A's taking a shot at Iwakuma?
by travdog6 on Nov 6, 2010 8:57 PM PDT
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This hasn't been on AN at all! According to everyone's favorite journalist Ken Rosenthal, the A's have placed a bid for Iwakuma. It's not exactly clear what the A's bid was or if they have a real shot at posting Iwakuma, but it's exciting nonetheless. It's also exciting that Rosenthal notes that the Rangers' bid may have been too low. This doesn't mean they are absolutely out, but it's a good sign for us. The last thing the Rangers need is any help at all.
Discuss!
New link!: Well not exactly new, but Rosenthal suggests that the Brewers are a potential trading partner (if the A's land Iwakuma) if the Brewers are willing to part with Casey McGehee.
I'm not big on a 3B upgrade as McGehee wouldn't be the upgrade that would push the A's over the edge. He is however under control for the next 4 (?) years and is definitely a good looking player. Your thoughts?
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I posted this because it appears PL's post was deleted (weird).
If I’m wrong about that, I’ll delete this one.
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I have no idea what just happened there
And I’m going to decide not to jump to conclusions on it.
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by Flashfire on Nov 6, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You ruined my thread: this is your punishment, deal with it.
……and thats all I’ll say about it :)
Other than, IWAKUMA IZ TEH AWESOME AND I HOPES WE GET HIM!
jesus, how old are you?
this is the first time i’m ever flagging a comment, for “obviously this dbag isn’t mature enough to handle AN”
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No, it's all you
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by Flashfire on Nov 7, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dbag?
That’s probably not a great de-escalation strategy.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
fuck off
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Is this really in the best interests of the site?
I don’t think I said anything warranting that response.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
uhhhhhhh......
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bed!
Staying out of trouble, man?
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
pfft....my middle name is trouble...well not really
yep doing good…how about you?
But seriously, folks....
pretty good
drinking pumpkin ale right now. Yum.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Punishment?
That’s like shooting everyone in the elevator because one guy farted.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I said I might have overreacted, ok?
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lol and you were the one that farted too
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
People actually said shooting them was only the second worst thing
I had done to them that day.
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Really
Shooting them was doing them a favor.
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You would think a jury would go for that defense.
But nooooooooo.
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Wow, you guys really hate Office Space.
Am I not picking up on something?
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
The history behind why he felt the need to post it.
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Wait, what's the problem with an Office Space reference?
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think Iwakuma would be a great acquisition for the A's
High groundball rate, solid control too.
Some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisashi_Iwakuma#Pitching_style
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisashi_Iwakuma#Career_statistics
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I like it.
Makes another pitcher expendable. I’m really excited to see the A’s (possibly) open up the bank. If they can’t land a hitter, they might as well land the best pitcher they can and go from there.
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I'm hoping our partnership with Rakuten puts us in the drivers seat
But I don’t want to get too carried away.
[But secretly I do]
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Fly, Daniel.
Fly away.
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Rakuten gets to decide independently from the cash, right?
If, say Texas put in a bid for $20 and we said $19, is it silly to guess that Rakuten might go with Oakland because of our partnership, assuming the cash difference isn’t that much?
Who says that
Oakland didn’t ask Rakuten “How much will git ’er done?” And Rakuten said “X dollars”
??
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Just curious
But couldn’t the A’s backhandedly match the “winning” offer as part of a separate “we’re sharing donation”?
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This would basically make a mockery of the entire posting process
You might as well just have teams openly bidding to sell the rights to their players.
I’m like 99% certain that the Japanese team is not allowed to take a low bid. It’s either the top bid, or keep the player.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Don't tell the trainers.
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Do we have trainers anymore?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, so unfortunately, it looks like Flash was right.
And not only did MLB take down the gameday functionality for the 2009 WBC, but they actually deleted the XML files that contained the PitchFX data. Hopefully, they still exist somewhere on the internet. I’ll poke around, but this is disappointing.
Maybe they took it down because someone criticized it!
Too soon?
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PL78 deleted it?
if that’s the case i wish you guys would resurrect it and take away his thread deleting privileges, as he deleted a ton of comments by other people that he had no right to mess with.
that seems like a weakness in the way sbnation is set up, after a certain number of comments, the author should no longer have the ability to delete a thread, only mods should have that power.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I'd agree with you on this one
Without getting into too much of it, apparently he didn’t like the heat so he got rid of the kitchen.
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I wouldn't care if I hadn't left a useful comment
I was more than a little disappointed because I noticed I had 3 replies, but wasn’t able to view the responses before it was deleted.
Oh well…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bed, I always appreciate your work
Continue to leave useful/un/dis/less useful comments!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Looking at it, you had much more than 3 replies and a lot of good stuff as a result.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Way too many responses and comments to pull that off.
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what was the thread name?
I wonder if google cache has it
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Or just view it
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by DMOAS on Nov 6, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
you guys really did have some good comments over there
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it says "under review"
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well... it was up briefly
But now the host apparently wants to send it through a review process. So by morning it should actually show.
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If you do tell Proud to be your Bud
he’ll get a blue ribbon panel to study it for 20 years.
But seriously, folks....
DMOAS great work as always
But it’s no longer is there!
But I could really care less, I just really wanna know what’s going on with Iwakuma!
You guys don’t have to post exactly what you did previously, I wou;d just love to know how valuable he could be.
Are we looking at Kuroda ability (awesome, IMO), or more 2 or < ability?!?
I don’t expect a bold (haha, I make myself laugh), but just wondering what is expected, and how excited this should make me.
If he’s what I’m hoping we think he is, this could make a really rewarding and/or exciting offseason for Billy boy…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh
Only about 10 of the comments on that thread were about Iwakuma anyway.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Exactly
I could care less.
But it’s people like you that I really do care about.
Any opinion?
I mean, clearly you have one about him, if you were willing to come to this thread.
Upside?
Downside, inside, outside?
Chumbawumba?
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
< cough >
Couldn’t care less.
As for Iwakuma, all I’ve heard is he’s the second best Japanese pitcher. And that’s good enough for me.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
But I also could :)
Thanks grammar police!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
See below
I’m not wildly optimistic. I think he’ll be something like Jon Garland. However, and I can’t believe I’m saying this but I am, Jon Garland actually makes some sense for the A’s right now.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
True. I'm in favor of Jon Garland. He's cheaper than Iwakuma
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
But he's got less upside
Garland is known to be a #4 starter. He is what he is.
Iwakuma might be better or worse than Garland; it’s just that Garland is something like the median projection for him.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I'd rather take the chance on Iwakuma
And he’d bring more interest to the team, which doesn’t hurt right now.
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So he's better than Yabu?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking, to some extent
But if we are actually going to put $16M of this year’s payroll in to a posting fee, then after a contract are we realistically going to have any more money to play with?
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like an awful lot for a #3 starter
I hope his upside is more than that if the A’s sign him to those terms.
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Based on what Beane's said in the past
Are those funds really coming from the same place? (Well, I mean, technically they are, but out of the same budgets)
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This is what I'm not getting.
Do the A’s think the free agent market is going to be that expensive this year, or do they just feel Iwakuma is that good? What’s a reasonable contract for him?
~16 million would really dominate the off season budget, but it could make sense if they see that money better spent next year stateside.
I guess it’s probably just a big sign that the A’s will be aggressive while eliminating Crawford and Werth. They could still do Jones, Ordonez, and Edmonds I suppose (or even 2/3 of the second tier options). It’s going to be very disappointing to me if Rajai is more than a 5th outfielder next year.
I guess if it's over 6 years it's not as bad
Especially if the contract itself is reasonable. If it’s 6 years @ $4M/year, then it’s $40M over 6 years. A lot, but not outrageous if he’s closer to a “front end” SP than a “back end” one.
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yeah. I wouldn't like that.
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The problem is that $16M
pays for “1-6 years” — so if you only sign him for 3 years, you’re paying a heck of a lot per year for him.
Seems like it makes more sense to go after him if you believe he’ll be an effective pitcher when he’s 34. Kuroda was.
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The A's likely would not need to sign him for that long
If they want to reap maximum benefit, they could negotiate for him to NOT get the clause that a lot of Japanese players get, which requires the team to release the player once the contract is up. That way they could, say, sign Iwakuma to 3 years guaranteed and reserve the right to take him to arbitration for the next 3.
Of course, they’d have to guarantee more per-year in those first 3 years to get him to sign off on the deal than they would if it was a straight 3 year deal with no arb years at the end of it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think that would be the better option
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If the team is smart, they'll borrow from future years to finance the purchase
They have plenty of assets; the team is hardly unable to afford the purchase.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
The more this discussion goes on, the less I want this guy
We’re turning cartwheels to sign Joe Blanton?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Now I'm picturing a Japanese Joe Blanton
and I want him again.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Look
This team is not going to win a bid for one of the about 5 free agents who are significantly above average. The market is pathetic this year (not that that’s been a rare occurrence lately). A lot of teams have money. It’s just not happening.
Given that you’re not getting a player you know is good, why not at least spend on someone who might be good, rather than someone who’s known to be average? It’s the same reason the A’s bid heavily on Chapman last year.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 7, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chapman seems to have a lot more
upside than Iwakuma
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
And if there were a more chapman-like option out there
I’m sure the A’s would be bidding on that one instead/too. Though if Chapman winds up a reliever, I’m not so sure he’s really better.
