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A's Winter League Update

The A's have a smaller-profile set of guys playing baseball down south in the sun this year, but a lot of these players are still pretty important to the health of this franchise. There's a full list of A's organizational players in a winter league here, but I wanted to run through some of the notables.

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Obviously, any discussion would have to start with OF Michael Taylor. He was involved in that Cliff Lee mega-trade last offseason, bringing up the rear as he was swapped with Brett Wallace by Toronto. Before coming to California, Michael Taylor had zoomed through the minors with a career OPS close to .950, where he used his athletic 6'6" 260 lb. frame to generate a very large amount of power. Taylor was given a full-time job in AAA Sacramento this year, but for some reason, his power completely deserted him, and he compiled a slugging percentage over 100 points below his career average. John Sickels gave him a great grade of a "B+, borderline A-" before 2010, but now he's at a fairly significant risk of becoming a future non-prospect altogether. Unfortunately, his power outage hasn't really ended quite yet. To his credit, he bounced back in other areas of his offense, so that his batting line is pretty solid overall, but I really would have liked to see him hit the ball with more authority. Strangely enough, his Arizona Fall League line looks eerily like a slightly better version of Daric Barton's batting line.

But the big winner? Stephen Parker, who was recently drafted in 2009. He spent 2010 in high-A Stockton, where he flashed both power and discipline from the hot corner. The competition in the Arizona Fall League is generally a mix of tough AA and AAA guys, so Parker would have had a very valid excuse if he didn't exactly set the league on fire. Instead, he decided to tear the cover off the ball, and the end result is a very impressive AFL batting line for a 22-year-old fresh out of high-A. Additionally, Baseball America noted that he was one of the "best defensive 3B in the [California] league". Expect to see him ranked pretty highly on a future list of Oakland prospects.

As for the others, Josh Horton has been hitting extremely well, but in only 42 plate appearances. Grant Green has a similar sample size issue, but with the opposite end result. For both, it's hard to make a judgment based on such a small amount of playing time. And Corey Wimberly is, as usual, slugging less than his on-base percentage, which makes it look more and more likely that he won't get anything more than an injury callup to the majors.

Oakland sent a lot of mediocre AAA roster-filling pitchers to the winter leagues this year, and it shows, as most of them have middling strikeout rates and mediocre walk rates. The only notable guy is flamethrower Henry Rodriguez, who is doing his usual act—he's striking out almost thirteen batters per nine innings, while walking over four. He is what he is, I suppose.

So, the end result? Some good, some bad, and a lot of fringey filler. But on the bright side, there hasn't been a faith-fueled change of careers yet. Yes, I'm still looking at you, Desme.

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Taylor really turned it around in the AFL. The power outage is still a problem, but the average/OBP are promising.

At this point, it seems HRod’s ceiling is Carlos Marmol. They’re similar in a lot of ways, and if Rodriguez can strike out 13 guys per 9 innings, walking 4 per 9 isn’t a horrible thing since he’s allowing such little contact.

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by thejd44 on Nov 16, 2010 7:34 AM PST reply actions  

He looked horrible when getting on base three times the game I saw. Numbers in the AFL mean little, its all about scouting.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, and it's also a SSS.

I just know he started the AFL really poorly, and his final numbers turned out okay. Looking for any kind of positive here.

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by thejd44 on Nov 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

If youre trying to find rose coloured glasses thats fine. I was at games last week and he still looked bad.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

this is accurate

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

How does that happen?

How does Taylor completely “lose it” in one season?? Glad to read jd44’s post above … hell, if we hadn’t traded for Taylor, he’d of hit 50 HR’s last season and Wallace would’ve broke his leg. This pisses me off.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Nov 16, 2010 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

Losing the power makes no sense, especially since he demonstrated that power in AAA in 2009 (SSS)

It’s not as though he just finally reached a level of competition he couldn’t handle very well. He did it previously in AAA.

I wonder if his injury was much worse than we all thought. It wouldn’t surprise me.

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by thejd44 on Nov 16, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing confirmed,

but there’s been talk that his swing has been changed. I’d actually prefer this, because it should be reversible. General suckness? Not so much.

by danmerqury on Nov 16, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...RYAN SWEENEY!

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

That's just horrifying

Of all the people you’d mess with, why Michael Taylor? That’s the kind of bad judgment that should get people fired.

by AgitationStation on Nov 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it is Taylor messing with his swing, not the A's

When I saw Taylor in Oklahoma City last summer, I reported that he had the worst swing I had ever seen, hacking down at a pitch like he was chopping wood. I understand he had a veritable parade of private batting advisors and hitting coaches throughout the season and is now a confused mess. I hope he clears his head this offseason and comes out strong in ST. He is thinking too much.

by redtopcowboy on Nov 16, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn Stanfurd kids.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Nov 16, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace fell off a cliff and landed in Houston

I think his stock has fallen a lot further than Taylor. I was really excited about Taylor in 2011 a year ago. Looks more like 2013 at this point.

by hishnik on Nov 16, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

2013? he will never be a prospect if hes getting up then.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

What I have read...

is that his bat speed is down and his swing trajectory still creates no loft. I really don’t understand why they haven’t been able to correct this.

by DrDoom on Nov 16, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

bryan smith

from fangraphs said a couple weeks ago that he felt taylor doesn’t use his legs at all in his swing.

