A possible RF solution??
by MMunoz33 on Nov 23, 2010 10:39 AM PST
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PrintHow about trading for Andrew McCutchen from the Pirates to play RF for Oakland next year??
Maybe Pittsburgh could use LHP Bobby Cramer, INF Steve Tolleson, & OF Ryan Sweeney to get the deal done?
Here is McCutchen's stats for the 2010 season;
Season Team G PA H HR R RBI SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ Fld WAR
2010 Pirates 154 653 163 16 94 56 33 . 286 .365 .449 .363 129 -14.4 3.3
It seems Beane has been targeting players from the smaller market/ limited payrolls teams here lately, so maybe this could fit the bill??
Any thoughts AN??
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Is there any indication that he's on the block?
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trading-young-cheap-and-elite-talent/
Every man for himself...
This isn't really any indication
This is just another post that says that McCutchen is a cool player that would be good on your team. Upton is a possible trade target because the DBacks have actively made it known that they will listen to offers for McCutchen; as far as I know the Pirates haven’t done this with McCutchen.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
This was the SBN Pirates' blog's response to this, FWIW
tl;dr version: trading him makes no sense unless you’re absolutely destroying someone’s farm system in the process.
I like the idea MM
Not a ton of power but a signifgant upgrade over anyone we have in house right now.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
That deal would absolutely--never, ever--get that deal done.
Cramer is a junk heap starting pitcher that had a good few games. Tolleson was a backup infielder’s backup. Sweeney’s coming off major knee surgery. McCutchen was a top prospect who has put up two 3.3 WAR in his age 22 and 23 seasons. If we’re calling Pittsburgh about him, we’re talking more like Grant Green as a starting point.
What I was going to say
McCutchen would be an amazing addition, but that package SUCKS.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
yup
it’ll start at cahill.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Cramer, Sweeney, and Tolleson?!?
From the same article you linked:
There is little to no chance that the Pirates do this. After all, even if they are a half decade away from contention they still might have McCutchen around to be a part of it…Given his age, talent, and salary, a team could end up paying more for him than for Upton.
You think you get Upton for Cramer, Sweeney, and Tolleson?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Yeah that was a horrible offer...
FAIL!!
Maybe we can offer Josh Outman, Andrew Bailey, Michael Taylor, and Ryan Sweeney??
Every man for himself...
Sub Green for Sweeney....
and I still think the Pirates probably don’t do the deal.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I was thinking more like...
Green, Krol, Stassi, Cardenas
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
thats not even close.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Damn
I had written Carter first, then erased it for some reason, then forgot to write it back. It was supposed to be Carter, Green, Krol, Stassi, Cardenas. I’m sure you won’t believe that it was an error of omission, but whatever works.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Thats close
Why wouldn’t I believe you?
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Because it looks like I'm just trying not to look stupid
Guess I’m just a pessimist
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Closer, but still way, way off.
McCutchen is a young, cheap star. If he was playing anywhere besides Pittsburgh, he’d be a superstar. You’d have to back up the money truck to get anything done. Start thinking a Haren-to-AZ type deal.
Really?
i think that deal + Taylor might just get it done. Or maybe Weeks instead..?
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
What is in that deal that has any value?
Josh Outman is coming off TJ surgery, and even if he’s fully back to normal, he’s not much more than a fifth starter. Bailey is a legit closer. Taylor a foot away from being a failed prospect. Sweeney is coming off knee surgery, and offers very limited upside anyway. That deal is basically Bailey plus a bunch of filler, and that’s nowhere near what McCutchen is worth.
by danmerqury on Nov 23, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They signed Bobby Crosby,so maybe Beane can trick their management for our fodder??
Every man for himself...
Just tell them hes scrappy or something
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
But does Scrappy still shit the bed?
If so, it might be a deal breaker!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
To be a back up in a non contending season.
and then they traded his ass.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
They gave Crisby $1 million to be a backup IF
And then traded him. That wasn’t much of a risk on the Pirates’ end.
by OaklandSi on Nov 23, 2010 3:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wrote Crosby
But the iPhone changed it. That’s how small an investment that signing was.
by OaklandSi on Nov 23, 2010 3:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That one is awesome.
