home-plate advertising and the like.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Assuming Milwaukee would be a potential trade candidate
What do you think it would take to pry away Ryan Braun? He would definitely fill our void for COFer?
Assuming we are able to sign Iwakuma, we would have starting options of: Iwakuma, Cahill, Anderson, Braden, Outman, Mazzaro, Gio.
Would a package of Anderson, Outman, and Michael Taylor be able to get it done?
We would still have a rotation of Cahill, Gio, Braden, Iwakuma, and Outman.
Thoughts?
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Which brings us back to this
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
He is the face of the franchise
and signed for like a century. Not happening, unfortunately.
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If we traded Anderson, Outman, and Taylor
How would Outman still be in the rotation?
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*Mazzaro in the rotation
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outman's value is about zero
at the moment.
taylor had an awful year and isn’t playing well in the AFL.
it would take a lotttttttttt.
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That's a pretty awful rotation for a notional contender
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And that's our strong suit!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Gamel can hit? Really?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Which one? If Law, I don't care. If Goldstein, I do because he interviews real scouts.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
He’s always hit, when healthy. Of course, I don’t really know if he can hit in the majors since he’s never been given a chance.
He's 25 and his best MLE is about .340/.440 in 2009 by Baseball Prospectus
Yes, it’s better than Sweeney, but his defense can’t be great. Is he even a 2 WAR player in RF? If he’s 25 how much better is he ever going to get?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
He'd need to have a bounce back year
He’d be a gamble, and he’d probably cost more than Cust.
Cust is like a $3 lottery ticket that could win you $10.
Berkman is an $8 ticket that could win you $12.
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8 million?
I bet he signs the 1 yr 5 million dollar deal for somebody…
Derek Lee to DH?
Every man for himself...
Perhaps someone that's actually a better hitter than the guy who is being replaced?
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Yeah on second thought, I'm not impressed with Derek Lee or Lance Berkman...
I’d rather go with internal options, but I’m trying to think about Hot Stove and generate some more FA talk…
I just want the A’s to win so bad, and am want the offense to have that middle of the order power, like 2006, when we had Swisher, Bradley, Thomas, & Chavez!! :(
The FA market seems thin on excitement, and it seems more likely the trade market is where Beane will have to find some pop for the corner OF.
Every man for himself...
Free Agency just started
You’re probably right about trades, but I’d be surprised if Vin Mazzaro nets much.
I'm ready to do a Forst and come back with the same 25 guys if these are the guys we want to acquire
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in favor of bringing in Manny to DH and then trade him to a contender at the deadline if the A's are out of it..
It could be a win win for both…
Manny gets to DH and only focus on hitting and Beane can use his bat for trade value, especially if he bounces back. Kind of like the 10 million dollar gamble for Ben Sheets??
Every man for himself...
Well if that's their big move they will be out of contention at the deadline
They need 2 all-star caliber corner outfielders. None of Iwakuma, McGehee or Manny are that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm ready to trade everyone and break up this team if they're not going to try to win now
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
That would be kind of funny if he just did repeated “The winner isn’t” tweets until he got to the winner via process of elimination.
I am laughing now
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
It just says "Iwakuma-san Oakland Athletics"
so, technically, it doesn’t say either “is” OR “isn’t”… or even “winner.”
(He means the A’s won the bid.)
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
"It is a contract player ... and now it is undecided ..."
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It's Oakland, but from here on out it's the player contract... that's still undecided
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It's Oakland. From here on out it's the player contract. Let's get it taken care of.
それが決まらないと(いけない)
The ikenai part is often left out in casual speech, so it’s like the agent’s saying, “Welp, time to get cranking on that contract.”
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
I was just about to do the same thing
I tried freetranslation.com and it gave me “However, it is..if that is not decided a player contract from this..”
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Which you can then put back into freetranslation
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of my favorite (possibly apocryphal) translation story
Computer programmer decides to test his English-Russian translation program on a really tough challenge by feeding it some idioms in English, and having it translate to Russian and back to English again. So he puts in “the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak.”
Computer hems and haws for a bit and then spits out “the vodka is good, but the meat is rotten.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So it worked!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
So I'm guessing that the bid was won but there is not a player contract yet.
Which makes sense.
