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Taylor, Cardenas, Magnuson, Brown, Doolittle Added to 40-Man Roster

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This is nothing short of terrifying.

I just cannot fathom not tendering Cust a contract. Inexpensive, coming off a great year in which his stats should look good to even the non SABR community. Even if you do think he’s gonna fall off a cliff, which I think is a reasonable belief (although I personally don’t buy into it), tendering him a contract seems like a no brainer because he should have some trade value.

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by travdog6 on Nov 19, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Eh.

Compared to “parlous” it’s downright ordinary. And a bit “woody,” if you ask me.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

13 DINGERZZZZ = HE NO GUD @ HITTIN

Plus, after sending him down for fangraphs poster child Jake Fox (ugh, thanks a LOT, fangraphs), it appears the front office just plain doesnt like him. All of this (shudder) Berkman and (cry in a corner) Matsui talks further make Cust a deadman here.

Ideally we would keep him and give him 600 PA’s next year exclusively at DH, there’s a great chance he would be the AL’s best DH if we just played him every day. The way the team has dealt with Cust since 2009 has been shameful and maybe the biggest thing Ive disliked about the Beane regime.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

i was shocked no one picked him up off waivers last year

he hits half his HR’s at the Colesium. No one hits half at the Colesium.
How many could he hit in a hitters park
not to mention he’s dirt cheap for his production

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by OmahaHi on Nov 23, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Still a little room to maneuver

Cramer, Figeuroa, Mortensen, Landon Powell, even Sogard or Tolleson…other than Powell nobody you’d regard as perfectly expendable, but none of them figure much into the future. Encarnacion’s situation has to be sorted before the deadline also, unless the A’s actually plan on paying him $5m+. The DFA candidates don’t have much to worry about from this roster crunch, imo. The salaries are what’s going to get them.

I’m surprised they protected Doolittle, and I’m a little surprised they didn’t protect Banwart. Just in terms of who might be picked up, it’s hard to see Doolittle being picked, let alone making a roster. Banwart might be able to sneak into someone’s bullpen. The K rate and the BB rate went up last year at Sacto. The 22% K rate was actually quite nice for a starter. Sample is obviously small (half a season), and he was typically middling at Midland in the first half before his promotion. I do remember reading somewhere that the scouting reports were coming around on him. Idk, that was the first glimmer of hope for him since Kane County and he really wasn’t good at Sacto even with the increased K rate. Just a guy you might want to see do some pen work before you let him go.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

Scouting reports from the AFL were very down on him

Said he was high-80s without a plus breaking pitch. If the A’s were using the AFL to make the call on whether to roster him or not, and saw the same thing, then the decision would make sense.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That is good to hear, in a way...

Because first take upon hearing Banwart was not protected was that he would be taken from the A’s very quickly!

by Hang Man on Nov 19, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason Doolittle is on the list

is because another team could conceivably draft him then stash him on the 60 day DL for the rest of the season. His injury actually makes him more desirable to other teams in that aspect.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Nov 19, 2010 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

Yes and No

They can stash him, but as soon as they activate him, he has to go on the active roster, and I think that includes next year.

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by Zonis on Nov 19, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Rule 5 does not allow you to finagle your way out of the requirements by sticking a player on the DL. That would be way too easy.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, are you asking why they would do it if Rule 5 DIDN'T have that requirement that a player actually spend time on the active roster?

That’s easy. They’d do it to get control of a player they want who’s missing a large part of the season due to injury. It’d give a team the benefits of Rule 5 without the drawbacks.

It would also incentivize teams to make up fictional injuries for Rule 5 guys.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

But in this instance...

You’re talking about bothering to stash a guy who’s missed essentially three seasons (not to mention paying him major league salary). What’s the point?

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

They could send Doolittle to the minors for "re-hab" assignments

Back in 2009 there was serious talk about Doolittle being on the verge of getting called up. If he could ever get healthy he might not need too much more development time.

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by grover on Nov 19, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't they do more than one?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. This is basically how the A's lost Jared Burton

The Reds gamed the system with him, totally. After the Reds Rule 5’d him, they’d pitch him once and he’d walk four guys in a single appearance, then he’d get “injured” and get to do 20 days of rehab in AAA, which was obviously being used to give him the additional experience he needed to succeed in a big-league pen.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only can the system be gamed

But I think an “injured” player can be kept in extended ST to build up their stamina and such until they’re ready to go on the re-hab assignment. That process could take 2-3 months easy.

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by grover on Nov 19, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

they gotta fix that loophole somehow

It kinda bastardizes the point of the Rule 5 draft if it makes an injured guy more attractive than a healthy one.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

you think so?

He’s not really a “stuff” guy though. Rule 5 picks usually are.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

But I think he's actually good even without being very "stuff-y"

Plus, he’s left-handed. He can be a 7th bullpen LOOGY when he is healthy.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Any team could have claimed him on waivers a month ago. I don’t see him getting picked in Rule 5 when every single team had a free shot at getting his full rights.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams usually don't dick around with injured players

That’s why this Doolittle thing is kind of weird. I would have been shocked if someone had taken him in Rule 5.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the organization values him highly enough

That they don’t even want to risk it?
I mean, there’s no denying that he can hit when healthy.
Perhaps they think this can be the year he gets back on the field for a full one?

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by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The org is so devoid of young left-handed hitting power.

If he pans out long-term, it would be so nice to sandwich him around the Carter/Taylor/Choice/Cabrera(?) group.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not consider him like FDLS

and say he lost two seasons now get well and let’s see what you can do? At least offensively — I gather his OF days are over and we’re not in need of a 1Bman for a while.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He might develop into something. I don't know.

I’m just not going to get my hopes up.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we should try a different approach

and draft someone named Dooalot.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Or clean up after him.

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by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Mark my words:

In 2012, Corey Wimberly will lead the American league in HRs.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a difference?

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I did love the bat before he went down with the injuries

He’s a really smooth hitter. I could see him turning into a Luke Scott type in a perfect world.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

20 days (30 for pitchers) for each injury, or recurrence of injury

And time played in the minors while on a re-hab assignment counts towards their big league service time.

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by grover on Nov 19, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

So with Braden, we could have gotten 300 consecutive days

just by destroying one toe at a time.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that what we're doing?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No, we stupidly destroyed two at once.

Very poor planning.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Billy's hell-bent insistence

that Jack Cust is a baseball player not worth having should end the era of “In Billy We Trust” by default.

Rationalizing the Cust-hate takes the sort of mental gymnastics I’m just not capable of.

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by walk off bunt on Nov 19, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

The thinking on Cust has swung so far I'm starting to think AN is overrating him

Cust 2009: 15.2% BB 30.2%K .323 BABIP 38% GB 21% LD .240/.356/.417 1hr/20.52 AB
Cust 2010: 16% BB 29.9% K .392 BABIP 39% GB 24% LD .272/.395/.438 1hr/26.8 AB

Last year was a bit of a fluke. As you can see his season was almost static from his not particularly valuable 2009. You can go even deeper into his seasons on Fangraphs and it appears the biggest difference in his approach between the two seasons is that he swung at 3% more balls out of the strike zone, but he happened to make more contact on 6% more of those pitches. I don’t know how many extra balls that put in play, but it’s not enough to account for a 69 point increase in BABIP.

How thrilled are we all going to be with Cust if he hits .250/.370/.420? Would it really be such a crime to replace him with Berkman?

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't the difference in BABIP

basically 20 hits over the 4 months he was in oakland? so 5 hits a month or 1 a week? That doesn’t seem outrageously high, especially of the LD and GB rates increased while the FB rate fell.

