Beane: "No Trade Will Be Ruled Out, Except For...."
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 11, 2010 8:08 PM PST
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Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzalez and Dallas Braden. Well that figures, those four are the core to our pitching staff and shouldn't go anywhere. On the heels of Beane's comments to beat writer Susan Slusser i have decided to take a look at the rest of the roster, their trade value, and whether or not we should trade said player. Despite all this i do believe that the A's should at least gauge interest in Dallas Braden. With the SP trade market somewhat limited this off-season the A's could reel in a stud hitter for Mr. Braden. Remember i said just gauge interest and go from there.
Daric Barton: At 25 years old Barton is still progressing as a MLB player, and had a real solid 2010 season. He should have been in the mention for the AL Gold Glove, but we know the bias that exists. Barton also finished with 110 BB and a .393 OB%. We could flip Barton to Arizona (who needs a 1B), and acquire Chris Young, or Mark Reynolds in return. If the two were made available in this trade, i would strongly prefer Young over the crazy SO ratio of Reynolds. The A's would then be able to move Chris Carter to 1B. A's trading Barton= 10 percent
Mark Ellis: It is possible that we picked his option up in order to trade him. Ellis has fallen off a bit at the plate, and isn't getting any younger. Although he did put up a nice .291, .358, .739 state line in 2010. The A's could slot Adam Rosales into the 2B slot if they get a good offer for Ellis whose contract is team friendly for 2011 of A's trading Ellis= 50 percent
Cliff Pennington: Lets be serious here, Pennington isn't going anywhere. He is one of the best defensive SS on all of MLB, and has great range. Additionally, Pennington held is own at the plate in 2010 and stole 29 bases. I really like this kid, and SS is not a position we really need to upgrade. A's trading Pennington= 0 percent
Kevin Kouzmanoff: He will either be non tendered or traded this off-season, and will not be wearing the green and gold come opening day. I think the A's will look at possible suitors before "releasing" the Kouz, but i don't see us getting much more than a low level prospect because teams know he isn't in our plans. A's trading/releasing Kouz= 95 percent
Kurt Sazuki: The A's could get so much for Sazuki, but that is the reason not to trade him. He has been our most consistent offensive performer the last two seasons (i know that isn't saying much), he is under team control for a relatively cheap price and is a gold glove type catcher that handles the pitching staff with the best of them. Additionally, Sazuki is primed for a 25 HR, 100 RBI season in 2011 and is in his prime. Secretly i can see Beane listening to offers for Sazuki, but that will be more of the window shopping variety. A's trading Sazuki: 5 percent
Chris Carter: Now this is where is gets interesting. He is only 23 years old and looked MUCH better in his second stint with the A's after throwing up an 0for in his first stint. I really like the power supply that he can bring. However, the A's could get a proven power hitter for Carter because of his age and potential. I could easily see the A's swapping Carter and a couple minor leaguers to the Brewers for Ryan Braun. Milwaukee is looking for SP too so we would have to include a top and mid tier SP pitching prospect for him. I can see this trading working out for both parties. A's trading Carter: 60 percent
Coco Crisp: Not going to happen next please: 0 percent
Ryan Sweeney: I abolutely love this dude, but i don't think he fits into our plans anymore. We cannot have a starting OF consisting of DeJesus, Crisp and Sweeney; that would lack the power we so much desire. Additionally, Sweeney has been injury prone in his early career. The A's could include Sweeney in a nice package to acquire the power hitter they need (more on this later) A's trading Sweeney: 80 percent
Jack Cust: He will be non tendered if not traded, i cannot see the A's being able to pull off a trade with Cust and get anything worthwhile for him. A's trading/releasing Cust: 100 percent
Michael Wuertz: We should have unloaded Wuertz when his stock was at its highest following the 2009 season, that said we could get a lot for him as teams are in need to solid set up men. He is expendable because of Henry Rodriguez. A's trading Wuertz: 70 percent
Andrew Bailey: It appears that Billy Beane doesn't put a lot of stock in having an all-star closer (see Huston Street), however Bailey may be the exception (two consecutive all-star appearences). That said, i could see the A's trading this nearly automatic closer if the right deal comes alogn. A's trading Bailey: 50 percent
So now i am just going to throw out a couple of trade possibilities. Please keep in mind that this is just me running through options, and i have no vouching sources for these trades.
A's trade 1B/OF- Chris Carter, RHP- Tyson Ross, C- Max Stassi and a lower level prospect to the Milwaukee Brewers for 3B/OF- Ryan Braun. This trade works out for both sides. Milwaukee gets three of the A's top prospects and the young pitcher they have been looking for. The A's get a player under team control for relatively cheap salary and could flip him after a season or two for as much as they gave up in this trade. Braun has had 25+ Hr and 100+ RBI in each of the last three seasons, and is a career .307 hitter.
