Dan Uggla
by Andrew9er on Nov 15, 2010 4:31 PM PST
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PrintAnyone interested in acquiring Dan Uggla? He could play Third, Second, Lf?, DH, and has some pop. I do not know what we would have to give up. I know they just upgraded their bullpen in the Maybin trade.
1. Do you think we should trade for Uggla?
2. If so, what would you be willing to give up?
I think personally I would be willing to give up Mortenson, Sweeney or Davis, and another piece.
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Hears the latest rumormongering on Uggla
Florida’s asking for a pitcher and a catcher.
Donaldson and Ross?
The monster at the end of this blog.
I'd do that times a thousand.
But seriously, Suzuki and Ross? Suzuki and Mortensen? I’m more than happy to ship Suzuki out.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not
I know there’s no way to really quantify Catcher Defense other than SB%, but the pitching staff raves about Kurt, and I still think he could be a fine bat.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, 5 years of Suzuki is not worth one year of Uggla...
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on what you do with Uggla.
Like if you trade him for Headley, or for Hunter Pence.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
If one of those players were on the table for Uggla, why wouldn't they just do it directly, instead of settling for Suzuki?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Because they want a catcher and a pitcher?
I don’t know.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
They're desperate enough for a catcher that they'll turn down offers for two significantly more valuable players?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
not that i necessarily disagree, but when has the a's pitching staff not raved about an a's catcher?
serious question
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Nobody said a single good thing about Michael Barrett
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Even though he was undefeated as A's catcher
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm undefeated as the A's catcher too.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
And what thanks have you gotten?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
The A's should trade Tyson Ross for me.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Your boss might not want Tyson Ross instead of you
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I should take that offer from Paul Thomas Industries.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think the A's don't appreciate your fine work behind the plate
as much as they should
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm like a Well Paid Slave.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sal Fasano
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Welch didn't like Terry Steinbach
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
What a weirdo.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
That was my first thought
hell, would you give them Donaldson, Ross and one of Weeks or Cardenas?
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Where does he play?
He’s not very good at second. There’s no reason to think he’d be good at third either.
He’s also going to become very expensive after 2011.
Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here.
by thelincolndude on Nov 15, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Eh. I'd be lowballing the shit out of them since it's widely known that he is going to be dealt.
Start the offer with Recker and Mortensen. Add in Spencer if needed.
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meh, we don't really need Ross or Donaldson
and if you don’t want to add much, throw in Figueroa instead of Cardenas/Weeks.
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I'd actually much rather hang onto Donaldson. If Suzuki keeps hitting like shit, there's gonna need to be a replacement sooner than later.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
this.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 15, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
So why not just deal Suzuki?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I think plenty of us would be fine with that
Me included
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 16, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
lowball them
Mortenson and Donaldson is more than enough. Uggla is a DH in waiting.
Spencer went with Morla and Gray to the Cubs for Fox
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 15, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
seeing as Beane was trying to get him (most likely using Mazzaro)
and didnt act on the idea because “we have no place to put him”
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/MLB-free-agency-notes-Beware-Oakland-A%27s-Billy-Beane
its really lame to make a thread about a guy our GM has already written off.
Okay, I'm not giving you a pass anymore, bro.
No trade scenario is dead until it’s actually stomped out by the team in a formal statement! I’m way too high to write anymore……..so that’s all I got.
Peace….- M-Rod
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by mrod on Nov 15, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see why the Marlins would even entertain that deal
Uggla isn’t much of a defender, but he’s an “impact hitter,” whereas Recker and Mortensen are mostly regarded as “potential filler.” The Marlins can get much more for Uggla if they shop him.
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Well, they've really shot themselves in the foot by making it widely known that HE WILL BE DEALT (dun dun dunnn)
I really don’t see a way they can get “full value” for him, whatever that might actually be.
However, I also don’t really want any part of Uggla playing defense for the A’s, so I think it would be a mistake to trade anything of substance for a slight upgrade at DH, especially one that’s going to cost $10M in salary as well
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Even if everybody else lowballs them
the Marlins can still go to any team in the league and say, “Beat this unbelievably shitty deal from the A’s and you have a deal.” It wouldn’t be too hard to beat Recker and Mortensen.
This.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
It might also be one of the rare cases where they're better off just keeping Uggla and getting the draft picks, if that's indeed the best offer.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Especially since they have a good shot at winning the NL East
If they trade him it could be the 2008 Twins all over again
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
3rd question,
if aquired, would the A’s actually try to sign him long term and if so, for how much?