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Alright, let's not drag that onto yet another thread.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Hardy har har
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
he's Iwakamura's agent.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
No, he was just reacting to the designation as "FYI"
of information which critically affects how we look at the entire thread.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
[blinks]
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
[wrinkles nose]
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Nah...we'd just find some way to be confused by that too
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, we're just having a bit of fun, basically what WC said.
It’s been one of those weekends :)
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I think, "Holy Balls!" would be best.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Crap. I just convinced myself that I didn't want him
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they haven't actually agreed to terms yet
The A’s have 30 days to negotiate, after which he would return to Rakuten.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Thanks for trying to cheer me up
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from financial numbers, though, it's essentially a done deal that Iwakuma will wear an Oakland uniform, right?
Has any team actually sent in the highest bid and then failed to reach a contract with the player?
Come to think of it, this is actually a brilliant blocking strategy.
What prevents any team from sending in a ludicrously high posting bid that they never intend to pay, like $75 million dollars? They’d almost certainly win the bid, and if they’re intention is merely to make sure a team like the BoSox or Yankees don’t get him, they could just attempt to negotiate and never reach a deal.
I would totally do this if I knew I had no real shot of posting the winning bid and still being able to sign the posted player.
It would sure help if you were in a division with guys like the Yankees or the Red Sox.
Or the Mets, even.
I don't see any rules preventing this, though I'm sure that kind of abuse would draw the wrath of the commish
I did, however, find an… interesting quote from one Mr. Nomura, Esq., referring to the process as a “slave auction.”
See? I’m not the only one…
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
How's Japan's contract system?
I guess that kind of determines part of it.
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More restrictive than America's
Free agency is after 10 seasons there, so it’s not a very big part of the Japanese game.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
What about the original signing?
Similar/worse draft setup? If so, yeah, basically like an indentured servant system.
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Similar draft system, yep
I think their independent leagues are slightly stronger, but that’s about the only good thing about it from a player’s POV.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Also this, from Wikipedia's article on "Posting System":
The Japanese Professional Baseball Players Association (JPBPA) was not consulted before the system was implemented by NPB club owners, and did not subsequently ratify it.57 Since its introduction JPBPA has expressed many concerns, likening the process to “human trafficking”.58 Agreeing that the system takes unfair advantage of NPB players, the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) offered to help JPBPA fight the posting system in court. However, according to one JPBPA official, the Japanese court process is too long and involved; therefore, the “problem can’t be helped”.
I actually laughed out loud at the oh-so-perfect use of the phrase “it can’t be helped” in that paragraph. That’s such a Japanese thing to say about the situation.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I wonder if the commish's office
would see that and take out the bid in an attempt at fair play… um… oh right. Never mind.
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There should be a penalty of some sort for that
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, like being forced to pay the bid anyway.
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Or 10% of it or something
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
And even more shocked that they won, despite themselves
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
that was a great game!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
I watched, literally, about 7 minutes (real life minutes, not football minutes) of that game
It made me want to stop watching football forever.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have won the pennant. Hell I'd rather have won Colby Lewis
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather listen to Huey Lewis
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
The A's did bid on him, didn't they?
IIRC they were bridesmaids in that one, too (like Chapman, Furcal, Beltre, etc etc etc).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yes, they offered something like 2 years, $5 million...for a guy who pitched a lot better
in Japan than Iwakuma
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, he also pitched a lot worse in MLB than... well, than pretty much anyone.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Well yes, but CHONE thought him awesome and so did ZiPS
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Did Lewis require a formal bid?
I thought he was a FA and he didn’t have to go through the posting process.
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He was
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
He had to get permission from his team to enter into the posting process.
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Here's what wiki had
“On October 25, 2006, Scott Boras was announced as Matsuzaka’s agent to represent him in any contract dealings in the Major Leagues. On November 2, Matsuzaka was officially granted permission by the Lions to pursue a career in Major League Baseball via the posting system.”
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Oh no
No no no. Matsuzaka was posted for $51M. His posting fee alone paid for something like two seasons of Seibu’s player salaries.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That's insane
(the fact that it paid for two years of player salaries)
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Oh, no. Not in that way.