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Then you'd be comparing Joe Blanton
to Randy Myers. Neither’s going to make that much difference to the A’s
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not really sure I see a Blanton comp
But I do see a #3 guy here who with a solid defense in a pitchers park could be a #2ish. Seems more comp to Cahill then anything else.
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Sounds like Joel Pineiro with a little more velocity
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 9, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
If healthy, that's a very good pitcher.
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Interesting
That sounds about right.
Hopefully they’ll do something like this so that, if we in fact sign him and then try to trade for a hitter, a guy with higher salary (such as Wright) is not out of the question because we had already spent that money on Iwakuma…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
How does overpaying for Iwakuma allow us
to get David Wright?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I did not say that at all
I was hoping what PT was saying is correct, in that if we were to pay ~$15M up front for the rights to negotiate with Iwakuma, that money would be seen as spread out over several years, as opposed to looking at that money as being part of this years payroll.
So I was making the assumption that if this were true, then we would still have a good amount of financial resources so that if we were to make a trade for a hitter, our options wouldn’t be limited because we would still have money to work with…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
This statement is a more shocking turn of events
than PT’s warming to Hrod and endorsing his promotion from Sac to the A’s bullpen last May.
I really think deleting a thread like that should be a CGV
Remove the original “owned” text of the FP if you want, but the thread itself shouldn’t be allowed to be deleted like that.
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Yes, to some extent
There are situations where a post should be deleted, but probably not in this case.
As one prone to avoiding too much confrontation, I’ll take the Swiss route on this one…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
OW!!!!!!
You just stabbed me with a corkscrew, a nail file, and a Phillips screwdriver.
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haha
very nice Nico.
Nico nice.
Copyright that one.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I call c with a circle around it!
That may or may not stand up in court.
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Just curious, DMOAS
If you actually have a copy of the whole FP and comments (or maybe that’s not what you were saying), why not repost it as your own FP? Then it lives.
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Eh, I've seen Cindi's recipe for
“Omigod this is the most amazing paella ever — waaaaaay better than Molli’s!!!” It goes on for pages.
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I hope it would be promoted to the FP status
That would be awesome!
by hishnik on Nov 6, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not quite as simple
Looking to see if I can host it though.
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You're throwing it a fricking party?
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I don't see why not?
But my host isn’t showing it live. Which means they may have canceled my account while allowing me continued access, which is weird. And annoying.
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Okay
Here’s the final “original” post.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
The problem is that no one can resurrect it.
It’s gone. And delete privileges (for your own posts) can’t, as far as I know, be taken away. I totally agree people should not be able to, and should not choose to, wash away other people’s comments by deleting their entire thread, but unless I’m mistaken there’s no way to prevent it from happening.
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I suspect it's a simple thing to not allow
But I also suspect there’s a legal issue they’re worried about. Not sure why allowing them to be edited wouldn’t fix that issue, but I’m not the legal expert.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'm not sure which part you're referring to.
What’s the simple thing to not allow? Deleting your own post?
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To not allow someone to delete the post.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Though it may be an issue to set it up for only this site, so I could be wrong about that.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
the tech dudes should set it up like that across every site
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I am a legal expert
I can use the word legal in a variety of sentences.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
surely the tech guys can modify the system so every thread creator loses deleting powers once it hits 50 or so comments
have we ever had this problem before in the 6-7 years AN has been around? and we’ve had hundreds of a-holes posting here (i’m including myself)….
a CGV doesn’t seem harsh enough considering it’s basically just a warning. this dude should be banned, at least temporarily, his actions are unacceptable for a community site that is based around members being able to express their opinions.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
DFA was the first to do it a few weeks ago.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
i never saw that one
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
There were some great conversations in that one which is really too bad
it was a lot bigger loss than this one.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Basically about fandom in the bayarea
Or at least that’s what the conversation became about.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
It was the one about how DFA hates the playoffs,
and also the Giants.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Just note that the two users who have done it are PL78 and DFA
You’d be:
1. Asking me to temporarily ban both
2. Asking me to enforce a rule that doesn’t exist
I’m guessing you don’t actually want me to do either, right? My suggestion is that we add something to the CGs to address this for the future and just accept that it happened now.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
as long as we ban Bed or sirbed I'm cool with it.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I vote sirbed, however continue to allow access from his IP address so that brian## can come back if he wants.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
But I think he should have to use the full handle
briannumbersignnumbersign.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hmm...I am due for a new AN name.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering there was a "warning uproar" as a result of DFA's, you could get away with not doing both
BUT, I think it’s something that should just be added for the future and not make a weird (and possibly biased) precedence.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
if you're asking my opinion, i think it's pretty much the worst thing i've ever seen anyone do here, and i've been around since close to the beginning
it’s basically abuse of mod-level powers by someone who isn’t even a mod.
and it’s like a CGV against everyone who commented in that thread and everyone who was following that thread.
i don’t really care about the rules, that applies just as much to people escaping punishment because there was no rule in place that specifically applied to the fucked up thing that they did (PL) as it does to people who are punished for being a bit rude despite all the positive contributions they make to the site (PT).
i would hope the folks in charge are more concerned with doing what’s right and what’s best for the site.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Nov 6, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wow, are threads people?
Because you are acting like I killed a man. I took down that thread because it turned into a shit on me parade and had absolutely nothing about Iwakuma. Calm down, its just a game.
that wouldn't be a reasonable reaction even if you were the first person to ever get owned in the history of AN
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I'm asking SBN's techies if it's possible
to make it so that users can edit their own fanposts but not delete them. If people are going to act like 3-year olds then we need to put the toys on a higher shelf.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's possible that what's best for the site
is to be concerned with the rules. Not delineating a rule and then punishing someone for breaking it doesn’t foster a lot of goodwill.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
In general it's a nice sentiment
But in practical terms, sometimes people can find a hole in the rules and exploit it to the point that not only does a new rule need to be made, but handing out a punishment for the inciting act becomes necessary. There’s a bit of a catch-all in the rules anyway for that. But while I’m not sure this is the case for this particular action, he did cross so many lines in the span of a few days I could easily see enough CGV violations without using “deleting a post” being one of them.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
is there anything in the community guidelines against beating the crap out of other ANers?
no? wanna go catch a game together sometime?
(this is a joke)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
The whole thing does leave a sour taste in my mouth
Yeah, a large part of it was some of us going at it with the guy, but there was a justification he was refusing to accept and he pushed it with acting like this is all AN does before complaining about not getting the respect he thinks he deserves.
Then, after some actual talk took place about Iwakuma, bam – gone.
Not cool.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Pickles leave a sour taste in my mouth
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sour Patch Kids leave a sour taste in mouth.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I feel like PL78 gets a lot of unjustified ire.
Yeah, he’s factually wrong a lot, but all that really requires as a response is, “Hey, you’re wrong. Here’s why.”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
That's exactly what he received.
Hell, it wasn’t even a real “you’re wrong” so much as a “can you point where it says that.” And he took it has a condemnation of his personal well being and went on the attack. The ire came after a lot (and I mean A LOT) of ire he threw down on several people and the site as a whole.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
That's a fair point,
and I’m not trying to start any fights. And the initial response was fine, but it does often feel like he gets piled on very quickly, is all.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
If he does play for us
I wonder how many million times we’ll butcher his name
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I called him Imakura when I was telling my wife
And I’ve already typed Iwakumara.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I think I'll just call him Fred.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Tsuyoshi Shinjo of the SF Giants
made a request when he came to the Giants, that his name not be screwed up. He said he understood it would be a difficult name for English speakers:
“Just call me Joe Shinjo..”
…..it was ignored. No one ever called him “Joe”.
Officially awaiting the 2011 MLB season
by One won lost won on Nov 7, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
+!
Me too.
And ! was intentional :)
I can only imagine how Ray Fosse will “eloquently” announce him…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
-@
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
PROVE IT
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Ray Fosse does our play by play.
The possibilities are endless.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I think his name means something like Cave
so I suppose one could just call him that.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
How well do Japanese League pitchers' numbers tend to translate to MLB?
The most notable pitcher that comes to mind is Matsuzaka, who pretty much ended up sucking. And looking at his numbers, he too had a great walk rate, but dropped off when he entered MLB.
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Really, from what I've seen, he's a crap shoot
If he’s Hideo Nomo for his first 3 years, I’ll be thrilled……
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm expecting something like Nick Blackburn or mid-career Livan Hernandez
i.e. nothing fabulous, but he’ll eat innings and give you a chance to win.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So...good #3/4
AKA serviceable and worth a spot on a winning team but not deserving of a starting spot in the playoffs?
I’ll take it if it means trading Cahill or Mazzaro to a team with an ERA fetish…..
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
the question is
Assuming Kuroda DOESN’T go back to Japan, would you rather have 2-3 years of him for maybe $16-21M, or 3 years of Iwakuma for potentially $30M+ when you include the contract and post fee?
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Much rather Kuroda
Just because he’s a proven commodity…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
me too
But hey, Iwakuma’s younger and that’s good, too.
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Iwakuma’s injury worries me a bit more than Kuroda’s though….
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Not me
It reads like the injury was affected by mechanics he no longer uses.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Ok, well then that's good.
