Thread deleting: Potential AN TOS revision?
by UncleLeo on Nov 27, 2010 9:24 AM PST
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PrintFellow ANers, we have an issue that has reared its head of late, and it should be discussed and addressed.
Background: Recently we've had instances where the thread author has deleted the entire thread that they started. Their reasonings are their own, but needless to say, said actions caused great debate among AN members about whether or not this was a legitimate and reasonable course of action. The opinions were passionate and varied on both sides, though one side seemed to dominate the other in terms of numbers of people.
The Issues: The points being against deleting threads were several. In a nutshell, it's rude. And inconsiderate. And childish. But, the biggest problem with thread deleting is that it is a virtual slap in the face to EVERYBODY who participated in the thread in good faith that their points-of-view mean something.
Just as people often put a lot of time and effort into starting a thread, people who respond also put a great deal of time and thought into their responses. To have it wiped away as if it never existed is possibly the greatest insult one can bestow on a fellow ANer. You've essentially told them that their time and effort and opinions are meaningless and unworthy.
The primary point for deleting threads was, well... it's mine, it no longer serves my purpose, and I can do with it what I want.
Can you tell I'm openly against thread deleting?
Anyway, another issue brought up in favor of deleting threads was that a thread will often go off-topic. Ok, fair enough, but not often... pretty much always. This is the internet. It just is.
The Solution: I would suggest that the leaders of AN remove the ability for a thread author to delete their entire thread. While the author may have started it, it is my opinion that the thread becomes community property once others contribute, and it is not cool to have someone else arbitrarily decide what happens to other's posts and comments.
If a thread is so egregious that it needs to be deleted entirely, I would rather the AN leadership decide so as a group.
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FYI, I've already asked el techies whether a function can be added
whereby you can’t delete your own thread, and been told yes, and that a fix is in the works that would make threads not deletable once the thread reaches a certain number of comments. However, I don’t know the timeline on when this will go into effect.
So now that you know this, I guess you could delete this thread! I kid, I kid.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Reaching a certain number of comments would be the best in-between solution
There should be reasons for someone to be able to delete a post s/he creates, but I don’t think “I’m not happy with the direction it’s gone in” should be one of them.
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When I asked about it, el techies said,
“Yes, this really should have been the case all along…” Basically, that it was an oversight for threads to be deletable forever. So they’re fixing it, but I don’t know at what speed.
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This
I want threads to be deleted if they were duplicates. Sometimes I make a fanpost about a big signing, only to realize that when I’m finished another, better one was already made, so I want to delete mine to consolidate conversation. If 15+ comments are reached though, I want it to stand.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 27, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
As long as that option and the option to edit your own fan post, I think there won’t be any really legitimate reasons to delete a fan post.
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I'm assuming the ability to edit your own fanpost won't be affected
Different concepts, different buttons.
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I disagree wholeheartedly
Turning ANY topic away from A’s baseball and putting the focus on a poster is terrible and those threads are largely garbage. This would be solved if posters never addressed each other personally….I’d love it if that happened. Its one thing to contribute to an idea or train of thought, it another to be negative and condescending.
In a similar vein...
…I’ve often wondered how the social dynamics of AN would shake down if all posts were truly anonymous. There are some people who are… I won’t say clique-ish… but are like-minded, or at least are ‘followers’ of others. People who tend to more often than not agree with the same people regardless of topic. Would these people continue to agree with each other if they didn’t know who they were agreeing with?
Some would, no doubt. I’d also bet that some others would be surprised that they wouldn’t.
Of course, it would be difficult to be completely anonymous. Some have distinct styles or tones in their writing that would become even more evident over time.
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It would be a trainwreck.
Personal attacks, no accountability to what you say. That’s not really a style that lends itself towards a community. That’s basically a Yahoo, ESPN, or MLB message board.
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by DMOAS on Nov 28, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I think everyone should post using their real names. I do.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Many of us who use pseudonymous names
still list our real names in our profiles. My real name is just my public name. Honestly, I feel that my nickname here is more intimate than my real name. Hardly anyone I’m close to uses my real name anyway
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
same here
the name is public, I’m just basically doing you all a favor, so you don’t have to spell that bitch
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No, I think there really is something real about having a post with your name at the bottom of it
which is qualitatively different from a screenname where someone who goes through the work can find out your real name.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think you don't understand
the extent to which I don’t relate to my public name. Over there in the crazy meta thread, elcroata referred to me as “Mark” and my reaction was, “huh? who the heck is ‘Mark’? … oh yeah, he means me.”
Unless I’m filling out a form or paying for something, I pretty much never sign my name that way.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Um, to clarify,
I do get your point, Paul, and my response was tangential to that.
It just feels weird to me to have that described as my “real name”, when I think of it as the superficial fake name that anyone is allowed to use.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Do you have a secret name which makes you freeze if anyone utters it?
[If anyone gets that reference, I will literally fall out of my chair with surprise.]
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Well, there's the Earthsea trilogy...
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
It's a common fanatasy element
I last saw it in The Lies of Locke Lamora
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Hm
Interesting. Did not know it was a cultural trope.
The more you know, I guess.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Not just in literature, but in history/mythology
I don’t know about the “make you freeze” thing, but definitely the secret name that holds power over a person. There was a lot of that among the German tribes the various Caesars fought against.
In literature, you see it in a lot of myths and folk tales — Rumpelstiltskin, Lohengrin, Turandot. For that matter, the Yahweh business is the same idea.
(My car has a secret name. In addition to its “real” name, its nicknames, and the names I usually call it.)
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Yeah, names = power is certainly standard
But “make you freeze” specifically seems to be a common one for fantasy purposes, which is actually kind of boring when you think about it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Depends on who previously knew the secret name
and how the heck did this new guy find out!?!?!?
by LoneStranger on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
The secret name of Eric Chavez' spinal column is "Moneyball"
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
WHY DID BILLY TELL EVERYONE THEN?!?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I've also been called out by my real name by another poster
who looked in my profile and checked my blog. It was a little awkward at first, but then again, I do prefer the aforementioned sort of accountability.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 28, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree.
There’s a lot to be said for that.
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I'm not in favor of that
Mostly because that would exclude me from a lot of internet participation. Not because of specific comments to specific people, but where, when and how I choose to post (among other issues). It’s less about accountability and more about security and personal information control.
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Right.
And while I don’t disagree with Paul… I believe there is benefit to people using their real identities… it is precisely this that always brings me back. Security and personal information control.
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Can you explain this?
I don’t see what’s different about posting at work with a fake name and posting at work with a real name. Either way, it’s clearly a. outside the scope of employment, and b. something your workplace will get mad at you for doing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It's more about potential future employers googling you
and using your old sports blog posts as part of the information they use when deciding whether to hire you or not…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 28, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No wonder I can't get a job.
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Okay, so make the site opaque to internet searches
I’m pretty sure that’s doable, since I can’t use google to access someone’s private Facebook page if I’m outside their filter settings. Why not make it the same here?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Because I don't think that's something individual users have control over?
Right? That would be a higher-up decision. And they wouldn’t sacrifice potential hits for that, I don’t think.
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be common." - Satchel Paige
How many hits does SBN get off of Google searches for comments?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Look up God's Puppy.