They make a lot less in Japan anyway. Just that Red Sox paid THAT MUCH in comparison to what they’re making. Something like that basically justifies a Japanese team’s willingness to do that.
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OK, so "bid" in this case simply means the A's made him an offer.
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UPDATE (8:47 p.m):
Holy shit.
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
speckops:
please take note of MissOakland’s comment.
This is what you should substitute you “FYI” with in the future.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Hee hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
that’s literally what came to mind when I saw that update
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So it's not that you were surprised by the time?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
I've not been around much, but I was around for the whole swearing explosion thread.
Wouldn’t something like that be censored?
That guy looks like an angry Art Carney
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
You don't want to make Art Carney angry....
you wouldn’t like Art Carney when he’s angry.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Lost in all the shuffle...
During his interview with A’s After Dark, Beane clearly and emphatically said that the team’s payroll is going to go up. Now he didn’t specifically say “in 2011” but they were discussing the upcoming offseason.
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I'd say that's good, but he'd better start spending it wisely
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but I think of it in the same way that signing Esteban Loaiza was real news
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I loved Esteban!
Every start was like an adventure!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Masochist
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
One of my favorite pictures of him that I took was the one of him warming up before his ALCS start...
…and the Bud Light ad on the outfield fence was in the background. Seemed appropriate.
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Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone ever figure out why the A's were starting him and not their actual good pitchers
in the #2 slot of the rotation?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This "play good players" idea you have is strange in my A's baseball world. Explain further.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
So is getting into the passenger seat of a car he's driving.
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by thejd44 on Nov 7, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
hi shoes!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, it's real news
Unfortunately all the news says is now the A’s can talk to the player.
Nothing’s actually happened.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's gateway news
Because of this news, they might possibly have something newsworthy happen at some point in the future.
It’s like news marijuana.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Killing me.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. –Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
So assuming we come to terms with the guy...
We’ll have one of the very few players in MLB that throw a shuuto.
Is that good?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Why are you asking Dan?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
only when programmed to.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Really? I now have new respect for him
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't that just Japanese for splitter?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So Greg Maddux threw a shuuto?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yep he found out chicks dig the shuuto ball.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wiki does say this
The shuuto is often described in English as a “reverse slider”, but this is not strictly the case, as the shuuto generally has more velocity and less break than a slider. The two-seam fastball, the sinker, or the screwball in differing degrees, will move down and in towards a right-handed batter when thrown, or in the opposite manner of a curveball and a slider.
The shuuto is often confused with the gyroball, perhaps because of a well-known article by Will Carroll that erroneously equated the two pitches. Although Carroll later corrected himself, the confusion persists.
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Sounds like a reverse cutter
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, maybe more than kind of
“The pitch is mainly designed to break down and in on right-handed batters, so as to prevent them from making solid contact with the ball. It can also be thrown to left-handers to keep them off balance. Good shuuto pitchers often break the bats of right-handed hitters because they usually get jammed when trying to swing at this pitch. It could be said that the shuuto has a somewhat similar break and purpose as the screwball for a left-handed pitcher, even though the latter is also meant to be primarily thrown at right-handed batters. If the shuuto pitch was thrown off the outside part of the plate, it would tail back over the outside border of the strike zone. Conversely, if it was thrown on the inside part of the plate, it would move even further inside.”
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rettuc is English for shuuto?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
So's chocolate
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Future Ed types with meat!
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I see a balanced meal coming together
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think I'm going to In n Out...
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
What about Psycho Donut?
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tell me you didn't miss that conversation last night
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oh no, I didn't miss it.
It was food, mikey. C’mon.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Um...
Bloom. We need to go there.
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gee, you think?
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I keep looking at them.
I’m thinking I’m going to wind up gaining even more weight.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Splitters will break down and in when thrown by a righty to a righthanded batter
generally more down than in, whereas a straight change will break more in than down. But they’re closely related physics-wise.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I really like this chart from SoSH.

http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Pitchfx
Iwakuma’s shuuto sits in the bottom part of the two-seam circle.
That seems like a pretty hittable location
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Not really, actually.
It’s got a nice amount of lateral movement, and some sink, too. Hittable would be the bottom-right portion of the four-seam oval.
Right, it's still pretty far inside/outside
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. In that case I've no idea what to think
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Dark chocolate is yummy?
