Taylor, Cardenas, Magnuson, Brown, Doolittle Added to 40-Man Roster
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This is nothing short of terrifying.
I just cannot fathom not tendering Cust a contract. Inexpensive, coming off a great year in which his stats should look good to even the non SABR community. Even if you do think he’s gonna fall off a cliff, which I think is a reasonable belief (although I personally don’t buy into it), tendering him a contract seems like a no brainer because he should have some trade value.
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by travdog6 on Nov 19, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Eh.
Compared to “parlous” it’s downright ordinary. And a bit “woody,” if you ask me.
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13 DINGERZZZZ = HE NO GUD @ HITTIN
Plus, after sending him down for fangraphs poster child Jake Fox (ugh, thanks a LOT, fangraphs), it appears the front office just plain doesnt like him. All of this (shudder) Berkman and (cry in a corner) Matsui talks further make Cust a deadman here.
Ideally we would keep him and give him 600 PA’s next year exclusively at DH, there’s a great chance he would be the AL’s best DH if we just played him every day. The way the team has dealt with Cust since 2009 has been shameful and maybe the biggest thing Ive disliked about the Beane regime.
i was shocked no one picked him up off waivers last year
he hits half his HR’s at the Colesium. No one hits half at the Colesium.
How many could he hit in a hitters park
not to mention he’s dirt cheap for his production
"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"
Still a little room to maneuver
Cramer, Figeuroa, Mortensen, Landon Powell, even Sogard or Tolleson…other than Powell nobody you’d regard as perfectly expendable, but none of them figure much into the future. Encarnacion’s situation has to be sorted before the deadline also, unless the A’s actually plan on paying him $5m+. The DFA candidates don’t have much to worry about from this roster crunch, imo. The salaries are what’s going to get them.
I’m surprised they protected Doolittle, and I’m a little surprised they didn’t protect Banwart. Just in terms of who might be picked up, it’s hard to see Doolittle being picked, let alone making a roster. Banwart might be able to sneak into someone’s bullpen. The K rate and the BB rate went up last year at Sacto. The 22% K rate was actually quite nice for a starter. Sample is obviously small (half a season), and he was typically middling at Midland in the first half before his promotion. I do remember reading somewhere that the scouting reports were coming around on him. Idk, that was the first glimmer of hope for him since Kane County and he really wasn’t good at Sacto even with the increased K rate. Just a guy you might want to see do some pen work before you let him go.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions
Scouting reports from the AFL were very down on him
Said he was high-80s without a plus breaking pitch. If the A’s were using the AFL to make the call on whether to roster him or not, and saw the same thing, then the decision would make sense.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That is good to hear, in a way...
Because first take upon hearing Banwart was not protected was that he would be taken from the A’s very quickly!
The reason Doolittle is on the list
is because another team could conceivably draft him then stash him on the 60 day DL for the rest of the season. His injury actually makes him more desirable to other teams in that aspect.
by Mr. Clean Sweep on Nov 19, 2010 6:51 PM PST reply actions
Yes and No
They can stash him, but as soon as they activate him, he has to go on the active roster, and I think that includes next year.
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Yep
Rule 5 does not allow you to finagle your way out of the requirements by sticking a player on the DL. That would be way too easy.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
and why would a team want to stash a guy who's had 120 at bats the last two seasons?
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, are you asking why they would do it if Rule 5 DIDN'T have that requirement that a player actually spend time on the active roster?
That’s easy. They’d do it to get control of a player they want who’s missing a large part of the season due to injury. It’d give a team the benefits of Rule 5 without the drawbacks.
It would also incentivize teams to make up fictional injuries for Rule 5 guys.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
But in this instance...
You’re talking about bothering to stash a guy who’s missed essentially three seasons (not to mention paying him major league salary). What’s the point?
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
They could send Doolittle to the minors for "re-hab" assignments
Back in 2009 there was serious talk about Doolittle being on the verge of getting called up. If he could ever get healthy he might not need too much more development time.
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Don't rehab assignments have to be limited to 20 days?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Can't they do more than one?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. This is basically how the A's lost Jared Burton
The Reds gamed the system with him, totally. After the Reds Rule 5’d him, they’d pitch him once and he’d walk four guys in a single appearance, then he’d get “injured” and get to do 20 days of rehab in AAA, which was obviously being used to give him the additional experience he needed to succeed in a big-league pen.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not only can the system be gamed
But I think an “injured” player can be kept in extended ST to build up their stamina and such until they’re ready to go on the re-hab assignment. That process could take 2-3 months easy.
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they gotta fix that loophole somehow
It kinda bastardizes the point of the Rule 5 draft if it makes an injured guy more attractive than a healthy one.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Which is one of the reasons why it's likely Brad Kilby will get picked
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you think so?
He’s not really a “stuff” guy though. Rule 5 picks usually are.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
But I think he's actually good even without being very "stuff-y"
Plus, he’s left-handed. He can be a 7th bullpen LOOGY when he is healthy.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
He's a lefty with excellent AAA numbers and a successful (if brief) stint in the bigs
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Eh
Any team could have claimed him on waivers a month ago. I don’t see him getting picked in Rule 5 when every single team had a free shot at getting his full rights.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And it's baffling that nobody took him.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Teams usually don't dick around with injured players
That’s why this Doolittle thing is kind of weird. I would have been shocked if someone had taken him in Rule 5.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Maybe the organization values him highly enough
That they don’t even want to risk it?
I mean, there’s no denying that he can hit when healthy.
Perhaps they think this can be the year he gets back on the field for a full one?
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Not just shocked, but, um... is Doolittle especially worth keeping at this point anyway?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
The org is so devoid of young left-handed hitting power.
If he pans out long-term, it would be so nice to sandwich him around the Carter/Taylor/Choice/Cabrera(?) group.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Why not consider him like FDLS
and say he lost two seasons now get well and let’s see what you can do? At least offensively — I gather his OF days are over and we’re not in need of a 1Bman for a while.
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He might develop into something. I don't know.
I’m just not going to get my hopes up.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should try a different approach
and draft someone named Dooalot.
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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The A's could never afford to sign him
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Or clean up after him.
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by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:11 AM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Mark my words:
In 2012, Corey Wimberly will lead the American league in HRs.
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There's a difference?
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I did love the bat before he went down with the injuries
He’s a really smooth hitter. I could see him turning into a Luke Scott type in a perfect world.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
20 days (30 for pitchers) for each injury, or recurrence of injury
And time played in the minors while on a re-hab assignment counts towards their big league service time.
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So with Braden, we could have gotten 300 consecutive days
just by destroying one toe at a time.
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Isn't that what we're doing?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
No, we stupidly destroyed two at once.
Very poor planning.
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Billy's hell-bent insistence
that Jack Cust is a baseball player not worth having should end the era of “In Billy We Trust” by default.
Rationalizing the Cust-hate takes the sort of mental gymnastics I’m just not capable of.
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The thinking on Cust has swung so far I'm starting to think AN is overrating him
Cust 2009: 15.2% BB 30.2%K .323 BABIP 38% GB 21% LD .240/.356/.417 1hr/20.52 AB
Cust 2010: 16% BB 29.9% K .392 BABIP 39% GB 24% LD .272/.395/.438 1hr/26.8 AB
Last year was a bit of a fluke. As you can see his season was almost static from his not particularly valuable 2009. You can go even deeper into his seasons on Fangraphs and it appears the biggest difference in his approach between the two seasons is that he swung at 3% more balls out of the strike zone, but he happened to make more contact on 6% more of those pitches. I don’t know how many extra balls that put in play, but it’s not enough to account for a 69 point increase in BABIP.
How thrilled are we all going to be with Cust if he hits .250/.370/.420? Would it really be such a crime to replace him with Berkman?