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I've never seen this website, thanks!
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
this.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
No, not even close.
You don’t get young, cost controlled elite talent without giving up young, cost controlled, elite talent.
One of Anderson/Cahill/Gio is a staritng point.
by Blicks on Nov 23, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But didn't the article indicate
that the Pirates need bats and position players? That their two best prospects were pitchers? I don’t think that deal is unfair at all, if the Pirates are looking to get a haul for the future….
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
They might need bats and position players
But we don’t have that ourselves. The only value we have to give up would be pitching. And the only pitching worth value right now is Anderson/Cahill/Gio as a starting point.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
But they are not going to contend for at least 3-5 years
which was one of the points of the article…..
So Gio, Cahill, Anderson….stay here.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I'm not saying we do it,
I’m saying that’s the only thing of value we’d have to work with on something like that. It may need to involve a third party.
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BLOOM. For men.
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Anderson/Cahill/Gio a staritng point.
for a 3.3 WAR OF??
He’s not Justin Upton yet…
Every man for himself...
Well, he did outperform him last year by 1/10 of a win according to FanGraphs.
Look, McCutchen isn’t hyped very much because he plays for the Pirates. If he played for the Red Sox, you’d hear about him as much as you do Jacoby Ellsbury. But he’s a lot better than Ellsbury, and a lot younger. Imagine going to the Red Sox and offering that package for Ellsbury. That’s the problem here.
And the Pirates are so desperate for talent that they’d be nuts to trade him in the first place unless it was a Haren-esque deal (like the Green, Stassi, Carter, Cardenas, Krol package CaliforniaJag brought up). The Anderson/Gonzalez/Cahill starting point wouldn’t be a bad idea is because pitchers are fragile beings. Injuries for pitchers are far more often career-enders than they are for position players.
Good point on the injuries
But I agree with you (and others) that the Pirates would have no desire to move him.
The Oakland A's: If you have a no-trade clause in your contract, we're in it.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 23, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
A little off topic but I found this article to be quite interesting
on Daric Barton and Bret Gardner
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
A little more off topic, but a Trade scenario nonetheless...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=Am8zZQCwMdvdGdKC4KmXdIRvLYF?slug=ti-hotstovecolumn110910
“The Arizona Diamondbacks are shopping Mark Reynolds and looking for contact hitters and bullpen help. Though Juan Gutierrez had a decent run as the Diamondbacks’ closer, they’d be deeper with him in the eighth and using an established closer in the ninth. Might Kevin Towers take a shot on his old pal Trevor Hoffman?”
Contact Hitters & Bullpen Help for Mark Reynolds? That sounds like a match made in heaven for us. Ryan Sweeney + Adrian Cardenas + Brad Ziegler for Mark Reynolds? PlanB if Adrian Beltre deal falls through?
by Colorado Fan on Nov 23, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Reynolds has Oakland on his no trade list. Sorry.
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So, the end
People have been traded to their “no trade list” before, no? He just can’t be traded to Oakland w/o his consent, correct?
by Colorado Fan on Nov 23, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Usually this would involve the guarantee that we would Reynolds a lucrative, multi-year deal
I feel this is a common reason players block trades to teams; they would prefer to build rapport with a winning team that is in the business of keeping their stars around. Nobody blocks a trade to the Yankees; if you perform for them, they give you a fat contract. With the As its the opposite; if you perform for them, you go somewhere else.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I should clarify that if you perform for the As, you go somewhere else when your contract is up.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Reynolds is signed thru 2012...
w/ a team option of 11M for 2013. Change that to a 2013 player option.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/arizona-diamondbacks_10.html
by Colorado Fan on Nov 23, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Does he? I know Upton does, but didn't recall see this.
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also our front office already says that we don't want him
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
“The Front Office” is saying we want Adrian Beltre, Kevin Kouzmanoff, and Edwin Encarnacion.
“The Front Office” already said we would come into the 2011 season with the same 25-Man Roster as 2010.