That’s always a good position to fall back to.
The monster at the end of this blog.
(takes comfort in dark chocolate)
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
[takes comfort in dark lord]
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Satan's your boyfriend?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nah we're just f***buddies
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I've never really watched that show
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
There might be some truth to that.
I think I was married to her.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I guess "a sinker that's a couple mph slower" is a good way of looking at it
Colby Lewis supposedly threw a shuuto, but it just turned out to be his changeup
Yeah, I can see a changeup getting mixed up with a shuuto,
especially if it has a lot of lateral tailing action.
My internet thinks it unhittable
“Problem Loading”
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
how's the commute, sexy pants?
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
We fly to North Carolina on Tuesday to get a place and then we move on Nov. 15
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Congratulations!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks....can't wait to get out there.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
and then we get you back all the time?!?
MO needs football talk lol
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I wish I could find a football blog that's as active as AN is
about this pitcher.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I don’t think I know quite enough about the ins and outs of football yet for one of those blogs
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Your football knowledge already surpasses 95% of those on the Raiders blog.
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
We need a new Raiders site…
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
"whooo raiderzz iz the beztt, YEE"
thats what I imagine a Raiders blog looking like
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Lol
At least you have this entertaining, intelligent, pants-less place to come to
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
throw in a disparaging remark toward same-sex oriented peeps and you're there.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
THAT'S SO EMMA AND JULIA
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Pam liked my old sig better.
That's so Ryan and Bralph.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
move over, Brangelina.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
long ago.
Ryan and Bralph are like, a million times more famous.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Truthfully, the thought of
Optimist Prime playing wacchampion’s double is a bit disturbing.
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Nah, he'd be Ralph's.
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huh. That might happen.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, that wouldn't happen.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I like how we could call them "Ryan" and it still comes out as a dude's name
Kind of fitting.
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that was a witch-ism. Ryan and Bralph.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Not you :p
This guy:

He’s got kind of a Japanese Paul McCartney thing going on. I could see someone liking that, but I’m not a huge fan.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
At least I don't need my pitchers to be attractive
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
How about the outfielders?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think 1B's got it covered
so sign Jayson Werth NOW
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Jayson Werth?
This is where I remember that I have no idea what women find attractive and what they don’t
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe she's seen him unshaven
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I mean shaven
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
NO NO NO
I meant 1B has got the attractiveness covered. So Jayson Werth is more than welcome..I would rather stare at Brian Wilson’s beard than call Werth attractive
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
but you like Brian Wilson.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
I like Brian Wilson. Not his beard.
Everytime there was a close up of it I literally looked away until he threw the ball
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Oh, good.
I was thinking about staging an intervention, had you thought Werth attractive.
But you lose points for mentioning the facial-hair-that-shall-not-be-named. [shudder]
This is where I'm glad I don't live in San Francisco, land of beards
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
So, you fear them?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Fear isn't a strong enough word
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I'd have to hide under a table
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks Shoes
I knew you would know me better than that. And—-okay I dont want to talk about it anymore, I’ll have nightmares
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I am a little worried about the Josh Hamilton business, though.
Seriously. The dude is scary-looking.
shoes, she LIKES Brian Wilson.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Brian Wilson is a great songwriter
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be nice to find out?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think you were supposed to work in a Beach Boy's song
there MissOakland.
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
That'd be a cool place to work!
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She should know all their work
since many of them died before she was born.
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Um..HELLO
they were on Full House all the time so I know a lot about them
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I think most people consider their work on Full House
to be the high point of their career.
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I consider ever seeing Bob Saget
pretty much the low point of my life.
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Seeing as in on the street..
or paying to see his show?
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even in The Aristocrats?
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You really don't, actually.
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Why not? It's fantastic.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Not Mary Kate and Ashley too!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing John Stamos would pick
Rebecca Romijn as his high point.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I like his face and his personality (beardless)
but the uniform he wears is the biggest turn off there could ever be
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I'm sure he'd be willing to take it off if asked nicely
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Lucky Bart
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
um, maybe?
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Should be
But most of it depends on what comes after this move
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
I absolutely think so
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think so.
A, we got a pretty nice pitcher whose strengths should play well with our defense, and B, it shows that Billy means business about this offseason.