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
isn't the difference in BABIP
basically 20 hits over the 4 months he was in oakland? so 5 hits a month or 1 a week? That doesn’t seem outrageously high, especially of the LD and GB rates increased while the FB rate fell.
Am I totally off base on this?
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The increased LD rate seems to account for at least some of the increase in BABIP
I don’t know if the increased LD rate is sustainable, but it’s not as though the BABIP was higher because of a bunch of bloop singles or something. He hit the ball better.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Cust increased his career BABIP by about 15 points last year
Do I think he could match the new level? Yeah.
Can he keep hit 50 points above it again? Extremely doubtful.
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I believe it's PT who says LD rate fluctuates 5% with most players, year by year.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
So does the drop in HR's, and the likely related increase in doubles.
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even with a .392 BABIP, it would take over 50 more balls in play to acheive 20 more hits
It’s actually quite a feat. And his strikeout rate was static besides.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, this is totally beside the point.
Cust put 209 balls in play last year and 82 dropped for a .392 BABIP. a .323 BABIP would have produced 67.5 balls dropping. So an extra ball dropping for every roughly 8 put in play. It’s really not explicable by anything but luck.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Two things that could explain it to some extent: Increased LD% and the shift
Perhaps teams are shifting when they shouldn’t (or they aren’t shifting properly)?
Actually, you know what I noticed (meaning I have nothing to back it up and I could totally be wrong) a lot: Cust dropping liners over the head of the 2B when Barton was on first. Those are balls that are usually outs when the regular shift is on. It’s probably only a handful of extra hits a year, at most, but having Barton hitting in front of him and getting on first an ungodly amount likely got him a few extra hits based on the lack of the normal shift.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
...
Cust dropping liners over the head of the 2B when Barton was on first
I don’t know if I would call those “liners.” Those are the balls that I thought he was squaring up (to attempt to hit HRs) on before and now happy to dump a single into RCF.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 19, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
And that is why I say he's one of the smartest hitters in baseball.
I think he performs above his talent level because he’s just smart enough to say, “You know what, screw it, I’ve got the power, but I’m just taking the hits where I can, because the team needs hits.”
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
"You know what, screw it, I could hit a homer on this pitch,
but I’m just going to dump it into right field instead."
Hmmm. No.
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actually he DID sorta say that.
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that's actually quite dumb
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he did it because he felt that he needed to show the organization that he's a complete hitter
So I wouldn’t blame him…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
an illogical remedy to a potential logical premise
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think it would be less than a 10% chance that Berkman could put up a .790 OPS in the AL, in Oakland, and as a DH
And he’d do so at, probably, almost twice what it would cost to keep Cust.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
less than 10%? I think that's an exaggeration.
Still, it’s a good point. Cust is dependable. .250/.370/.420 isn’t sexy, but it’d make him the best hitter on the team (or right there with Barton). Berkman probably won’t be too much more expensive than Cust in his last year of arbitration though.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don't. I think Berkman would do, maybe, what he did for the Yankees. I think that would be about as good as anybody could reasonably expect.
He’s finished. He’s twice as finished as Giambi was two years ago.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I fear Berkman being on this team.
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by Helloooo 1st on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
What are you basing this on?
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
He's in his mid-30s, he's never DHed for an extended period before, he was terrible in his first taste of the AL (and DHing most of that)...
he’d be moving from a great hitter’s park to a big-time pitcher’s park. He’s been slowed down by injuries the past couple years.
I actually don’t see much reason to expect him to actually be very good anymore.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Should add that I probably overstated the Giambi comp.
I actually think Berkman could still be useful in the right place (the NL, specifically). I think more than Giambi, Piazza is the better comp to use here. With the exception of hitter’s to pitcher’s park, that’s a much more similar situation.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Piazza was 38. So was Giambi. Berkman is 34.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
not a good comparison..
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
maybe, maybe not
age is not a determining factor. Giambi had 200 ABs this year an played pretty well. Piazza was coming off a pretty good year was injured by fluke.
Berkman had some sort of phantom knee injury that surgery didn’t fix. Sure he played the rest of the year, and maybe he will be ok, but with mysterious injuries, I think its ok to be skeptical.
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I'm still not sure how Chavez relates to anything here...
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
"he" (chavez) doesn't
but neither does the age comparisons you made about Giambi and Piazza,
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What doesn't?
Of course, not one factor is the sole determinant of anything. But can it generally be agreed that 38 years olds are at higher risk of decline than 35 year olds?
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think they're both pretty close, actually. Anybody got numbers on this?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I just did the calculations
and I believe that 38 is 3 more.
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by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The Bill James projections project him for a .385 wOBA, which is optimistic, but even if mark him down for that and the "oakland effect", I still think he can put up an wOBA around .350-.360.
CHONE projections have him at a .267/.366/.491 line. He’s projected for nearly a win better than Cust. He also has more defensive value than Cust.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Those projections have him playing where? Which park? Do they apply the DH penalty (because he would DH 90-95% of the time)?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
In a neutral environment, CHONE thinks Berkman and Cust are roughly equal.
I don’t know if the Bill James projections assumes the same.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
That's fine. Park adjusted numbers say otherwise.
Also, how is the DH penalty applied? Do they assume Cust is DHing and Berkman isn’t? That matters?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Those park adjusted numbers you found on statcorner aren't projections...
And like I said, the numbers are in a neutral environment. They don’t assume Cust or Berkman are DHing.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Bill James projections are worthless.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, what about the year he predicted
that guy would have a 1.003 batting average. Did he?
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Small sample size. Anybody can bat 1.003 in a few at bats.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Although I usually consider you smart, this was quite an ignorant statement.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Bill James is currently about as valuable to sabermetric analysis as JC Bradbury.
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by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Humorous comparisons aside, you can at least explain why you think the projections are "worthless"
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he left out Jayson Werth?
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I'd love for you to elaborate...
Aren’t his projections consistently the most accurate out there?
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by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
All projection systems are "accurate" in the context they set up for themselves.
As to reality? Whichever is most accurate at predicting what actually happened differs year to year.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
No
CHONE and PECOTA are the industry standard right now.
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Is ZiPS no good?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's a slight step below, I think
It’s sufficiently good that if it and one of those two disagree wildly on a guy, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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I was hoping to be able to ignore the crappy projections
that ZiPS gave us. Now I can’t. Ugh.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the crappy ZiPS is mostly the pitching
and pitching projections are very unreliable no matter who is doing them.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
What do you define as "industry standard"?
Every projection system seems to fluctuate on how accurately they represent reality, year to year.
Case in point, PECOTA was the worst last year.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
(cancels subscription)
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
On a single-year basis, it fluctuates around
Historically PECOTA has been pretty accurate though.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Historically?
Have there been any studies (historical or otherwise) that’s been done to compare the accuracy of projection systems against one another? I’m having a hard time finding them. I’m also having a hard time seeing any clear “winners” or “losers”.
Found another end of the year (2006) evaluation though. In this one, PECOTA did very well on both pitchers and hitters. ZiPS was tops for pitchers, not so hot for hitters. CHONE was at the bottom for both. Bill James was top 3 in both and did better than ZiPS in one and better than CHONE in both (kinda makes nsj’s assertion that it’s completely “worthless” seem even more ludicrous).
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
http://sites.google.com/site/steamerprojections/2009-forecast-evalutions
Jared Cross and his students did a round-up of the 2009 sets.
If you just want the bottom line, he did the projection systems compared to Marcel (81-81) as standings list for an 162 games eason.