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 15, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions
and how long?
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 15, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
draft pick
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I don't think so
If he’s not going to accept an offer around 4/$48, then he’s either insistent on a 5th year or more $ per year. Either way, I don’t want to pay the guy more…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Marlins might be more interested if you substitute Parker for Kouz.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
They've got Dominguez. Don't they need a 1 year stopgap?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah...forgot about him
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't Dominguez kind of, you know, shitty?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He's supposedly very good defensively.
The bat isn’t there yet but he’s young (20) and already in AA.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least, that doesn't sound like a player who needs just a one-year stopgap in front of him
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Kouzmanoff can be a two year stopgap
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Fla isn't gonna want to pay him through arbi...
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
He actually sounds like the next Brandon Inge or Kevin Kouzmanoff (Oakland version)
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure I'd rather have Parker, straight up
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Parker for Uggla!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
You'd rather have Parker than Inge or Kouzmanoff?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, I mean, I'd rather have him than Matt Dominguez
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
That's kinda interesting. ZiPS has Dominguez at a 76 OPS+ at Age 21
Parker wasn’t even considered worthy of a projection, but if he had one it probably wouldn’t have been much better at 23. What makes you like Parker so much?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
He's got some pretty good reports on his glove himself,
and he put up a terrific comprehensive hitting line. .296/.392/.508, with twice as many doubles and triples as HR and a 4:5 BB/K ratio.
I bet that projection would be a great deal better for Parker.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yes, I hope Szymborski does one on Parker.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Parker – 251/326/390, OPS+ of 93.
If I don’t do a projection for someone and you think I should, please let me know! I’m pretty easy to find and it’s much more efficient than hoping I notice a request!
by D.Szymborski on Nov 15, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
But apparently you do notice requests
judging by how expeditiously you got to this one!
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but you don’t want to always count on me being quite as self-absorbed and checking.
Usually, in the ZiPS threads, people tend to request projections and I do all the plausible ones by the spring. Or you can e-mail me (address in profile).
by D.Szymborski on Nov 15, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he should be starting over Kouz next year.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
So if the reports of him having a plus glove are accurate,
that’s potentially an average-to-slightly-above-average MLB player at age 23.
Pretty good. Maybe a B+ prospect, certainly at least a very solid B. (And now I can say with some backing that I WOULD, in fact, rather have him than Inge or Kouzmanoff.)
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yeah, um, that projection actually makes me kinda happy to have him
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Pam liked my old sig better.
And yet he probably won't crack any top 100 lists while Green will be in the top 50 on most
[sigh]
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever
The prospect-rating industry is an industry that produces a certain kind of product. That product has a purpose, and that purpose is not to provide an objective ranking of future value for prospects.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Wow.
Impressive how quickly you got to this!
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome, thanks
And now I follow you on Twitter
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 16, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
That's a pretty sweet projection! Should I take back
everything I’ve said about him? Thanks Dan!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Parker has good reports on his defense now?
Can you send a link? Last I heard, a move to first is in his future.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
Erik R (New Jersey): Stephen Parker is quietly having a great year at Stockton, what’s his projection as a big leaguer?
Conor Glassey: The numbers aren’t quite as good when you take the Cal League into consideration, but I do the West for our draft coverage (minus Cali) and got great reports on Parker two years ago. I believe in the bat and he got some support as best defensive 3B in the league when we were doing our Best Tools surveys, too. I don’t think he’s going to be a star, but I think he has a chance to be a solid everyday guy.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Interesting...so why has he been playing first pretty exclusively in the AFL?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Donaldson played pretty exclusively 1B there, too
Teams can’t demand particular positions for all their players, and there may be a particular disfavoring of giving earmarked defensive time for A-ballers since the league is primarily intended for AA-AAA guys. The A’s may have felt it was more important to, say, get Green more time at shortstop.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Ah, I see.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I would really like to hold on to Parker
I think he could be pretty special in a couple years…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
What about dealing Suzuki, Mortensen, and Ross for Uggla, then trading Uggla for a 3B?