I wasn’t as impressed with Michael Taylor, the member of the Roy Halladay trade that was subsequently traded to the Oakland A’s. Listed at 6-foot-6, 260 pounds, Taylor’s path to big-league success is with a power bat. But this season, he hit just six home runs. His batting practice revealed why: despite great strength in his legs, Taylor doesn’t use them at all. He barely has a weight transfer, and only uses his upper body to produce power. That’s not going to work.

sounds like they were just thoughts from watching batting practice, but could be the issue.

by mk on Nov 16, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

How does Coco manage to hit any out

As a little Dude, you’d think he would HAVE to use his legs but he does not…at all.

by easyraider on Nov 16, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick wrists

If you watch when he gets some power on the ball he gets his hands through the zone very quickly…

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Nov 16, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Its that he drops his back elbow and inside outs everything

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It feels like there are a lot less A's playing Winter Ball this year

I wouldn’t mind seeing Donaldson, Powell, Sogard, Tolleson, and Buck (lol) all try to get better.

by TBRMKane on Nov 16, 2010 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

And my fall league report didn't even get mentioned :-(

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

People read it, including me, dfa

But wasn’t that last week dude?

"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets

by mrod on Nov 16, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I know I know but when you say that taylor rebounded and someone was there to say that not one of his hits was hard thats troubling.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Taylor has 2 HR's and 8 doubles

I’m not calling you a liar or anything, but how do you do that without even once hitting the ball hard? (I didn’t see your report last week…so if you explain it there send me the link)

by sc00by on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

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by mikev on Nov 16, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

he hasn't hit a hr since the first week

and one of his doubles that I saw was a dead quail on the worst excuse me swing imaginable

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

here you go

linky

or to quote myself

Lets start first with Michael Taylor. He really looks bad, even when getting on base three times. He made an out in the first ab that I didn’t see and then Taylor had dead quail to RF. He had a tendency to drop his hands and his in his swing. By droping his hand he takes an indirect path to the ball which makes him late on low 90s heat. The one solid ball he hit was a line drive off the glove off Ackley at 2b after working the count well. But he still took a poor path to the ball and while it was hard hit he was more serving the ball than dropping the barrel on it. Though it was pretty well hit it might have been caught by a more accomplished second baseman. He also walked where there were some pretty obvious takes.

In RF he didn’t look outstanding, with good but not great range. He showed off his arm against an advancing runner by throwing a bullet to 3b… The only problem was that the seat in the second row of the stands didn’t have a glove nor did the runner intend on advancing all the way to the hot dog vendor.

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It was... i have notes from the other game and what scouts said that i need to type up still

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

So happy to see Parker do well

I kept tabs on him all season and I really had high hopes for him in the AFL. Can’t wait to see what he can do in AA this year.

by Kyle_B on Nov 16, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

I saw Taylor a lot down here in Sac last year and wasn't impressed

Where as the first time I saw Carlos Gonzalez he looked like a real player… Unless Taylor rebounds that CarGon trade is going to go down as one of Beane’s worst of all time.

by sactownbull on Nov 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

I feel like acquiring Taylor was an impulse trade to Desme retiring.

Oh Grant, how I miss thee.

by TBRMKane on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Beane and the scouts finally came to a consensus that he was a 1B/DH only.

And since Barton came out swinging, Wallace was redundant. Plus, Taylor fit better at the time with our COF need and our defense-oriented game.

by danmerqury on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I pray to Father Desme everyday hoping that Taylor pans out.

by TBRMKane on Nov 16, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The first Holliday trade already has.

The second Holliday trade was still really, really good.

by Blicks on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

lol right Streets and Smith

When I was a kid the first thing I’d do every year is go through my dads Streets and Smith and find all the double headers to go to lol

by sactownbull on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it was Street & Smith, I'm almost positive

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

you really can't evaluate trades like that

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you can when you can draw a straight line of a short period of time

Gonzalez, Street & Smith for Holliday
Holliday for Wallace
Wallace for Taylor

The end results was Gonzalez, Street and Smith for Taylor… I can see why Billy wouldn’t want to spell it out like that though. It’s not very pretty..

by sactownbull on Nov 16, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn't want to spell it out like that because its a shitty way to evaluate trades.

Gonzales Street Smith – Horrible franchise crushing trade.
Holliday for Wallace – Good trade
Wallace for Taylor – Good trade

each action must be examined in the context for which it happens

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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Nov 16, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

NOT BILLY BEANE BECAUES BILLY BEAN IS DUM

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The Haren trade was a great... not good but GREAT trade

Not sure why you think I hate Bean… just pointing out he can out think himself at times. In this case he made two trades too many.

You know it is true to think Billy’s a good GM and point out his bad moves too

by sactownbull on Nov 17, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

OT

Don Nomura tweeted that he arrived in LA to talk about Iwakuma’s contract

If he wants to run across the pitcher's mound, tell him to go do laps in the bullpen - pepe

by closetasfan on Nov 16, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Question

How old is the typical player in Stockton, and how developed (in terms of years of college ball etc.)? Thanks

A's Fan in Sweden

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by travdog6 on Nov 16, 2010 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

The A's are great with pitchers, awful with position players

That’s for drafting, for who they go after in trades, for how they teach in their system.

Across the board Beane is wonderful at finding and nurturing pitching. He needs to just let others (hire someone completely fresh) judge position players in the draft, in trades and FAs.

The sample size is basically a decade. It’s not just bad luck anymore. The man and who he leads, who he hires, just do not have a feel for which guys are going to be good to great hitters/position players, he just doesn’t. Time for him and organization to admit this, still be quite pleased with the ability to consistently find great young arms, and hire an “offensive coordinator.”

by supersugarCrisp on Nov 16, 2010 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

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