2009 OPS Forecast Standings
HITTERS
Chone – 93-69
ZiPS – 90-72
Oliver – 86-76
Marcel – 81-81
Fantistics – 79-83
PECOTA – 75-87
Sporting News – 73-89
Steamer 70-92
2008 – 43-119
PITCHERS
ZiPS 100-62
CAIRO 95-67
CHONE 91-71
Steamer 90-72
PECOTA 88-74
Oliver 82-80
Marcel 81-81
Fantistics 80-82
Sporting News 73-89
by D.Szymborski on Nov 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I saw that. That's what my first link linked to.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
We should hire you to solely work for AN
HIRED (not fired)
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
his defensive value is based entirely on 1B
I do not want Daric Barton sitting in favor of Lance Berkman.
-29834729 for yet another lazy assertion that there are players
who can hit in the NL but not in the AL.
This is nonsense. The NL is at a lower talent level than the AL but the difference in OPS terms is like .025, maybe.
There is a reason why we have park and league adjustments. Use them.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Well, considering that's not actually what I did even a teeny bit
There ARE park and league adjustments. And they all say Cust is better.
It’s not that “there are players who can hit in the NL but not the AL” but that “The AL is harder to hit in.”
Cust was significantly better than Berkman last year when you adjust for park (using wOBA). StatCorner doesn’t also adjust for league, and they don’t include a DH penalty. So, um, I really don’t understand your post.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
The retirement comments of last year are just such a red flag for me.
If you’re contemplating retirement, you’ve lost some of your fire. Your work ethic isn’t the same. And Berkman’s always been a pudgy guy as it is – not a real workout warrior. Can his skillset survive an erosion?
I don’t want him. I want Cust retained, and platooned at DH. 450 at-bats for $3.5-4M, and a .400 OBP. I’m cool with that.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think Berkman's way more likely to put up a .400 OBP than Cust.
I also think you’re blowing the retirement comments out of proportion. All I’ve heard is him saying that it’s a “remote possibility” and an “unlikely scenario”.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're way, way underselling the difference between NL/Minute Maid/playing a position and AL/Coliseum/DHing
A .400 OBP is absolutely not going to happen for Berkman. Probably won’t for Cust, either, but Berkman is more like a .340 OBP on the A’s. Cust has, you know, never had an OBP that low.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Probably true.
The projections do have Berkman playing in the AL though, but on the Yankees. In a neutral environment, I’d say Cust and Berkman are roughly equal.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Why is he a .340 on base with the A's?
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
I'm not sure what makes you think
Berkman would only put up a .340 OBP for the A’s. Even in his injury riddled, down season last year he managed a .368 OBP on the season (.372 with HOU and .358 with NYY). Prior to last season his career low mark was .386 in 2007. It’s not like he’s all of a sudden going to lose the ability to walk at age 35.
Berkman is one of the few guys I might actually be ok with using over Cust. He’s aging, but still just 35 unlike some of the other “veteran power” weve brought in lately and he’s only one year removed from a 140 OPS+ season. I don’t expect him to match that again, but if he’s healthy I think he could still be a middle of the lineup force. Maybe bring us a line in the .270/.380/.470 ballpark.
Damn.
I really had no idea that Berkman’s career OBP is .409.
That’s just damn impressive.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, Berkman was an amazing player. Don't think he's that anymore.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not thinking anything (I don't know how to)
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
That was me being lazy and not writing "I" at the beginning of the sentence.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
haha
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
All I can really add right now, is Scott Brosius.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
All Scott Brosius can really add right now is the solution to world hunger.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
If anyone can solve world hunger, it's Scott Brosius.
Because he’s already not hungry. He’s been on a sufficient-amount-of-nutrients-winning nation-state for almost 45 years running.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
He had a 122 ops+ in Houston before the trade.
114 ops+ for the season. 117 wRC+. He’s 34 (35 in Feb). Why would you think he’s done? Not based on his play last season. He was also coming off injury and got off to a slow start. Yeah, he wasn’t great in New York, but you’re talking 100 at bats in two months.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I named like 16 reasons why Berkman playing for the A's wouldn't be a good idea
Cust had a 128 OPS+ last year, by the way.
Yes, he’s 35. People think Cust is gonna fall off a cliff at 32, but a 35 year old Berkman won’t?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Who said Cust is going to fall off a cliff?
I was responding to your claim that Berkman is done. I don’t find your reasons to be compelling to be honest. Why should Berkman fall off a cliff (be finished) because he’s moving to DH and a tougher hitting environment? It’s a big leap with nothing really to back it up.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I never said Cust would fall of a cliff
And I’m not a Cust-hater either, if that’s what you’re assuming.
Fact is that Berkman was a HOF-caliber hitter until 2010 when he was hurt. I don’t see why one down year means he’s done. He’s only 35.
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
I take issue with "only 35"
Unless he’s on something – possibly a good assumption, I don’t know – players don’t tend to bounce back to a HOF level at that age. It could happen, I guess, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Frank Thomas did...
and Berkman was much better in 2010 than Thomas was in 2005, not to mention younger.
It is foolish to discount the chances that Berkman has a bounceback season.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I don't see how Berkman's 2010 was better than Thomas' 2005 in terms of rate stats
Thomas only played 34 games, but he was a better hitter (of course Berkman’s defensive value would trump that, but we’re talking about DHing here).
It’s certainly possible. I just think it’s incredibly unlikely. I think in the right situation he’ll be solid, and if he plays in the right park his regular numbers might look better than Cust’s (like Vlad’s did this year). But I don’t think he’s a viable option to replace Cust.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Thomas also had tons of DHing experience, and AL experience,
While Berkman has very little.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand the argument for "DH experience"...
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's a huge adjustment
Some guys hate doing it. Some guys don’t mind it.
Edgar Martinez was great at it; Pat Burrell couldn’t stand it and sucked at it.
I value that Cust is a known quantity at DHing.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I sense a "Bring Jose Vidro Back?" post on the horizon.
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I never knew he was here
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
And to piggyback off of this
Please no one use the “well, Frank Thomas was a HOF talent” blah blah blah, because if Berkman bounces back even remotely and can put together another 10-15 WAR over the rest of his career, he damn well deserves to be in the HOF.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, no, that's a quite valid point to make.
Frank Thomas was probably one of the best right handed hitters of his generation.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
so is Berkman
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
no he's a switch hitter
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Pam liked my old sig better.
i meant one of the best hitters of the generation
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I clearly said right handed. I win you lose.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
fair point he isn't a very good RH hitter
LH though….
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Righthanded, he's "only" an .850 OPS hitter or so
for his career.
(Obviously he’s likely not that good anymore, but even his righthanded line would have been an above-average 1B.)
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I saw a 108 wRC+ on fangraphs thats hardly that great as a 1bman.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't have to be a HOF-level
And the only reason he has to bounce back is because of injury. It’s not like it was a matter of him declining
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
I'm bookmarking this so that I can use it to clean up on a bet if the A's sign Berkman
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I wish there was some multiverse where Cust was on the team in one and Berkman the other
Because I was just thinking how I’d love to make loads of cash off everyone posting in this thread.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
?
You’re the one making comments like:
I think it would be less than a 10% chance that Berkman could put up a .790 OPS in the AL, in Oakland, and as a DH
I don’t. I think Berkman would do, maybe, what he did for the Yankees.
I think it’s far more likely people make lots of money off you.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
My desire to be proven right is not greater than my desire for the A's to win baseball games. I still hope they go with Cust over Berkman.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
those BABIP numbers are wrong
here are his four years in Oakland:
.355
.306
.319
.387
Overall he’s .338 for his career. Say you were to adjust last season to his BABIP career rate (taking out 10 singles) his slash line goes from .272/.395/.438 to .244/.372/.410, which looks a lot like his career line minus the power. So if those ten singles can be considered random noise, should expectations for Cust in 2011 be a little lower?