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No, I'm saying, how many people ACTUALLY access SBN via google search
as opposed to bookmark, Yahoo/Fangraphs/THT link, or URL entry?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
A lot, actually.
Over the last three days, 278 people came here through search engines from the phrase “athletics nation”, 59 from “a’s nation”, 59 from “athleticsnation”, and a bunch more from other related search phrases.
…And 70 from “balloons” for some reason.
Hot air balloons!
I see “14.2% by search” — does that answer PT’s question? Or does it just confirm that i have no idea about internet data-y stuff?
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That figure is for today's traffic, by the way.
I’m assuming the other 85.8% arrived by hot air balloon.
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We need a division to police these newcomers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhjv2SMRz0w
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 28, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
If you click on "Big Board" in the dashboard
it’ll give you a super-sweet stacked bar graph with where all of our views came from. The average seems to be in the 11-13% range from search engines.
I first found out about AN through a Yahoo search for "Goats"
Oddly enough, I had to turn safe search off to find it.
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Always practice safe search
{scratches crotch}
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Is Christina Hendricks still on the
Google hit list for AN? Both she and Helen Mirren were listed last time I looked.
(Hmm, maybe that explains the “balloons”….)
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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Fewer than SBN wants I'm sure
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Isn't the answer to any possible question "how many people come here via method x"
“fewer than SBN wants”?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yes
So a proposal to reduce the number to 0 = nonstarter.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
If reducing google hits to 0 produced more total hits
than keeping google hits at their current level (which might well be the case if AN went to non-anonymous posting, because making comments unsearchable from the exterior might attract people who otherwise would be afraid of being “found out”), then it would absolutely be a “starter.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So you think forcing real name user IDs and adding a google shield would increase traffic?
I think allowing google searches and screennames is a much better bet.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
To many people
our screen names are our identities. I, for one, have been using this name for about 20 years (though I know I am not the only one, just as there are other Mike Headleys out there).
by LoneStranger on Nov 29, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
No, I think that if real name IDs were put in place
then adding a google shield would increase traffic.
I have no doubt that real name IDs would lower traffic overall, regardless, because many people are too thoroughly bought off to risk actually ever saying anything about anything for themselves, even in a place where people have to deliberately look to find it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Sure
But still a business catastrophe for SBN, which was my point.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Of course it is
Just about anything that might threaten the established political-economic order is a business catastrophe.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Facebook has all sorts of security issues constantly
I’m not sure that’s the best example to give. The lack of anonymity has cost people jobs and has created personal issues for people using it.
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Yes, if they're dumb and not only make their profile public to everyone
but then do embarrassing things on it.
My profile is accessible only to friends and contains nothing more controversial than my political viewpoints.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Believe it or not, that alone may be too controversial for some.
…nothing more controversial than my political viewpoints.
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I'm aware of that
By and large, I find it to be a positive, not a negative. The fact that someone is screening people by political viewpoints is an excellent sign that that person is uninterested in either real friendship or work productivity.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Facebook is very hackable.
If you use any sort of wireless network, even password-protected, your account can be breached. This has been true for some time, but fairly recently a semi-rogue developer (seeking to publicize the weakness and force Facebook to respond, or at least so he says) released a Firefox extension that makes it easy for any novice to hack into anyone’s Facebook account.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Well, not ANY wireless network.
If you use WPA2 encryption, you’ll be fine. But the older WEP standard? Any semi-computer-literate guy running Linux can crack it in a few hours.
That's just a wireless security failure
Not any site’s fault.
And I think WEP is solvable in minutes not hours. Anyone using WEP security should really really fix it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
That's one of the first things a friend told me when I was getting my wireless network set up
“Don’t ever use WEP because it’s insanely easy to crack. Go WPA.”
Great call.
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Like trivially easy
[link]
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Wireless is freaky, anyway
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OK, so, hackers can find out your political positions
I don’t think most employers are going to commit crimes to investigate potential employees.
Again, there is a level of paranoia beyond which it is probably best to simply accept that if someone really, really makes a point of hosing you, there’s not that much you can do about it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Because it allows you to actually interact in a real way with other humans?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Like we're already doing now?
You don’t need real names to interact with other humans. It’s an entirely unnecessary thing.
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Whatever
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I believe someone hacked PT's account.
Or his paragraph after the subject line got deleted. Either way, something isn’t right with this comment. It’s too short for PT.
by LoneStranger on Nov 30, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Because still I'm fairly anonymous
If I give out details about what I do, as a long as they’re not too specific it can’t be led back to my company and any privacy issues related to the company. And unless they’re inclined to look at my work computer specifically, there’s no direct connection to me specifically so if they were to happen upon anything I say on here (as well as family members, I might add) there’s nothing specific that would be directly related to me. My name (last name specifically) is not exactly common which adds to that.
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It's true.
I know very few people whose last name is MOAS.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What "privacy issues"?
You keep using this vague language and tapdancing around the issue. What are the issues that you are concerned about?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He hasn't told his mom yet that he's a woman.
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Client names, confidentially agreements
Basic personal security. There are certainly people out there who don’t care about these things (you’re certainly one of them) but I actually do. Connecting statements I make here directly to myself can put me in a precarious position. Am I going to provide specific details? No. Absolutely not. For the very reason I choose to protect myself and my career. I can freely discuss how I might be unhappy with my job or how bored I find myself at work. If my employer should randomly stumble upon it and see my name and directly connect it to me, that’s my job. Gone. They stumble across it and it’s some random name, even if they were to know it were me (which there’s no reason for them to know it’s me), it’s simply not the same. You might not see the issue and the issue my not be world ending, but it is enough to give me pause and for me to be careful about what I do and don’t do online because while it won’t end my life or anything, it does have the potential to make my life harder and quite frankly, I’m not about to do that because some random person on the internet isn’t (or does feel they are) in the same position. So of course I’m “using vague language and tapdancing around the issue.” Whether you can understand those reasons is entirely irrelevant to me or those issues. For all you know and for all you should care, those reasons are my own.
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by DMOAS on Nov 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've got crap posted all over the internet,
plenty of it easily traceable to my name.
I would be totally fine with any potential employer reading any of it, in the unlikely event that anyone would care enough to chase it all down. It’s a reasonable reflection of who I am, and any employer that wants to rule against me based on it is exactly the sort of employer I don’t want to work for in the first place.
Then again I’m not exactly career-oriented….
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
by iglew on Nov 28, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with
“any employer that wants to rule against me based on it is exactly the sort of employer I don’t want to work for in the first place.”
In fact, that’s what I told that stupid manager at McDonalds just last week. What I suggested that he super-size was probably inappropriate, but whatevs.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The job hunting world is a difficult place
Employers are going to judge you on what little info they have and it’s not really fair most of the time. But occasionally they’ll look at comments someone might have made in, say, a CT thread and think, “I don’t want to hire a guy who wants to bleep goats or pee all over my daughter” without realizing you’d be perfectly professional and a joy to work with while in the office.
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by DMOAS on Nov 28, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why is it that the goat thing is the first thing that always comes to mind
When you’re looking for a weird example of something like that? I mean, we’ve said a lot of crazy shit in the CT threads and yet that was the first thing that came to mind. Okay, that speaks volumes about me too and a potential employer seeing that would also scare me since the people I work with pretty much see me as something else entirely.