Am I totally off base on this?

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by Future Ed on Nov 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The increased LD rate seems to account for at least some of the increase in BABIP

I don’t know if the increased LD rate is sustainable, but it’s not as though the BABIP was higher because of a bunch of bloop singles or something. He hit the ball better.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Cust increased his career BABIP by about 15 points last year

Do I think he could match the new level? Yeah.

Can he keep hit 50 points above it again? Extremely doubtful.

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by grover on Nov 19, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So does the drop in HR's, and the likely related increase in doubles.

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by travdog6 on Nov 20, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, this is totally beside the point.

Cust put 209 balls in play last year and 82 dropped for a .392 BABIP. a .323 BABIP would have produced 67.5 balls dropping. So an extra ball dropping for every roughly 8 put in play. It’s really not explicable by anything but luck.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Two things that could explain it to some extent: Increased LD% and the shift

Perhaps teams are shifting when they shouldn’t (or they aren’t shifting properly)?

Actually, you know what I noticed (meaning I have nothing to back it up and I could totally be wrong) a lot: Cust dropping liners over the head of the 2B when Barton was on first. Those are balls that are usually outs when the regular shift is on. It’s probably only a handful of extra hits a year, at most, but having Barton hitting in front of him and getting on first an ungodly amount likely got him a few extra hits based on the lack of the normal shift.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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Cust dropping liners over the head of the 2B when Barton was on first

I don’t know if I would call those “liners.” Those are the balls that I thought he was squaring up (to attempt to hit HRs) on before and now happy to dump a single into RCF.

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by cuppingmaster on Nov 19, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

And that is why I say he's one of the smartest hitters in baseball.

I think he performs above his talent level because he’s just smart enough to say, “You know what, screw it, I’ve got the power, but I’m just taking the hits where I can, because the team needs hits.”

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

"You know what, screw it, I could hit a homer on this pitch,

but I’m just going to dump it into right field instead."

Hmmm. No.

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by OldhamA on Nov 20, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

actually he DID sorta say that.

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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

that's actually quite dumb

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by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

an illogical remedy to a potential logical premise

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by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it would be less than a 10% chance that Berkman could put up a .790 OPS in the AL, in Oakland, and as a DH

And he’d do so at, probably, almost twice what it would cost to keep Cust.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

less than 10%? I think that's an exaggeration.

Still, it’s a good point. Cust is dependable. .250/.370/.420 isn’t sexy, but it’d make him the best hitter on the team (or right there with Barton). Berkman probably won’t be too much more expensive than Cust in his last year of arbitration though.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I fear Berkman being on this team.

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by Helloooo 1st on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you basing this on?

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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

He's in his mid-30s, he's never DHed for an extended period before, he was terrible in his first taste of the AL (and DHing most of that)...

he’d be moving from a great hitter’s park to a big-time pitcher’s park. He’s been slowed down by injuries the past couple years.

I actually don’t see much reason to expect him to actually be very good anymore.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Should add that I probably overstated the Giambi comp.

I actually think Berkman could still be useful in the right place (the NL, specifically). I think more than Giambi, Piazza is the better comp to use here. With the exception of hitter’s to pitcher’s park, that’s a much more similar situation.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Piazza was 38. So was Giambi. Berkman is 34.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

chavez is 32

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by Future Ed on Nov 19, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

not a good comparison..

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe, maybe not

age is not a determining factor. Giambi had 200 ABs this year an played pretty well. Piazza was coming off a pretty good year was injured by fluke.

Berkman had some sort of phantom knee injury that surgery didn’t fix. Sure he played the rest of the year, and maybe he will be ok, but with mysterious injuries, I think its ok to be skeptical.

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by Future Ed on Nov 19, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still not sure how Chavez relates to anything here...

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

"he" (chavez) doesn't

but neither does the age comparisons you made about Giambi and Piazza,

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by Future Ed on Nov 19, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

What doesn't?

Of course, not one factor is the sole determinant of anything. But can it generally be agreed that 38 years olds are at higher risk of decline than 35 year olds?

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I just did the calculations

and I believe that 38 is 3 more.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

The Bill James projections project him for a .385 wOBA, which is optimistic, but even if mark him down for that and the "oakland effect", I still think he can put up an wOBA around .350-.360.

CHONE projections have him at a .267/.366/.491 line. He’s projected for nearly a win better than Cust. He also has more defensive value than Cust.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

In a neutral environment, CHONE thinks Berkman and Cust are roughly equal.

I don’t know if the Bill James projections assumes the same.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That's fine. Park adjusted numbers say otherwise.

Also, how is the DH penalty applied? Do they assume Cust is DHing and Berkman isn’t? That matters?

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Those park adjusted numbers you found on statcorner aren't projections...

And like I said, the numbers are in a neutral environment. They don’t assume Cust or Berkman are DHing.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill James projections are worthless.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, what about the year he predicted

that guy would have a 1.003 batting average. Did he?

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Although I usually consider you smart, this was quite an ignorant statement.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill James is currently about as valuable to sabermetric analysis as JC Bradbury.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Humorous comparisons aside, you can at least explain why you think the projections are "worthless"

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he left out Jayson Werth?

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd love for you to elaborate...

Aren’t his projections consistently the most accurate out there?

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by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

All projection systems are "accurate" in the context they set up for themselves.

As to reality? Whichever is most accurate at predicting what actually happened differs year to year.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No

CHONE and PECOTA are the industry standard right now.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Is ZiPS no good?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a slight step below, I think

It’s sufficiently good that if it and one of those two disagree wildly on a guy, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hoping to be able to ignore the crappy projections

that ZiPS gave us. Now I can’t. Ugh.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, the crappy ZiPS is mostly the pitching

and pitching projections are very unreliable no matter who is doing them.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

What do you define as "industry standard"?

Every projection system seems to fluctuate on how accurately they represent reality, year to year.

Case in point, PECOTA was the worst last year.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

(cancels subscription)

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

On a single-year basis, it fluctuates around

Historically PECOTA has been pretty accurate though.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Historically?

Have there been any studies (historical or otherwise) that’s been done to compare the accuracy of projection systems against one another? I’m having a hard time finding them. I’m also having a hard time seeing any clear “winners” or “losers”.

Found another end of the year (2006) evaluation though. In this one, PECOTA did very well on both pitchers and hitters. ZiPS was tops for pitchers, not so hot for hitters. CHONE was at the bottom for both. Bill James was top 3 in both and did better than ZiPS in one and better than CHONE in both (kinda makes nsj’s assertion that it’s completely “worthless” seem even more ludicrous).

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

http://sites.google.com/site/steamerprojections/2009-forecast-evalutions

Jared Cross and his students did a round-up of the 2009 sets.

If you just want the bottom line, he did the projection systems compared to Marcel (81-81) as standings list for an 162 games eason.

2009 OPS Forecast Standings

HITTERS
Chone – 93-69
ZiPS – 90-72
Oliver – 86-76
Marcel – 81-81
Fantistics – 79-83
PECOTA – 75-87
Sporting News – 73-89
Steamer 70-92
2008 – 43-119

PITCHERS
ZiPS 100-62
CAIRO 95-67
CHONE 91-71
Steamer 90-72
PECOTA 88-74
Oliver 82-80
Marcel 81-81
Fantistics 80-82
Sporting News 73-89

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by D.Szymborski on Nov 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I saw that. That's what my first link linked to.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, sorry, I missed it!