I’m not sure what Cust can make in arb ($3M?) but if $3-4M can get the same basic production along with some positional versatility, veteran leadership and/or some added power, I don’t think it’s a bad thing.
by scatterbrian on Nov 20, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Late reply, but
It’s not a matter of being thrilled or anything, it’s just that a line like that is clearly worth having on a team like Oakland. In some capacity.
I don’t think Cust is some criminally unheralded superstar, but I do think the attempts to pointlessly cut bait on him and/or stash him in Sacramento are goofy in the highest degree.
the oakland athletics: hittin' ain't easy
by walk off bunt on Nov 21, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Cust
he strikes out in over a third of his plate appearances, walked in about 20 percent of his plate appearances, and looked frustrated at the plate during the season. Id rather have the Pedro Cerano, or better yet, Dennis Haysbert, at least they knew they couldnt hit the curveball.
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 7:48 PM PST reply actions
walked in about 20 percent of his plate appearances
This is a very good thing.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
You're overlooking the part where he looked frustrated.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I know
It took a lot of me to keep from saying anything about that…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
90% of the game is mental
If he isnt where he should be mentally, thats going to ruin his game, happened to billy beane himself, but im sorry for watching the games and noticing things like that.
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
What am I thinking right now?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Tamales
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
No, the analysis is much appreciated.
Did Jerry Blevins seem distant to you last year?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No!!!!
Well maybe a tad.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
im not trying to be the joe morgan here
But there isnt anything wrong with doing things the old way of looking at the player and not the box score. (flame sheild)
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Any relation to James Sheild?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
he was his more popular long lost brother
but alas, with a name like that, he was not long for this world.
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad it wasn't Sue
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
"Doing things the old way"="the Joe Morgan here"
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know about Jerry, but Mark Ellis just didn't seem like the same old fun-loving Mark Ellis I fell in love with.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
90% of the game is not mental
90% of the game is having the talent.
If Jack Cust puts up a .380+ wOBA and walks 20% of the time while in a wrong place mentally, you’re argument is mush.
And just because Billy Beane thinks the reason he didn’t make it is because he wasn’t there mentally means nothing to me.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Beane was there mentally when he said that
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure. I wasn't there mentally when he might have
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
you should really lay off that stuff
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I would but when I'm not there mentally I can't resist it
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
damn, then when are you here mentally?
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
You mean you can't tell?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
i couldnt resist that stuff, i am nowhere near here mentally
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Resistance is 90% mental I hear
At least that’s what Bobby Bean told me
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but he was 70% gay
Not that there’s anything wrong with 40% of it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Was?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
And as for the other 60%...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUK6zjtUj00
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
It's also futile.
At least that’s what the Borg told me.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
90% of the game is derived from the buttocks.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and I do watch the games
Most of us do, so don’t pull that passive aggressive crap on me…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
if your going to pull the aggressive crap
then ill gladly be passive aggressive :)
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
ELL. OH. ELL.
It just gets me every time someone actually whips out the ol’ I WATCH THE GAMES AND I SEE THINGS YOUR SILLY MATHEMATICAL FACTS CAN NEVER SHOW YOU argument.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He looked frustrated?
I’ve had just enough brandy to actually enjoy this debate for once…Jack Cust looked like he was having a hell of a time this year. And why wouldn’t he? The dude was living on borrowed time, like that dude from that show in that decade. He just went out there and hit, and he looked like he was having a ball.
Also, walking in 20% of your PAs is a FANTASTIC thing to do with those PAs. Walking is an awesome thing to do. But you know what the important thing is? He GETS ON BASE IN 40% OF HIS PLATE APPEARANCES.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Cust haters are gonna say he strikes out too much
When I read moneyball I thought the point was that the most important thing for a baseball player to do is not get out. Cust gets out fewer than anyone. Are you gonna tell me it is better to ground out or fly out. I disagree after watching all the double plays kouz, suzuki and sweeney ground into.
by gambler on Nov 19, 2010 7:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
You just said the most important thing is to not get out
A strikeout is an out isnt it? At least when you hit a ground ball it creates a chance, however small, of getting on base.
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Cust .395 obp and Barton .393 obp
So are you saying Cust would be better if he popped out like Rajai or hit into double plays like Kouz.
by gambler on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget
or popped up like Suzuki or hit into double plays like Suzuki.
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Dont forget, that team across the bay had well beyond their fair share of double plays , i was forced to watch considering my roomates were all fans of theirs, worked out well for them
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
and...
are you saying cust is incapable of not hitting into a double play? Who is to say he would turn into a double play machine like a kouz, if he is as such a good hitter as you say he is, wouldnt a decrease in strikeouts and more contact lead to good results?
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Did you just say that hitting into double plays is what made the Giants champions?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously it was. They made outs on their own terms
It prevented the other team from getting too confident.
Gritty like a motherfucker.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
You're looking at what gambler said the wrong way.
Instead of looking at singles, doubles, strikeouts, popouts, etc., make it even simpler. Did he make an out or didn’t he? In Cust’s case, he was the best on the A’s last year at not making outs.
you know what proves getting on base. getting on base. hitting the ball and not getting on base is still not getting on base.
why is this so hard to understand.
Yeah, but strikeouts don't turn into double plays.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 23, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Except when Geren is DUH enough to start the runner from 1B.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I read Moneyball and thought it was about exploiting market inefficiencies.
During a contract holdout with Oakland in the early 1990s, Henderson said, "If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego."
by Man Bear Pig on Nov 19, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
It was almost 300 pages long.
It was about a lot of things, all at the same time.
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
I thought it was mostly about Giambi's anus.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hahahaha
Wow. Just, wow.
Where does that come from???
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Chapter 7
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Giambi's anus was bankrupt?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
It was a market inefficiency.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:19 AM PST up reply actions
Moneyball is NOT about the damn Giants
Fantasy Sports Columnist for Big Cat Country
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 19, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
PROVE IT
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
Who is this Paul Thomas...
and what’s the big deal about him?
by finleyforever on Nov 19, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I pretty much only write two kinds of fanposts:
News items and magnum opi.
The latter are, for obvious reasons, rare.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Because it's hard to get Tom Selleck?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
[makes hand-flying-over-head gesture]
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
(smiles while driving away in Ferrari)
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the best thread ever.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
magnum pi
was tom sellecks teevee show
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
recced
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 4:20 AM PST up reply actions
MAGNUM PI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GyuozXtnQ
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
oh...wait...
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
"opus" is a neuter noun, third declension.
So correct plural is magna opera.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
You're a neuter noun
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
This marks a first: PaulThomas used a word I have never seen before.
I had no idea what parlous meant, though it’s similarity to perilous sorta made my brain think that’s what it meant by accident.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:01 PM PST reply actions
Parlous: It's a fine line between clever and dangerous
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
I want to write a TV series about a crafty detective who doesn't play by the rules named Viz Parlous,
with a bunch of supporting characters whose names are also words that only PT uses.
“Hi. The name’s Viz Parlous. I’d just been out working a case when Chief Colorable called me into his office.”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
If he's crafty, he'll be left-handed and middle-aged, of course.
Billy Beane... What have you done for me lately?
Is the main villain named Kettle of Fish?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Nah, a crooked cop called Sgt. Value
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Buck's holding a place for Iwakuma
E5 is still a candidate to get non-tendered.
Banwart didn’t really have any place on the 40 man with Iwakuma expected to join the fold. Counting the imported arm, the A’s will have 9 SP on the 40 man roster.
I think Cust does get tendered a contract. I’m not sure if he’s around Opening Day though.
The monster at the end of this blog.
yeah
I could definitely see a couple of this arb-eligible guys get tendered contracts…and then be used as trade pieces, with the A’s swallowing salary.
If the A’s eat a few million for each guy, there’s plenty of teams that would love to have Kouz, Cust, or E5 at the low price of ~$1M.