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Well, Freud would say that
you have a secret desire to milk your mother’s childhood pet goat.
Of course Freud believed that every young boy growing up secretly wants to sleep with his mother, which is utterly ridiculous when you consider that I never even met Freud’s mother.
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But you've seen nude pictures of her on the internet.
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And may I just say,
RAWR!
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Seriously!!!
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And that's perfectly fine.
I’m certainly not going to try to convince or dissuade anyone from putting their real identity out there. I’m just pointing out that just because you have no issue doing so, it doesn’t mean others might have a good reason to protect their own (and by “good” I mean that in the subjective use).
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"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That's good...
…but there’s also the potential for stalkers, identity theft, and other mindless and dumb-ass harassment.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Why do you think I post so many comments?
Would someone please start stalking or harrassing me???
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
"Are you stalking me? Because that would be super."
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Alright honey, I'll stalk ya but I get cigarette breaks every half hour and I don't do holidays.
I have to have you. Hack, it’s my break, sweetie.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
"Identity theft"
is a phony concept invented by banks to make it sound like it’s someone else’s fault when they fuck up.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Yes, but you still wind up paying for it regardless of their fault.
So it’s only a phony concept semantically speaking.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'm with you on this
I work in the public sector as a teacher. And I would worry that someone with an axe to grind against me — specifically for my political leanings — would try to derail my career through a smear campaign. I wouldn’t worry about being exposed for my political beliefs, mind you [I very much would cop to what I am, to any administrator/school board member, if asked]: I would worry about someone hating my politics so much that they’d try bringing me down through a fraudulent claim about some other aspect of my character.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 28, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Which might be easy to do given some of the strange fun places
our conversations go and how bad they’d come across if they were taken literally.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'm also a teacher, and I figure that
if they don’t want an alcoholic, cross-dressing pedophile teaching their kindergarteners well then s-sscrew it!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well you're just ballsy...
And by that I mean you also like to pay with little boy’s…
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Maybe this whole "thread-deleting" idea isn't such a bad one...
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
All of this seems incredibly paranoid to me
I already assume that someone in a position of power who wants to destroy me can likely do so, with or without whatever marginal additional evidence they can glean from internet postings.
It’s rather liberating. You should try it sometime.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
...
All of this seems incredibly paranoid to me
If that’s how you choose to catagorize it. I just think it’s smart of me to avoid any potential hassle. I trust most people but I do not trust everyone.
I already assume that someone in a position of power who wants to destroy me can likely do so, with or without whatever marginal additional evidence they can glean from internet postings.
I make that assumption already. But false acusations can be difficult to prove false in the short-term. And when one works with other people’s children, administrators have to be cautious. And in this business, someone’s character that has been impugned, in my view, faces an uphill battle in restoring the confidence and trust from others that should have never been lost in the first place.
It’s rather liberating. You should try it sometime.
Ha! That’s one of the last things I would have thought I’d read from you to me. In context, though, I’ve considered what you’ve suggested but I’d still would rather avoid potential hassles.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 29, 2010 3:39 AM PST up reply actions
You're really making this difficult
I feel like Socrates, having to peel back layer after layer of unexplained buzzwords.
What clients? What confidentiality agreements? How are they impacted by AN?
I suspect that I know what I am going to say to all of this once I can figure out what you’re talking about, but I can’t be sure because you’re being so unclear with what you’re saying.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He's saying he feels uncomfortable putting everything out there into cyberspace
because there might be real-world consequences for him doing it.
What is vague about this, Paul?
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm trying to find out if there's anything deeper to it
than “I want to blabber on about all these things that I’m really, really supposed to not talk about, but I can’t do that if I have to use my real name!”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
no, it's a matter of real-world consequences.
It’s not a matter of talking about things you’re not supposed to talk about.
It’s a matter of there being a disconnect between what an employer should have the right to control/react to/assess an employee for and what an employer does control/react to/assess an employee for.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to make your own arguments, that's fine
but I do not see the connection between this and a comment making vaguely spooky references to “confidentiality agreements and client names.”
To answer your own argument, employers in the United States can hire and fire people for virtually any stupid reason that they feel like. (Even the microscopic minority of prohibited reasons are of limited protection because it’s so hard to prove that the employer actually acted based on that particular reason.) That is unlikely to change in the near future. I don’t really know why anyone in this country would ever believe that they have job security absent a legal contract saying they do. Sucks, but that’s how it is.
If your employer fires people based on expressing opinions about a baseball team, then it’s your responsibility as an adult to decide whether it’s worth it to you to express opinions about a baseball team and risk getting fired. No one else can make that decision for you. Odds are that such an employer is probably a bad one, but sometimes you need to put up with that to feed the kids.
Putting up a screen of anonymity allows people to hide from the consequences of reality. In general, I am uninterested in fostering an environment in which that takes place. I think anonymity has serious culturally destructive qualities.
Obviously the site powers-that-be disagree with me. That’s fine, but it doesn’t change my opinion on how things ought to be.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
But what if his decision
it’s your responsibility as an adult to decide whether it’s worth it to you to express opinions about a baseball team and risk getting fired
is that he wants to have it both ways?
I personally am fine with living in a fishbowl, but I can certainly understand that someone else might want to keep secret or semi-secret identities.
There are plenty of people here, including some of my favorites, who choose to use AN to express only one part of their persona. Nothing wrong with that.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
The desire to "have it both ways"
is precisely the source of the destructive effects that I alluded to. It’s a kind of fake freedom in which everyone is free to be as irrelevant, repressed and generally terrorized as they want to be.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Trust me, you don't want to know
how little I know about stats.
Let me maintain my baseball expert persona.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
And you pretty much made my argument for me
Without going into specifics, I’ve had this particular conversation with the owner of the company I work for. Whether I like my job or not, I do want to protect my source of income. While discussing A’s baseball won’t get me fired (unless it’s done on the job), acting in a non-professional demeanor that, based on the inclusion of my name, could have a direct connection to my employer (regardless of my own personal desire for my private life to stay that way) could lead me to lose my job. I’m particularly vague in discussing specifics, because that’s who I am when it comes to my personal life/information. That’s nice that someone who’s name can be connected to a great deal of, shall we say “interesting” topics, doesn’t care for anonymity, but if you were to google my real name, you’re basically googling me. There’s no deflecting it to being “another” person X with the same name. You don’t like the idea of fostering an environment that hides identities, that’s great. Good for you I guess. But, as I’ve stated before, without that, I would curtail A LOT of my internet activity, not that I have that much to begin with. Not because I’m unwilling to hold myself accountable, but because I specifically live my life with a philosophical and ethical view of controlling as much info of my private life as I possibly can. I don’t give out my info to anyone I don’t trust to give it to and then only as much as I trust them to respect the privacy of having that info. I can say things here about my life that some people can connect to me, but only those select few can connect it directly to me. And those are people who I trust to know those things and again, keep it private. I treat the internet like I do real life. I don’t walk into a bar and tell everyone in it my name, why would I do that here? When I leave that bar, only those who I gave my personal information to, will have that information. To everyone else, I’ll remain anonymous. I have that right, I choose to act on that right. You can either respect it or not. I really don’t care.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
by DMOAS on Nov 28, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I see the problem
You’re garbling two completely separate arguments here: “I can’t post because my boss would fire me” and “I don’t want to post because I want to control information about me.”