I just saw he pretty much missed 2 entire seasons and it obviously got me thinking how perfectly he matches up with the A’s…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
It had a naked baby in a pool and revolutionized pop music?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
He made some inferences,
others called him out on posting unsubstantiated rumors, he responded in a variety of ways basically saying we should focus on the topic not the FP, and an angry war broke out. In the interest of not having a repeat, hopefully we can keep the talk of the previous thread limited.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Oh and I think the reason it ultimately is gone is because PL deleted it
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I don't want another CGV, so i will stay but of the delete it altogether thoughts again......
Appreciate the explanation.
what the hell happened to the last thread??
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
*
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
who deleted it and why?
it’s a bit ridiculous for a thread to be deleted after so many comments have been posted in it…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
No idea
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Upthread on this thread, PL78 says he deleted it as our punishment
Nobody ever asks if we want the spanking. I would have taken the spanking. Heck, I would have paid good money for it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well next time you're in need of a spanking, call me
I could use the cash
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Dang, I got your voice mail.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I got enough spankings from watching the Raiders from 2003-2009.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not 100% clear,
but I’d guess PL cause it got off topic and he was offended by the criticism he took for his mistake in the title.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
reposting from above:
if that’s the case i wish you guys would resurrect it and take away his thread deleting privileges, as he deleted a ton of comments by other people that he had no right to mess with.
that seems like a weakness in the way sbnation is set up, after a certain number of comments, the author should no longer have the ability to delete a thread, only mods should have that power.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I have a copy of it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Meh
I was in it, tried to make a post. Couldn’t. Opened another tab, checked, saw what he did. Ironically, I actually tried the “email” option, but apparently the post has to exist for that to work, but the old fashion save function works just as well. Now I’m not really sure I why bothered, but whatever.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I didn't even know you could copy this stuff....I try to forget my posts as soon as I can.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
So is it okay that I like Ken Rosenthal?
of course I like Peter Gammons and Peter King as well.
But seriously, folks....
I'm not too big a fan of Rosenthal
But it’s okay if you like him :)
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I really only dislike two announcers....Joe Morgan (and this was long before Moneyball)
and Phil Simms (total doofus).
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
McCaaaa'va'?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Well......at one time I liked McCarver it's just that he's been saying the same stuff since 1983.
I never liked Morgan or Simms for one second.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, I've been saying the same stuff since 1967
Mostly, “Waaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Maybe McCarver just believes in recycling?
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a #2
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
but #1 in our hearts....well maybe not.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Because he thinks he is *the* #2?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
He thinks?
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Good point.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
What happened to the days that Bob Costas would call the big games in MLB..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Fox.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
HE WAS EATEN BY A FOX???
That’s so sad. ;-(
-Cindi
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I actually don't remember why I don't like Rosenthal.
It was something really bad and I’m pretty sure it was anti-A’s. I think it’s healthy to hold that grudge I can’t remember. right?!
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I sure hope so...I still hate a couple people from elementary school.
I’m looking at you Timmy!
But seriously, folks....
by Bed on Nov 6, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
My names Tim...
this is awkward…
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Seriously
I went to elementary school.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I will say this:
The man consistently breaks more stories than literally anyone else.
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC he's known for breaking stories before they're official in hopes of being the first to report it.
Again that might not be true.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Well if Billy is going after pitchers I guess when we talked about him trading starters
for hitters rather than going for FA hitters we were right about something….is that legal?
But seriously, folks....
I should promote this fanpost to the front page!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
LOL
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I spent AT LEAST 4 minutes writing this.
It’s the least you could do!
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Fangraphs article on Iwakuma
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
"in his home stadium, Kleenex Stadium Miyagi"
That might be even funnier than the Nippon Ham Fighters.
wax on wax off
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I'll bet their Homer Hankies don't last as long.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
They prefer triple tissues anyway.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
They're on a roll.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
There's no crying in baseball!
But here’s a tissue
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
I've been reading in the comments that they use a smaller ball in Japan
Some of the Japanese pitchers that moved to the MLB lost effectiveness on their splitter due to the change in ball size
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
You can't really judge a pitcher by the size of his balls.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Why not?
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
I don't know, ask him.
I’m not the one who filed for a restraining order.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
His name in Japanese symbols is
岩隈久志
Some people are comparing him to Kuroda……if we can get a younger version of Kuroda for a reasonable price (and a good chunk of that price is already paid for in the 2011 budget) this will be a magnificent signing IMO.
幸せな楽しい時間超 !!!!!
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
OK now I don't want to sign him.
I simply don’t have the time to carefully draw “岩隈久志” in the game threads every 5 days. Plus I’m pretty sure that says “Sweet & Sour Chicken,” and that’s a silly name for a pitcher.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I would love to see a game thread with 岩隈久志 in the title
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I just want to know how to type it so I don't have to go find this thread, copy paste it just so I can use it
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
Paste it into a word doc on your desktop
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Or glue it to a doctor on your desk.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
haha
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
A younger Kuroda would be huge!
I’d be so thrilled if this actually happened.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
So would Hiroki's wife!
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Much better than when she learned that his balls really sink.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
His HR/FB would rise for this sinkerballer
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'll repost :)
Thou who hast a substantiated opinion:
DAN, FLASH, DFA, PT, NSJ, etc.
Please give me some sort of scouting report!
I love the 3:1 K:BB rate, what else do we know besides the fact that he’s Cahill 2.0?
Is he for real? Worth the money? Worth trading a SP?
If he’s ours would a Maz or Cahill or Ross + Suzuki trade away from bringing us that power bat we need and covet???
This is making me ecstatic for the offseason, at the very least…
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I've only seen him pitch once in person and he was quite impressive against South Korea
Obviously that’s too small a sample size and the transition from the Japanese league to MLB is a question mark, but I’d say he’s got the potential to do just fine.
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I saw him against North Korea
The Dear Leader pitched a perfect game and struck out 27 while hitting 7 home runs…it was the first time he’d ever played baseball.
But seriously, folks....
I saw him against Antarctica
but the altitude might have been a factor.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So I totally just remembered that I saw him pitch too!!!
This is making me very excited.
I saw the WBC final last year.
I remember being pretty impressed with his control, I think his fastball sat around 92…..
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yes!
I found the PitchFX XML files. I guess they moved them from the /mlb/ subdirectory to the /int/ one. But they’re all there.
Yay!
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
aside from performance-related questions
he’s not as annoying as matsuzaka, is he?
if he takes ten minutes between pitches and refuses to throw strikes, i will refuse to watch.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
From Wikipedia
Mechanics
Iwakuma is a lanky 190 cm (6 ft 3 in), 77 kg (170 lb) right-hander with a three-quarters delivery. He was well-known for his unique pitching motion during his years with the Buffaloes, letting his throwing arm hang at his side while he raised his left leg, lowered it halfway once, then raised it again before driving towards the plate. He was forced to overhaul his mechanics and implement a more orthodox delivery when the NPB changed its rules on pitching motions in the 2005 off-season, taking a stricter stance on so-called two-stage motions (those with pauses or breaks at any point in the delivery).21 Iwakuma also raised his arm slot slightly in 2008 to induce more movement in his offspeed pitches.
ZOMG!!!
His fastball gets up to 153!!!!! I was so excited I didn’t bother to look at the units and just had to tell you guys!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, Japan is metric
America still uses rods and hogs heads to measure.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
rebel scum
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
I like this Iwakuma guy
but um..Can we just keep him and Kouz? Kthanx
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
those things itch like hell
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
only 20 seconds?
You need more experience
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
you're supposed to give the oysters to the woman
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
sneaky sneaky
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
bbbbb but
I have an irrational love for him and respectfully decline your cure
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Someones gotta look good doing it
Might as well be him (all the time)
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I take it you did not
do the winning on your golf trip?
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
2AM local, goes back to 1AM
There will be two 1 AMs tonight!
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
OH
THATS why everyone went to the bar…extra hour
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
yes
And, beer.
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No no
we have been QUITE sophisticated tonight. All Champagne…oh wait.. this isnt the CT thread
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
aren't you 18?
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 6, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Didnt SAY I had any right?
:)
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Oh, Congrats
we should have a 20 year renewing of your 18th party next year
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Oh....I feel old
Wow my 20th HS reunion will be next year….(shoots himself)
But seriously, folks....
LOL
At least you get to brag about how awesomely awesome and bloggy you are
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
I think we should make a
counter on how many times Bed will shoot himself tonight
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
Depends on how good his aim is
You know the eyes go and the hands start shaking in old age.
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Rocky and Bullwinkle?
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Ouch!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
when are we going to find out which team put in the highest bid?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
this thread is starting to bore me... okay travdog you can delete this now!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
PROVE IT!
My new catchphrase.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 6, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
cool, bring me back a Burgermeister Meisterburger
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Wooo....freaky....my clock went from 1:59 to 1:00...far out, man.
maybe now I’ll get to make right all my mistakes from the past. I won’t eat that Thai food in Cleveland….I will buy stock in Microsoft in early 90’s….I’ll check for an adam’s apple this time.
But seriously, folks....
I love this daylight savings
An extra hour of partying is the greatest thing ever
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
mcgehee posible trade to oakland
Last month, I posted a blog about the possibility of the a’s trying to acquire casey during the offseason.
by athleticsperson01 on Nov 7, 2010 12:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He's not enough of an improvement to be worth a significant trade
Guaranteed to give you a – UZR (even if minimal) and a switch in leagues, etc. means he’s not gonna be anything more than +1 win max.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
unless someone wants Kouz as the final piece in a big trade....