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by D.Szymborski on Nov 19, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

We should hire you to solely work for AN

HIRED (not fired)

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

his defensive value is based entirely on 1B

I do not want Daric Barton sitting in favor of Lance Berkman.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

-29834729 for yet another lazy assertion that there are players

who can hit in the NL but not in the AL.

This is nonsense. The NL is at a lower talent level than the AL but the difference in OPS terms is like .025, maybe.

There is a reason why we have park and league adjustments. Use them.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, considering that's not actually what I did even a teeny bit

There ARE park and league adjustments. And they all say Cust is better.

It’s not that “there are players who can hit in the NL but not the AL” but that “The AL is harder to hit in.”

Cust was significantly better than Berkman last year when you adjust for park (using wOBA). StatCorner doesn’t also adjust for league, and they don’t include a DH penalty. So, um, I really don’t understand your post.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The retirement comments of last year are just such a red flag for me.

If you’re contemplating retirement, you’ve lost some of your fire. Your work ethic isn’t the same. And Berkman’s always been a pudgy guy as it is – not a real workout warrior. Can his skillset survive an erosion?

I don’t want him. I want Cust retained, and platooned at DH. 450 at-bats for $3.5-4M, and a .400 OBP. I’m cool with that.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Berkman's way more likely to put up a .400 OBP than Cust.

I also think you’re blowing the retirement comments out of proportion. All I’ve heard is him saying that it’s a “remote possibility” and an “unlikely scenario”.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're way, way underselling the difference between NL/Minute Maid/playing a position and AL/Coliseum/DHing

A .400 OBP is absolutely not going to happen for Berkman. Probably won’t for Cust, either, but Berkman is more like a .340 OBP on the A’s. Cust has, you know, never had an OBP that low.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably true.

The projections do have Berkman playing in the AL though, but on the Yankees. In a neutral environment, I’d say Cust and Berkman are roughly equal.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is he a .340 on base with the A's?

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 19, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what makes you think

Berkman would only put up a .340 OBP for the A’s. Even in his injury riddled, down season last year he managed a .368 OBP on the season (.372 with HOU and .358 with NYY). Prior to last season his career low mark was .386 in 2007. It’s not like he’s all of a sudden going to lose the ability to walk at age 35.

Berkman is one of the few guys I might actually be ok with using over Cust. He’s aging, but still just 35 unlike some of the other “veteran power” weve brought in lately and he’s only one year removed from a 140 OPS+ season. I don’t expect him to match that again, but if he’s healthy I think he could still be a middle of the lineup force. Maybe bring us a line in the .270/.380/.470 ballpark.

by JPShark on Nov 20, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn.

I really had no idea that Berkman’s career OBP is .409.
That’s just damn impressive.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

All I can really add right now, is Scott Brosius.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

All Scott Brosius can really add right now is the solution to world hunger.

A's Fan in Sweden

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by travdog6 on Nov 20, 2010 6:02 AM PST up reply actions  

If anyone can solve world hunger, it's Scott Brosius.

Because he’s already not hungry. He’s been on a sufficient-amount-of-nutrients-winning nation-state for almost 45 years running.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

He had a 122 ops+ in Houston before the trade.

114 ops+ for the season. 117 wRC+. He’s 34 (35 in Feb). Why would you think he’s done? Not based on his play last season. He was also coming off injury and got off to a slow start. Yeah, he wasn’t great in New York, but you’re talking 100 at bats in two months.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

This

someone will steal Berkman for next year

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I named like 16 reasons why Berkman playing for the A's wouldn't be a good idea

Cust had a 128 OPS+ last year, by the way.

Yes, he’s 35. People think Cust is gonna fall off a cliff at 32, but a 35 year old Berkman won’t?

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Who said Cust is going to fall off a cliff?

I was responding to your claim that Berkman is done. I don’t find your reasons to be compelling to be honest. Why should Berkman fall off a cliff (be finished) because he’s moving to DH and a tougher hitting environment? It’s a big leap with nothing really to back it up.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I never said Cust would fall of a cliff

And I’m not a Cust-hater either, if that’s what you’re assuming.

Fact is that Berkman was a HOF-caliber hitter until 2010 when he was hurt. I don’t see why one down year means he’s done. He’s only 35.

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I take issue with "only 35"

Unless he’s on something – possibly a good assumption, I don’t know – players don’t tend to bounce back to a HOF level at that age. It could happen, I guess, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Frank Thomas did...

and Berkman was much better in 2010 than Thomas was in 2005, not to mention younger.

It is foolish to discount the chances that Berkman has a bounceback season.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see how Berkman's 2010 was better than Thomas' 2005 in terms of rate stats

Thomas only played 34 games, but he was a better hitter (of course Berkman’s defensive value would trump that, but we’re talking about DHing here).

It’s certainly possible. I just think it’s incredibly unlikely. I think in the right situation he’ll be solid, and if he plays in the right park his regular numbers might look better than Cust’s (like Vlad’s did this year). But I don’t think he’s a viable option to replace Cust.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Thomas also had tons of DHing experience, and AL experience,

While Berkman has very little.

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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a huge adjustment

Some guys hate doing it. Some guys don’t mind it.

Edgar Martinez was great at it; Pat Burrell couldn’t stand it and sucked at it.

I value that Cust is a known quantity at DHing.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I sense a "Bring Jose Vidro Back?" post on the horizon.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I never knew he was here

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

And to piggyback off of this

Please no one use the “well, Frank Thomas was a HOF talent” blah blah blah, because if Berkman bounces back even remotely and can put together another 10-15 WAR over the rest of his career, he damn well deserves to be in the HOF.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh, no, that's a quite valid point to make.

Frank Thomas was probably one of the best right handed hitters of his generation.

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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

so is Berkman

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

no he's a switch hitter

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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

i meant one of the best hitters of the generation

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I clearly said right handed. I win you lose.

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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

fair point he isn't a very good RH hitter

LH though….

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Righthanded, he's "only" an .850 OPS hitter or so

for his career.

(Obviously he’s likely not that good anymore, but even his righthanded line would have been an above-average 1B.)

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw a 108 wRC+ on fangraphs thats hardly that great as a 1bman.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't have to be a HOF-level

And the only reason he has to bounce back is because of injury. It’s not like it was a matter of him declining

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by hero66 on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm bookmarking this so that I can use it to clean up on a bet if the A's sign Berkman

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish there was some multiverse where Cust was on the team in one and Berkman the other

Because I was just thinking how I’d love to make loads of cash off everyone posting in this thread.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

?

You’re the one making comments like:

I think it would be less than a 10% chance that Berkman could put up a .790 OPS in the AL, in Oakland, and as a DH
I don’t. I think Berkman would do, maybe, what he did for the Yankees.

I think it’s far more likely people make lots of money off you.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

those BABIP numbers are wrong

here are his four years in Oakland:
.355
.306
.319
.387

Overall he’s .338 for his career. Say you were to adjust last season to his BABIP career rate (taking out 10 singles) his slash line goes from .272/.395/.438 to .244/.372/.410, which looks a lot like his career line minus the power. So if those ten singles can be considered random noise, should expectations for Cust in 2011 be a little lower?

I’m not sure what Cust can make in arb ($3M?) but if $3-4M can get the same basic production along with some positional versatility, veteran leadership and/or some added power, I don’t think it’s a bad thing.

by scatterbrian on Nov 20, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Late reply, but

It’s not a matter of being thrilled or anything, it’s just that a line like that is clearly worth having on a team like Oakland. In some capacity.