But cost money which closes options toward another bat
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Not neccessarily
The payroll is going up, how much hasn’t been specified.
Sure, this probably means we miss out on Crawford or Werth but those guys were long-shots at best. Having cheap pitching is the next best thing to having the Yankee’s revenue streams.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Dracula?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
What would be the rule on trading him? Would they not be able to trade him until after the day when they could trade a normal free agent? (June 1st if I recall correctly?)
Yeah
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
No
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
So we have a maybe....a should be...two I think so's and a no.
one of these is bound to be right.
But seriously, folks....
Yay! We're right as usual!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
we're pretty impressive.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well I'll hope for the best but I won't pretend to have any idea how good he'll be
so far none of the Japanese pitchers has been great but that doesn’t mean he can’t be.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
True. Anything's possible under the canopy of the sun
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
I like that...gives me hope
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
The judge in my jury duty experience said that to some lawyer who kept asking
“Do you think it’s possible…..” ten times to each prospective juror he questioned.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think its time to start with the nickname generation
I vote for either Bear or just Kuma (Kuma = bear in Japanese, if you didn’t guess that).
Just please don’t call him pedobear.
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
Which just adds to the irony!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Right
His name means something like “mountain crevice.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
As far as we know
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Certain Japanese names do not translate well into English
Most notably the girl’s name Aiko, which literally translates to “love-child.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Never meant to be
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Winner!!!!!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Why? One's Encino and one's Mountain Crevice
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
ok, I vote for Cavebear.
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
How about pedokuma?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I prefer to be irritated now
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
I have a cream that might help you with that
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
No! You'll give me a burning cream
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Drats!....I can't get anyone to fall for my trap.
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
How the Hell did this end up here?
This joke only makes sense in the classy dad section of the thread.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yeah I've done this before.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
I just got back from seeing The Social Network
It turns out the internet sucks!
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.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I knew it!
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry to give away the ending
I liked the movie, for the most part — excellent acting all around.
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Gigs and I saw it at the Cerrito a few weeks ago
It really is a fantastic film. I love Sorkin’s dialogue and the way that the actors deliver it is impeccable. It’s funny that you just saw it tonight, as I’ve been listening to the soundtrack for the past few hours. I’m usually not a big fan of electronica, but Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross’ work is hypnotic.
In God We Trust....All Others Must Show Data
sure, don't invite me, wes. that's okay.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm waiting for the movie about Twitter
I’m guessing it will have 140 words of dialogue in it.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible character development?
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You still have 117 characters left
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
They'll be bringing back some of the greats of the silent film era
They’ll be a little still, but I think it’ll work out.
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They'll be decomposed too
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
It is a horror film, right?
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
The A's already did that last season
And by “free,” I mean “release.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Most likely they self ruled that out before they even started, which makes me angrier than Art Carney
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
They had a better chance of signing Art Carney.
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Maybe, but I don't see the point of signing Joe Blanton for $40 million
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
The A's obviously believe he will be better than Blanton
They may be right, they may be wrong, but they don’t tend to go out and spend $40M on mediocre pitchers.
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Esteban Loazia says hi
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
I doubt that he does, since we've never met
That was 3 years / 21 million.
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You did meet
he was driving at 90 while yelling it though.
he’s the guy who threw the tequila bottle at you
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
He's my dad?
Now it all makes sense.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah my Dad was classy...he threw Pabst Blue Ribbon's at me
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yummy!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope they're right and I'm wrong
But this reminds me of Loaiza
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda does, doesn't it?
Eh, whatever. Screw it. The Loaiza deal wasn’t much good but it did arguably get the team through to the postseason in 2006 (I’m not sure Seth Etherton had it in him…).
It’s filling a roster hole with a decent player, and maybe even filling two holes if they trade Mazzaro for a corner OF.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That corner OF had better be better than Sweeney, Carter 2011 or McGehee
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Joyce?
They could deal Mazzaro to Tampa with the Rays moving him to their bullpen to fill some of the holes that they have there.
Would probably require another piece of some kind, but probably not a big one.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Interesting you mention him
He and Ryan Raburn got on my radar this past year as possible “sleepers.”