“The Front Office” says a lot of untruthful things in order to keep negotiation talks in their favor.
by Colorado Fan on Nov 23, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well the AZ front office doesn't have a reason to lie about us having no interest in Reynolds which is who leaked it.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
The more teams involved, the better leverage for negotiation. These “sources” seem to only want their tweets read.
by Colorado Fan on Nov 23, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
is it really I mean the dude proposed giving two guys who were waived last year and weren't any good and a dude who was severely injured for McCutchen
it think its exactly appropriate. At least people though Crosby had some upside in the Crosby for Pujols deals.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on how you view fail images
The guy asked a question and is trying legitimately to explore trade options to improve his team. If you view it as humorous and snarky, then it’s appropriate, considering how off the original proposal was. If you view it as a guy angrily screaming FAIL in your face, then its harsh, since the guy is making an effort to learn more about the trade process.
I do not hold a solution to the above quandary; such is the internet.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It does include the phrase but thanks for trying!
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, what phrase?
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
He forgot the quotation marks
Should’ve read:
It does include the phrase “but thanks for trying!”
Make more sense?
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I see, yes it does make more sense.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
It does say thanks for trying...
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This is DFA filling in for mikev in the morning!
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
your back. Yay now I can go back to being an asshole and don't have to worry about being funny.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know, I like when you're both.
Adds that extra flair to things.
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well i guess its the hollidays so i can add an extra little flair for you DMOAS
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
How many times do I have to tell you people Charlie Sheen lives NEXT door?
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
{walks away dejected}
I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 23, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
That is a helluva way to go out
I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 23, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
McCutchen to Oakland?
I wouldn’t mind this happening. I would trade Sweeney in a heartbeat for him. His production is higher than Ryan’s and has speed. But the lineup still would lack some pop. He would be like a Rajai replacement with starting time.
Anyone would trade Sweeney in a heartbeat for him. That should tell you that no one would trade him for Sweeney.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Andrew McCutchen
I think he basically sucks and is severely overrated. I don’t see him as anything approaching an elite talent, and the thought of giving up some of the proposed packages for him almost makes me physically ill.
He has average-at-best power, a crap glove, just enough speed to get caught stealing a lot without helping the team much, and some decent contact hitting ability. And he looks good in jeans. Classic example of the sort of player who is drastically overrated by BA and their ilk. Forget about it— not interested under any circumstances. There is no possibility that any trade package that is acceptable to Pittsburgh would also be acceptable to me.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2010 1:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I need to do some digging but there was an article with a theory about this
The Pirates apparently play a weird shift that could put McCutchen out of position according to UZR. He might not be good defensively, but it’s possible he’s not as bad as UZR has him.
Is he any better than Matt Kemp?
People talk about him and feel the exact same way PT does about McCutchen. Whats the difference between the two?
You mean besides the fact that Kemp has a 5 WAR season under his belt
and is almost assuredly NOT really a -24 defender since he was -2 and +3 the previous two seasons, and would be way easier to acquire than McCutcheon?
Kemp may not be a ton better, but he’s a much more viable option.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Kemp is both a better player AND more obtainable
He’s strictly better than McCutchen for our purposes.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Again with the pointless hyperbole....
McCutchen has put up two straight 3.3 WAR seasons at just age 22 and 23. While he might not be an elite player, that’s still very good no matter how you slice it, and it certainly does not warrant him being described as “basically sucks”. I enjoy a good rant against BA and their methods any day but it’s laughably out of place here.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was very lucky, given his skillset, to amass those seasons
and will get worse in the future.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
What parts of his skillset are giving you pause?
He’s already fulfilling some power potential (16 homers last year). I have no idea what you mean by the caught stealings — he’s stolen at a 79% clip for his career. He’s already done all that by age 23. I wouldn’t bet against him eventually hitting 20+ homers a year.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
What luck did he have last season?
The only part of his 2010 season that looks strange is his UZR, which will likely improve some.
I don’t see anything in his offensive line that looks unrepeatable, and certainly not to any degree that would make him “basically suck.”