I don’t think Cust is some criminally unheralded superstar, but I do think the attempts to pointlessly cut bait on him and/or stash him in Sacramento are goofy in the highest degree.

the oakland athletics: hittin' ain't easy

by walk off bunt on Nov 21, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Cust

he strikes out in over a third of his plate appearances, walked in about 20 percent of his plate appearances, and looked frustrated at the plate during the season. Id rather have the Pedro Cerano, or better yet, Dennis Haysbert, at least they knew they couldnt hit the curveball.

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 7:48 PM PST reply actions  

walked in about 20 percent of his plate appearances

This is a very good thing.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You're overlooking the part where he looked frustrated.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

It took a lot of me to keep from saying anything about that…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

90% of the game is mental

If he isnt where he should be mentally, thats going to ruin his game, happened to billy beane himself, but im sorry for watching the games and noticing things like that.

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What am I thinking right now?

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Tamales

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

No, the analysis is much appreciated.

Did Jerry Blevins seem distant to you last year?

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No!!!!

Well maybe a tad.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

im not trying to be the joe morgan here

But there isnt anything wrong with doing things the old way of looking at the player and not the box score. (flame sheild)

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Any relation to James Sheild?

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

he was his more popular long lost brother

but alas, with a name like that, he was not long for this world.

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad it wasn't Sue

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

"Doing things the old way"="the Joe Morgan here"

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions  

90% of the game is not mental

90% of the game is having the talent.
If Jack Cust puts up a .380+ wOBA and walks 20% of the time while in a wrong place mentally, you’re argument is mush.
And just because Billy Beane thinks the reason he didn’t make it is because he wasn’t there mentally means nothing to me.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Beane was there mentally when he said that

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure. I wasn't there mentally when he might have

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I would but when I'm not there mentally I can't resist it

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean you can't tell?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Resistance is 90% mental I hear

At least that’s what Bobby Bean told me

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he was 70% gay

Not that there’s anything wrong with 40% of it.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Was?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It's also futile.

At least that’s what the Borg told me.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Nov 20, 2010 2:23 AM PST up reply actions  

90% of the game is derived from the buttocks.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions  

damn...

whyd we trade rajai then?

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and I do watch the games

Most of us do, so don’t pull that passive aggressive crap on me…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

ELL. OH. ELL.

It just gets me every time someone actually whips out the ol’ I WATCH THE GAMES AND I SEE THINGS YOUR SILLY MATHEMATICAL FACTS CAN NEVER SHOW YOU argument.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

He looked frustrated?

I’ve had just enough brandy to actually enjoy this debate for once…Jack Cust looked like he was having a hell of a time this year. And why wouldn’t he? The dude was living on borrowed time, like that dude from that show in that decade. He just went out there and hit, and he looked like he was having a ball.

Also, walking in 20% of your PAs is a FANTASTIC thing to do with those PAs. Walking is an awesome thing to do. But you know what the important thing is? He GETS ON BASE IN 40% OF HIS PLATE APPEARANCES.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Cust haters are gonna say he strikes out too much

When I read moneyball I thought the point was that the most important thing for a baseball player to do is not get out. Cust gets out fewer than anyone. Are you gonna tell me it is better to ground out or fly out. I disagree after watching all the double plays kouz, suzuki and sweeney ground into.

by gambler on Nov 19, 2010 7:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

You just said the most important thing is to not get out

A strikeout is an out isnt it? At least when you hit a ground ball it creates a chance, however small, of getting on base.

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Cust .395 obp and Barton .393 obp

So are you saying Cust would be better if he popped out like Rajai or hit into double plays like Kouz.

by gambler on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't forget

or popped up like Suzuki or hit into double plays like Suzuki.

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Dont forget, that team across the bay had well beyond their fair share of double plays , i was forced to watch considering my roomates were all fans of theirs, worked out well for them

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

and...

are you saying cust is incapable of not hitting into a double play? Who is to say he would turn into a double play machine like a kouz, if he is as such a good hitter as you say he is, wouldnt a decrease in strikeouts and more contact lead to good results?

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously it was. They made outs on their own terms

It prevented the other team from getting too confident.

by UrgentMirth on Nov 20, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Gritty like a motherfucker.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You're looking at what gambler said the wrong way.

Instead of looking at singles, doubles, strikeouts, popouts, etc., make it even simpler. Did he make an out or didn’t he? In Cust’s case, he was the best on the A’s last year at not making outs.

by NateHST on Nov 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Except when Geren is DUH enough to start the runner from 1B.

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by Nico on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I read Moneyball and thought it was about exploiting market inefficiencies.

During a contract holdout with Oakland in the early 1990s, Henderson said, "If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego."

by Man Bear Pig on Nov 19, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It was almost 300 pages long.

It was about a lot of things, all at the same time.

Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.

by Elvez on Nov 19, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was mostly about Giambi's anus.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahaha

Wow. Just, wow.

Where does that come from???

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Chapter 7

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Giambi's anus was bankrupt?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a market inefficiency.

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I pretty much only write two kinds of fanposts:

News items and magnum opi.

The latter are, for obvious reasons, rare.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it's hard to get Tom Selleck?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

[makes hand-flying-over-head gesture]

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

magnum pi

was tom sellecks teevee show

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

recced

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:20 AM PST up reply actions  

MAGNUM PI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GyuozXtnQ

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

oh...wait...

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

"opus" is a neuter noun, third declension.

So correct plural is magna opera.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Nov 20, 2010 2:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was a...

Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

You're a neuter noun

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

This marks a first: PaulThomas used a word I have never seen before.

I had no idea what parlous meant, though it’s similarity to perilous sorta made my brain think that’s what it meant by accident.

www.zekeishungry.com

by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST reply actions  

Parlous: It's a fine line between clever and dangerous

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

I want to write a TV series about a crafty detective who doesn't play by the rules named Viz Parlous,

with a bunch of supporting characters whose names are also words that only PT uses.

“Hi. The name’s Viz Parlous. I’d just been out working a case when Chief Colorable called me into his office.”

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Is the main villain named Kettle of Fish?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, a crooked cop called Sgt. Value

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Buck's holding a place for Iwakuma

E5 is still a candidate to get non-tendered.

Banwart didn’t really have any place on the 40 man with Iwakuma expected to join the fold. Counting the imported arm, the A’s will have 9 SP on the 40 man roster.

I think Cust does get tendered a contract. I’m not sure if he’s around Opening Day though.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 19, 2010 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

yeah

I could definitely see a couple of this arb-eligible guys get tendered contracts…and then be used as trade pieces, with the A’s swallowing salary.

If the A’s eat a few million for each guy, there’s plenty of teams that would love to have Kouz, Cust, or E5 at the low price of ~$1M.

That strategy netted the A’s Joey Devine for the remnants of Kotsay, and Rosales in a similar type of deal.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess KK or EE are holding a place for Beltre

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Eating two pieces of crow:

The first is actually relevant to this thread: I tip my cap to grover and PT, both of whom predicted Brown would be protected; I did not (we all agreed on the other three). Doolittle was very surprising.

The other is entirely unrelated, but I found it amusing to learn that Oakland is one of four teams on Justin Upton’s no-trade list. Prior to his extension, I dreamed of him being a free-agent splurge for the A’s as they entered a new stadium. The fact that he finds the A’s to be one of the four least desirable situations in baseball kind of exposes the ridiculousness of that. :)

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

Well, it's possible that a new stadium would change Upton's mind.

As for Brown, I’m surprised he was protected only because I don’t think a team would select him and then watch him bat .160 in the Majors for a season.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I went from finding Upton interesting and hoping we get him

To thinking he is an asshole in about 3 seconds today.