That strategy netted the A’s Joey Devine for the remnants of Kotsay, and Rosales in a similar type of deal.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I guess KK or EE are holding a place for Beltre
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Eating two pieces of crow:
The first is actually relevant to this thread: I tip my cap to grover and PT, both of whom predicted Brown would be protected; I did not (we all agreed on the other three). Doolittle was very surprising.
The other is entirely unrelated, but I found it amusing to learn that Oakland is one of four teams on Justin Upton’s no-trade list. Prior to his extension, I dreamed of him being a free-agent splurge for the A’s as they entered a new stadium. The fact that he finds the A’s to be one of the four least desirable situations in baseball kind of exposes the ridiculousness of that. :)
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions
Well, it's possible that a new stadium would change Upton's mind.
As for Brown, I’m surprised he was protected only because I don’t think a team would select him and then watch him bat .160 in the Majors for a season.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
I went from finding Upton interesting and hoping we get him
To thinking he is an asshole in about 3 seconds today.
/Not happy
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Nov 19, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
He’s going to put four teams on there… does that automatically make him an asshole, or is he specifically an asshole because Oakland is so transcendently wonderful?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It's somewhat interesting that he decided to put Detroit and Oakland on the list and not Pittsburgh
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, a smart player
will be strategic about it and not just list the four cities he least wants to go to. Rather, it would be the four that he least wants to go to that might actually trade for him. Putting teams that won’t trade for you anyway on your list is a waste.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
So he picked the ones with the best systems that he least wanted to play for. Cool.
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Likely
Next year I’d expect Kansas City to appear on the list.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It already is, no?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Is it?
Well, good for him…
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Why is it smart to not want to play for a team that everybody thinks will be very good very soon?
(Granted, I think they’ll find a way to fuck it up, because that’s how Kansas City do.)
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Because they'd probably have to trade Moustakas for him
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2010 3:16 AM PST up reply actions
PIttsburgh's stadium is gorgeous.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
This
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
this = pittsburgh spends no money
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
So's Detroit's
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, c'mon we love our hometown/home team
Of course any rational human being wouldn’t blame him, but as an A’s fan MAY A CURSE BE UPON HIM!
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
It’s offensive from a fan perspective to have a player not want to play for your team regardless of any reasonable or rational thinking behind the decision.
Now I have to hate him forever.
I'm calling him an asshole
As an A’s fan.
If I was a player, I’d put the Coliseum on my “No thanks” list too.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
it was ridiculous long before we found out about his no trade list
at least you have finally come to terms with it, though.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
The A's are going to trade 11 mediocre prospects for Hanley Ramirez this offseason,
and you’ll be eating some crow yourself quite soon.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'd actually be curious to see a trade like this 10-15 years after the fact
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I really do think they would win more than 50% of the time
Honestly, if a superstar were worth >5 WAR/year for 3-5 years and you were to deal 11 fringe guys, I really think that at least or 2 would make it as 2-3 WAR guys for 3-4 years.
Obviously, I lack stats, but I do believe I’m relatively right…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
Nearly guaranteed you are
Fringe guys are infinitely replaceable. If you look at what Billy Beane is great at, its finding fringe guys to be major league average players. Star, on the other hand, are very tough to find.
This is why I think we overrate a ton of prospects in the A’s system, FWIW. The ability to mature and become a utility man, or set up reliever, or league average corner outfielder isn’t much. We really have no players that you can say have a great chance of being a star.
I thought it wouldnt be fringe guys...
more like 10-15 B-/C+ prospect type players…
2/3 would have to amount to decent players, right?
Brown is the kind of guy who could be really bad until he's 26 or 27 and then become good
He’s extremely unpolished relative to the usual prospect at his age and experience level.
I think the A’s are trying to avoid a repeat of the Nelson Cruz situation.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Was there a chance he'd actually stay on another 25 man roster the whole season?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
If Jay Marshall can stay on a 25-man roster for a whole season, anything is possible
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Ugh
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Say, have we released him and signed him lately?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
(waits for new list of transactions)
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think that beard he grew was the final straw.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
This made me laugh
And then think about shaving
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
The ninth fastest thirty year old in San Francisco
by bobnothing on Nov 20, 2010 1:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
thumbs up
Some Soccer By Ives-style discussion questions
one of my favorite blogs
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
wanted to add one more thing. if you regress Cust's BABIP to .350...
for this past season, and you maintain his singles and doubles distribution (and 13 home runs), his line would have been .246/.362/.406. .350 would be well above his .338 career BABIP, ftr. Actually didn’t realize the dip in his numbers would be quite that big.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions
So if Cust did a bunch of some things worse, but the same at other things, he'd be worse? Well, yes.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
not if he did anything worse, rather, if his batted balls fell in a more typical fashion.
by AgitationStation on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
His LD% increased.
Not surprising that his BABIP did as well. If he swings for the fences again, his BABIP will go down and his SLG will go up. So it goes.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
His line drive percentage went up 3%
That amounts to about seven extra line drives on the season.
by AgitationStation on Nov 20, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Why would you regress his BABIP and maintain his singles & doubles distribution?
Did you not watch him hit this year? It was a very purposeful approach he had, he was trying to swing more and get more base hits. If he stopped doing that, he’d have gone back to his original approach of watching tons of pitches, walking more, and hitting more home runs.
He may have hit more HRs
I doubt he would have walked much more.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, here's an idea!
Let’s take a fanpost that was supposed to discuss roster moves and turn it into another debate over whether or not Cust is good!
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
Cust and his place on the 40-man is relevant though.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I agree
I wasn’t referring to your discussion, more those who decide to just add comments about Cust for no good reason and don’t have anything else to add to this fanpost…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I did kind of ask for it in the opening
I’m OK with it, and only partly because it might have exposed me to an opportunity to take a bet at some really sweet odds.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
heh
Yeah, I know?
I really don’t mind the most of it, but like I said to JD, it’s the shit where people decide to chime in with the same bull we hear time and time again…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
There should be a rule against using percentages in posts
AKA, if you post that there is only a 10% chance Lance Berkman puts up a .790 OPS, you are legally liable to back at least a $20 to win $200 wager on this.
The irony is, what JD probably means/feels, is like “There is a 47% chance Lance Berkman puts up a .790 OPS”…which, to be honest, I might still take the over.
That'd be a great rule for journalists.
I’m looking at you, Bruce Jenkins
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"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
because
jack cust is obviously so damn interesting
by Tristanisthebest on Nov 19, 2010 9:47 PM PST reply actions
Someone should write a fanpost comparing the DH candidates
I think (I hope?) that there’s consensus that Berkman is better than Matsui.
Vlad, Manny, and Jim Thome are all far more likely to sign with other teams (I can’t see the Twins letting Thome leave, right?)
But it would be worth doing an in-depth analysis of Cust vs. Berkman. Could you justify signing both, and putting Cust in right field occasionally if Sweeney ends up slow in his rehab?
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions
Would Cust or Berkman be a better RF option in this scenario?
Years ago, it was probably Berkman (not that he was good, but he was less horrendous, I think). Can he even play the OF anymore?
Berkman is better than Matsui if he’s Berkman, but I have more confidence in Matsui being at least decent. Berkman could be Frank Thomas 2006, or he could be what he was with the Yankees last year. I don’t trust his bounce back ability.
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Cust in RF
Berkman can’t play RF anymore. I don’t think Berkman can even remain healthy if he’s in the field anymore.
I view DH’s as falling into two categories***: guys who shouldn’t play the field, because they are bad at it – Cust, Dunn – and guys who literally can’t play it without their bodies falling apart. That last category is Matsui, Thome…maybe Berkman at this point in his career. I think Berk can get away with playing 50 games at first – backing up Barton, every day for a few weeks during a Barton DL stint – but no way can he be an outfielder at this point. I saw him chase a foul ball in the playoffs and land on his back and he looked like he needed the Life Alert lanyard around his neck.