I'd put money on him not hitting 16 home runs again next year
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Why?
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
All of his 2010 HR were pulled, many were not very far over the fence at all,
and he doesn’t have a strong track record of power hitting from his minor league career.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He was always projected to develop pretty good power though
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
Link?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And if so, see Sweeney, Ryan.
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BLOOM. For men.
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The part about power potential was from 2008 or so, but...
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 24, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
PECOTA lists some of McCutchen’s top comparable players as Scott Fletcher, Dave Martinez, Shannon Stewart, Chuck Knoblauch and Gary Thurman
Whoopee!
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Chuck Knoblauch!
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 25, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps McCutchen too can develop an inexplicable psychiatric disorder which makes him worthless as a player
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
P-E-C-O-T-A
spells G-O-D
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html
I was referring to this paragraph
After hitting .321 in Spring Training, McCutchen returned to Altoona for 2007 and struggled to a 233/298/345 line through the end of June, although he was able to recover to the tune of 309/372/447 from there to the end of the season, including 17 games in Triple-A Indianapolis. Baseball Prospectus continued to rate him highly, “McCutchen has plus power potential and speed with outstanding range in center field and remains the one Pirates prospect with definite star potential.” He continued in Triple-A for all of 2008 and the first two months of 2009, hitting 283/372/398 and 303/361/493, finally getting the call to Pittsburgh in June 2009.
Not saying it’s a sure thing by any means; just that Baseball Prospectus said he had plus power potential in response to your request for a link stating that he was projected to develop power.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 25, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I know, I'm just amused by the comparables list
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It is pretty hilarious
Though I’m sure our prospects’ comps aren’t so great either. Chris Carter = Wily Mo Pena or something
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 26, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
And that will make him "basically suck?"
He’s now hit 28 HRs in 1000 AB at age 22-23. However much his power regresses toward his minor league numbers, it will likely be balanced out by further growth as he reaches his peak.
More to the point, McCutchen would still be a better than average player if he only hit 10 HRs per season. The .286/.365 BA/OBP he put up in both 2009 and 2010 looks to be very repeatable. The “basically sucks” comment is, as lenscrafters noted, just more pointless hyperbole.
Again, if anything looks out of place about McCutchen’s 2010 season it’s his UZR.
Yes, of course it's hyperbole
He is not valueless as a player. If the Pirates waived him, I would claim him on waivers. That is not going to happen. Neither is a trade based on the ridiculously light package in the OP. In anything approaching the real world, a trade for him is one which I would hate and find stupid.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
No, I think you had it right the first time.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Would you mind listing the 4 professional baseball players you consider to be any good?
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Nov 23, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Scott Brosius.
Scott Brosius is all four of them.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
that was actually really funny
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Pam liked my old sig better.
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"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Albert Pujols. Hanley Ramirez. Josh Hamilton. Troy Tulowitzki.
Oh and Ryan Zimmerman.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Wow, I was not expecting this opinion
A 24 year old who in 1146 PA has amassed a .365 wOBA with a sustainable .318 BABIP is overrated?
>10% BB rate and <20% K rate, I mean, everything he’s done with the bat thus far in the Majors makes sense.
Perhaps you’re right, but I seem him being a +5 WAR player if and when his defense improves, which I believe it will.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 1:45 AM PST up reply actions
How much brighter would our future look with Desme
Jesus Christ
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
Isn't Jesus Christ precisely the problem here?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hah
pun intended
Work as if everything depends on you and Pray knowing that everything depends on God. - Michael Taylor
by supermarc589 on Nov 23, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, couldn't he have done both?
Be a priest who plays baseball. I’m sure they do Sunday services he could lead. I’m sure he “spread his message” like other baseball players wherever he goes. Sigh…
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Obviously he felt like he couldn't do both.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
"If a pitcher throws a fastball into the left side of your ribcage, turn to him the right side of your ribcage also."
“If a manager asks you to pinch-run from first base to second, pinch-run to third base as well.”
“Father forgive Bob Geren, for he knows not what he is doing.”