/Not happy

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Nov 19, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Why?

He’s going to put four teams on there… does that automatically make him an asshole, or is he specifically an asshole because Oakland is so transcendently wonderful?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, a smart player

will be strategic about it and not just list the four cities he least wants to go to. Rather, it would be the four that he least wants to go to that might actually trade for him. Putting teams that won’t trade for you anyway on your list is a waste.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Likely

Next year I’d expect Kansas City to appear on the list.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It already is, no?

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it?

Well, good for him…

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is it smart to not want to play for a team that everybody thinks will be very good very soon?

(Granted, I think they’ll find a way to fuck it up, because that’s how Kansas City do.)

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Because they'd probably have to trade Moustakas for him

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2010 3:16 AM PST up reply actions  

PIttsburgh's stadium is gorgeous.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

This

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

this = pittsburgh spends no money

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

So's Detroit's

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, c'mon we love our hometown/home team

Of course any rational human being wouldn’t blame him, but as an A’s fan MAY A CURSE BE UPON HIM!

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s offensive from a fan perspective to have a player not want to play for your team regardless of any reasonable or rational thinking behind the decision.

Now I have to hate him forever.

by UrgentMirth on Nov 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm calling him an asshole

As an A’s fan.

If I was a player, I’d put the Coliseum on my “No thanks” list too.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Nov 19, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

it was ridiculous long before we found out about his no trade list

at least you have finally come to terms with it, though.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The A's are going to trade 11 mediocre prospects for Hanley Ramirez this offseason,

and you’ll be eating some crow yourself quite soon.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I really do think they would win more than 50% of the time

Honestly, if a superstar were worth >5 WAR/year for 3-5 years and you were to deal 11 fringe guys, I really think that at least or 2 would make it as 2-3 WAR guys for 3-4 years.
Obviously, I lack stats, but I do believe I’m relatively right…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Nearly guaranteed you are

Fringe guys are infinitely replaceable. If you look at what Billy Beane is great at, its finding fringe guys to be major league average players. Star, on the other hand, are very tough to find.

This is why I think we overrate a ton of prospects in the A’s system, FWIW. The ability to mature and become a utility man, or set up reliever, or league average corner outfielder isn’t much. We really have no players that you can say have a great chance of being a star.

by SeanR on Nov 20, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it wouldnt be fringe guys...

more like 10-15 B-/C+ prospect type players…

2/3 would have to amount to decent players, right?

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

and those prospects could potentially be more trade bait.

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown is the kind of guy who could be really bad until he's 26 or 27 and then become good

He’s extremely unpolished relative to the usual prospect at his age and experience level.

I think the A’s are trying to avoid a repeat of the Nelson Cruz situation.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If Jay Marshall can stay on a 25-man roster for a whole season, anything is possible

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Say, have we released him and signed him lately?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

(waits for new list of transactions)

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that beard he grew was the final straw.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This made me laugh

And then think about shaving

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.

The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco

by bobnothing on Nov 20, 2010 1:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

thumbs up
Some Soccer By Ives-style discussion questions

one of my favorite blogs

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 19, 2010 8:55 PM PST reply actions  

wanted to add one more thing. if you regress Cust's BABIP to .350...

for this past season, and you maintain his singles and doubles distribution (and 13 home runs), his line would have been .246/.362/.406. .350 would be well above his .338 career BABIP, ftr. Actually didn’t realize the dip in his numbers would be quite that big.

by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions  

His LD% increased.

Not surprising that his BABIP did as well. If he swings for the fences again, his BABIP will go down and his SLG will go up. So it goes.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

His line drive percentage went up 3%

That amounts to about seven extra line drives on the season.

by AgitationStation on Nov 20, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Why would you regress his BABIP and maintain his singles & doubles distribution?

Did you not watch him hit this year? It was a very purposeful approach he had, he was trying to swing more and get more base hits. If he stopped doing that, he’d have gone back to his original approach of watching tons of pitches, walking more, and hitting more home runs.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

He may have hit more HRs

I doubt he would have walked much more.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, here's an idea!

Let’s take a fanpost that was supposed to discuss roster moves and turn it into another debate over whether or not Cust is good!

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

Oh, I agree

I wasn’t referring to your discussion, more those who decide to just add comments about Cust for no good reason and don’t have anything else to add to this fanpost…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I did kind of ask for it in the opening

I’m OK with it, and only partly because it might have exposed me to an opportunity to take a bet at some really sweet odds.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

heh

Yeah, I know?
I really don’t mind the most of it, but like I said to JD, it’s the shit where people decide to chime in with the same bull we hear time and time again…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

There should be a rule against using percentages in posts

AKA, if you post that there is only a 10% chance Lance Berkman puts up a .790 OPS, you are legally liable to back at least a $20 to win $200 wager on this.

The irony is, what JD probably means/feels, is like “There is a 47% chance Lance Berkman puts up a .790 OPS”…which, to be honest, I might still take the over.

by SeanR on Nov 20, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

That'd be a great rule for journalists.

I’m looking at you, Bruce Jenkins

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by travdog6 on Nov 20, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

ALREADY DID DOGG

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

because

jack cust is obviously so damn interesting

by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

Someone should write a fanpost comparing the DH candidates

I think (I hope?) that there’s consensus that Berkman is better than Matsui.
Vlad, Manny, and Jim Thome are all far more likely to sign with other teams (I can’t see the Twins letting Thome leave, right?)

But it would be worth doing an in-depth analysis of Cust vs. Berkman. Could you justify signing both, and putting Cust in right field occasionally if Sweeney ends up slow in his rehab?

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

Would Cust or Berkman be a better RF option in this scenario?

Years ago, it was probably Berkman (not that he was good, but he was less horrendous, I think). Can he even play the OF anymore?

Berkman is better than Matsui if he’s Berkman, but I have more confidence in Matsui being at least decent. Berkman could be Frank Thomas 2006, or he could be what he was with the Yankees last year. I don’t trust his bounce back ability.

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Cust in RF

Berkman can’t play RF anymore. I don’t think Berkman can even remain healthy if he’s in the field anymore.

I view DH’s as falling into two categories***: guys who shouldn’t play the field, because they are bad at it – Cust, Dunn – and guys who literally can’t play it without their bodies falling apart. That last category is Matsui, Thome…maybe Berkman at this point in his career. I think Berk can get away with playing 50 games at first – backing up Barton, every day for a few weeks during a Barton DL stint – but no way can he be an outfielder at this point. I saw him chase a foul ball in the playoffs and land on his back and he looked like he needed the Life Alert lanyard around his neck.

Guys in that first category are more valuable. It provides greater roster flexibility to be able to put Cust in the outfield without worrying about him hurting himself…even if he’s bad at it.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I REMEMBER that 1/3 of a run!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It was the 2/3 that scored that killed us.

Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Go ahead!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 19, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

What about trading for Sizemore?

His will come cheaper than Upton and has a higher WAR than Beltre. If his injuries hamper his fielding, he can DH and still rest the OFrs. Sounds better than Matsui.

by Tutu-late on Nov 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling Cle is waiting until he has actual value to deal him

Unless someone is giving more than he’s worth right now…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Then this would be a perfect time to trade for him

His physical return is questionable, while his upside can be huge. He would be easier to obtain than Choo.

by Tutu-late on Nov 20, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

What would you give up -- Ynoa and Weeks?

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

They just lost Westbrook, right?