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying something like Fielder + McGahee?
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Fielder and McGehee for Cahill, Ziegler, Kouzmanoff and Mazzaro
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't want to lose both Cahill and Mazzaro
And I think that’s a huge overpay for one year of DH Fielder…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I'm not in favor of it.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Whom do you play where?
Sounds like Cust or Barton is out of a job, and that the defense suffers greatly.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's not my hope, it's more a guess as to what Beane might be thinking.
It was a response to stranahanahan and cuppingmaster. I’m fine with keeping Cust and trading to improve the 2 corner OF spots or signing Crawford. and trading for another OF.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Kouz + 3 pitchers (Maz, Ross, Braden)
For McGhee and Braun, maybe?
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 7, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
Braun’s not going anywhere (except maybe 1B after Fielder leaves).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I'd love a link if you have one!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like the Eagles have until 12:00 noon on the 11th (Japan time) to accept the winning bid
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Oops
Until the 12th in Japan, 11th in America. No time specified.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
one would think you had the time thing sorted out by now
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
The Japanese papers are saying that Robothal's indicating that the A's gave the highest bid.
But I don’t think they have any more info than we do right now. They’re just quoting Rosenthal.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
those japanese papers have since been deleted
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
This is me NOT making a joke about
the author being PR78, because I’d probably get two flags for that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm hoping PR78 is Paul Robeson
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I thought this said "A's taking a shot of Iwakuma'
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
Anti-Geren Shot
We need a truckload of those.
by Oakland All-Star on Nov 7, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I deleted it because there was 90% off-topic.
At least this one is sort of back on track, but wow, some of you are really out of line with your comments in here, “most fucked up thing ever on here”? Oh whats wrong, it got taken down before you could jump in and get your kicks in on me? Poor you. Wait, there’s the problem I have with this site again: instead of letting posters have some kind of leeway and the stone cold fact that no one is ever 100% right and this is an opinion site, a large vocal minority chooses to ruin threads by putting the spotlight on the poster, when it needs to be 100% about the A’s at all times. That’s why I came here, to post about the A’s and that’s what I did with that thread.
I will start posts when I feel like but if they did not contain a ton of research or anything I see no issue in taking it down if it turns into nit picking petty argument bitchfests. LET THINGS SLIDE IF ITS NOT HUGELY IMPORTANT. If I say “Matsui had a higher OPS last year than Cust” then yes, you can point to the stats and say “thats very wrong” but if you are going to focus on the excruciating minutiae of leaving out one word, then you deserve what you get.
I thought there was a measure a few months back to make AN less like this and more attractive to the casual reader or passer-by? Like no more swearing and to make corrections without sounding like the person just committed genocide. Guess that didnt last huh?
The worst thing, by far, that anyone has done here in the last 24 hours
is you deleting your fanpost and taking other people’s comments with it. Your “one word” argument doesn’t work. Here’s an example: “I am going to kill you.” Oh sorry, I left out the word “not” in the previous sentence.
The one word mattered a lot in your headline — it made it a problematic headline that needed fixing. The wisest thing you could possibly do right now is to just apologize for erasing other people’s comments, and then turn your focus to discussing Iwakuma.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Understood
I apologize to anyone who did the right thing and ignored whatever minor details were left out of the subject line and went straight to the topic of Iwakuma instead turning it into a total mess/character assassination. To anyone who posted genuine thoughts on the matter: you have my humblest apology.
Ignoring key details is not "the right thing"
For God’s sake, why do you not get this? Ignoring key details makes conversations stupid.
I can’t speak for others, but I will absolutely continue to go through your posts with a fine-toothed comb for inaccuracies, given your unrepentant attitude towards the concept of “facts.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I have no problem with that.
Seeing as its like, 2% of my posts that you do that to, I’m not sweating anything.
One thing: Can you give me a rundown of everything I have to do before posting to please the lord and savior PT? Im serious. I wouldnt want natural conversation to ever happen here again. Lets turn AN into AP and run a fine tooth comb over casual conversation….thats the difference between me and you, I’m casual, you arent. Neither is right or wrong, but if one wants to be annoying to the other they can be.
by PL78 on Nov 7, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just be glad we're not LL
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
LOL at this
I will absolutely continue to go through your posts with a fine-toothed comb for inaccuracies, given your unrepentant attitude towards the concept of "facts."
Is this what you thought you’d be doing with yourself? Nitpicking conversation points on a message board? Get a life, none of this is all that important as you make it.
As I've said to others in the past,
it may be that I am wasting my time, but if so, that’s your hard luck.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You're spending just as much time as others on here.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Yeah, I won't do that. I'll basically ignore them instead since he's lost any sort of credibility he might have had before.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Wow... okay, I'll say it. You're an *****.
The original comment, mine, was a completely innocent request for you to clarify facts so that we can have a useful conversation about what’s really going on and not about what’s not going on. Instead you got all pissy about it and derailed your own thread by either acknowledging your error and taking 10 seconds to fix it like 100+ people have done in the past when the same thing occurred OR point out the details that I missed at which point I’d have checked it out and responded with a “oh, cool. yay A’s!” and we’d have ALL moved on. Instead you continue to show a blatant disregard for the rest of the community and are acting like a victim with an AN equivalent of an “I’m taking my ball and going home” mentality. And quite frankly this sort of baiting and disrespect to the community (along with the baiting and disrespect you pulled on the original thread) is really getting tiresome. But I see you don’t care so why don’t you just STFU about it instead of continuing to try to defend and indefensible action.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Think Miss Piggy in a bad mood.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Violent porker?
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 9, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of like how you lob out the "nerds," "jerks" and "douchebags" comments toward the people who disagree with you and your attitude?
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Heh.
Anyone that disagrees with me is a jerk and a douchebag. I won’t name them specifically, so that’s cool, right?
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
everyone whose username ends in "78"
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
DMOAS you have hated on me for years
to the point of anything you post about me could be trolling. Get a life.
Maybe you're the one who should get the life, since you just can't stop crying
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I've barely spoken to you and I'm not sure you can show me as "hating" on anyone around here.
So I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about, but kudos on derailing yet another thread here. Baiting, personal attacks in two threads about the same topic in less than 24 hours. I think you’ve set a new record around here. Way to go.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Nope. And I dont care to.
I LOVE THE OAKLAND A’s!!! That’s all that matters to me. Lets talk about the A’s. What do you think about them? That’s why I’m here, fuck anyone who wants to turn it into anything else or make it out into something bigger than it really is.
Just.
Talk.
Baseball.
please.
If you don't get it I'll explain it in simple words.
You lied.
People don’t like or trust liars. They don’t want to talk to liars.
If you want to talk about baseball, you can’t be someone people don’t want to talk to.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Now thats character assassination!
Im a liar now? You people are absolutely insane. Please stop. I am not a liar. All I said was that the A’s had outbid the Rangers for a FA according to how I interpreted a Rosenthal tweet. Can we get any more pedantic than this? Holy christ this is totally absurd…..
Further proof of your powers of interpretation
I said you lied.
I said people don’t like liars.
I never called you a liar.
Yet you interpretted it as such, in a way amazingly similar to how your now deleted post distorted the point of the original Iwakuma story.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's amazing to me that at no point in this 1 vs. AN argument have you considered
that maybe, just maybe, the other 23984839 against you might have a point.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Hell
Usually by now SOMEONE would be defending him if there were any sign that he was right or even had a point.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
He didn't lie
He unintentionally, and a bit recklessly, misrepresented facts. The bigger problem was his reaction to it being pointed out and taking that as criticism when it wasn’t.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's funny that you're the only person he accepted that explantion from when others also gave it in what was a civil fashion at first
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Not true at all
Both myself and at least one other person very calmly explained to you how using “may” would have greatly clarified things, especially for people who only read headlines, and you refused to listen.
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Bullshit
My original response to you:
Where are you getting that the A’s outbid the Rangers? All I’ve seen is that the Mariners are the favorite and that the Rangers may have bid too low. The A’s could have very well bid even lower for all we know.
How was that not civil? How was that being a dick about it? I asked you a question. I then stated what I read. I gave an alternative view to what you posted as fact. Nothing more. No animosity.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Look, there are two attempts in this exchange
where he is trying to say “sorry” — sure you can pick apart the words in those too, but why not accept and move on? When someone tries to apologize is the time to accept and move on.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
"Trying"???
I’m sorry. I’ll try not to make the same mistake next time. My bad. You’re right.
Pretty freakin’ simple. Not sure how someone could “try” and fail to make an apology.
The monster at the end of this blog.
"Trying" meaning it's not being well received,
i.e., not being successful. “I’ll try not to do it in future” is pretty much what you’re asking for — and that’s what we got in attempt #2.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Scroll up a few comments:
“This.
and i’ll try to not do it again in future."
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You mean when you patted him on the head and told him it wasn't his fault?
So gracious of PL78 to accept responsbility.
You had to step in and edit the guy’s post because the headline was so screwed up. If that doesn’t call for an actual, unabashed apology than nothing does.
The monster at the end of this blog.
What I said was,
“He unintentionally, and a bit recklessly, misrepresented facts. The bigger problem was his reaction to it being pointed out and taking that as criticism when it wasn’t.”