A's trade LHP- Anthony Capra and OF- Travis Buck to the Houston Astros for OF- Carlos Lee. I understand that Lee comes with an expensive price tag, but Houston may be willing to pay some of the contract. Additionally, Lee is on the downside of his career. However, his power stat line 24-89 would have ranked him #1 on the A's last season. We could slot him into RF until/of Michael Taylor is ready. Considering his decline in protection, contract, and age the Astros aren't really in great position to ask for a lot for him. In Capra they get a promising young pitcher, and in Buck they get an extra OF that has had some success in the Majors. This also opens up the starting OF slot for former A's farmhand Brett Wallace.
A's sign DH- Manny Ramirez or Carlos Pena to a 1Y-8MM Deal.
A's trade RHP- Michael Wuertz to the Tampa Bay Rays for RHP- Wilking Rodriguez and OF- Fernando Perez. This would restock the A's farm system a little bit and give the Rays a reliever they are in desperate nee of. By my calculations 6 Rays relievers are free agents right now, and they are not going to re-sign all of them. Additionally, the Rays are looking to contend in 2011 and that would be nearly impossible without a strong bullpen to support their good rotation.
A's sign RHP- Jesse Crain to a 2Y Contract.
A's sign OF- Marcus Thames to a 2Y Contract.
Of course this is extremely hypothetical and most of it is "unlikely" to happen, but if Beane went this road it would makes us instant contender in 2011. Additionally, i was extremely fair with compensation to the teams in the trades. For example, if appears we gave up a whole lot for Ryan Braun.
1B- Daric Barton
2B- Mark Ellis
SS- Cliff Pennington
3B- Ryan Braun
LF- David DeJesus
CF- Coco Crisp
RF- Carlos Lee
DH- Manny Ramirez/Carlos Pena
C- Kurt Sazuki
SP- Trevor Cahill
SP- Brett Anderson
SP- Hisashi Iwakuma
SP- Dallas Braden
SP- Gio Gonzalez
CL- Andrew Bailey
RP- Brad Zeigler
RP- Jesse Crain
RP- Henry Rodriguez
RP- Craig Breslow
RP- Jerry Blevins
RP- Josh Outman/Bobby Cramer/ ETC.....
C- Josh Donaldson/Landon Powell
INF- Adam Rosales
OF- Connor Jackson/ Rajai Davis
OF- Marcus Thames
What do you think? Constructive critism wanted!
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I think you need to severely lower your likelihoods (making the same typo 10 times is lazy)
As for your trades, like most fan trades, they need work. Braun isn’t going anywhere. Carter’s ceiling is Braun and Stassi is not nearly enough to mitigate the risk for the Brewers. Lee kinda sucks and has way too much money on his contract. The A’s-Rays trade is actually an interesting idea in that trading Wuertz for prospects is a possibility. I don’t see why anyone would want Perez but I actually kinda like Wilking. That deal might actually work.
But putting odds of trading/releasing Kouz and Cust at near certainties? I doubt it. Especially with no 3b on the roster. Braun is not a 3b. And if Manny’s price tag is 8 million? Absolutely not. Go with the cheaper and probably better option in Cust.
Putting Bailey and Ellis at 50%? Hedge your bets on valuable A’s being traded. It’s way more likely to not be traded than kept on any roster. I think Suzuki’s (Another typo that needs to be fixed) odds of being traded are much higher than Barton’s.
And last thought that will blow your mind: it says Cahill, Anderson, Braden, AND Gio will not be traded. Not Cahill, Anderson, Braden, OR Gio. DUN DUN DUNNNN…..
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
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My blackberry and posted it on here without doing corrections on word etc… Thanks for that, and i will fix it
In regards to Kouz and Cust, i do believe it is a near certainty that they will not be in an A’s uniform come opening day. Lee doesn’t suck, he is just over the hill. If we could get Houston to pay some of the cash, and not give up that much it would work. Who would you rather have Berkman or Lee? Additionally, i think that you are right in regards to 8MM for Manny, more like 5-6MM.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 11, 2010 9:13 PM PST reply actions
Not Kouz
Kouz will not be non-tendered or released. The only way he’s not on the team is if the A’s sign Beltre and then trade Kouz, or trade for a legitimate 3B which I think is unlikely. Braun can barely play LF right now, there is no way that he would play 3B, so penciling him in there just won’t happen.
by longtimeasfan on Nov 12, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Your trade percentages are extremely high.