(Or Suzuki and Kouz, or some combination of Suzuki, Mortensen, Parker, Outman, Ross, and/or Kouz.) Anyone think the Padres would bite on a Uggla-for-Headley trade? If Uggla’s gettable for not a lot, it’s worth doing, but not for the A’s. We have a cheaper DH who’s pretty close to as good, and you can’t put Uggla in the field. But if we could spin him for Headley, we get a big improvement on Kouz at 3B, we replace Suzuki with Lando/Donaldson, which equals a small salary dump and probably not much dropoff in production, we cut loose a couple pitchers that we don’t really need, and suddenly we’re looking at an infield of Barton/Ellis/Pennington/Headley (Rosales backup INF), an outfield of Jesus/Coco/somebody, Lando/Donaldson at C, and a still-pretty-good pitching staff.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 6:38 PM PST reply actions
What 3B could we get for Uggla?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh now you're just being silly!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I'd rather have Tyson Ross, alone, than one year of Dan Uggla
so to me, any trade package including him is an instantaneous nonstarter.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Ross' health doesn't freak you out?
Not asking in regards to Uggla, just in general — do you think there’s a decent chance he gets and stays healthy?
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Enough of a chance that I'm not trading him for a marginal upgrade and a couple of mediocre draft picks
I’ll take six years of him and cross my fingers.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You think Uggla's only a marginal upgrade on Kouzmanoff?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Or on Cust?
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He's a massive upgrade on Cust in Sacramento
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's only a marginal upgrade on either of them
and I’ve never heard anything that suggests that he knows how to play the outfield.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Then you must be wondering what all the fuss is about
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
What kind of value do you think a healthy Ross could provide to the big league club?
He just seems like such a difficult guy to project going forward…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think he could be a pretty good starter, maybe something like Tim Hudson but with more walks and strikeouts
Ross has great sink on his fastball.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He's still just FB/Slider, right?
I think that he’s got great upside and is a good dark horse candidate for the 5th spot in the rotation if he’s healthy and not traded next year, but I REALLY hope that Romanick (sp?) works on his mechanics a bit. Dude really needs to use his lower body more, he could be generating some more velocity pretty easily and if I recall he didn’t start pitching until high school.
A 3rd pitch (splitter, maybe?) and a slightly less damaging throwing motion should be the priorities for him.
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He was working on a change-up in Sac
Before he got hurt, again.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Tyson Ross has the ability (if he adds even a marginal 3rd pitch)
to bump someone out of the rotation.
Or his arm will disintegrate mid-pitch.
The monster at the end of this blog.
That...doesn't make sense to me.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Why so big on Tyson Ross PT?
Just curious, I know he showed some promise but I’m a little scared by his control problems and even more concerned about his delivery and his injury last year, which may or may not be related to his ridiculous mechanics.
Like I said, just curious about why you would be opposed to a trade for Dan Uggla, even if it were to include Ross.
And another question since I’m not really looking up stats at the moment….do you think Uggla, were he to just mainly a DH if he were to come to the A’s, is really not a huge upgrade with his bat by itself? What I mean is, if here were not really counted on to be anything other than a DH, is that not something that a potential 9-11 million dollar salary for his services make him worth his production, offensively? Me, I’m digging his bat for sure.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
Unless he can start
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
He always seemed pretty far from being a good starter to me
Poor control, two pitch pitcher (plus poor mechanics). Seems like he’d need to add a third pitch, then learn to command the first two better, and stay healthy.
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So he is Santiago Casilla?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla is probably a worse hitter than Cust at the DH spot
He’s a great deal better than Kouzmanoff offensively (2 wins or so), but lord knows what his glove would play like at 3B, a position he’s never (so far as I know) played before. He’s much more expensive than either of them.
What exactly am I missing here?
As for Ross, he’s done pretty well as a starter in the minors and he’s got MLB stuff. It’s enough for me.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
as much as you hate Chris Carter defensively, Uggla should also never play the field.
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He played almost as much 3B in the minors as 2B. (228 games at 3B, 290 at 2B)
And TotalZone thinks he was +3 over that time. At 2B? -16. For what it’s worth, he also played about a month’s worth of games in the OF.
Woah. I didn't realize he had that much 3B experience in the minors
Sign me up!
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Yeah, I was surprised too.
I’m not sure I buy the TotalZone number, but it certainly makes things more interesting.
He's also older now and years removed from playing the position
But if he could be anywhere near average at 3B, I’d grab him in a heartbeat. (Unless Beltre’s on his way.)
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What you might be missing is that Uggla projects as a 3-4 WAR player at 2B and if he's
anything close to that at 3B, he’s a 1-2 Wins better than Kouzmanoff. He’s not a lot more expensive in 2011 than Kouzmanoff. I really don’t care about Ross since he’s a relief arm at this point, with a questionable arm.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cust was better in '07 and '08
But now?