He replied, "This, and i’ll try to not do it again in future."
If it’s true that some people don’t know how to apologize, it’s also true that some people don’t know how to accept an apology. I see both in evidence on this very thread.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, and you had to edit the post he deleted because he refused to
And I don’t think the apology is mine to accept since he wasn’t apologizing to me or anyone else he got into it with.
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And then AFTER that
are the apologies I’m talking about. This is a very common theme on AN over the years: Someone does something wrong, and then later if they acknowledge or apologize they’re still skewered for “But you did something wrong before!” and those wrongs are brought up, referred to, linked, for years — instead of saying, “Thank you for apologizing. Today’s a new day; let’s see how things go from today forward.”
We make it harder for people to change, and give them less motivation to change, if we won’t let them move forward and we just keeping focusing on what they did wrong before. Accept contrition no matter how prideful or delayed the content might be, and move on.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Making it harder for people to change?
You excused PL78’s behavior and actions before he posted his “legitimate” apology. How are you encouraging change by brushing aside an act that PL78 has done often? Yesterday was not the first time he distorted facts to fit into a post; although to my knowledge it was the first time someone had to step in and actually edit his work for the sake of the site.
You essentially wrote his apology, notarized it and then asked him to sign at the X. But since you’re so compromising, I’m sure you’ll excuse the rest of us who would have aprreciated an apology with more substance.
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No I didn't ever excuse his behavior, actually.
From the git go, I said he was the one in the wrong. Look it up (if you can!).
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So you excused the actions
And expect everyone to forget about the attitude. The same attitude that he carried over today.
Someone does something wrong, and then later if they acknowledge or apologize they’re still skewered for "But you did something wrong before!" and those wrongs are brought up, referred to, linked, for years — instead of saying, "Thank you for apologizing. Today’s a new day; let’s see how things go from today forward."
A real apology should cover both the act and the behavior. Your attempts to say that PL78’s half-hearted (at best) effort qualifies as a sincere apology comes across as you excusing his behavior as well. Behavior which appears likely to continue based on repeated comments in this thread.
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I'm not saying forget the attitude,
or that it qualifies as a full sincere apology; I’m saying accept that’s the best he can do right now and move on. You don’t help someone deal better with a persecution complex by further attacking them!
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"I’m saying accept that’s the best he can do right now and move on."
I don’t believe it’s the best he can do right now at all. It’s the best he wants to do, nothing more.
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I guess that's where we disagree
I think it’s probably the best he can do right now.
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And if that's the case
I’d argue that the best he can do is unacceptable for this site. The best he can do is only going to continue to bait and attack members of this site and continue to derail future posts as well.
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Baiting and attacking
This isn’t rare. I can’t help but wonder if its more about his opinions than the way he expresses them.
No, it's the way he attacks when his opinions get countered.
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Well, as long as you're setting the bar nice and low
AN… now accepting mediocrity!
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We've accepted mediocrity for a LONG time.
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by Nico on Nov 7, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
(Meaning it comes with the territory)
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I sure don't decide who comes and goes
and why.
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No... you just create the environment were mediocrity is accepted
Because nothing encourages creativity and learning like a shrug from the guy in charge.
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Woo hoo!
Bring back Reztips and Oaktoon!!! Woooooo!!!
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That's all well and good, except it doesn't really fit the way he's handled himself about this at all
What makes him less likely to change is him going on about how nobody here respects him, how he’s not a paid journalist so why should he care about accuracy (or it’s okay to be inaccurate because hot stove rumors are inaccurate all the time), etc.
There’s nothing wrong with some of us pushing for a headline to actually reflect the current reality. He didn’t think he was wrong to word it the way he did because he thought it was right based on his interpretation. That’s fine, but when it’s explained how it may be detrimental to the site to present something like that, the reaction was basically “I don’t care, it’s a minor detail and I can write it however I want.”
That then led into the shitstorm it turned into with him helping keep it going every step of the way by whining about how nobody here ever promotes a post of his to the front page even if SBN Bay Area features one of them, how we’re all idiots, jerks, nerds and douchebags (without naming us specifically) for caring about this, and how little he cared about it in spite of acting otherwise. That’s pretty much the act of a troll to me.
So, pardon me if, in his apology, he only directs it to the people who were just there to talk about Iwakuma. I don’t see a problem with people trying to hold AN to certain standards when it comes to reporting news accurately, but every step of the way he came up with an excuse to justify why he shouldn’t have to listen – only changing at all when you said anything while continuing to decry what he thinks AN’s turned into.
And yeah – maybe some people get less leeway than others, but in cases like this it’s easy to see why. He feeds into the reactions he gets and all but encourages them.
If he wants the benefit of the doubt, maybe he can stop doing that.
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Edit
So, pardon me if, in his apology, he only directs it to the people who were just there to talk about Iwakuma and some of us don’t accept it at face value.
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All of this writing.....about me!
tl, dr but wow can you please let it go? This will be my final post in this thread. I sincerely do apologize to anyone who did research and work in the thread I deleted. And I am sorry, for real, truly. (no sarcasm, 100% real).
I still have no idea how AN makes this into something it isnt. JUST LET IT GO, LET IT SLIDE. THINGS LIKE THESE ARE NOT WORTH FIGHTING OVER. There, that’s my point and thats my vibe and thats how I am. Take it or ignore me….you have options.
I’ll see you guys in the other threads, I’m not typically vindictive or petty, so my opinion of everyone really has not changed. Tomorrow is a new day, I’ll see you out there.
Quite frankly
Both times he made the apology, he made it both half-assed, not to the people he owed the apology too AND with an underlying personal attack.
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I agree they weren't the best apologies
I chose to focus on the part where at least “apology” was finally in the equation.
I’ve had plenty of conversations with kids where they say, “I didn’t take the candy … but can I replace it? … And it won’t happen again.” I don’t say, “Admit it — you DID take the candy!!!” I say, “Great, thanks,” and let them walk away with their pride intact and the message received.
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That's not our point Nico.
The “apology” was backhanded and laced with a personal attack. And quite frankly, I’m insulted by the notion that I should “accept” it “just cause” or that I’m somehow in the wrong for expecting more. PL78’s now laced personal attacks and baiting over two threads now and an apology that basically says “Fuck you” to those people is far from acceptable behavior around here. He’s not a child here and he knows what he’s doing.
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I see what you're saying
I guess I read the second one very differently than you guys do. I read it as saying, “Nico puts it in a way that resonates with me; I get it now and I’ll try to do better in the future.” I don’t see it as being directed only at me or being half-assed. Maybe I’m wrong. Did DFA ever come that close to acknowledging that anything he did (in deleting his fanpost) was wrong? If so, I missed it (which I could have).
I’ve asked SBN, by the way, about taking away the ability to delete a fanpost. I’ll keep you posted.
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DFA never really acknowledged what he did was wrong
And while he did eventually provide and an explanation for it (one that I personally accepted as reasonable even if I didn’t accept the actual action as reasonable while others didn’t accept either), he did continue to discuss the matter without resorting to inappropriate behavior and at no point during that time did he do anything CGV worthy even when occasionally provoked by other members.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Honestly, I think you and FF might just be
making more of my initial comment than I intended. All I was trying to say was that at the point PL said, “I’ll try to do better in the future” was a good “right time” to just let it go and move forward. I’ve never tried to defend his behaviors; quite the opposite, actually, each time I’ve commented on those.
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I don't really have a problem with his "I'll try to do better" comment
I have the problem with the original “Sorry, but only to certain people” apology.
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Yes -- I would agree that didn't help.
I should have, in my initial comment, only focused on the second one. The first one was a cesspool of suck in lame sauce.
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Right
I’ll be the first to admit my own stubbornness and willingness to carry a fight on longer than it ought to go when I’m convinced I’m right (like the whole thing last night and today has been) but I like to think I can give a real apology when it’s warranted and mean it.
A week or so back I went after PT with a ‘typical lawyer’ comment and after thinking about it a few minutes I apologized outright because it wasn’t something I should have said.
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Hey at least he didn't make a claim he can't back up.
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by travdog6 on Nov 7, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't he?
I thought PL was the person who wrote on here that he was 14. Not even trying to be mean. I really thought PL was 14.
Pretty sure the 78 is his birth year. But I'm only guessing on that.
Do recall that he’s an actor of some sort.
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An actor?
Dude, it’s Brad Pitt.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
You're thinking of Optimist Prime.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And to use your analogy of the kid
It’s like a kid accidentally (and genuinely accidentally) trips someone. You suggest that it would be polite to help them up. They bitch and moan about it. And instead of helping that person up, the kid kicks them. You tell them that wasn’t cool. They raise the stakes and grab a candy bar and run out the door. You catch up to him in the street and THEN your conversation takes places, only the apology is to the people in the store, not to you, not to the person he accidentally tripped in the first place. Then the kid spots the person who was tripped and tackles them and starts taking swings at them.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I guess I think physical violence and shoplifting
are different from being pig-headed and immature on the internet.
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Just an analogy
It was more about the progression of the behavior. Each time he could have stepped up and corrected the behavior, but instead chose to ramp it up with something worse.
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Yes. Were I him, I would probably
not bring the transcripts of these threads to my next job interview.
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Depends on the job?
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True. For example,
if the job were “office assistant” I might bring several copies of the transcript just to show I could make good xerox copies.