By your percentages, we’ll have traded half of the roster by opening day.
And Carlos Lee? He was among the worst full-time players in baseball last year, which is a perfect example of why judging a hitter based on HR/RBI is a terrible idea. He was below replacement level. And he’s owed $18.5MM over the next two years. Put it this way—I wouldn’t take Carlos Lee if they offered him for free WITH Brett Wallace and Wandy Rodriguez.
Thanks For That
I was under the assumption that Lee only had one season remaining on his contract, and that the Astros would be more than happy to pay some of the contract.
Additionally, basic math shows that your assumption of my percentages meaning the A’s would trade half their roster by opening day is completey foolhardy.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 11, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
I thought eating the money might be worth the prospects.
How good is wandy?
Wandy is very, very good.
3-4 WAR pitcher, under contract for one more year. But if the price is taking on $37MM of dead weight, then it’s not worth it.
I'm EXTREMELY shocked Wandy is a year away from FA
Serious, SERIOUS shame on Houston for not putting him on the trade block last offseason at the very least.
What a waste…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 12, 2010 2:22 AM PST up reply actions
do you know how percentages work?
is this sort of like “giving 110% percent” where 100 isn’t the upper limit?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
there is a 97% chance bean will trade sazuki for mark maguire
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
(six times you misspelled the name of a dude who has started pretty much every game over the last three and a half years)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
okay, i'm getting out of this thread
RF- Carlos Lee
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
That's not the worst
3B- Ryan Braun
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
hahahah
UZR BE DAMNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Nov 12, 2010 2:22 AM PST up reply actions
Did Beane actually say that quote?
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A's also have Grant Green to trade, and I wouldn't count out Fautino for the 2011 pen
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I don't know what it would take to get Ryan Braun
But I think if you have a chance to add a player of that caliber without significantly hurting your major league roster, it’s hard not to take it. The guy is that bona fide 3 or 4 hitter, the type of player that our lineup is sorely missing.
Although knowing the A’s he would start out poorly and then get flipped at the deadline…
The best I can think of is Green, Carter, Krol and Ynoa for Braun. Who else do we have?
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
OK sure, if they value those guys, I'm all for including them
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
who did Beane say would not be traded?
according to Joe Stiglich this is what Beane said:
When you look at (starters) Gio (Gonzalez), (Trevor) Cahill and (Brett) Anderson, those are not guys we’re gonna move," Beane said. “It was nothing Vin did. Just other guys had established themselves.”
Note that Braden is not mentioned. Perhaps Beane included Braden somewhere else, or Joe just missed it.
All that said, Beane has said that he did not intend to trade Swisher during the 2007-08 off-season, but that the White Sox made an offer he couldn’t refuse. So while we can expect that the young starting pitchers won’t be traded, you just never know 100%.
by OaklandSi on Nov 12, 2010 8:26 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
GM's also talk to the media to up the ante
He told Susan Slusser that he wouldn’t trade Braden
Go A's
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that's from a Slusser tweet that mentioned "the 4 starters", with no names attached
regardless, even if Beane specifically mentioned Braden my observation still stands.
yeah, I'm pretty sure the fourth starter he was reffering to is
Bobby Cramer – no WAY we’d deal THAT GUY!
Cust 100% gone?
After all that work the AN fanbase did to convince me he was our best hitter in 2009? And I think it is pretty obvious he was a bright spot in the lineup in 2010. I question whether Cust is really 100% gone, unless there is some news I am not aware of. Same with Kouz. I don’t see him that likely to be gone. Somehow until the trade has been announced it is hard for me to believe a % gone number higher than about 75% for anyone.
by barryzitoforever on Nov 12, 2010 9:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Cust
did have a WAR of 2.2 in 2010, but is that really what you want from a DH? I understand that Manny Ramirez was below that last season, but we have to understand a couple things in regards to him. First, his OB% was a crazy .410 last season, and secondly a lot of players go through issues following a mid-season move. I am willing to throw out his stats with Chicago. We might want to avoide him because of his personality and ego. All i am saying is that there are a lot more options out there rather than having Cust and his 37% SO rate over the last four seasons
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Therrre it is
Its all about the strickouts.
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by Rebuilding Season on Nov 12, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
I kinda do think strickouts are a sign of collapse risk.
OTOH Manny has PED risk and Quit Risk.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
37% SO ratio man. Seriously, over 1/3 of the time he is at bat the dude strikeouts. How can you defend that? I am wondering if the same people who support Cust, oppose us trading for Reynolds.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
you're focusing on the wrong part
because i know he gets on base 38ish% of the time. i’ll take that, and so will many people on this site.
reynolds doesn’t get on base as much as cust does.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
But Reynolds has continued to show he can hit for power
Even while posting an absurdedly low .257 BABIP. Even a marginal bounce back in the batting average puts his OBP back around .340; acceptable given the pop.