So they may be interested in a starter. Ross, Ynoa, and Weeks would be a start

by Tutu-late on Nov 20, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Sizemore's not likely to be very good in 2011

He might not ever be very good again. Microfracture surgery is no joke.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

What's the deal with microfracture surgery?!?

Boom. It’s now a joke.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That sounds like a Jay Leno kind of joke.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, just add stupid giggling at the end of it.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

How many guys have totally bombed after microfracture surgery? I know Amare Stoudamire is pretty good after his surgery (yes, i know its basketball, not baseball, but he’s the only guy i know off the top of my head that had the surgery)

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Greg Oden

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Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

touche.

Any other baseball players though?

We also probably shouldn’t be comparing 6’11’’ guys to Sizemore…

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He just had it though

we will see if he ever makes it back. Kind of serves them right for drafting a middle aged man clearly in his early 40s though.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

He just had it *again* you mean.

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by mikev on Nov 21, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah

But he’s made of glass

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 21, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems pretty common for basketball players

Chris Webber – not the same after surgery
Grant Hill – never the same
Tracy McGrady – never the same (although it could be the myriad of back problems)
Penny Hardaway, Kenyon Martin…

A quick search shows Brian Giles and Chad Tracy as baseball players that have had it. Giles seems to have recovered before old age took it’s toll. i’m not sure about Tracy’s situation

by jali on Nov 20, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, so, the 40-man is currently full.

The A’s don’t usually head into the Rule 5 with a full 40-man, I don’t think. Plus, they’re hoping to sign Beltre (and I’m sure a couple others). And of course they’ll need to make room for Iwakuma at some point.

So who gets non-tendered? The 40-man is going to change a lot in the next few weeks. There really aren’t a ton of non-tender candidates, especially if Beltre does not sign here (by then, anyway).

Encarnacion, Buck, and Cust are really the only three, I think. They might jettison Tolleson.

So who goes?

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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

Jackson could still be non-tendered

I’m not writing it off…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Surely if we write enough comments here about how utterly loony keeping Jackson over Cust would be

someone would have to sit up and take notice, right?

What about if we go picket the Coliseum with “Cust died for your sins” and “God hates Conor Jackson” signs?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It certainly worked with Chavy last March.

Wait…

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean they're going to sign Conor to a six year deal?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

We picketed the Coliseum last March?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, no one else showed up so it was kind of embarrassing

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Not even Cindi?

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Midterm retake

And no, she didn’t pass.

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll be there!

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by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

CUST TRIED HE NEVER LIED

?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They can still trade DFA Kouzmanoff and then trade him if they sign Beltre

Or they could trade him before the Rule 5 if they find a deal they like

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Non-tendering............

……….. The Mighty Cust? S’easy. You can always sign him later. No other team in baseball is dumb enough to take him on. Guys that never get a hit that means something in the late innings are not in big demand. Beeeg Bapip though.

by Smoky on Nov 19, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

Except last year Cust was coming off a down year

And frankly, if I was Jack Cust and I was non-tendered the 2nd year in a row by a team that I was consistently the best hitter on, I would want nothing more than to sign with another team just to stick it to them.
Trust me, this time around, someone will want Jack Cust.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but given the verified true fact that

Cust never gets a hit that means something, will other teams want that?

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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, they've got other players to make his hits mean things

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What woke up Cust last year

was that he was DFA’d. And that happened because he STUNK in ST with 1/2 of his outs coming via the SO. That includes his last ST game against the Gints when he SO 3x, the last with the bases loaded. I have to hand it to him that he was able to turn his year, and probably his career around by changing his approach at the plate. We also need to keep him because now that Rajai is gone, Jack is the fastest guy on the team. At least according to his XM interview. I say we move him to leadoff, and let him run.

by Tutu-late on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

spring training numbers are 100% useless and meaningless

If we had a full year of Cust we would have won more games, simple as that.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really...

But if you want to state it as fact, that’s on you. Simple as that.

by SeanR on Nov 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Your first dependent clause and your second one

actually contradict one another.

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by Nico on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

this

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

glad you caught it!

i might just be the worst sarcastic poster ever haha

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you explain why you think stats are wrong?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Because there are none?

What stats do you want me to use for Cust’s April, had he been on the major league team?

I find it baffling that people are willing to say Spring Training means nothing. It means something. Would I weight it the same as regular season play? No way. But if you were creating a math model to predict Cust’s April, do you think your model would have a higher or lower accuracy by including, say, 5% weight to Spring Training, which was the previous week?

by SeanR on Nov 21, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

well, yeah they mean something

but Chavez was worse. I think ultimately, that’s the point, Cust was obviously the best optoin, yet was DFA’d anyway.

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by Future Ed on Nov 21, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He's right.

Is it a “fact”? No. But is it a statistical certainty? Absolutely. You’re saying that there’s a chance that Cust would have hit worse than Chavez/Fox in that first month?

by danmerqury on Nov 21, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is everyone saying tomato?

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by Nico on Nov 21, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

ChiSox and Yankees both will take him.

You are wrong about everything.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

if Chisox miss out on Dunn

I bet they will swoop on Cust very quickly and he will hit 35+ HR with a 900+ OPS there.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

About half the teams in the AL could use a DH this year.

You bet Tampa Bay, NYY, the White Sox, Tigers, Mariners, Orioles, or Angels will take him.

And, an NL team could very easily use him as a stopgap 1B/LF.

by Blicks on Nov 20, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Disappointed this hasn't come up yet on this thread...

Who, most realistically, gets drafted in the rule 5 draft from us? I think there are only 3 that really have a shot of the guys Paul named. No reason to draft Sulentic when OPS is trending down so clearly, and upside is limited. I’m not sure that a team can afford to stash Josh Horton for a year, just to come out with, at best, an average SS or 2B. That’s probably a stretch to even give him that as a ceiling.

The 3 players I could see being picked up are Carignan, Banwart, or Simmons.

Simmons I’m thinking is still not very likely. While he’s got the first round draft status on him, he hasn’t shown that kind of talent – no overwhelming K rate, no overwhelming BB rate to cover for it, and some injury problems on top of it all. That just doesn’t feel draftable. If it is, its because some team thinks they can stash a mop-up reliever on the MLB roster…and that Simmons would actually be able to develop on that role. I don’t think so.

Banwart and Carignan I think both have decent shots of being added. Banwart has the stats, and more importantly, the health. I’m not sure he has a TON of upside, but he probably can be one of those 5.00 ERA 5th starters that some teams employ. For example, I think the Pirates could easily stomach starting Banwart all season over Morton, etc, and see if he can develop. If you can’t find a way to give the SP consistent innings in the majors, I don’t think you can take him, since I’m not seeing a point to converting Banwart to relief. Still, there might be better SP candidates to do this to…but Banwart seems like a better pick than Cassevah of a year ago for this role.

Carignan, on the other hand, fits the rule 5 draft idea perfectly to me. I don’t think he will ever fix his control issues, but he’s got the K potential to think he might be able to stick in a bullpen somewhere. The major problem is injuries, and its concerning that the A’s don’t seem to actually know what exactly was wrong with him, but supposedly he is healthy. Draft him, and if he sucks in Spring Training, gets hurt, or still walks a batter per inning, cut him back to the A’s and move on. Might not be that hard to Jay Marshall him, though, and steal a potential prospect.

Overall, though, I guess I trust the A’s judgment. If they found a reason to protect Sean Doolittle over any of these guys, they must think upside is very limited (Banwart) or injuries are too great (Carignan).