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Luckily we have a print thread feature now!
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Doesn't work when the thread is deleted.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I thought there was a measure a few months back to make AN less like this and more attractive to the casual reader or passer-by? Like no more swearing and to make corrections without sounding like the person just committed genocide.
I think excessive sweaing is a bad idea, but the rest of it is interesting. I think the place is degrading into Draysbay II. Here, like there, making a “correction” is asserting the absolute certainty of measures or methodologies.
Did anyone say this?
most fucked up thing ever on here
I looked through the thread again and didn’t see it.
Also, the post your referring to never said this.
Matsui had a higher OPS last year than Cust
So again, your case is different.
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Someone did, at some point.
Tempers flared and proportions were almost entirely blown out on a number of occasions.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
Love this but wouldn't trade for McGehee
As many commenters have said, he’s not a significant upgrade. Just keep Kouz and get a corner OF. Trade Cahill for a really good one if you have to. (Cahill+something for Rasmus? Is that idea played out?)
Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here.
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It is no upgrade whatsoever. But, that doesn’t mean we have to keep Kouz. Best case scenario = Beltre comes over.
by Oakland All-Star on Nov 7, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
I thought this was a good idea at first
But based on the year he just had, someone is going to offer him way too much. I’d rather see the Angels give him a 4/60 deal or something crazy like that.
Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here.
by thelincolndude on Nov 7, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Me too, since that would probably take them out of the Crawford bidding
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Mets New GM+ a 3B on the block...
So now, clearly, the A’s are looking to the trade market for their bat(s).
I’ve heard that the Mets have considered trading David Wright (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2010-10-05/mets-exec-explains-trade-comment-to-david-wright). That article mentions the ’Met’s new GM’ would at least listen to offers.
The Mets’ new GM is now, of course, Sandy Alderson—-Beane’s mentor.
McGehee would be an interesting chip (though I’d rather the A’s aim for Gamel if dealing w/ Brewers), but having a solid 3B like Wright (who actually slugged higher in the pitching fortress that is Citi Field than on the road in ’10) would be pretty great. And, I think, workable.
Wow, Wright's career numbers
against LHP are awesome: .348/.435/.606 (1.041 OPS). And he’s no slouch against RHPs either!
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He's pretty much just awesome, period
Though actually, his glove has really fallen apart the last few years. I wonder if a move to the outfield is in his future.
Hey, I know a team that needs an outfielder! (Though, it almost certainly hasn’t got the chips to acquire him.)
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Sour Cream and Onion Pringles won't get it done?
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They used to taste so much better when they didn't just use artificial flavoring
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Who cares
You can flip them over, put them in your mouth, and all of the sudden, you’ve got a duck beak!
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Your tastes may have changed.
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No, they were definitely different up to a point
Still tasty, but I remember a much more obvious, well, sour cream and onion taste to them.
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Why use non-artificial flavoring
when you’re using artificial potatoes?
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
The defensive problems boggle me
I mean, he was AMAZING at 3rd a few years ago…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
His highest UZR was +6 in 2007. His highest 3 year UZR average was +2
I don’t think he was ever “amazing”….more like competent
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm...
I thought it was higher.
And it looks like BBR has never really liked his defense…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
So, THIS is what you guys decided to do with your extra hour today?
It’s emasturbation: a mildly entertaining but ultimately unproductive investment in fantasy.
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I had nothing better to do this weekend since I'm laid up with back spasms and couldn't go out.
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So was the point of this thread to re-hash That. Which. No. Longer. Exists?
Or to talk about Iwakuma?
Because if it’s the latter…
MLBTR is saying that Rakuten is going to accept the highest bid. The language is such that they might have received a bid of $16 million, which is what they were hoping for. USS Mariner suggested that the M’s bid was around $13 million. Rosenthal also implied that the A’s outbid the Rangers. We haven’t heard of a 4th team in the mix.
Therefore, if the Nikkan Sports report is accurate and the winning bid is over $16 million and the USS Mariner rumor of a $13 million Seattle bid is also true; then there seems a good chance Iwakuma and the A’s are going to be talking soon.
The monster at the end of this blog.
"A good chance"...
…ITS A DONE DEEL!!!!!!!!
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It would be pretty amusing if the A's in fact put in the highest bid
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's very likely, actually
It’s just not “true” yet.
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Right, but I'm already amused
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, 16m
So is this money that would translate into a contract to play for the A’s, or is it just for the player’s team that he would be leaving?
Excuse the ignorance, I have no idea how the posting process works.
The posting fee goes to the player's Japanese team
But that only happens if the MLB team and the player agree on a contract. If the two sides can’t reach a deal than the player goes back to his Japanese team and the MLB team isn’t out the posting fee.
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Wow, if we actually do sign Iwakuma, then props to Beane.
He seemed pretty adamant of the fact that we would have trouble getting FAs to come here.
So what does he do? Get one in the one place that we don’t really have much disadvantage, all we have to do is give the most money.
This could be a very exciting offseason…
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Yes, I'd like it too
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Is there word on what kind of contract would likely get a deal done?
How many years and how much/year, above the $16M paid to the team?
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Kuroda got 3 years $35 million
I’d imagine it’s gotta be at least $8 million per year
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
So if it were a 4-year deal,
it would come out to $12M/year when you add the posting fee. For a #3 starter, that sounds not good at all. For a #2 starter, now we’re talking…
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So the question is....how good is this Kuroda character?
Which is what this thread should have been about in the first place
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Kuroda's good.
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And by Kuroda I meant Iwakuma of course
BTW if we’re paying $12 million per year, why not spend it on Kuroda?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Age, injury concerns, signability....
I would love Kuroda, but getting Iwakuma is a much easier process and less of a headache than just about any other FA…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he's more convenient, but I'm not excited by spending $12 million per
year on someone we hope is Joe Blanton
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Which Joe Blanton?
the ‘06-’07 version is worth good money…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
The guy that averages 3 WAR per 200 innings for his career
Except this guy doesn’t even have Joe’s legendary durability. A 3 WAR pitcher is about a 1 WAR upgrade on Mazzaro. Why not spend the $12 million/year towards a 4 WAR upgrade in the corner OF?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't the idea behind this signing to ultimately upgrade the COF
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It's possible there some brilliant plan I'm not seeing
But all I’ve heard so far is Iwakuma and McGehee and I’m not impressed
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
McGehee may not be an actual target
I kind of doubt that he is (unless it’s believed he can play a decent COF).
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It seemed like Rosenthal was stretching on that one to me.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Even if he can, he's no better than Sweeney
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Likewise, but I doubt (ok not really) that the A's would bank on something like that.
I also hope and think it’s very possible that we as a whole are underrating Iwakuma. He’s been called the #2 pitcher out of Japan, hopefully he has a higher ceiling and is capable of more than we’re imagining.
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I do trust the A's to know pitching
If they spend that kind of money, I’m assuming it means they believe he can be a #2 starter in the USA.
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Iwakuma 2008-2010 Average Season:
191 IP, 0.5 HR/9, 6.8 K/9, 1.8 BB/9
This doesn’t excite me
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
3:1 K:BB rate
innings eater and not prone to the longball.
That’s actually pretty damn good.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Also, most of the pitchers out of Japan have a huge advantage their first couple years
I believe it’s much harder for hitters to figure them out over here because of the odd deliveries.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like a good possibility to be another Cahill
Using the Coli’s pitcher friendliness and good defense to make his pretty good numbers significantly better.
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Can't we use the Coli's friendliness on someone cheaper and/or better?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Who?
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Jon Garland, Kevin Correia, Josh Outman
Vince Mazzaro, Bobby Cramer. All these guys are cheaper.
Better would be someone like Kuroda
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
McGahee was a Rosenthal speculation
Likely there is little to no actual validity in that connection.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope not
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Last time I checked, Mazzaro was not a 2 WAR pitcher
And to answer your question specifically, the reason you would spend the $12M on Iwakuma instead of directly on an outfielder is that you feel the auction costs (i.e. the winner’s curse) of bidding on free agents, and the Shithole Tax of Oakland, are a higher price to pay than the transaction costs involved in making two deals instead of one.
Neither situation is optimal, but it’s certainly not obvious that one set of extra costs is worse than the other.
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Maybe there's this, too
In some way, they could actually have a better chance in a sealed bid process like this than trying to just lure some random quality FA to Oakland?
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Is Iwakuma actually "quality" though?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Then why only 6.8 K/9 in the Pacific League?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
He's a sinkerball pitcher with a very low walk rate
You’d have to be insanely good (and whatever else we can say about him, he’s probably not on that level) to post a really high K rate when you’re throwing that many sinking fastballs in the zone.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So he's Joe Blanton?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Blanton more of fly ball pitcher?
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I think you should move away from the Blanton comp
His K:BB rate is a little worse and he gave up over 1 HR/9 every season but his 2 best…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
CHONE has him at 19 PRAR
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
The same projection has Lenny DiNardo at 18 PRAR
I’m not really comfortable relying on it when, among other things, Mazzaro just posted a goose egg in 2010.
I don’t generally get a lot out of computer-generated pitching projections.
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Time out
You’re pro-CHONE with hitters and anti-CHONE with pitchers? If you can’t trust the metric in total then how can you trust it at all?
The monster at the end of this blog.
Pitching and hitting are pretty different...
Pitchers are much more difficult to project.