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So what if Cust decides to swing for the fences again and repeats 2008?
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You could do worse than a .340 wOBA
as long as he doesn’t play any defense at all.
In fact, Mark Reynolds DID do worse than that this year.
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Yes Reynolds did!
And he still produced a 2.4 WAR. What was Cust’s in 2009?
The monster at the end of this blog.
I think I'd have to go with Reynolds's upside.
And if we’re operating under the assumption that Cust is as good as gone, then I definitely like Reynolds more than the FA DH options.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 12, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Why are you comparing WAR, which includes defense, when you're talking about DH?
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Because no one was talking about putting Reynolds at DH in this thread
And Cust’s 2009 season included a -7.7 score on outfield defense in 51 games played.
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Your first response in this subthread was to the guy that said
“Reynolds doesn’t get on base as much as Cust does”
Making comparisons between the two of them really shouldn’t include defense, as I think everybody agrees that Cust should not play defense going forward.
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Pam liked my old sig better.
mikev has my position down there
cust is a DH.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Don't worry -- he usually plays defense going backwards.
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oh i agree on MR's power
but it just depends on what means more to you, the obp or the slg. if it’s obp, cust is your best bet.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Umm...
I get your larger point but Cust made about $2.6 million last year and is likely to get a raise in 2011.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Cust got paid $400K three years ago
Basically what Grovver said. He was paid $2.8 million in 2009 and $2.65 in 2010. If they tender him, he’ll be due a decent raise (to $4 million?). I’m OK keeping Cust unless a better option comes along, but Cust’s general suckyness last year with RiSP bothers me:
AVG / OBP / SLG / OPS
Bases Empty – .306 / .420 / .508 / .928
Runners On - .235 / .369 / .361 / .730
Hopefully it was just a fluke, as in past years his stats were either equal or better with RiSP. But his power has also dropped substantially the last three years:
2010: 349 / 13 = 26.8 home runs per AB
2009: 513 / 25 = 20.5
2008: 481 / 33 = 14.6
2007: 395 / 26 = 15.2
If his power continues to fade, his overall production (including OBP) will likely decline as well – not only for the loss of power itself, but because pitchers will be able to go after him more rather than working the corners.
by andyinfremont on Nov 12, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Grovver? Lol....
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Ack, I added that bit without previewing it.
Sorry Grover.
by andyinfremont on Nov 12, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
His HR/FB dropped when pitchers figured out that pumping fastballs down the middle of the plate to him
was not, in fact, a very good idea.
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Where is the data on this?
Are you saying his drop in power and walks is due to him getting more breaking and off-speed pitches? Is there hard data on this?
Cust’s HR power has dropped more than 40% from 2007-2008 (see above), and his AB-to-walk ratio has dropped roughly 25%:
2010: 349 / 68 = 5.1 (i.e., 1 walk per 5.1 ABs)
2009: 513 / 93 = 5.5
2008: 481 / 111 = 4.3
2007: 395 / 105 = 3.8
So he’s walking less, which indicates he’s getting more pitches in the strike zone. On the plus side, he did increase is batting average somewhat, but with more doubles instead of home runs.
If your argument is that the decline in power is due to the way pitchers are pitching him, I’d like to see that data. And I’d also like to know why other power hitters aren’t vulnerable to the same strategy (if you have a theory). Or is Cust just uniquely unable to translate his power fully to non-fastballs?
by andyinfremont on Nov 12, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
We don't need to rely on weird proxies
We know exactly how many pitches he’s getting in the zone. It’s dropped steadily from 2008 to 2010. (Look at “zone %” under plate discipline.) Even accounting for the seeming recalibration of pitch-f/x this season, the percentage of pitches in the zone he’s seeing is way down from its peak in 2008.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Thanks for the link
It’s interesting that Cust’s average went up and his walks went down even though he saw 5.5% fewer pitches in the strike zone in 2010 vs 2008. It might help explain the power loss, but not the drop in walks. And actually, if you look at Cust’s prior seasons, you can see there isn’t a direct correlation between Zone% and HR’s — Cust hit HR’s at a much better clip in 2007 than 2009, even though his Zone% was slightly lower in 2007. It makes it seem as if some of the power loss has nothing to do with the pitches he’s getting.
by andyinfremont on Nov 14, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, that's correct
His run value per 100 fastballs seen has declined.