I think Uggla’s going to be the better bet in 2011.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Weighted WAR of the last three years
Uggla: 4.19
Ellis: 2.5
Uggla looks like 1.5-2 win upgrade for the A’s. The difference in salary is looking like 4 million. The A’s are at a point where each win makes a lot of difference. Ross looks like a replacement to slightly above pitcher in 2011 and that’s obviously the most important year in the deal. I think one certainly has to entertain a Ross for Uggla and Ellis package.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I KNOW;
let’s offer them Carlos Gonzalez, Huston Street, and Greg Smith for a 1 yr rental of Uggla, then we will trade him at the deadline…
Every man for himself...
Ooh -- I know a diabetic who can't hit!
He works at our local CVS.
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Why not throw in Grant Desme!?
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
That makes about as much sense as
Dave Dravecky, David Crosby, and Steve Tolleson.
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Throw in Joan Jett and it's a deal
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
For that, you'll need to put another dime in the jukebox.
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Now you're asking Beane to go over budget
Wolff has a sad
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 16, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
How about Max Stassi and Tyson Ross?
Are the A’s still very high on him as a Cathcer?
Every man for himself...
Powell probably has the most upside, i.e. he's likely to have a major league career
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
That would be one ugly scene
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I know he's only 19,
but he’s K’ing at Jack Cust levels…in Kane County. He’ll never make it to AA if that doesn’t improve.
Ryan Ortiz: better than Max Stassi
You heard it here first, folks.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yes, you've been early on the Ryan bandwagon....even last year
You may be right about this one
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Ortiz is a stud, IMO
I liked him the minute we drafted him (I really followed those OSU teams…)
I worry about his health, though…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 15, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Is there ANY A's prospect for whom one might say
“I have no worries whatsoever about his health”?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
No, but he struggled to get into to 50 games this year
and if IIRC he had both hip and hammy problems.
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by stranahanahan on Nov 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
But Low-A was an aggressive posting for Stassi’s first full season. He deserves some slack.
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by grover on Nov 16, 2010 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kinda OT
But if the A’s are really interested in signing Berkman, why not just let Powell DH. I know he’s slow as hell, but I think if given the chance, he could probably outhit Berkman next year.
I hear that a lot -- that Powell could be a really good major league hitter
Often overlooked is the fact that when he plays, he really doesn’t hit very well at all. Granted, he gets very sporadic time, but it’s not like he “makes the most of it.”
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I'm so very, very tempted to drop the 'HE JUST NEEDS CONSTANT PLAYING TIME' crap that people say about Rajai Davis
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Pam liked my old sig better.
What Davis needs is to play mostly against LHP.
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What Davis needs is to be traded with Kouz for Matt Kemp.
Especially if it turns out that Uggla actually can pretend to play 3B.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Trade for Kemp, and sign Beltre, and voila:
Crisp – CF
Barton – 1B
Cust – DH
Beltre – 3B
Kemp – RF
DeJesus – LF
Suzuki – C
Ellis – 2B
Pennington – SS
Holy crap, that’s not a bad lineup! And yes, Cust has been re-signed to DH because it makes so much effing sense.
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You can flip DeJesus and Kemp if you like better L/R balance.
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That lineup approaches respectable
Especially if Suzuki can stop trying to do the OMFG POWER HITTER crap that he thinks he has to do.
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Approaches respectable?
That’s at worst, average, and at best, top 5. No, seriously. AND, it’s extremely strong defensively.
Exactly - no defensive compromise
And presumably Anderson, Cahill, Gio, Braden, Iwakuma are intact along with Bailey, Wuertz, Breslow, Devine et al.
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Let me go further.
Crisp: .320 – .350
Barton: .340 – .370
Cust: .340 – .380
Beltre: .320 – .370
Kemp: .320 – .370
DeJesus: .330 – .360
Suzuki: .290 – .320
Ellis: .300 – .330
Pennington: .300 – .330
Do those ranges seem about right for low/high possible wOBAs? If so, that’s around a .320 at worst and a .350 at best. The Yankees this year had a .347.
Kemp and Beltre
That sounds like a really good team. It doesn’t sound too outlandish either. Maybe we give the Dodgers Ross, Davis, and Outman. Maybe it takes 5/65 to land Beltre. We would likely be carrying a higher payroll than 2010, but hopefully that would be doable. Do these deals sound reasonable?
by ArunisArun on Nov 15, 2010 10:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's a mighty fine lineup you've constructed, partner!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
DeJesus seems high
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think I would be very happy if that's the result of this offseason.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Is this legitimate?