I think I’ve already addressed the first one. If your cost-benefit calculus says not speaking is better than speaking, and you want the payoff, then fine— don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
As for the second, it’s quite alien to me. You’re free to adopt whatever posture you want to with regard to control over information about you, but, and I realize that my opinion is worth exactly what you’re paying me for it, it seems to me like a basically unhealthy way to interact with people. If I don’t want someone to know things about me, I don’t start a conversation in the first place. And, indeed, many days I don’t really do much conversing.
It’s not like I’m Dr. Phil or something; I’m not insisting that everyone be constantly sharing about their feelings or whatever. Just, when you say something, stand up and mean the thing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And yet...
As for the second, it’s quite alien to me. You’re free to adopt whatever posture you want to with regard to control over information about you, but, and I realize that my opinion is worth exactly what you’re paying me for it, it seems to me like a basically unhealthy way to interact with people.
…more and more people are doing their socializing online [many using aliases] without ever meeting face-to-face. If using alternate identities is unhealthy, isn’t all of this unhealthy?
Just, when you say something, stand up and mean the thing.
As far as I can tell, nothing about using an alternate identity prevents people from doing this.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 29, 2010 3:47 AM PST up reply actions
I like this.
and I realize that my opinion is worth exactly what you’re paying me for it,
I like that a lot.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 29, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Clever, innit?
Too bad I didn’t think of it. But I’m not above knocking off someone else’s clever turn of phrase.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
When you walk into a bar do you announce your name?
Do you wear a name tag everywhere you go? Somehow I doubt you do. Reality check, if I have a random conversation with a stranger, there’s a leveled control of information being exchanged going both ways. In most cases, a name isn’t important or necessary. When it is, it’s a first name and seldom a full name. To most people in the world, I’m just that random guy I spoke to or interacted with. Or oh, remember that guy with the beard in a t & jeans? That guy. A name? Just an unnecessary identifier when it comes to basic social interaction. Do you realize how many anonymous groups that are out there, well before the start of the internet? The reason isn’t because it’s an unhealthy way to interact, but instead because it is a healthy way to interact. It frees you to simply be yourself and open up because no one can specifically identify who you are. It’s the difference between knowing your story vs. knowing your identity. You have a unique world view and I can certainly appreciate that, but you have to understand that there things you simply don’t understand. This is just one of them. And to speak as though you know what’s right in this case, is simply making you more and more wrong.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I don't get why you're so obsessed with this bar analogy
In any case, I don’t really go to bars. If I did and met someone, I would probably introduce myself with “Hi, I’m Paul.”
It frees you to simply be yourself and open up because no one can specifically identify who you are.
Comments on thinly moderated sites really free people to be themselves and open up because no one can specifically identify them. The conclusion I come to from my experiences with such sites is that at least a considerable minority, if not an outright majority, of people are utterly vile, hateful beings. That’s useful information, but I question whether offering them a platform in which to unleash the hatred is really all that wise.
you have to understand that there things you simply don’t understand. This is just one of them. And to speak as though you know what’s right in this case, is simply making you more and more wrong.
Again, whatever. Yes, you get to play the “taunt people with tantalizing concealed information” game if you want to. I’ll even admit openly that I find it irritating, which may well be what your objective was, given the condescending oeuvre of this bit. (I’ll never know, of course. Isn’t that fun?)
This is as fake as it gets. Yay!
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Your assessment of what I will or will not say is
mostly OZ-like and was never intended to be treated as a “Ha-ha I know something you don’t know.” It’s more of a “I have personal information I don’t want shared.” Probably 99.99% of that information is entirely irrelevant to anyone but me and even most of that isn’t all that relevant to me. But what matters to me is my ability to control it (as much as I can, which isn’t much, but I do what I can as best I can).
I use the bar analogy, not because I frequent bars, I don’t, but because it’s as apt as a social metaphor for the internet as any other place. Pick a library, or a coffee house or whatever other place you want in its place Are there sites that become free-for-all for hatred, you bet. Are they worth the time to read or participate? Absolutely not. Is that relevant to the discussion, not really. There is all sorts of dreck on the internet, removing anonymity doesn’t fix the problem, because the reality is it will always exist. Just like you in real life can introduce yourself as Paul, you could just as easily introduce yourself as Murray and no one would be the wiser and no one would actually give a shit. Suggesting everyone use their real name doesn’t resolve that.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And yet,
I’ve seen forums where people use their real names, and I’ve seen forums where they don’t, and the discourse is better— purely, unalloyedly better— at the former, because people can’t just slap any old garbage up there and expect zero accountability.
That’s really all I have to say on the subject— empirical experience. I used to think “hey, anonymity, great— I can just talk to my computer and it’s just like it’s magically replying back to me!” Then I messed around with it for a while and discovered that anonymity basically sucks.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I agree with this, to a point...
…and I even have my own experiences and observations to tell.
Let me tell you about another forum I belong to, and on which I was heavily active (not AN, honest, but a true story). On that forum virtually everybody, without exception, used screen names, and for the purpose of that forum, screen names were advised and encouraged.
The downside of this was the general discussion forum. People there formed cliques. Discussions and debates became more about “who” rather than “what”. People were snarky and sometimes downright mean to each other.
When Facebook became popular most of the same people migrated there and interacted in both places. Funny thing was… with Facebook and people using their real names now instead of screen names… the cliques disappeared. These same people who used to snap at each other at the drop of a hat were suddenly nice to each other.
Taken a step further, many of them eventually met in person for various activities, and these same people actually became friends.
Of course there were a couple Grade-A a-holes in any scenario, but that happens in so-called real life, too.
Anyway, based on my observations, the more anonymity, the more emboldened people feel the need to be jerks. In a round-about way, I think it brings out their inner true self… who they WANT to be, and what they really think, but are too timid to actually be.
Having said all that, and in spite of agreeing with you on this point, I still come down in favor of screen names in order to protect myself. Some may see the chances of negative effect from open identities as being slim, but I prefer to keep them as slim as possible.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
I think we've experienced that on AN to a degree.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 30, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Absolutely.
It does happen here as well, though not near as bad as the forum I described. They had it down to an art form.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Can you back this up with stats?
I’ve seen forums where people use their real names, and I’ve seen forums where they don’t, and the discourse is better— purely, unalloyedly better
It seems to me to be a small sample size, and likely only from a sample of places that interest you.
by LoneStranger on Nov 30, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
I'm unaware of anyone who keeps stats on internet forums, so no, I cannot...
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I use a screen name
not so much to hurl anonymous insults, but so that future employers don’t find it during a google search.
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be common." - Satchel Paige
Try answering, in a job interview,
“Tell me about goats, Cindi, and chocolate martinis.” So I tell them. I’ve actually had 17 job offers, so I’m not sure what my point is.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I doubt they're the kind of jobs you want to have on your resume, though
Last of the Ninth - Photography
One of them sounded kinda cool
If you like bartending at an all girls farm, anyway.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
At least the milk's homemade
But I’d want to know where it came from first.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Wouldn't we just get a bunch of,
“In response to the ignorant people who believe Pennington should bat leadoff…” instead of, “Jane, you ignorant slut.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You could just call everybody "Cupholder"
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 28, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
That discription is NOT to carelessly thrown around
Not everyone has what it takes to be a cupholder.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It really does take a special kind of mikev, doesn't it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
At least a Cuppingmaster would be properly recognized that way.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
Or
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Good point.