Projection systems tend to project all veteran pitchers as average and all young pitchers as crappy, because that way they tend to be right more often in the aggregate. Which is not false, but it tells you little about the individual.
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Lenny had a major injury that CHONE doesn't account for
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'm cautiously optimistic.
I can’t say I’m in love with (potentially) $16 Million plus whatever the actual contract turns out to be unless there’s also some type of move to shore up the offense.
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There will be
The A’s have even said so explicitly (which actually kind of surprised me) — that adding a SP would allow them to trade SPing for a good hitter.
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In which case I will reserve the right to wait until this series of moves is complete
before I complain and/or get excited at whatever this offseason has in store
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna be excited regardless...
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Part of me wants to believe that Billy/Forst already have something in the works
along the lines of “OK, if we win the bid on Iwakuma, then we have a deal to trade $PITCHER for $HITTER” with some team.
I’d really hate to think they haven’t been kicking tires on whichever hitters they’ve thought about already.
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I imagine they have a perpetual board
of players they want when available. Kotsay and (unfortunately) Conor Jackson appear to be two of them who were followed for years.
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$HITTER?
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Is that like a Monopoly piece?
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I was thinking exactly the same thing!
I could see a deal with Iwakuma being announced, and a big trade within hours of one another…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still a little confused regarding international FAs/Japanese imports
Here’s how I understand it: if the A’s win the bid, they have control of Iwakuma for six years. Basically that means the winning team has three options: give Iwakuma a six year deal (or longer), give him an out clause in the deal negating the six years of club control, or go to arbitration after the deal expires. Now if he goes to the minors, he gains an extra year of control (assuming there’s no out clause) like any other rookie.
Can anybody verify/clarify?
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That's basically right
But for the most part Japanese FA’s almost always write in a clause to become a FA after the initial contract is up if it’s shorter than 6 years.
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Here's about a 2-minute video
I think you get a good sense of his motion and mechanics. Halfway through (in the Osaka uniform) you can see what I’m assuming is the older delivery he went away from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d3t27GaLsA
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I was watching another one from a crowd angle during a first round game and he didn't waste much time on the hill
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Sadly that's one of my biggest concerns about signing him.
I’m selfish, I want a guy that works fast!
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I know
I think you or Mike or someone else (that should cover me) mentioned it before the delete last night.
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Wasn't me, I've never seen the guy pitch before.
Does anybody have any info about his previous workload, etc in Japan?
The way that some of the Japanese starters have fallen apart (Nomo, Matsuzaka) and the recent articles about the huge pitch counts that Yu Darvish has seen, it’s another reason that I’m a bit skeptical of these kinda signings.
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If nothing else, a big money FA pitcher signing is generally a bad idea unless
we’re talking about a future HOF — Clemens, Maddux, Smoltz….
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken most of these guys pitch once a week, which is presumably part of higher pitch counts
I’m pretty sure that was one of the things that Matsuzaka had to adjust to but he seemed all right before things started going south fast.
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Yeah, he wasn't an unmitigated disaster for Boston
He was quite good and then he was ok and then he sucked.
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I recall reading something in the past year or two about the Red Sox wanting to change his workout regimen...
…and that leading to some problems. Not sure how valid that was.
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I never liked him much
I always felt he didn’t throw enough strikes. But he did put together a couple very good seasons when the Red Sox were very competitive.
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He's a nibbler all right. Really annoying to watch.
Unlike Henry, who genuinely tries to throw the ball somewhere near the plate.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
No argument there
That’s one thing it looks like Iwakuma is much better at.
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From what I read last night about him
He pitched once a week, averaging about 107 or so pitches a start. I’ve been hearing that the MLB season is much more demanding than the Japanese one.
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every pitcher should learn from Mark Mulder
Anytime he pitched, I knew the game would be less than 3 hours…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
I wanna say he pitched a complete game around 2005 that was something like 1 hour 54 minutes or something like that…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
Was that the night?
I seem to recall the 2 of them having a couple of duels that were shorter than some of my meals…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Pablo Sandoval?
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There was a Joe Blanton-Carlos Silva game where that happened too, IIRC
A’s won 1-0 in something like an hour and 50 minutes.
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And yet I'm glad we didn't sign him as a big money FA
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 7, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I like the downward movement on his pitches a lot
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Go to about the 2:30 mark to see some of Iwakuma against South Korea in last year's WBC final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAElcBo297o
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Im too lazy to have read if someone else has posted this..
..but Isnt anyone else concerned with his injury past? Shoulder problems in 05-07. Plus with my 2 cents of youtube vids I can see that he has an Inverted W in his pitching mechanics ala Mark Prior any moment now. If you dont know what that is plz google i dont care to explain.
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Well. Crap.
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by Nico on Nov 7, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How does it look here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Z3XpqWjWA
And his injury came while pitching with a different delivery.
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Yeah
If you look at about 20-21 sec. he does have an Inverted W. While it wasn’t as dramatic as Mark Prior its still there.
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by David Journey on Nov 7, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Not really seeing it.
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I didn't really see it either
It’s definitely not a Prior, Ross, etc.
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Nope, not seeing it.
0:36 on the youtube video Flashfire posted: completely different and normal motion—-doesn’t look like Prior or any spawn-child of that inverted W delivery.
It's really difficult to see anything delivery-related from that angle.
Much better to see it from a TV-style angle, that way you can really see the elbows in the case of an inverted-W.
What kind of shoulder problems are we talking about?
Those are pretty much the worst kind of injuries for pitchers…
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This section talks about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisashi_Iwakuma#2005-2007:_Rakuten_and_Injury_Woes
It appears to be stuff that’s been corrected, both in terms of the injury and any mechanics.
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The inverted w?
Oh you mean this:
(Don Drysdale, 3432 career innings including 10 straight years of at least 239.)
Or this:
(CC Sabathia, 2000 innings before age 30.)
Or this:
(Do I really need to say anything about Tom Glavine’s durability?)
As with many things about pitching, and especially pitching injuries, I’ll wait until I see something other than some random guy (who the crap is Chris O’Leary anyway) correlating a couple of points and calling it causation.
Pitching is bad for you and causes your body to break down. Hell, if I looked long enough I could probably correlate a particular breakfast cereal or aftershave with pitching injuries. I’m not buying the “inverted w” junk.
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by thelincolndude on Nov 7, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, you don't have to buy into it just because some people who pitched with it got away with it
And O’Leary (who you could look up before you call it all junk) isn’t the only one out there to cite it as mechanics that are injuries waiting to happen.
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By the way, did you read the piece?
He writes:
“You will also see this pattern bear out if you go back into the history books and look at the careers of guys like Don Drysdale and John Smoltz. They both had some Inverted W (and Inverted L) in their arm actions and ended up retiring due to shoulder problems.”
By the way, Drysdale retired at 32.
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Yep, I did and thought his use of Drysdale as support was notable
Did the inverted w do him in? Maybe. But it might have had something to do with putting 3400 innings on his arm. The extra stress didn’t seem to bother him much when he was tossing 1260 innings over a span of four years.
I call it junk because it has all the hallmarks of junk science: doesn’t compare the target group to a control group to see if there’s any actual effect (pitchers of all types suffer catastrophic injury; how much more do inverted w pitchers get injured?); is hazily defined and employs confirmation bias (see his comment on Marmol); and claims as support instances that could easily be used as counterexamples (Drysdale and Smoltz, for example, who both had long careers and threw an absolute ton of effective innings).
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by thelincolndude on Nov 7, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
well...
I know i cant prove it, but I did call the quick injury to Stephen Strasburg before his major league debut. Oh and if you read the O’Leary article, there isn’t anything wrong with the Inverted W itself, however, it is with the timing. when the front foot plants, the forearm, in the case of an inverted w, is facing hand downward, when it should be facing upward when the front foot plants. you can even try this at home. have your front foot land with your forarm downward. then swing your arm around if you were throwing. Over a number of innings, that strain will build up. 
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by David Journey on Nov 7, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure how you can use Smoltz as an example of guys who avoid injury
He had TJ surgery
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How many pitchers avoid injury their whole career?
Smoltz had TJ at 32 after he had already thrown 2400 big league innings, with consistently excellent performance (in other words, the “extra strain” didn’t slow him down). Citing him as an example is classic confirmation bias. He was a workhorse for over a decade, but he’s still claimable as support for the theory because of how poorly defined the parameters are. Same goes for Drysdale.
I don’t doubt the importance of stuff like this to place little red flags on certain topics so that we can follow up on them with real analysis at some point. My problem is with basing decision-making on something this flimsy. Feel the exact same way about the Verducci effect (actually I’d probably use stronger words for that one — I think it’s a load of crap).
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by thelincolndude on Nov 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I just think you're completely ignoring the info so far that show it's not a great idea to throw like that
Again, it was mentioned it affects timing and positioning more than anything else, and that’s not a good combination.
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Fair enough
It’s certainly true that I have no idea what I’m talking about when it comes to pitching mechanics. Absolutely zilch.
However, I am always skeptical of claims that are not well supported. To me, this all boils down to:
“Guys who use a certain throwing motion (which, by the way, is not well-defined; we could go either way in a lot of cases) are susceptible to injury at some point in their careers. They might get injured right away (Strasburg), or they might get injured after throwing a lot of innings over 10 or 12 years (Smoltz, Drysdale). Or sometime in the middle. Also, some of them won’t get injured. And we’re not sure how much more these guys get injured than any other pitcher because we haven’t looked at it.”