“What shall it profit a man if he gains a .400 wOBA but loses 40 points on his UZR?”
“It is easier for Rajai Davis to receive a base-on-balls than for a Kevin Kouzmanoff fly ball to pass beyond the outfield wall.”
“For we walk by facing C.J. Wilson, not by facing Cliff Lee.”
“For everyone who exalts himself will be traded, and he who is traded will be exalted.”
“Let him who is without FIP cast the first pitch.”
“Greater is he that is in the lineup, than he that is on the DL.”
"No one has an excellent designated hitter and puts him in a place where he will be hidden, or in Sacramento. Instead he puts the DH in the lineup, so that those who come to the game may see an effective offense."
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
My personal favorite was the Matthew 23:12/Luke 14:11 one.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
okay these are pretty funny
rec’d
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 23, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
The Pirates are not trading McCutchen.
No chance. Nada.
He’s a good player who they see as elite. Any trade for him will almost certainly screw over whichever team trades for him.
A more realistic RF solution: Josh Willingham, who the Nats are much more eager to trade now than when the A’s first inquired about him. They want pitching prospects.
And since this is as good of a place to put it as any…The Tigers have signed Victor Martinez to a 4 year 50 million dollar contract. While I don’t know if this will affect the Red Sox’s willingness to go higher on Beltre, it almost certainly takes another bidder out of the Crawford/Werth sweepstakes…which means the Angels are probably going to land one.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Isn't somebody supposed to be non-tendered by the Padres soon? What about looking there?
Willingham’s fielding in LF has been not so great, and he hasn’t played RF more than a handful of times.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Gwynn Jr.
He’s not a starting option. He’s basically a cheaper, worse hitting, better fielding Rajai.
I like Willingham cause the price for him likely won’t be that high and his bat is more than enough to make up for any defensive issues. Plus, I don’t know if nsj’s inquiry (whether or not having two great defensive outfielders is enough to make up for the shortcomings of a third) was ever answered, but I’m certainly willing to tolerate Willingham’s slightly below average D since we already have Crisp and DeJesus and Sweeney backing up.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh wait...if you meant Ludwick like PT mentioned, then you're right, I wouldn't mind having him.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take him.
Not bad as a cheap pinch runner, right? Rather have him over Buck.
There's some thought that Ryan Ludwick might be nontendered, yes
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Originally, my comment was going to be Ludwick, but then I checked up on him.
Looks like the Padres are going to offer him arbitration, so someone else is getting nontendered.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
You would imagine it would be Gwynn, with Maybin on the roster now.
Gwynn’s of little value as a LF.
The A's don't really have any pitching prospects to trade...
I guess they might like Ian Krol. Past that, it’s pretty much a wasteland right now. And dealing off yet another prospect for a one-year rental doesn’t exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I was thinking more along the lines of Ross+, but that might even be too much.
Then again, I’m not that high on Ross.
This offseason has already seen Dan Uggla traded for a remarkably underwhelming package. Willingham is a lesser player who’s coming off an injury in a similar situation (management has also made it clear they want to trade him). Otherwise, I wouldn’t be suggesting him as a plausible option.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless of who we move for him, the one-year rental thing is a problem.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm actually seeing it as a good thing, but ok.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Why is it a good thing?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Because he will come cheap.
Willingham isn’t a guy you want for the long term anyways. He’s going to be 32 next year, has injury issues, and his defensive shortcomings are barely acceptable as it is. No telling how he’ll be 2, 3 years from now.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
So (and this may be putting our socks on over our boots here)
what’s the answer in 2012 for RF?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
CoJack? Carter? Sweeney?
I’m not thrilled with the idea of an in house option, but its not like we don’t have a major league player available. We could also still go with Magiggles, which is a not terrible option.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, say again?
I’m afraid I’m not down with the Magiggles lingo.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Just my nickname for Magglio Ordonez
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Is there a possibility that the pitching prospect wasteland only looks barren because the class of 2010 hasn't pitched much yet?
Albeit in very small sample size, our pitching class from last year looked pretty impressive to me.