It’s likely he’s not a 40 HR/season guy anymore like he might have been with a full season of ABs in his peak years. But part of the decline in per-pitch value on fastballs is likely also that he’s simply not seeing the meatballs that he used to. Pitchers are nibbling around the zone a lot more.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
If Jack Cust hits 26 home runs per AB
We should give him all the money that he wants.
For realz
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But what if he wants
$3/year for 6,000,000 years?
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Inflation
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I think AN should do an annual best and worst fanpost contest…
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Thats classy SMH!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
While not trading the pitchers is reassuring
I doubt Kouz is getting non-tendered and the only way he’s not our 3B next year is because of a significant upgrade offensively. Kouz wasn’t good at all on the offensive side but his defense was absolutely ridiculous. I don’t know for sure but if you check fangraphs I would almost guarantee he was the best in dWAR, maybe second to Zimmerman. Either way, I know it pushed his overall WAR a lot higher over average than most would think. I also doubt the odds of trading Ellis are that high especially with hearing David Forst say they’re looking at extending him. And even if they did trade him, I’d guess Rosy would platoon with Sogard before pushing a battle between Sogard, Cardenas, and Weeks the following year.
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I agree
Kouz stays unless they can upgrade him offensively without losing anything defensively.Beltre clearly want smore money and more years than the A’s and Phillies offered him last year (3 years @ $8 per year)
ask Seattle how giving him a fat long term contract works
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he outperformed his contract
it’s been said plenty of times
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
If The A's Are Looking To Extend Ellis
it means that Cardenas and/or Weeks are going to be on the trading block. And i am not entirely against that. I would assume that both would have a higher trade value than Ellis, who has been real solid for us. Additionally, one of them could be used to get the power hitter we so much need.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Beltre hit .321, drove in 102 runs, led the AL in doubles and had a WAR of over 5; not to mention his fielding skills. Of course, Beltre wants more that the 3/8 offered by Philly and Oakland. I think we are looking more at 3 Years and 13-15 million per. It is possible a team could offer a 4th, but that would be risky considering his age.
Meanwhile, back here on the ranch. Kouz was just horrible at the plate this season. A batting average below .250, OB% below .310 and a pathetic 1.2 WAR. All this despite earning only 5 million less than Beltre did in 2010.
To the best of my knowledge Beltre was considering Oakland last season, but that may have been at a point when his value wasn’t so high. Keep in mind Beltre was coming off a season where is WAR was below anything we have seen from Kouz in his career. I say offer Beltre 3Y-39M, and go from there.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions
They might offer Beltre that, but I'd expect him to be more of a 3-4 WAR player in Oakland
like he was in Seattle than the near-MVP he was in Boston. The Coliseum just doesn’t like RH hitters who rely on batting average and non-prodigious power.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
OH
I am not expecting him to duplicate his 2009 numbers, but he would be a major upgrade over Kouz offensively, and we wouldn’t lose much (if anything) on the defensive side. A WAR of 3.5 would work perfectly fine for me. The problem with this entire equation is that even if we sign Beltre, we would need to acquire another power hitter. Our offensive was so putrid last season in that column, that just one players isn’t going to make a difference. I think that Beane understands this and won’t settle for one power hitter.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Werth and Kouzmanoff than Beltre and Sweeney, but I guess I'd take
whoever signed more cheaply. Now if you could sign Beltre for 4 years and include Kouzmanoff in a Choo trade, you’d get a pat on the back from me.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
No Way
Cleveland would take Kouz in a trade for Choo, that just isn’t going to happen. To be honest i am not 100 percent sold on Werth, because he is going to demand more money than Beltre, at least a longer term contract i think. I also wonder how much trade value Ryan Sweeney has. I think its really hard to gauge that because of his injuries, but he is a baller when on the field. It may be the difference of being able to center a trade for Kemp/Choo around him, or just having him as a part of said trade.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry I didn't mean Kouzmanoff as the main piece for Choo. I meant as a 3rd piece
Something like Green, Carter, Kouzmanoff and Krol
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
kouz started in cleveland
i’m sure they know what he’s about. don’t see it but i’d love that too.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I say let the BOS/ LAA/ PHI pay him
so he can underperform for them
"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010
A's Just Acquired Edwin Encarnacion
off waivers from the Jays. See my related fanshot.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 12, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions
Cool!
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 12, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
i do not want many , and beltre doesnt want to come to oakland , the A’s should pursue russel branyan , matsui or berkman , to replace kust – k because thats all cust did , they better bring back kouz we have no 3rd basemen and none that are ready in the minors , kouz i think will have a much better season next year , and hes a pretty good defender
What makes Kouzmanoff likely to be less krappy in 2011?
Doesn’t he suck as a hitter?
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 13, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
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