And my response is that nobody should pay serious attention to this until someone makes a more compelling case.
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by thelincolndude on Nov 8, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
No, people should pay SERIOUS attention to it.
Preventing injuries should be priority #1
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Of course they should
But it’s not yet accurate. Sure, some throwing mechanics look bad. Some look good. But I have yet to hear a study that suggested that there is a noticeable effect between certain mechanics and injury.
I feel similarly about the Verducci Effect. Sure it’s probably not great for your pitchers’ arms to increase workload, but I’ve yet to see something that strongly links it with injury.
Pitchers get injured a ton whether they have an inverted W or not or they increase their innings total by 50 or gradually increase it. I agree that it needs to be thoroughly investigated, but so far we don’t really know but recommend certain things.
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You're not paying attention to it becomes it's proven
You’re paying attention to it in order to see signs of proof or disproof. It’s a red flag issue. Some red flags turn out to be false alarms, but when someone sees a pattern, it’s important to take notice of the pattern so that you can make an informed decision on whether we should care about the pattern or not.
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Not that it necessarily proves it one way or the other...
…but look at how many people called the Tyson Ross injury well before it happened.
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Right
And it’s also important to take note of the specific injuries these players are suffering. Yes, a lot of pitchers end up with problems. But if there’s a very high frequency of, say, TJS from pitchers who use a more extreme inverted-W, you should take it more serious with your own pitchers use that more extreme version of the inverted-W. If the injuries are all different, well, maybe you take it less seriously.
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Is there?
But if there’s a very high frequency of, say, TJS from pitchers who use a more extreme inverted-W
Honest question: has there been any study indicating this?
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If it helps prevent injuries it should absolutely be paid attention to
Some people who understand this stuff have already weighed in on it.
Just because it’s a fairly recent topic (in the past few years) doesn’t mean cases haven’t been made. Apparently they just haven’t been made well enough for you, who admits you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to mechanics (while people who are talking about this do).
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In fairness to tld,
I think it’s fair to be skeptical for the reasons he’s being skeptical. It’s just a reality that you have to take injuries to pitchers very seriously, because if you can figure out what causes the most injuries, you’re more likely to be able to prevent at least some of it. It’s likely the case where some of these things can’t be helped, but if they can, you should do everything in your power to do so.
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Skepticism is just fine, and I have some reservations about the findings in general myself...
…but it looks like tld just sees it all as a bunch of crap (calling it junk science and all that). To me that’s coming at it from the POV of not wanting to believe it in the first place instead of having an open mind about it. He also completely dismissed O’Leary without apparently reading anything about him, either. There may be questions about O’Leary’s qualifications but at least take the time to check him out first, I say.
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How do you know he hasn't?
Anyone who, really, just read LL when Graham was around there regularly would have been exposed plenty of times to his viewpoint on mechanical analysis of pitching (which is, essentially, that none of the talking heads know jack about the subject).
There is plenty of dissent by well-qualified people out there. This is not a situation where a random skeptic is being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian.
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Just going by what he said:
“who the crap is Chris O’Leary anyway” and “It’s certainly true that I have no idea what I’m talking about when it comes to pitching mechanics. Absolutely zilch.”
Those two in particular. That doesn’t sound to me like someone who’s ever really looked into it.
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He changed his delivery.
His fastball is slower now and his repertoire has more pitches.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 8, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Will Carroll told me the inverted W was an injury myth
Said there are tons of factors that contribute to injury, and that pitchers with the inverted W don’t necessarily get hurt more than pitchers without it.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 9, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
As noted on the front page post, it appears as though the A's have won the bidding process
There’s also this, that points to it:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/11/7/1800375/as-win-rights-to-hisashi-iwakuma
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This is really making me excited!!!!
Call it irrational, but we just scored the first prize of the FA class if this is the case.
Strap yourselves in, this is gonna be an epic offseason…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'm reading all the translations people have made on the other tweets
This is pretty much 99% happening!
His agent wouldn’t do something like that unless it’s official!!!!
yesssssss…..
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by stranahanahan on Nov 7, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
This one is good
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/11/7/1800375/as-win-rights-to-hisashi-iwakuma#51448775
Oakland ですが、これから選手契約です…それが決まらないと…
It’s Oakland but now it’s about the player contract…until that’s decided…
お、決まったのか？っつか言っちゃっていいの？
Oh, it’s decided then? I mean, you can talk about it?
ダメなことは言わないよ（笑）( ´ ▽ ` )ﾉ
I won’t say things I can’t say (lol)
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Ok, assuming we sign Kumakuma
our lineup and rotation look something like;
C1 Kurt Suzuki
1B Daric Barton
2B Mark Ellis
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff
SS Cliff Pennington
LF Chris Carter
CF Coco Crisp
RF Ryan Sweeney
DH Jack CUst
SP Brett Anderson
SP Trevor Cahill
SP Gio Gonzalez
SP Dallas Braden
SP Hisashi Iwakuma
Rotation looks awesome, lineup not so much.
We picked up his option, but we could still stand to do better at 2nd over Ellis, 3B over Kouz, RF over the shattered remnants of Ryan Sweeney, and someone better than Cust.
Dunn, Beltre, Crawford and Hudson!
DO IT BILLY! YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO BE ‘AGGRESSIVE!’ WHATS SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION BETWEEN FRIENDS!
In all seriousness, I could see them reviving trade talks with Arizona about Mark Reynolds (can he play 2B anymore?) and going after Adrian Beltre again, try to go after Dunn perhaps, and then trade for an OF?
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I doubt Reynolds would work at 2B
LF on the other hand…
Problem with Dunn is he Will. Not. DH. 1B is taken and an outfield job costs you most of the runs his bat creates.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Sign Beltre, package Kouz, Rajai, and Mazzarro for Kemp
Yay pipe dreams!
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Pam liked my old sig better.
You know...
IF there is simmering tension between Colletti and Kemp (non-sexual category) then that package might interest the Dodger’s GM.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I wonder if also taking on some dead money from LA would help the deal?
I haven’t actually perused their 2011 salary situation, but making the deal money neutral at least or saving the McCourts a few million bucks couldn’t hurt.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
A lot of their dead money is tied up in players not even on LA's roster anymore
I don’t think the A’s can pay the deferred salary for Manny or Juan Pierre.
As for still breathing bodies, Casey Blake ($5.25M in 2011, $1.25M buy-out in 2012) and Jonathan Broxton ($7M in 2011) would be the most likely candidates.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Hm... Expensive reliever for cheaper reliever as part of the deal?
Kemp and Broxton for Kouz, Rajai, Mazzarro, and. uh.. Ziggy? Blevins? Weurtz?
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LA's not exactly hurting for cash
That’s a lot of upside leaving LA, involving two marquee players who put up good numbers as recently as 2009. Hell, Broxton was pitching well last year until a mid-season meltdown.
I think it might be best to shelve the dead money angle.
The monster at the end of this blog.
The McCourts are, aren't they? Isn't that why they let Manny go on waivers, so they could save a few mil?
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Colletti has said he has room in the budget
Maybe he’s full of shit but I’ve got no way to definitively say so. Manny was placed on waivers ‘cause almost all big money players end up on waivers at the tail end of the year. The Dodgers let him go in part because they wanted to save money, but there were also performance issues at play. He basically pissed off a lot of people in the Dodgers’ organization and his bat wasn’t making up for it.
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Huh? He had a .915 OPS.
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They wanted more HRs and as I recall was giving Torre grief
Throw in the half season suspension and the Dodgers were tired of him.
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You can send cash without the player can't you?
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BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Yes
IIRC, cash was a big part of the RJ to Yankees deal five or so years ago.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
You can send cash
But any value over $1 million needs to be approved by MLB. And all of the cases I can think of have involved adding cash to a deal that included the player the $$$ was designated for. Manny is a FA, he’s no longer on the dodger’s roster. His debt is still in the books and on LA’s payroll. In theory you could send Kouz, Dajai and Mazzaro plus enough cash to pay for their salaries… which would essentially free up those dollars to go towards LA paying off Manny. But I don’t think you could send those players plus pay off the $8 million the Dodgers owe Manny in 2011.
And if the A’s were willing to send LA approximately $6 million (the estimated combined salary of the 3 A’s players) plus pick up Kemp’s salary than the Dodgers better be sending some prospects in the deal.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Sounds Good
We get an excellent third baseman and a great outfielder. Counting that deal, the team next year could look like this:
C: Suzuki
1B: Barton
2B: Ellis
3B: Beltre
SS: Tolleson
LF: Carter
CF: Crisp
RF: Kemp
DH: Cust
SP: Cahill, Iwakuma, Gonzalez, Anderson, Outman
RP: Bailey, Wuertz, Devine, Breslow, Rodriguez, Ross
by Oakland All-Star on Nov 8, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Um... Tolleson at short?
What we doing with Pennington?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
He had pretty major surgery, but he should be good for 2011.
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zonis rosterbation, the thread is now complete
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
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Nope
Kleenex Stadium.
And wow was this an ugly thread. Whenever you see the meta appeal to “PT stop being a jerk” not work you know you’re seeing something special.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I don't think it's been PT in a long time.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
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