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Do the Rays really want to trade Joyce for a middle reliever?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
No idea
They certainly haven’t gone out of their way to give him a starting job, however.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And ideally no waiver of the arbitration process.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Whoops
This should have been in response to Nico, w/r/t contract terms.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Meh...those last 2 years aren't worth much anyway unless he's awesome
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
The thing about Loaiza
is that he was always defined by his poor attitude/work ethic. “Million dollar arm, 10 cent head.” If Iwakuma has exactly Loaiza’s ability but a strong “everything else,” sign me up.
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Did Loaiza really have a "million dollar arm"?
I thought he was a below average pitcher who learned the cutter and had a couple of good years till the league caught up with him
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
he did it all with smoke and mirrors according to my barometer.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 7, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
He always had good stuff
Excellent control, 90s fastball. He was best described throughout his career as “enigmatic.”
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He never struck out many though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Part of what went wrong there was he was injured and didn't bother to say anything.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And the A's didn't bother to notice
that was he was lobbing 82MPH fastballs. It’s called “Danmeyering.”
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Probably more like $32M
Typically posting fees and guaranteed contract money have tracked each other pretty well, at least for the elite guys (yes, I realize the irony of referring to Kei Igawa as “elite”— by the way, did you know he still has a year left on his contract?). Team gets half, player gets half.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
How many years, you think?
3? 4?
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I'd hope for something like 3 years at $5M a year
with a $6M option year, $1M buyout.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So 4 years, $32 million for a 2.5-3.5 WAR pitcher.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't look right...
Try 3/32 with a 4th year option that would push it to 4/38.
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Basically market price
but, he does have some upside, so what the hell. I’m for it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
The whole thing depends on what they do next. They've basically
replaced Cahill with a more expensive version. Now if they trade the original for a 3 WAR OF, we might have something.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
or keep him and deal Mazz?
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Huh?
I’m still counting the original as being part of the rotation.
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How do you propose to get 2 outfielders if Crawford is off the table?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think reality ruled out getting those two.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well sure, but I was avoiding it till now
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
It was a nice dream while it lasted thought, right?
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
See most of my dreams involve the Raiders or characters from Mad Men
I guess I’m just not a good A’s fan.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily
The posting fee is a one time lump sum. Beane has said the budget is going up.
The contract Iwakuma signs could make a Crawford/Werth signing impossible but the posting fee itself might not do it. And I don’t know what it’s going to take to sign Iwakuma.
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Beane said in the Tafoya interview that payroll will go up
So, not necessarily.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Thoughts:
-We have made a big splash and got the only premier FA from Asia once Darvish and what’s his face weren’t posted.
-HE’S NOT JOE BLANTON OR ESTEBAN LOAIZA. He is a different pitcher than both.
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Yes, and YES!!!!
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So he's not fat or drunk....pfft...he sounds dull.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Different sure, but is he any better?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Or at least it's a safe bet that the A's are convinced that he is.
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hey Nico should I start a new thread about this thing?
this one’s getting a bit full.
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Go for it!
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Hi EN!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
missed where?
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by emperor nobody on Nov 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
It would be nice if you could track down a 2nd source to confirm the story...
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you're right grover, hold on
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by emperor nobody on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
This is just damn cool
Way to go Billy!
Everyone’s talking about the M’s and Rangers as being highest bidders and then BOOM! look who swooped in and grabbed him…
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Don't mess with Oakland, FOOL!
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Almost got Chapman and Lewis. Did get Ynoa, Loaiza and Iwakuma
Good or bad?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Always look on the bright side of life
(whistles)
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
In case this wasn't posted earlier
here is a video of people throwing shuuto pitches in Japan, which is supposedly one of Iwakuma pitches. Looks sexy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZZ01WQhFnU
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by Bed on Nov 7, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
HERE'S A NEW THREAD TO DISCUSS THIS BOLD MOVE

YOU JUST GO AHEAD ON, MR. BEANE
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Iwakuma
Priorities! Mr. Beane might want to forget about spending big bucks for something the As don’t need [another pitcher] and put the money instead into one or two of the biggest, loudest bats he can find. Had that been done at mid-season, the As would have had a better chance of squeezing past Texas, winning their division—and then who knows what might have happened after that..
The offseason just started.
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