I follow from out of town so I’d be interested to hear what some of you who probably know more, think about this.

by SeanR on Nov 20, 2010 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

I don't trust the A's judgement on the Rule 5 Draft however

since they always seem to pick the wrong guys, and their methodology for the Rule 5 seems all wrong (focusing on best-case-role-play-backups rather than best case stars).

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by Zonis on Nov 20, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You are so not Ben Copeland's dad.

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

What has this got to do with who the A's protect FROM the Rule 5 draft?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If they don't know who to look for in the Rule 5, then do they know who to protect?

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by Zonis on Nov 20, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Jay Marshall, obviously.

A guy like that only comes around once in a blue moon every few months.

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

When's the last time an A's player who was any good got taken in Rule 5?

I think they know who to protect.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Taken, dude

Was on A’s. Drafted. Not on A’s anymore.

Ryan Goleski was taken BY the A’s.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Something in the back of my noggin makes me think we lost someone mildly good around 2003

Upon further inspection, losing Jared Burton in 2006 is really the only guy who did anything in the Majors (and even then it’s nitpitcking).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft_results

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess there's Alexi Ogando

but that’s kind of a weird case, because he was banned from entering the USA for five years.

I think it’s safe to say that the A’s are very good at knowing who they need to keep protected.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 24, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And he changed from a position player to a pitcher

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by Nico on Nov 24, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see Horton getting taken as an Everth Cabrera type

Honestly, though, I wouldn’t be upset by any of these guys getting drafted other than Joseph, and him I would expect to get back eventually. (I’d still be annoyed, though, because it would screw with his development.)

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Horton isn't good at all though he cant hit and hes not a great fielder

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It's unfair to say he "can't hit"

He doesn’t have any power. His OPS is never going to be very high. But he could give you a decent OBP and eat some pitches to run up the opposing starter’s pitch count at the bottom of the order.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2010 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Chone projects him as -29 with the bat and -19 with the glove. Why would anyone want that?

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Projections for anyone who hasn't at LEAST hit the crap out of AAA are almost uniformly terrible

The very fact of a guy getting called up, or in this case Rule 5 drafted (if it happens), is in and of itself evidence tending to show that the projection is wrong.

That’s sort of weird. I can’t quite put my finger on why right now, but there’s some double-counting going on in here somewhere.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

double counting where?

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 22, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

This should sell 'em out

Would anyone support having Carney Lansford as our manager?

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Is he someone who isn't Bob Geren?

Then yes, everyone but PaulThomas would support that. (PT doesn’t think managers affect anything significantly.)

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I find its generally best not to speak for others. PT can say whether or not he wants Lansford on his own... Hes a big boy.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Is he cheaper than Geren?

If not, I’d rather have Geren.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Pure Massacre

We look like the Denver Broncos. Actually, I think they look better. You know if they took down all of those World Championship signs it may justify everything.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

On the topic of the broncos and a's...

Broncos RBs under Shanny and the zone blocking scheme= A’s pitchers with the great defense behind them, right?

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a Rant

Rajai for more pitching, huh… DeJeWho??? Come on Man. You spit on Oakland. It appears we have a huge chance to sell out games this year. Well, if your gonna put a sorry lineup on the field, you’re going to need to be making good decisions come game time.That shouldn’t be a problem for Geren, right? He is the KING of game-time decisions.He needs to be more of a slave driver. The guys on this team are soft. And take a little flack from players instead of putting them on the DL to prove a point. It hurts the team. But, judging by Curt Young’s release after posting the best team ERA in the American League, it isn’t all about winning. What does a man have to do to get paid in Oakland? Only injury prone players get signed. It was good to see Ron Washington in the World Series, another one we turned down for a job.They need to donate the A’s to the Red Cross to justify the lack of high profile players and to feed the poor mouth of the owner.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

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Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

love the pic

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It was the most work safe non offensive thing I could come up with in response to that post

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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Feel free to offend

If we do better than last year, I’ll have my words to eat forever.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Because that's what Bay Area sports fans ALWAYS do when they turn out to be wrong.

Did you know that nobody in the Bay Area thought the 49ers would be good this season? And none of them thought Alex Smith would be any good. But they all knew the Raiders would really show something this season.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Just a rant

That’s all. And I haven’t been following the A’s much since football started. R-A-I-D-E-R-S!!!! Thanks for the update on my bad assumptions. If most are in support, I will support that.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I did. Turns out, you never informed yourself.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude

This team that I want to root for is imploding…. and everyone is ok with it…. If you think that all fans are ok with it you’re trippin

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Buddy, I don't give a shit what ignorant, uneducated, uninformed fans think of Billy's moves this offseason.

They’re wrong. The team isn’t imploding.

Here’s what we had in 2010: A half-season of a good outfielder, four solid defensive IFs, three solid offensive IFs, a dead catcher, an excellent DH, and four above-average starters.

Here’s what we have now: Two good outfielders, four solid defensive IFs, three solid offensive IFs with a very good possibility of adding a fouth, a dead catcher, an excellent DH, and five above-average starters.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

but...

Kurt may have a pulse this year.

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for Kurt coming back from the dead.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

that would be a huge help

If we can pull a 750+ OPS out of him things would look very promising. Lets just hope if we get bats Bob doesnt hit him 3, 4 or 5 though…

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

bury him in the pet cemetary,

he’ll be back in a jiffy.

That rug really tied the room together...

by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 23, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If you don't mind me asking

how much was 40%… was it enough or is he headed elsewhere?

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

need to add

  young was offered a multi-year contract too. The A’s did all they could do to keep him but he wanted a new start.

by Arcman on Nov 20, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, how much wrong shit can there be in just one comment?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Enough with the cussing, please.

Thx.

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by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You are golden.

As someone who enjoys and appreciates the Athletics’ front office and ownership, I like the fact that you are here. You might just single-handedly get the usually pessimistic crowd to defend the organization for a rare moment.

I don’t why I hadn’t thought of this before: create a second username [say a prickly animal] and write some absurd $#!^ about why the sky is falling only to see how other members — the ones who already have some sympathies for Henny Penny — will react.

by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2010 4:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Have you been around this month at all?

AN has been loving Billy’s moves this offseason. Most of us have eventually come down on the side of not liking the Rajai trade, but the rest of this offseason, most of us have been squarely in favor of.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 22, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Um, I wouldn't agree with this

I think most are waiting until more dominoes fall before they laud or destroy Beane for this offseason…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Allow me to retort

DeJesus seems like same ‘ol, same ’ol… and by trading a known player for a new player will no significantly better skillset, it’s useless. Downgrade IMO. You spit on Oakland every year… my opinion holds. And 40% of Curt Young’s salary probably wasn’t enough… And for you to put down Ron Washington after all those years in Oakland… not to mention having to watch him win the pennant for our division rivals was total BS

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

an 827 ops out of left field is hardly "same 'ol, same 'ol"

[sic]

Curt Young also probably wants to manage. Pitching coaches from teams like the A’s don’t get shots, but pitching coaches from the Red Sox (see: John Farrell) do. To that end, 40% was meaningless. He’d have gone if we offered 70%, more than likely.

by noava22 on Nov 20, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

how is DDJ the same ole same ole?

His .363 wOBA would have been 2nd on the team last season to Cust.

by buddahead9 on Nov 20, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Please don't retort anymore.
DeJesus seems like same ‘ol, same ’ol… and by trading a known player for a new player will no significantly better skillset, it’s useless. Downgrade IMO.

Sorry, you couldn’t be more incorrect.

You spit on Oakland every year

Who are you talking to? You, uhm, realize that Billy Beane and Lew Wolff don’t hang out here, right?