Guys in that first category are more valuable. It provides greater roster flexibility to be able to put Cust in the outfield without worrying about him hurting himself…even if he’s bad at it.
"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango
by notsellingjeans on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I REMEMBER that 1/3 of a run!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What about trading for Sizemore?
His will come cheaper than Upton and has a higher WAR than Beltre. If his injuries hamper his fielding, he can DH and still rest the OFrs. Sounds better than Matsui.
I have a feeling Cle is waiting until he has actual value to deal him
Unless someone is giving more than he’s worth right now…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
Then this would be a perfect time to trade for him
His physical return is questionable, while his upside can be huge. He would be easier to obtain than Choo.
What would you give up -- Ynoa and Weeks?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
They just lost Westbrook, right?
So they may be interested in a starter. Ross, Ynoa, and Weeks would be a start
Sizemore's not likely to be very good in 2011
He might not ever be very good again. Microfracture surgery is no joke.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
What's the deal with microfracture surgery?!?
Boom. It’s now a joke.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 20, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds like a Jay Leno kind of joke.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, just add stupid giggling at the end of it.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
How many guys have totally bombed after microfracture surgery? I know Amare Stoudamire is pretty good after his surgery (yes, i know its basketball, not baseball, but he’s the only guy i know off the top of my head that had the surgery)
He just had it though
we will see if he ever makes it back. Kind of serves them right for drafting a middle aged man clearly in his early 40s though.
He just had it *again* you mean.
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Well yeah
But he’s made of glass
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
Seems pretty common for basketball players
Chris Webber – not the same after surgery
Grant Hill – never the same
Tracy McGrady – never the same (although it could be the myriad of back problems)
Penny Hardaway, Kenyon Martin…
A quick search shows Brian Giles and Chad Tracy as baseball players that have had it. Giles seems to have recovered before old age took it’s toll. i’m not sure about Tracy’s situation
Okay, so, the 40-man is currently full.
The A’s don’t usually head into the Rule 5 with a full 40-man, I don’t think. Plus, they’re hoping to sign Beltre (and I’m sure a couple others). And of course they’ll need to make room for Iwakuma at some point.
So who gets non-tendered? The 40-man is going to change a lot in the next few weeks. There really aren’t a ton of non-tender candidates, especially if Beltre does not sign here (by then, anyway).
Encarnacion, Buck, and Cust are really the only three, I think. They might jettison Tolleson.
So who goes?
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by thejd44 on Nov 19, 2010 9:59 PM PST reply actions
Jackson could still be non-tendered
I’m not writing it off…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Surely if we write enough comments here about how utterly loony keeping Jackson over Cust would be
someone would have to sit up and take notice, right?
What about if we go picket the Coliseum with “Cust died for your sins” and “God hates Conor Jackson” signs?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It certainly worked with Chavy last March.
Wait…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You mean they're going to sign Conor to a six year deal?
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
We picketed the Coliseum last March?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Well, no one else showed up so it was kind of embarrassing
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Not even Cindi?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Midterm retake
And no, she didn’t pass.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'll be there!
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!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Nov 20, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
CUST TRIED HE NEVER LIED
?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They can still trade DFA Kouzmanoff and then trade him if they sign Beltre
Or they could trade him before the Rule 5 if they find a deal they like
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Non-tendering............
……….. The Mighty Cust? S’easy. You can always sign him later. No other team in baseball is dumb enough to take him on. Guys that never get a hit that means something in the late innings are not in big demand. Beeeg Bapip though.
Except last year Cust was coming off a down year
And frankly, if I was Jack Cust and I was non-tendered the 2nd year in a row by a team that I was consistently the best hitter on, I would want nothing more than to sign with another team just to stick it to them.
Trust me, this time around, someone will want Jack Cust.
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Right, but given the verified true fact that
Cust never gets a hit that means something, will other teams want that?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sure, they've got other players to make his hits mean things
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
What woke up Cust last year
was that he was DFA’d. And that happened because he STUNK in ST with 1/2 of his outs coming via the SO. That includes his last ST game against the Gints when he SO 3x, the last with the bases loaded. I have to hand it to him that he was able to turn his year, and probably his career around by changing his approach at the plate. We also need to keep him because now that Rajai is gone, Jack is the fastest guy on the team. At least according to his XM interview. I say we move him to leadoff, and let him run.
What the hell are you talking about?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
spring training numbers are 100% useless and meaningless
If we had a full year of Cust we would have won more games, simple as that.
Not really...
But if you want to state it as fact, that’s on you. Simple as that.
by SeanR on Nov 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Your first dependent clause and your second one
actually contradict one another.
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by Nico on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Can you explain why you think stats are wrong?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Because there are none?
What stats do you want me to use for Cust’s April, had he been on the major league team?
I find it baffling that people are willing to say Spring Training means nothing. It means something. Would I weight it the same as regular season play? No way. But if you were creating a math model to predict Cust’s April, do you think your model would have a higher or lower accuracy by including, say, 5% weight to Spring Training, which was the previous week?
well, yeah they mean something
but Chavez was worse. I think ultimately, that’s the point, Cust was obviously the best optoin, yet was DFA’d anyway.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
He's right.
Is it a “fact”? No. But is it a statistical certainty? Absolutely. You’re saying that there’s a chance that Cust would have hit worse than Chavez/Fox in that first month?
Why is everyone saying tomato?
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ChiSox and Yankees both will take him.
You are wrong about everything.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
if Chisox miss out on Dunn
I bet they will swoop on Cust very quickly and he will hit 35+ HR with a 900+ OPS there.
About half the teams in the AL could use a DH this year.
You bet Tampa Bay, NYY, the White Sox, Tigers, Mariners, Orioles, or Angels will take him.
And, an NL team could very easily use him as a stopgap 1B/LF.
Disappointed this hasn't come up yet on this thread...
Who, most realistically, gets drafted in the rule 5 draft from us? I think there are only 3 that really have a shot of the guys Paul named. No reason to draft Sulentic when OPS is trending down so clearly, and upside is limited. I’m not sure that a team can afford to stash Josh Horton for a year, just to come out with, at best, an average SS or 2B. That’s probably a stretch to even give him that as a ceiling.
The 3 players I could see being picked up are Carignan, Banwart, or Simmons.
Simmons I’m thinking is still not very likely. While he’s got the first round draft status on him, he hasn’t shown that kind of talent – no overwhelming K rate, no overwhelming BB rate to cover for it, and some injury problems on top of it all. That just doesn’t feel draftable. If it is, its because some team thinks they can stash a mop-up reliever on the MLB roster…and that Simmons would actually be able to develop on that role. I don’t think so.
Banwart and Carignan I think both have decent shots of being added. Banwart has the stats, and more importantly, the health. I’m not sure he has a TON of upside, but he probably can be one of those 5.00 ERA 5th starters that some teams employ. For example, I think the Pirates could easily stomach starting Banwart all season over Morton, etc, and see if he can develop. If you can’t find a way to give the SP consistent innings in the majors, I don’t think you can take him, since I’m not seeing a point to converting Banwart to relief. Still, there might be better SP candidates to do this to…but Banwart seems like a better pick than Cassevah of a year ago for this role.
Carignan, on the other hand, fits the rule 5 draft idea perfectly to me. I don’t think he will ever fix his control issues, but he’s got the K potential to think he might be able to stick in a bullpen somewhere. The major problem is injuries, and its concerning that the A’s don’t seem to actually know what exactly was wrong with him, but supposedly he is healthy. Draft him, and if he sucks in Spring Training, gets hurt, or still walks a batter per inning, cut him back to the A’s and move on. Might not be that hard to Jay Marshall him, though, and steal a potential prospect.