Tyler Vail, Matt Thomson, A. J. Griffin, Drew Tyson, etc. look solid. I especially like Thomson for some weird reason, no idea why. Although I’m sure what’s happening here is that almost every other organization has ten guys just like these guys, and I’m overrating our depth in comparison to other teams’.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
The latter, I think
I mean, none of those guys were drafted in the top four rounds. Thomson might have been if other teams had seen his stuff at its current level rather than run-down like it was in college. Vail is a project player who the team will be hoping adds velocity to his fastball. Most of the rest of those guys are bullpen arms, and not wildly exciting ones, either.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Even assuming Andrew McCutchen is on the market
and he is as good as advertised, why do people think Cahill or Anderson is “a good starting point” rather than the whole package? I always figured McCutchen and Anderson are about equal in terms of value.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM PST reply actions
They are.
A starting point can be the whole package.
But, you’re not getting McCutchen without giving up one of Anderson/Cahill/Gio. You just aren’t.
Cahill Cahill Cahill
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think this would be an excellent trade for the Athletics and a terrible trade for the Pirates.
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
and
it will not happen except in a Pixar movie
I'm here to talk about Don
by OptimistPrime on Nov 23, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, Pixar makes movies about talking insects and toys that are alive, OK?
They keep it in the realm of the possible.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 23, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like you are saying this plan might not be foolproof
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I do think we can and should trade for Buzz Lightyear, though.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Reporter: Buzz, how many runs do you think you’re likely to give up this year?
Buzz: To infinity and beyond!!!
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Maybe we should hire him as our manager instead.
“So Buzz, how much of a d-bag was that umpire out there today?”
“To infinity…and beyond!”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
"Buzz, you wrecked your Honda! Where will you shop for a new car?"
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 24, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
"Well, I know a guy down in the South Beach who restores old Camaros, I was thinking of buying one from him."
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
We are not trading for an elite (or even close to elite) young, team-controlled talent
We don’t have the high-end prospects to get this done. The only way that the A’s can create a fair package for a player in the Upton/McCutchen range would make us worse in the present and no better in the future. (Note: by no better in the future, i mean that we’ll probably be a non-playoff team with or without Upton/McCutchen)
Almost any team can create packages that would work for those kinds of talents, but for a lot of teams it just doesn’t make sense. We’re one of those teams.
We will have to be satisfied with free agents (Beltre), good (not great) trade targets (Wilingham), and if we’re lucky great players with less team control (Choo? probably a pipe dream though). I think we can still be good with these kinds of moves, but Upton/McCutchen-types just won’t work unless their GM is an idiot of monstrous proportions.
Yay idiot of monstrous proportions GMs!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
McCutcheon would be a great addition
If he’s available I’m sure that Billy would go after him aggressively. He would be a great addition
wow
BB will not be going after him…little better numbers than Rajai…16hrs? we need 25-30 hr power…rumors are Berkman, Matsui, Beltre….not light hitting Of’ers
Ray Fosse thinks Pete Rose is a prick......
No, we need good hitters
And when a guy who’s just turned 24 years old puts up the kind of offensive numbers that Mccutchen has, well, he’s something special.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I'm down with him, too
You’d think a guy that fast wouldn’t be such a terrible fielder. Perhaps he’d be better in LF?
Not sure who we’d have to give up, though. Perhaps Ross + Stassi + someone else?
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 24, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
As much as we can yell and scream "Good hitters, not power hitters!" here
I don’t think Beane is on board with it, with all this Matsui talk :/
Not just the Matsui talk.
The Cust talk as well. It’s almost as if Beane is yelling and screaming, “Power hitters, not good hitters!”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I'd call "current Cust" more of a power hitter than "current Matsui"
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"Bad hitters, not good hitters!"
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
"Injured fielders, not incompetent fielders!"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
"No blood for oil!"
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
No taxation without representation?
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 25, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, but there's been no Matsui talk from actual A's sources
That’s all been speculation on the part of Slusser, Lee and Urban.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, I'm not sure about Slusser or Lee
but when I talked to Urban he did say that Beane said he was interested in Matsui. JFTR…
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
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Pam liked my old sig better.