And I should have thought of that angle, as it fits with other thoughts I have regarding how people act and treat each other on the internet. But that’s another topic for another time, I guess.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Cool. Thanks.
I think having a minimum number of posts… 5-10 maybe… is a reasonable compromise.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
This is absolutely ridiculous
I deleted a thread that immediately started off with many personal attacks on me, and I’d do it again. If you start it, you can finish it. I like AN how it is, but if you want to change something, force every post to run a spellcheck before posting. I’d also like it if we kept to the topic at-hand and not focus on the poster. If someone says something insane, then leave it alone. If you address it then it feeds the trolls and takes the quality down too far.
I have no qualms whatsoever with thread deletion if a thread turns away from the topic at hand into something that turns poster-specific and not topic-specific, we have specific threads for posting random stuff for those.
Plus, I change my mind sometimes because sometimes people make posts here that are enlightening. One thing that’s the most pathetic thing Ive ever seen here is when someone grabs something else from another old thread that’s way out of context and era and says “oh, remember when you said this?” I’d ban anyone who pulls that crap. Its just a freaking blog, calm down, people are allowed to change their minds and opinions. Just keep it in-thread and move on.
Not to get too personal, and no offense intended, but since you made the claim...
…you specifically are one of the most likely to get all bent out of shape when one of your threads doesn’t go the way you want. It happens time and time again. Forgive me if I don’t take your claims of noble indifference seriously.
Having said that, don’t make the mistake of interpreting this thread and its recommendation as being about you solely and specifically. It’s not.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
"claims of noble indifference"??
How do you get PL claiming to be indifferent out of that? Seems to me he’s claiming exactly the opposite.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Your memory of what set that post off is...suspect
People politely tried to explain their POV to you and you grew belligerent, then Nico changed it and you accepted it. You already apologized to Nico and promised to do better, or something like that. Now you’re saying you’d do it the exact same way again.
People are not trolls for calling you out on the things you say that are, honestly, foolish. You like to talk about how your post is your kitchen, so to use that analogy if you can’t handle it, get out of it.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Dude, there were never any personal attacks directed at you in that thread. NONE.
You took an innocent question/comment about what you wrote and went completely nuts and became defensive. Then you proceeded to take it to a whole other level and derailed your own thread.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Can we stop feeding this guy's ego by talking about this?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yeah
I considered responding to the rest of it, but it’s really quite… well, not worth it. You’re right PT.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
As long as it's an option to the FanPost user...
…then what can be done? And the feature exists to do what exactly is uncertain to me but it must exist for a reason. Also, an author can essentially edit everything in the original post down to a single character for the title and the body. And I am in favor of allowing editing even if it means the original content of the psot can get wiped away.
The people that do this kind of thing will be held to account by the community at large through criticism or through being ignored in the future. I think the community polices itself fairly well in this manner. That’s just my $0.48 more than anyone really wanted.
You're capable
Of doing a lot of things that are CGVs. This can easily be one of those. But I have no problem with people being able to edit their fan post to nothingness. Especially when they technically maintain ownership according to SBN.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
What I don't know is whether you might still need to satisfy the 75 character minimum
But for that you could always put
fiwe 4dk23dfg #dsdfiwe 4dk23dfg #dsdsb0 sb023dfg # dfiwe 4dk23df df0e409fvmkllnsd k23df df0e409fv,
which is always a winner.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
PROVE IT, STAT BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I know that I would like to maintain the ability to delete my post
Perhaps just maintain the ability to delete until there are comments on it? Isn’t that how the polls are constructed?
I'm here to talk about Don
What I would REALLY like is the ability to delete comments!
My own of course.
I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 27, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Deleting your comments sounds like fun
We should all be able to do that
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Oh man, you would love my reply to this if I hadn't just deleted it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
We who can't remain
caught; brave; flies.
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
Hey, I can use random words too.
linoleum; banana; parsimonious.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Skinner thinks the teachers are going to crack
purple; monkey; dishwasher.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 29, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
What, you think we're going to go away from crack?
Silly, silly man.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
We should be able to delete a comment until there are responses to it
At the very least, it will allow us to fix something if we hit post without doing a proper proofread and realize something needs to be fixed.
Maybe an edit comment (again, before responses) feature would be good, too.
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by thejd44 on Nov 27, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
The before responses idea is a great one.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
We have that.
I believe it’s called preevuuuuu.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Flaged 4 speling
Iss prevue. Git it rite!
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
You know what else would be really cool.
Is if there were a way to read the comment before it’s actually posted. It’s terrible that the only way you can read your own comment is after you’ve already hit post.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
For some reason, grave errors only seem to reveal themselves once the work is made public
Also, I only really use preview if I’m posting a picture or doing something funky with links or quote or other formatting.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 30, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I vote no.
But as was pointed out before, since you could edit the content of the FanPost itself after it’s been “locked in,” it would be pretty pointless. Those who are inclined to take their kickball and go home will do so anyway.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I'm fine with a person deleting their writing...perfectly valid for them to do so
It’s deleting other people’s work that gets people mad.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I wouldn't say I'm "fine with it"
In such a scenario, it makes the subsequent work submitted by others a lot more difficult to put into context. But, I see your point. I guess I’d call it valid, but annoying.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Totally agree.
In most circumstances I would still think that deleting one’s own words a tad immature, but they are the words of that person, so I’d let it slide. It’s when people take it upon themselves to arbitrarily delete other people’s words that is uncalled for.
The thread would lose some of its context, but if there are enough posts then there should still be enough to follow for those who have been actively participating.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
If someone wants to edit the content of the post, so be it
People will still see that, but more importantly they’ll be able to see the comments.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
The thing is, we should allow FanPost editing. There are many threads where it's valid (and actually helpful).
I agree that it’s lame if someone erases all the content, but if somebody makes an honest mistake and wants to fix it, that should be allowed. If somebody is updating information, that should be allowed. And sometimes in, say, a “We just offered Beltre a contract” thread, the current news updates should be inserted into the FanPost as it becomes available.
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by thejd44 on Nov 27, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the ability to edit your fanposts will be affected in any way
Just the ability to press a red button and blow the whole thing up.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yes, but jeepers seems to be saying he'd prefer no FanPost editing.
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by thejd44 on Nov 30, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I voted no
Its their thread, its their choice. And for one, quite often there are threads that are redundant (multiple DLD’s are an example, or multiple news breaks).
There are also times when its nice to delete a thread when it has become troll infested.
tldr; /AN/ threads belong to the OP. moot agreed, don’t bother him about it.
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"Berserkers: the new market inefficiency."
-LonestarBall
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I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 27, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I don't agree that "it's your thread"
Once people start commenting, it’s a group’s thread that you started. You don’t really own a conversation just because you begin it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yup.