Overall, though, I guess I trust the A’s judgment. If they found a reason to protect Sean Doolittle over any of these guys, they must think upside is very limited (Banwart) or injuries are too great (Carignan).
I follow from out of town so I’d be interested to hear what some of you who probably know more, think about this.
I don't trust the A's judgement on the Rule 5 Draft however
since they always seem to pick the wrong guys, and their methodology for the Rule 5 seems all wrong (focusing on best-case-role-play-backups rather than best case stars).
"So, the A's new organizational philosophy involves adding Viking relievers? God save us all."
"Berserkers: the new market inefficiency."
-LonestarBall
You are so not Ben Copeland's dad.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What has this got to do with who the A's protect FROM the Rule 5 draft?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
If they don't know who to look for in the Rule 5, then do they know who to protect?
"So, the A's new organizational philosophy involves adding Viking relievers? God save us all."
"Berserkers: the new market inefficiency."
-LonestarBall
Jay Marshall, obviously.
A guy like that only comes around once in a blue moon every few months.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
When's the last time an A's player who was any good got taken in Rule 5?
I think they know who to protect.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Taken, dude
Was on A’s. Drafted. Not on A’s anymore.
Ryan Goleski was taken BY the A’s.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Something in the back of my noggin makes me think we lost someone mildly good around 2003
Upon further inspection, losing Jared Burton in 2006 is really the only guy who did anything in the Majors (and even then it’s nitpitcking).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5_draft_results
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 24, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I guess there's Alexi Ogando
but that’s kind of a weird case, because he was banned from entering the USA for five years.
I think it’s safe to say that the A’s are very good at knowing who they need to keep protected.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
And he changed from a position player to a pitcher
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I could see Horton getting taken as an Everth Cabrera type
Honestly, though, I wouldn’t be upset by any of these guys getting drafted other than Joseph, and him I would expect to get back eventually. (I’d still be annoyed, though, because it would screw with his development.)
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Horton isn't good at all though he cant hit and hes not a great fielder
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
It's unfair to say he "can't hit"
He doesn’t have any power. His OPS is never going to be very high. But he could give you a decent OBP and eat some pitches to run up the opposing starter’s pitch count at the bottom of the order.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Chone projects him as -29 with the bat and -19 with the glove. Why would anyone want that?
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 21, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
Projections for anyone who hasn't at LEAST hit the crap out of AAA are almost uniformly terrible
The very fact of a guy getting called up, or in this case Rule 5 drafted (if it happens), is in and of itself evidence tending to show that the projection is wrong.
That’s sort of weird. I can’t quite put my finger on why right now, but there’s some double-counting going on in here somewhere.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
double counting where?
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 22, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
Is he someone who isn't Bob Geren?
Then yes, everyone but PaulThomas would support that. (PT doesn’t think managers affect anything significantly.)
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I find its generally best not to speak for others. PT can say whether or not he wants Lansford on his own... Hes a big boy.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Is he cheaper than Geren?
If not, I’d rather have Geren.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Pure Massacre
We look like the Denver Broncos. Actually, I think they look better. You know if they took down all of those World Championship signs it may justify everything.
Optimistic...
On the topic of the broncos and a's...
Broncos RBs under Shanny and the zone blocking scheme= A’s pitchers with the great defense behind them, right?
Just a Rant
Rajai for more pitching, huh… DeJeWho??? Come on Man. You spit on Oakland. It appears we have a huge chance to sell out games this year. Well, if your gonna put a sorry lineup on the field, you’re going to need to be making good decisions come game time.That shouldn’t be a problem for Geren, right? He is the KING of game-time decisions.He needs to be more of a slave driver. The guys on this team are soft. And take a little flack from players instead of putting them on the DL to prove a point. It hurts the team. But, judging by Curt Young’s release after posting the best team ERA in the American League, it isn’t all about winning. What does a man have to do to get paid in Oakland? Only injury prone players get signed. It was good to see Ron Washington in the World Series, another one we turned down for a job.They need to donate the A’s to the Red Cross to justify the lack of high profile players and to feed the poor mouth of the owner.
Optimistic...
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by mikev on Nov 20, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
love the pic
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
It was the most work safe non offensive thing I could come up with in response to that post
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Feel free to offend
If we do better than last year, I’ll have my words to eat forever.
Optimistic...
Because that's what Bay Area sports fans ALWAYS do when they turn out to be wrong.
Did you know that nobody in the Bay Area thought the 49ers would be good this season? And none of them thought Alex Smith would be any good. But they all knew the Raiders would really show something this season.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow this is the most uniformed shit ive seen posted in a long time.
DeJeWho??? Come on Man.
Hes a significantly above average starting OFer that plays a position that we got negative production compared to AAAA players last year. He is probably a four win upgrade on what we put out last year.
You spit on Oakland. It appears we have a huge chance to sell out games this year.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA even if we win the WS we will not sell out games until the very end of the year, if that.
But, judging by Curt Young’s release after posting the best team ERA in the American League, it isn’t all about winning. What does a man have to do to get paid in Oakland?The A’s offered Young a 40% raise and he turned them down. The A’s did not release young.
It was good to see Ron Washington in the World Series, another one we turned down for a jobWashington is a bad manager, he benches good players for no reason and is atrocious managing a bullpen.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Just a rant
That’s all. And I haven’t been following the A’s much since football started. R-A-I-D-E-R-S!!!! Thanks for the update on my bad assumptions. If most are in support, I will support that.
Optimistic...
Well maybe you should inform yourself before you vomit faulty assumptions all over other people.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I did. Turns out, you never informed yourself.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
This team that I want to root for is imploding…. and everyone is ok with it…. If you think that all fans are ok with it you’re trippin
Optimistic...
Buddy, I don't give a shit what ignorant, uneducated, uninformed fans think of Billy's moves this offseason.
They’re wrong. The team isn’t imploding.
Here’s what we had in 2010: A half-season of a good outfielder, four solid defensive IFs, three solid offensive IFs, a dead catcher, an excellent DH, and four above-average starters.
Here’s what we have now: Two good outfielders, four solid defensive IFs, three solid offensive IFs with a very good possibility of adding a fouth, a dead catcher, an excellent DH, and five above-average starters.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm all for Kurt coming back from the dead.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
that would be a huge help
If we can pull a 750+ OPS out of him things would look very promising. Lets just hope if we get bats Bob doesnt hit him 3, 4 or 5 though…
I would love to see that OBP above .350 for him...
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
bury him in the pet cemetary,
he’ll be back in a jiffy.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 23, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
If you don't mind me asking
how much was 40%… was it enough or is he headed elsewhere?
Optimistic...
It appeared that Boston made Young an offer he couldn't refuse...
by scatterbrian on Nov 20, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
this isn't speed brick
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Nov 20, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
need to add
young was offered a multi-year contract too. The A’s did all they could do to keep him but he wanted a new start.
Wow, how much wrong shit can there be in just one comment?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Enough with the cussing, please.
Thx.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You are golden.
As someone who enjoys and appreciates the Athletics’ front office and ownership, I like the fact that you are here. You might just single-handedly get the usually pessimistic crowd to defend the organization for a rare moment.
I don’t why I hadn’t thought of this before: create a second username [say a prickly animal] and write some absurd $#!^ about why the sky is falling only to see how other members — the ones who already have some sympathies for Henny Penny — will react.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2010 4:16 AM PST up reply actions
Have you been around this month at all?