And 40% of Curt Young’s salary probably wasn’t enough

Are you from Narnia? I don’t believe you’re a real person. You can’t even identify the actual problem with the A’s offer to Young. You’re just saying, “What? 140% of what they paid him the year before? THEY SPIT ON CURT YOUNG EVERY YEAR.”

And for you to put down Ron Washington after all those years in Oakland

When I was a kid, I thought everybody who played, coached, and managed for the A’s was the best ever. But I grew up; you should do the same. An A’s uniform doesn’t make someone good at their job. He was a fine defensive instructor; he’s a terrible manager.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

...um, with facts?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

?????

what

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

To the contrary. I always knew he never fell off. I thought he should have been starting the moment the NFL let him back in.

Added him to my fantasy team (I know, I know, nobody cares about my fantasy team) the moment he became available last year, because I knew Vick was a legitimate elite quarterback, and I knew he’d prove it when given the opportunity.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

We really don't care about it

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 20, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like

we would trade a baseball player that was THAT good if we had one.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, because Vin Mazzaro and Rajai Davis are the Michael Vicks of baseball.

You’re absurd.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

St Joe,

I wish you would be satisfied to simply rebut Porcupine and not simultaneously tell him he’s not allowed to post.

It’s totally great that we challenge people who make lame arguments; that’s how we keep the quality level high here at AN. But if you turn that into a culture of chasing away everyone who hasn’t got all the right answers, it will be the death of AN. I don’t want us to just be an echo chamber for right thinkers.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Then why am I still here?
It’s totally great that we challenge people who make lame arguments; that’s how we keep the quality level high here at AN.

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by mikev on Nov 22, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

{beams proudly}

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by mikev on Nov 22, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It certainly hasn't been the death of Lookout Landing or Beyond the Boxscore

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I love LL, but

I wouldn’t want AN to be like LL. We have a very different sort of community here.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Nov 22, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Still not dead last time I checked

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

NOT DEAD YET

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by mikev on Nov 22, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

If you put Josh Hamilton and Nelson Cruz in Bob Geren's team this year...

…the A’s win 100 games and go to the World Series. Easily.

Washington had some of the best hitters in baseball this year, Geren had Matt Carson. End of story.

by PL78 on Nov 21, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

same 'ol same 'ol

5 HR and 3 SB’s… would think we could do a lot better in the OF…

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

There's a 100 ways to skin a cat

and that’s not one of them… too bad we couldn’t have got Bautista

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

You can't skin a cat with 5 HRs and 3 SBs?

No wonder my cat is still around.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right, there's a lot of ways to build an offense, and HRs aren't the only one.

And SBs are FAR from the best one.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He only played 91 games last year because he suffered a freak injury, one that shouldn't hamper him this year.

But he also hit .318/.384/.443, which is very good, and has played excellent defense over his career. He’s a major improvement over Conor Jackson, Travis Buck or Rajai Davis.

by NateHST on Nov 20, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

he would’ve got more like 8 HR’s and 5 SB’s, lol

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

you could just ignore the part about his .318/.384/.443 hitting line, too.

by NateHST on Nov 20, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Injured?

Not surprised. Healthy guy for a hurt guy. lol… can it get any worse?

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You could keep going.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

FREAK injury.

He ran into a wall. This is much different than chronic knee, elbow, shoulder problems, or any other soft tissue type injury. He should be completely healthy by spring training.

by NateHST on Nov 20, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

or is probably healthy by now...

I don’t think it would take this long for his thumb to heal.

by sums95 on Nov 20, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Can anyone tell me a player

who has stolen 50 bases in the bottom of the lineup? Maybe that Brett Gardner for the Yankees? You know he has virtually the same stats as Rajai this year. I wonder if the Yankees are selling him for some minor league prospects, lol. Good team-Bad team

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Please, discover the reply function.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Fantasy Land

Grow Balls… we suck

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have any facts to support what you're saying, sir?

Anything legitimate at all? Or is it just I WATCH GAMES SO NUMBERS ARE DUMB.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

gardner's OBP is about

60 points better than rajai’s

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

i know it's funny

that you’re cherrypicking one stat that isn’t as important as the one i just gave you

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is that LOL?

Why is it hilarious that someone would point out that a dude does well when he gets on base?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude

He’s on the Yankees… if you have anything close feel lucky

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

could you clarify?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 20, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

every yankee posts a good on base because he is a yankee

duh

"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN

by hero66 on Nov 20, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think hero66 may have cracked the code

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 20, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

Assuming girls are sarcasm.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

you have girls lying around your house? Either thats really good or super creepy... I cant decide

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Why can't it be both?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Coco Crisp. Rajai Davis was NOTHING close to Gardner.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if we could've traded

Henry Rodriguez and Rajai Davis and maybe even a third guy like Mazzaro for Jose Bautista… with Outman coming back and Chris Carter coming up it sounds good

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

Doh too late

Toronto is laughing and Vegas will turn the A’s into a powerhouse

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, a nobody reliever, a nobody outfielder, and a nobody starter for a guy who hit 50 HR

In what universe does that trade work?

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

stop

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Do not feed the trolls.

"So, the A's new organizational philosophy involves adding Viking relievers? God save us all."
"Berserkers: the new market inefficiency."
-LonestarBall

by Zonis on Nov 20, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

Actually he's feeding himself, apparently

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

A self sustaining troll.

Crap.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Nov 20, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, whatever

At least my eyes are open. I’ve been an A’s fan all my life… my first A’s game was the game opener of Billy Ball season when we beat Seattle 16-1 back in ’80 or ’81… winners, and I can tell the difference between passion and just going to work… losers. Then and now. There is hope, but they need to make the right moves.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

Actually

I needed a multi-reply button for that one heh

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

you should really try to use the "close web browser" button

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 20, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Alt-F4

It’s the secret “make awesome things happen” key combination.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 20, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS JUST IN

The A’s are officially garbage now and Rajai will never win a championship. What a terrible day in baseball.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Scott Brosius disagrees

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 20, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

FIRE SCOTT BROSIUS

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Nov 21, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Does it matter?

Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?

by UncleLeo on Nov 20, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And there it is, ladies and gentlemen....

I WATCH THE GAMES SO MATHEMATICAL FACTS DON’T MATTER

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

How old are you ?? 80-81??

I’m gonna call your husband and tell him you’ve gotten out of your gimp suit

by CallMeDragon on Nov 21, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You are the minority

in the real A’s Nation… you can try to keep selling it though

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Nov 20, 2010 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

flagged for politics

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 20, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

{slide whistle}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity

Where is the real A’s Nation? The Black Hole at Raiders games?

by UrgentMirth on Nov 20, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It's down the hall to your right.

The interwebs can be confusing.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding.

The real A’s Nation has been waiting for a front page post from you for the last 28 Tuesdays.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 20, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

At least you came up with a half-way decent username, eh?

Keepin it close to the ‘never go full retard’ mantra, I love it.

by benza on Nov 20, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

What the hell

Taylor, Cardenas, Magnuson, Brown, Doolittle Added to 40-man roster.

How does this become DeJesus sucks and the A’s are doomed?

Poor DeJesus, he hasn’t even played for us yet and trolls are hating on him.

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Nov 20, 2010 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Is it a thing that someone in the A's organization did?

Then it means the A’s are doomed.

Seriously, bromotional, it’s basic logic.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I lose my internet connection for one day

And I miss the awesomest meta-thread ever. Really grates my cheese.

I love green because money be green.

by Joey C. on Nov 21, 2010 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

Trolls need to eat too.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

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