And even in the most troll infested fan posts, occasionally you can find a fun nugget of goodness. Hell, half of the running jokes come from these types of posts.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Tell that to SBN
You don’t really own a conversation just because you begin it.
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
Reply fail
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 27, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bet you wish you could delete that comment and put it where it belongs...
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 27, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
heh
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 27, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want recommendations about where you can put it?
I didn’t think so.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hey now, I didn't say anything!
It was just a funny comment.
No maliciousness intended…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 99% sure Nico is joking.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Indeed.
In fact, my defense would be:
It was just a funny comment.
No maliciousness intended…
One should never take me seriously, most especially when I’m trying to be. I’m not serious about that, by the way. Seriously. Not.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
One thing I disagree with
In the main post, Uncle Leo says that deleting a post is a “virtual slap in the face to EVERYBODY” and “possibly the greatest insult one can bestow”. To me, that’s utterly ridiculous. I really don’t think it’s an insult at all, and I think those oversensitive commenters who take it so personally are as much a part of the problem as the oversensitive people who delete the posts.
That said, I voted “not sure”. I can see arguments both ways, and would happily go along with the consensus whichever way it is.
I’m not sure whom Uncle Leo imagines as the “leaders of AN” who might “remove the ability for a thread author to delete their entire thread”. If he means Nico and his team of mods, there’s little they can do. They can write it into the Community Guidelines that one oughtn’t do that, but as far as the actual functionality goes, pretty much the only thing they could do is make it a feature request for the next SBN software upgrade.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
by iglew on Nov 27, 2010 2:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Is the fence the same distance from the ground as the high horse?
Just checking [and trying to poke some fun at you]!
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 27, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
That's what has happened -- per my suggestion to les powers qui sont,
Les Rois Techies are working on a fix to change one’s ability to delete fanposts.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
There are times when deleting a post that is time sensitive seems like the right thing to do. I like having the ability to control my own posts.
I know I have done this when I have been organizing an event – for example – and wanted to get it off the list so another’s fan post about a topic could be available on the list. What if there was an “unpublish” feature that took it off the fanposts list but made the comments and thread available via the search function. It would still be there for people who are searching for it or for a comment within it. Just not as easily available.
CT ..."he’s not just an asshat with a mic" - cuppingmaster
Just ask your friendly neighborhood moderator to delete it for you!
AN: Friendly. Efficient. Strickouts. Boobies.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Not necessarily in that order
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necessarily Not in that order
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I guess I was going for friendlier.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What, are you an Anti-Boobite?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Nico's description of AN is strikingly similar to Bloom for men.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Is that a fragrance or a mens' magazine?
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 28, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
A couple thoughts....
1) There’s way too much conversation on this blog about the blog and the way it’s run
2) Who cares if people can delete their own threads or not? It’s a freakin’ blog!!!
by Brett Narloch on Nov 27, 2010 6:36 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I care.
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 27, 2010 6:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Um... not to state what should be incredibly obvious to you... but...
Do you think there would be any conversation taking place about the blog if people didn’t care?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I suppose what I should've said is...
no one should care about it.
by Brett Narloch on Nov 27, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, the approach of coming onto a thread
to tell people they shouldn’t care about the thread they appear to be happily caring about. That technique is proven effective!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I wish we could all be like him and totally ignore conversations we don't care about...
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I do that by going to other blogs. :)
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
Perhaps he's suggesting we should care less than he apparently does
You are underestimating the sneakiness.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I am curious
Have you ever written a comment in someone’s FanPost that took you a good 20 minutes to write? Research, stats, etc.? I’ve done it a few times, and usually end up checking those posts several times a day looking to see if anybody responded. I wrote a post in your FIP thread that was rec’d enough to be green that took me a decent amount of time to construct, and I was really happy when it went green; unlike some people, my posts don’t turn green very often. Call me stupid, but I’m proud of my work when I take the time to write something I feel is intelligent. If you were to delete that FanPost, I’d be upset. Have you ever written a comment like that? Wouldn’t you be upset if your comment and all the responses to it were deleted? Or think of it this way…would you be upset if a mod deleted your FIP FanPost just because they decided they didn’t want it up anymore? It seems like you put quite a lot of time and effort into the post, and I’d think it’d be pretty upsetting to have it deleted.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm actually the same way with my comments.
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Nov 28, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
No, but sometimes I do take 20 minutes
and when I do, I check back often for responses.
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
by Rebuilding Season on Nov 29, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
It took you 13 hours to think of that?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well said
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PxP: Self-promotion - How it works, Bunting, Pitch Counts, Managing, Run Expectancy, Streaks, Coors Effect
No.
I wouldnt care at all. If you like your writing so much you should copy and paste it on your own personal blog or HD. I forget 90% of the things I write here, baseball moves too fast to bother remembering old arguments and chatter about outdated news.
Also, the whole rec’ing thing is rather silly and is used in the BS “blog politics” more than anything. If you don’t like a certain poster, and if someone posts something that undermines their cred/reputation, you can rec it even if you don’t agree with the post. I think there should be a limit on rec’s of 3 per day so actual good posts can be highlighted instead of in-jokes and politics (not saying your post was undeserving or anything, its just how it is here).
This is incomprehensible to me.
Some of the stuff I do takes hours and hours of work, if not several days. How could I not be pissed if my work were to suddenly vanish? It’s not about keeping a backup copy for security. I don’t write it so I can read it, I write it so AN can read it. That’s its purpose. If my work disappeared, its purpose would be gone.
by danmerqury on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The difference is that your work is worth reading.....
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 29, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
And anyway,
even if you feel that way, surely you can understand that others may not agree with this point of view, and that they’d be pissed if their comments were suddenly gone.
No, I'm fairly confident he doesn't give a shit about other people's point of view let alone ever think about or understand it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
It is impressive how you justify the fact that very few of your posts get rec'ed
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
and youre the reason why
when you are that big a loser you feel like you have to run a smear campaign against someone just because they take the focus off you and your ego, you kind of win people over just by obsessively over-analyzing their posts.
Ive had some massively rec’d posts, I even had an editors pick recently. Its clearly politics why the same group of posters feel like they have to circle jerk each other all the time. I dont care enough to bother fighting it anymore, it is what it is.
Flagged (for real)
when you are that big a loser
No can do on AN.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ive had some massively rec’d posts, I even had an editors pick recently
You have had 1 post with more than 5 rec’s all year. Massively rec’ed indeed.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
The autofelatio isn't helping.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
The problem is that other people don't want to read my personal blog
They want to read AthleticsNation. And if I have a long, detailed post worth sharing with AthleticsNation, I’m going to post it. If it takes me a while to research and create, that’s just part of the process. If my work was then deleted, I’d be upset.
My post had nothing to do with the rec system, it had to do with having something you spent a considerable amount of time creating deleted without you having any say in the matter. You really wouldn’t care if your FanPost was deleted without warning? Really? Maybe we should make it AN policy to just delete PL78’s FanPosts as they’re written since you don’t seem to care if they exist or not. Why even make posts? If your feeling is that nothing that happens in this board matters not only in the long run, but in the short term, I have no idea why you post on this site.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 29, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Just to clarify. Only a mod or you can delete your fan posts.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I apologize if this sounds rude because it's not meant to,
But I’m not sure which part of my comment you’re referring to. If you’re talking about
If my work was then deleted, I’d be upsetI’m talking about me making a post on someone’s FanPost and them deleting it.