AN has been loving Billy’s moves this offseason. Most of us have eventually come down on the side of not liking the Rajai trade, but the rest of this offseason, most of us have been squarely in favor of.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 22, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Um, I wouldn't agree with this
I think most are waiting until more dominoes fall before they laud or destroy Beane for this offseason…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Allow me to retort
DeJesus seems like same ‘ol, same ’ol… and by trading a known player for a new player will no significantly better skillset, it’s useless. Downgrade IMO. You spit on Oakland every year… my opinion holds. And 40% of Curt Young’s salary probably wasn’t enough… And for you to put down Ron Washington after all those years in Oakland… not to mention having to watch him win the pennant for our division rivals was total BS
Optimistic...
an 827 ops out of left field is hardly "same 'ol, same 'ol"
[sic]
Curt Young also probably wants to manage. Pitching coaches from teams like the A’s don’t get shots, but pitching coaches from the Red Sox (see: John Farrell) do. To that end, 40% was meaningless. He’d have gone if we offered 70%, more than likely.
how is DDJ the same ole same ole?
His .363 wOBA would have been 2nd on the team last season to Cust.
Please don't retort anymore.
DeJesus seems like same ‘ol, same ’ol… and by trading a known player for a new player will no significantly better skillset, it’s useless. Downgrade IMO.
Sorry, you couldn’t be more incorrect.
You spit on Oakland every year
Who are you talking to? You, uhm, realize that Billy Beane and Lew Wolff don’t hang out here, right?
And 40% of Curt Young’s salary probably wasn’t enough
Are you from Narnia? I don’t believe you’re a real person. You can’t even identify the actual problem with the A’s offer to Young. You’re just saying, “What? 140% of what they paid him the year before? THEY SPIT ON CURT YOUNG EVERY YEAR.”
And for you to put down Ron Washington after all those years in Oakland
When I was a kid, I thought everybody who played, coached, and managed for the A’s was the best ever. But I grew up; you should do the same. An A’s uniform doesn’t make someone good at their job. He was a fine defensive instructor; he’s a terrible manager.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
...um, with facts?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
?????
what
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
To the contrary. I always knew he never fell off. I thought he should have been starting the moment the NFL let him back in.
Added him to my fantasy team (I know, I know, nobody cares about my fantasy team) the moment he became available last year, because I knew Vick was a legitimate elite quarterback, and I knew he’d prove it when given the opportunity.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Right, because Vin Mazzaro and Rajai Davis are the Michael Vicks of baseball.
You’re absurd.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
St Joe,
I wish you would be satisfied to simply rebut Porcupine and not simultaneously tell him he’s not allowed to post.
It’s totally great that we challenge people who make lame arguments; that’s how we keep the quality level high here at AN. But if you turn that into a culture of chasing away everyone who hasn’t got all the right answers, it will be the death of AN. I don’t want us to just be an echo chamber for right thinkers.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Then why am I still here?
It’s totally great that we challenge people who make lame arguments; that’s how we keep the quality level high here at AN.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
It certainly hasn't been the death of Lookout Landing or Beyond the Boxscore
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love LL, but
I wouldn’t want AN to be like LL. We have a very different sort of community here.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Still not dead last time I checked
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
If you put Josh Hamilton and Nelson Cruz in Bob Geren's team this year...
…the A’s win 100 games and go to the World Series. Easily.
Washington had some of the best hitters in baseball this year, Geren had Matt Carson. End of story.
There's a 100 ways to skin a cat
and that’s not one of them… too bad we couldn’t have got Bautista
Optimistic...
You can't skin a cat with 5 HRs and 3 SBs?
No wonder my cat is still around.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You're right, there's a lot of ways to build an offense, and HRs aren't the only one.
And SBs are FAR from the best one.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
He only played 91 games last year because he suffered a freak injury, one that shouldn't hamper him this year.
But he also hit .318/.384/.443, which is very good, and has played excellent defense over his career. He’s a major improvement over Conor Jackson, Travis Buck or Rajai Davis.
You could keep going.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
agreed
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
FREAK injury.
He ran into a wall. This is much different than chronic knee, elbow, shoulder problems, or any other soft tissue type injury. He should be completely healthy by spring training.
or is probably healthy by now...
I don’t think it would take this long for his thumb to heal.
Can anyone tell me a player
who has stolen 50 bases in the bottom of the lineup? Maybe that Brett Gardner for the Yankees? You know he has virtually the same stats as Rajai this year. I wonder if the Yankees are selling him for some minor league prospects, lol. Good team-Bad team
Optimistic...
Please, discover the reply function.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's all the same discussion in which you try to convince people that the sky is orange.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have any facts to support what you're saying, sir?
Anything legitimate at all? Or is it just I WATCH GAMES SO NUMBERS ARE DUMB.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
gardner's OBP is about
60 points better than rajai’s
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
i know it's funny
that you’re cherrypicking one stat that isn’t as important as the one i just gave you
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Why is that LOL?
Why is it hilarious that someone would point out that a dude does well when he gets on base?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
every yankee posts a good on base because he is a yankee
duh
"The A's have to be setting some record this year for simultaneously maximizing team quality and player anonymity. I guess that’s sort of their thing though." - Luke in MN
Me too.
Assuming girls are sarcasm.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Apparently all the stuff lying around my house is sarcasm
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 20, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
you have girls lying around your house? Either thats really good or super creepy... I cant decide
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 20, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Why can't it be both?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Coco Crisp. Rajai Davis was NOTHING close to Gardner.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if we could've traded
Henry Rodriguez and Rajai Davis and maybe even a third guy like Mazzaro for Jose Bautista… with Outman coming back and Chris Carter coming up it sounds good
Optimistic...
Right, a nobody reliever, a nobody outfielder, and a nobody starter for a guy who hit 50 HR
In what universe does that trade work?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
stop
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Do not feed the trolls.
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Actually he's feeding himself, apparently
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by kaweahkaweah on Nov 20, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
A self sustaining troll.
Crap.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Nov 20, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, whatever
At least my eyes are open. I’ve been an A’s fan all my life… my first A’s game was the game opener of Billy Ball season when we beat Seattle 16-1 back in ’80 or ’81… winners, and I can tell the difference between passion and just going to work… losers. Then and now. There is hope, but they need to make the right moves.
Optimistic...
You should really try to use the reply button. It makes it much easier to understand who you're trying to talk to.
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by xbhaskarx on Nov 20, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Alt-F4
It’s the secret “make awesome things happen” key combination.
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THIS JUST IN
The A’s are officially garbage now and Rajai will never win a championship. What a terrible day in baseball.
Optimistic...
This is Athletics Nation, not Rajai Nation, so that's not a huge concern to us.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
And there it is, ladies and gentlemen....
I WATCH THE GAMES SO MATHEMATICAL FACTS DON’T MATTER
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
How old are you ?? 80-81??
I’m gonna call your husband and tell him you’ve gotten out of your gimp suit
by CallMeDragon on Nov 21, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well it's just a good thing nobody here is running for President of Athletics Nation.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 20, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
{slide whistle}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's down the hall to your right.
The interwebs can be confusing.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No kidding.
The real A’s Nation has been waiting for a front page post from you for the last 28 Tuesdays.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
At least you came up with a half-way decent username, eh?
Keepin it close to the ‘never go full retard’ mantra, I love it.
by benza on Nov 20, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
What the hell
Taylor, Cardenas, Magnuson, Brown, Doolittle Added to 40-man roster.
How does this become DeJesus sucks and the A’s are doomed?
Poor DeJesus, he hasn’t even played for us yet and trolls are hating on him.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Is it a thing that someone in the A's organization did?
Then it means the A’s are doomed.
Seriously, bromotional, it’s basic logic.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 21, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
I was enjoying this thread until Porcupine posted
Vote him/her off the island
I lose my internet connection for one day
And I miss the awesomest meta-thread ever. Really grates my cheese.
I love green because money be green.
Trolls need to eat too.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 24, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions

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