I more than doubt this
Considering Beane has a strict policy of not talking about Free Agents.
To anyone.
So why would he suddenly decide to tell Urban?
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
You would have to ask him....
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
dang, 16 homers
oh wait, that would have led our team…and he is 23 years old…
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
If we really are going after a DH, like rotowire suggests
I say we put Cust in RF, and throw the rest of the money at Beltre and or a pitcher. Not really my favorite scenario, but it could work.
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"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
My pipe dream scenario
would be to go after Konerko and Beltre and just use in-house pitching options. Paulie could DH and cover for Barton at first when injured/needs days off and Cust could split time at DH/RF.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 24, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
That's not awful.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like the thought of Barton not playing 155+ games
Rosales/whoever the backup C is can sub for him for the other 7 random games. If he gets hurt long-term….see we have this guy named Chris Carter.
Who apparently really cannot handle 1B
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"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Pretty much every scouting report on his defense I've ever read is extermely negative,
mainly with his ability to field groundballs and regarding his hands. That’s why LF, in spite of being more difficult, is more plausible.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I stand by my point
None of those links say he will be incredibly terrible at 1B, in fact the BR one says “he’s an OK first baseman”, nothing near “incredibly terribly” like all the doom-and-gloomers around here imply. He’s a perfect guy to keep in the organization until he’s OPSing 1200 at AAA then we can make room for him somehow. If Barton gets hurt long-term, Carter is the only player I want to see at 1B for the A’s.
Can you link that one?
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"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Oh I got it. I thought you meant BBRef.
It says
He also has hard hands and doesn’t field the ball well.
And later that he’s passable at 1B. That’s literally the only decent thing I’ve read about his defense, ever.
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"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Have you already forgotten the words of Father Desme?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 25, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
400+ wOBA?!?
He can take a dump in the OF for all I care if he can manage that.
You realize Ryan Howard had only done this once in his career?
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 26, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Occasional embarrassing plays notwithstanding, yeah, it's an option
I think the lineup with Berkman and Cust in it is probably about as formidable as it can get absent a Crawford or Werth signing.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You know. If that's the plan (Cust RF Berkman DH) I'm not HORRIBLY against it.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
It's plausible because there are so many more DHs than decent RFs on the market right now
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Maybe Cust can have a Kouzmanoff like fluke UZR year
and be like.. -3
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Pam liked my old sig better.
He did improve in the outfield once he realized sticking his glove in front of his face
and thereby blocking his view of the ball was a bad idea. Shitty range, meh arm, but can now catch the ball hit to him, isn’t too horribly bad. Just nowhere near good or average.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I think that would be pretty tolerable.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Is Berkman really a worse OFer than Cust?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
He hasn't played OF since like 2007.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
And his UZR that year would make a grown man weep...
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
yet, he still thinks he can play the outfield
I’m pretty sure I’d rather have Frank Thomas out there
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 24, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Thing is
These players (him, Dunn, etc) have absolutely no clue how much they’re costing teams by playing the OF. Do you really think more than a tiny amount of ballplayers know the real value of defense?
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Especially with a good defensive COFer in the mix for innings 8 and 9
Since not Rajai, perhaps Sweeney.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Possible scenario
Urban made a cooment a few weeks back about Barton being traded
Ray Fosse thinks Pete Rose is a prick......
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Pam liked my old sig better.
by mikev on Nov 24, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
You know BB, trade a good player while they still have value and before they get too expensive
Ray Fosse thinks Pete Rose is a prick......
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Depends on if other teams value him properly
If they see “10 HR first baseman” and that’s it, no thanks. If they see his wOBA and fielding stats, he could be worth moving.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 24, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
If he gets us someone who is worth 5.5 WAR, then sure.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Barton isn't being traded
let’s not even think about that
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
we sign
beltre, dunn,matsui and Japanese pitcher…..move carter to the one bag…gez whats BB waiting for? lol
Ray Fosse thinks Pete Rose is a prick......
I'll assume by your "lol" that you realize this is a horrible idea.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
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