If you’re talking about
Maybe we should make it AN policy to just delete PL78’s FanPosts…I’m not suggesting I would delete it myself; It’s a hypothetical. I’m asking him why he would even bother to post something if it has no meaning to him in the short term, let alone the long term.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think if one really feels his/her post is in need of deletion,
he/she should be able to ask the mods to review the case. Maybe a freezing of the post would work as well, but I think giving a poster that much power is bad; threads are often filled with tons of great information, and deleting them deprives the community of something very valuable.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
by travdog6 on Nov 27, 2010 6:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And, I mean, we all know
us regular posters aren’t able to determine whether or not a thread is suitable for deletion. Giving us THAT much power…that’s like giving a monkey the keys to an amusement park!
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html
by hero66 on Nov 27, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait.
I thought we all agreed we had a fantastic time when we gave the monkey the keys. I know I had the time of my life.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Me too, at the time.
Who knew STDs could spread so fast?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Oh right...
{scratches}
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
This could be the best solution. Maybe we can have a "mark to delete" button that will flag it for the mods
Then if the mods find the reasoning valid, it’s gone. If not, the thread stays. Maybe the mods can also choose to keep a FanPost up, but lock comments in some situations.
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by thejd44 on Nov 27, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Give people the ability to lock their thread?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
If it's temporary till the mods respond, maybe it's not such a bad idea?
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Well, no real need to lock it in the meantime
Because either A) it’s deleted and everything goes away anyhow B) it stays C) It’s locked, possibly a couple hours after the person who started the FanPost requested. Some more comments may have come in, but I don’t see how that makes much difference.
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by thejd44 on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
The ability to request it
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 30, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
No. It's insulting to everybody else.
This is your punishment. Deal with it
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
As a side note
I think it would be pretty funny if UncleLeo deleted this thread.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 28, 2010 1:53 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Now you've got me thinking other things.
I want to make a FanPost in which I specifically promise that the post will be deleted, so people should add their comments knowing that they will be ephemeral and not permanently recorded.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I was planning on doing that
Now I have to do real work to post one. Thanks, Mark
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PxP: Self-promotion - How it works, Bunting, Pitch Counts, Managing, Run Expectancy, Streaks, Coors Effect
"The CGV That Never Was"
If tree makes an inflammatory political comment on a deleted thread, does it make a CGV?"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
AAAACKKKKK!!!!!!!
An end quote with no open quote — have I broken the internet?????
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm not a great fan of fanpost-deletion myself
but this poll is completely worthless as a means of testing anyone’s opinion. It’s the online equivalent of push-polling.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2010 3:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
There was never any illusion as to any scientific accuracy, so there's no need to get too worked up over it, but...
…I’m wondering about the poll itself right now (not the post, the poll).
At one point last night the ‘yes’ had 21 votes while the ‘no’ had 27, and the ‘no’ had been consistently slightly ahead by a similar margin from the beginning. Then late last night, in the space of about a half hour, the ‘yes’ option suddenly gained 24 votes and was leading 45-27. Very out-of-ordinary, and with little parallel comment activity.
Legit? Could be, but I’m curious. For a poll like this to meander it’s way consistently through the day, then suddenly explode in a short time frame on one side only, seems a bit odd… to put it politely.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Clearly night owls are strongly in favor of deleting posts
Which makes sense, as the most regrettable things you wish you could take back are often done shortly after midnight.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
There is a well-known exploit to the SBN polling process, so someone almost certainly "stuffed the ballot"
in which case… well, actually, my opinion on the poll is exactly the same as it was before. If you are not signed in, I think all you have to do to vote in a poll as many times as you want is to alter your IP address slightly, which (I’m not a techie) I understand is pretty easy to do.
minorleagueball had to resort to taking their votes on community prospects through posting messages in the thread itself because of rampant ballot-stuffing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
"Ballot stuffing", that's the phrase I was looking for,
I will refrain from doing polls on serious subjects in the future. Should I do a poll again, it will be for a subject like “What is you favorite uniform?”, or something similar.
The substance of the post, and the thread minus the poll, still stand.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Ahem.
“What is your favorite uniform?” is a VERY serious subject.
by whiteshoes40 on Nov 28, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Aha!
I know I voted for Al Gore in this poll.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If we can't talk about the Gibson HR...
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
YOU! NO MENTION HIS NAME!
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Flagged
for painfulness
Being called a poet as a rock ’n’ roll musician is like being called a physicist as a baseball player. It might have some application but it’s pretty remote. - Richard Hell
by fridaynightfan on Nov 29, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Nah it's simpler than that
You just need to reset your browser history and/or remove the cookie for AN. Some browsers make it really, really easy to cheat the system.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Oh, it's that simple?
I’ll do the “Who’s your favorite person in the world” in my next post
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PxP: Self-promotion - How it works, Bunting, Pitch Counts, Managing, Run Expectancy, Streaks, Coors Effect
The freaky thing about this is
that someone would actually care enough to bother to stuff the ballot on this poll. I mean, seriously? You really care that much how this silly poll turns out? I realize that AN is for people who have no life, but dang.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
by iglew on Nov 28, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
People were doing it for the community prospect poll for guys ranked like #80 on the list
Some people are just incorrigible cheats.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Hey, I truly believed in Blake Crosby.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I voted for Sidd Finch
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 28, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
You felt that this...
but this poll is completely worthless as a means of testing anyone’s opinion.
…was necessary in making your point about the validity of the poll? Why did you use that choice of words? Did it occur to you, when you wrote this, that it had an unfriendly tone to it? And if it did, was that the desired effect you were seeking?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 28, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, it did, and yes, that was exactly the desired effect
Push-polling is asinine.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Good to know
I personally don’t see the value in an unfriendly tone without provocation. But then again I wouldn’t go as far as calling unfriendly tone without provocation worthless since others may see the value it.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 28, 2010 12:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't always post for maximum persuasive effect
Sometimes I post to express my feelings on a subject.
My feelings on the subject of push-polling are extremely negative and I am going to be unfriendly to anyone who uses that tactic.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This is an obvious attempt to lure DFA back onto AN.
It’s the online equivalent of push-polling.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 28, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Hah
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
My first thought.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. –Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Hes right it is a push poll
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions
It worked!
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. –Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
In fairness, he did come back to confirm that he was still gone. ;-)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I think he'll let us know (while he's gone)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well obviously if i can get my issues resolved id prefer not to leave.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I think the community's feedback is right on:
Don’t “leave” or “not leave.” Take a break. Relax, breathe, enjoy life, and then come back around.
This isn’t a dilemma like, “Should I quit my job?” This is one more like, “Should I go into the other room?”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
As I said in the other thread Im going to take a break
Though, honestly Id rather quit my job than AN. I really need to figure out how to monetize the time I spend here.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW, I have had several times where I've quit AN forever,
and then realized what I really need to do is just to take a 3-month break. I usually only make it for 4 days, but at least my intentions are more dramatic.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well this is the first time ive quit.