I don’t think the Dodgers would do this.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
The A's can always relent and add
“ZOMG he throws 100MPH!!!!!111” Henry Rodriguez — a guy more appealing to acquire than to actually have. Kouzmanoff, Davis, and Rodriguez could potentially get it done, considering they are all relatively cheap, Kemp isn’t, and the Dodgers are looking to reduce salary in order to pay for all the McCourts’ many lawyers.
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Honestly, I'd probably rather trade a different bullpen arm.
It’s probably unfounded and he’ll probably not work out, but that one appearance when Rodriguez threw like 11 pitches, 9 for strikes, and K’d the side? Yeah, that’s hard to trade.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
Whoever trades Henry does so at their peril
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
For the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
If he outhits Berkman, it'll be because Berkman's collapsed.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think that would have to literally be the case (as in, Berkman literally suffered a major vascular event) for that to happen
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I thought that this link was an interesting link....
This Nightingale guy says he’s hearing from GM’s that Justin Upton and Stephen Drew are available, and according to the D-Backs GM, he’s willing to listen.
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
I'd do Carter, Green, Parker and Krol for Upton
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Could we get Drew thrown in there if we added Pennington and Wuertz?
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
I certainly hope so!
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus.
I mean, I would do that deal too, but wow, what would be the point of having a farm system after that?
We'd still have Choice, Ynoa and Fautino
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
"Two TJs and a choice!"
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A Choice and two echoes?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Some small part of me is darkly amused at the notion of the D-Backs and A's repeatedly trading their top prospects back and forth
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Would that work?
What if Beane and GM x got together and laid out a plan to collude together? Oakland gets the strength of two teams in 2011-2014 (while the other team gets all the prospects), then in 2014-whenever, the other team gets the ML parts while Oakland gets the minor league parts.
It worked RIGHT up until the point
where you posted about it on AN.
Jerk.
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by Nico on Nov 15, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sign. Me. Up.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 15, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Both would be worried that the other wouldn't hold up his end of the deal
Besides, it’s a huge risk for the other team that there wouldn’t be serviceable MLB parts for them when they were ready. Or, they flat suck anyways and don’t want the ML parts.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 16, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
Like that Beavis and Butthead episode where they keep selling all their candy bars to each other for the same dollar.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
I bought one of those machines that makes change for a dollar,
and that business venture was a total ripoff. I broke even every day.
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Heck, might as well.
Go for broke the next two, three years. Then deal everyone in a firesale for the ages to restock the apocalyptic farm system.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Who wants to know?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 15, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Travis Buck?
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Grandpa?
What’s a Trevor Puck?
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 15, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Dan Uggla is an Atlanta Brave.
I am relieved.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 2:48 PM PST reply actions
for all star omar infante
Braves deal is complete. It’s Dan Uggla to Atlanta for Omar Infante and Mike Dunn.
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And sure, we could have gotten him, but he's a butcher in the field and he's too expensive for not a lot of upgrade at DH.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't he be roughly the same price/amount of an upgrade at DH as Beltre is at third?
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Florida is killing themselves with these terrible trades...
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by stranahanahan on Nov 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
And Beane should be helping!
We should be calling him Billy “Jack K” Beane right now.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's impressive just how much talent they've unloaded for virtually nothing since last August
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Yeah, wow
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by stranahanahan on Nov 16, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
They realized the Pirates were doing a much better job of screwing their fans.
The Marlins are a competitive bunch.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
And yet they'll probably hit the jackpot and win another WS again in the next 5 years
And then never touch the playoffs again for 10 years…
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by stranahanahan on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Even more impressive is that they're still a legitimate pennant contender
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 17, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
Atlanta is stoked then....
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
So here's the big question
Is Uggla an upgrade or a downgrade defensively from Conrad? ;-)
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I don't think Conrad was as bad as his playoffs performance.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody's that bad except Mike Andrews
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Is Uggla going to play 3B or are they moving Prado?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 16, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
moving prado i think
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Nov 16, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
uggla 2b, prado 3b
(i would at least try uggla at 3b, how much worse could he be there?)
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Man, my childhood is officially over
when the Braves have an infield defense that bad.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 16, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Chipper could still come back
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 17, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
to make it even worse
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 17, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
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