Though I have taken breaks before its rather harder than you imagine when you say it. Especially when a lot of the meta is about you anyway.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
I have quit before too.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 30, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I noticed that you didn't touch the portion of DFA's comment about getting paid
Why is that?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 30, 2010 4:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think he was joking.
“If I got paid to be on AN, I could quit my job.” There are many ahead of him in line if I had the ability to compensate contributors — which is nothing against DFA, it’s just that there are many on here who have toiled longer and harder, such as our front page writers.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Heh
That and you’d have to be paid quite a bit for it to be worth quitting a job.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
it was a joke
i do not think i should be paid
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 30, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I'm glad you were only joking
I was concerned that you had unrealistic expectations.
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 1, 2010 3:24 AM PST up reply actions
nope not unrealistic.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Dec 1, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't sure
Why compensate people who will freely provide contributions of their time and talents when they seem to get enough intrinsic benefit they way things are now?
by LowcountryJoe on Dec 1, 2010 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
I would have to do way more writing to get paid.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Dec 1, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
To thank and reward them
for being the most important part of AN, and to not “take advantage of them just because you can”?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
this
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Dec 2, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
/sees that others have already made this joke
Why can’t I delete this comment?
Would you like me to delete it for you?
My rates are very competitive.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Tell me Nico's offer and I'll do it for 5% less.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I offered to pay $50.00.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hey Iggs, ya got $47.50?
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 28, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'll trade
Taking away thread deletion rights for the thread author being able to delete posts in the thread that do not pertain to the conversation
/listens to the sounds of 10,000 crickets chirping
:)
Trusting you to delete "off-topic" comments in a thread
is like trusting Joseph Stalin with the keys to the electric chair.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Our UK friends call it "perspex"
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 28, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
that sounds far more kinky.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 28, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
OOoohhhh, new word excitement!
Being called a poet as a rock ’n’ roll musician is like being called a physicist as a baseball player. It might have some application but it’s pretty remote. - Richard Hell
by fridaynightfan on Nov 29, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
so, its, um, clearly impossible to joke around here now?
with a built-in joke AND a smiley face into the post, it still gets a stone face comment from you 3.
lighten up.
Are you kidding?
That was possibly my best burn of the year.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 28, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Weenies delete threads
I’m glad management is taking steps to curtail this.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
oy
AN: Where we cannibalize each other in the offseason because we’re bored.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
In fairness, we also do it during the season when games start not going our way.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I've got some fava beans
I just need a nice Chianti.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 28, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm probably made of soybeans at this point. ;/
...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.
I took a bit of a post-season vacation from AN - except for some occasional lurking.
Today, I just want to say that the threads and meta-threads of the last two days make me superproud [sic] to be an A’s fan and a member of this community. Abso-f*^$ing-lutely hysterical. Touching and poignant. Occasionally touchy and pig-headed. Never dumb. Except when it is. And then there’s plenty of folks around to explain why. AN: Never stop.
P.S. Feel free to correct my grammar and spelling.
P.P.S. Please don’t delete this thread.
P.P.P.S. My name is Jeff. But don’t call me that please, as I won’t answer.
P.P.P.P.S. Let Jack play.
Your poem here.
Cache Creek!
That is all.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm still pretending that Paris is your first name
because that would be awesomely cool.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Agreed.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And everyone I've ever known or read about named Paris has been an EXCEPTIONAL person
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I only know of Paris from Gilmore Girls.
by LoneStranger on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Hilton
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Everyone without herpes?
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
the dude who killed Achilles.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
That fucking heal finally did him in.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
It was a long last stand...
or was that just the Led Zeppelin song about it?
"Burt Reynolds witnessed the conception of his own dad, and frankly, that's what's wrong with him."- TPDMTD!
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 29, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
good to see you around these parts, GOG answer-master
Don’t be a stranger :-)
I have NO rooting interest. It simply become[s] a process of elimination of who I dislike less. - 67MARQUEZ
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 29, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
The obvious comeback to a new rule instituted
Is that a post creator will simply “edit” all the information out of his post and change the minimum text requirement to asl;kjfsdlfkjas;flkjasdfl;kjasdflka;sdjfasd;lkfjasldkfjasd;lkfjsdalfkjasdlfjsadlfjsdalfkjasdfljsd….but at least the comments will still exist.
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 29, 2010 10:40 AM PST reply actions
I'm less concerned with what people do with their own words...
…than I am concerned what they do with other people’s words.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Did you steal that off of Nomura's Twitter?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No, but it is Danish for
Bobby Crosby is a giant donut
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 29, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Just curious
But after the FP is no longer deletable, is it possible to have the programmers either allow a removal of the minimum character block or give a special button to supply a “I removed the text” generic message?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I don't know, but I say
let’s start with getting the change done by 2017 and go from there.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
As someone who has deleted a live thread I think that I have an interesting perspective.
Having done so I am far far far less likely to do so again. I didn’t realize that it would upset people as much as it did. Further, I think what PL78 did, which was deleting a thread because he was proven wrong is cowardly, though not particularly unexpected, and I would never delete a post because I was proven wrong.
That being said I absolutely think that a person owning their own thread is important to participation here. I don’t know how to achieve that without allowing people to delete their thread. Therefore I think the ability should stay put as is and perhaps a section of the community guidelines could be added similar to swearing that suggests that deleting threads after a significant number of comments have been made is in poor form and multiple and repeated deletions can end up as a CGV if they prove significantly disruptive would be a good compromise.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 29, 2010 9:44 PM PST reply actions
Owning your thread
I think it’d work better if they could instead add a “close comments” feature that can’t be undone. I can’t see any reason someone would need to delete a thread that wouldn’t entail a mod deleting it for them, such as personal attacks, etc.; the only thing I can think of is that the author is unhappy with the direction the thread is going. With a “close comments” feature, if the author is unhappy with the direction the thread is going they can close it for comments, and if the other people wish to continue the discussion they can start a new FanPost. That way, the other people would at least have the old thread as a reference for their discussion.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
The reason for the "no undoing it" part
is so the author can’t close it for comments at a whim on and off. Closing a thread would be akin to deleting it but keeping all the comments in the archive; no one would be able to comment further, but everyone’s posts would still exist.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really like the 'close comments' idea at all
What’s to prevent someone from posting something and trying to close comments prematurely? I’m sure that would get slapped down quickly but all it takes is abusing it once to see it complained about. I don’t buy that people should be able to close comments once they start getting bothered by the direction something heads in. They have no control over that.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
If the comments are closed while the discussion is going on,
Someone that was participating can start a new FanPost about that discussion. It seems like a much better alternative than the author deleting their FanPost. Obviously the ideal solution is to not delete OR close comments, but it doesn’t seem like that’s a viable solution.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Why is it not a viable solution?
The SBN license agreement appears to preserve an author’s right to take down their own words (though I can’t figure out why someone would want to do that, as it seems utterly childish), but otherwise, it’s fair game (tech issues notwithstanding).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I was just saying given the fact that we're even having this discussion
It will obviously continue to be an issue if people delete FanPosts with numerous comments in them.
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
Continuing a theme from above, I do not understand this need by some people to control everything. This is shared writing, not a bloody novel about to be published.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
There is still one day left of NaNoWriMo.
If we all worked hard today, we could shared-write a novel!
by LoneStranger on Nov 30, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
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