Silver linings
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The Giants may have accomplished the unthinkable, but every dog has it's day. Teams sometimes get really, Really, REALLY lucky in every sport. The Giants are officially one of those teams. But, there are some silver linings to all this. All of those out-of the–woodwork quasi-Giants fans are probably in for a rude awakening after they buy their season tickets for the first time. Historically, improbable winners don’t do so well the following season. Check out the following, and I assure you it will warm the cockles of your hearts.
In 2006, the 83-78 Cardinals beat the 95-67 Tigers in five games.
Next season’s record: 78-84
In 2003, the 91-71 Marlins beat the 101-61 Yankees in six games.
Next season’s record: 83-79
In 1990, the 91-71 Reds beat the 103-59 Athletics in four games.
Next season’s record: 74-88
In 1988, the 94-67 Dodgers beat the 104-58 Athletics in five games.
Next season’s record: 77-83
In 1969, the 100-62 Mets beat the 109-53 Orioles in five games.
Next season’s record: 83-79
In 1954 the 97-57 Giants swept the 111-43 Indians
Next season’s record: 80-74
Furthermore, the Giant’s pitching staff has really avoided serious injuries. While a lot of teams (particularly the A’s) deal with constant Tommy John and other surgeries, the Giants seam to be immune to this. The Law of Averages is going to catch up with them sometime. Lincecum and Cain have been putting up some serious innings, and no pitcher is immune. Plus, Lincecum’s velocity has dipped since his first season: 2008 he averaged 94.1 mph, 2009 he averaged 92.4, and now he averages 91.2. This does not bode well for a small-framed pitcher like Lincecum.
Organizationally, outside of Posey, the Giants do not have the makings of a young up and coming team. This is no Devil Rays team with all the great and young offensive players. Nor is it like the Reds. This a team of soon to be retirees just off of the scrap heap. Outside of Posey, I just can not see how they can compete offensively to the degree where they will revisit the World Series. This is no dynasty in the making. Where the Giants hitters are old throughout the lineup, the A’s are young and talented, and they are at the beginning of their careers. For example: Carter, Taylor, Suzuki, Pennington, Green (not too distant future), Weeks (same as Green), Cardenas, Donaldson, and all the others I can not remember at this moment! The future is bright for A’s fans.
Finally, after this Giants World Series win, it will be hard for Giants’ management to argue to MLB that the A’s can not have the rights to San Jose. Where the A’s move, as long as it is in the bay area, I don’t give a hoot. I just want them to have some payroll so they can get some players and start putting together an exciting product! Other teams must be sick of paying the A’s a luxury tax, and it is probably perplexing to them that Neukom will plead poverty while winning a World Series and also charging $1100.00 for a seat at one of the games. The A’s now might not have to pay off the Giants to get to San Jose or whatever. It just seems twisted and sick that one team has it all on one side of the bay, and the other team is forced to be poverty stricken. Of course, John Fisher is rich and cheap, but that is besides the point.
The Red Sox had the “curse of the bambino” all those years to explain the losing. But, they finally won, and then the realization set in that they just sucked and where inept for a long time. There was no curse all that time. How about the Black Sox Curse of Shoeless Joe Jackson, but the White Sox finally won one, and that is the end of the story. I heard on the radio the other day that the Giants are like the lovable Cubs of the West with all the lack of World Series trophies. Or the one about how a statue of Giants’ Eddie Grant was stolen at the Polo Grounds and that statue was not brought to S.F., and therefore they are cursed and they lose. Huh? They are jinxed and all that bologna. Well, that theory can be put to rest once and for all. They just sucked for a really long time. Can anyone say Candy Maldonado? End of story. Plus, it is going to be a really long time before they match Oakland’s World Series record. They are in for some real harsh karma. Anyway, that is what I have been telling myself all night so that I don’t puke in my mouth while sleeping like John Bonham of Led Zeppelin.
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OFFSEASON!
OFFSEASON!
OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
This is ridiculous
Congratulate the Giants and get over it.
Or, as we used to say around here: “WEAR IT”
soooo...
we aren’t allowed to mention that the giants were the 7th or 8th best team in the playoffs, got hot, and won it all?
that’s what happened.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
They were at least 6th best
The Reds and Braves were worse.
by Glorious Mundy on Nov 2, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
i'd take the reds before the giants
and definitely all the AL teams and PHI.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Consider my cap tipped
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with Brian on this one. Consider my cap tipped.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You want a silver lining
Giants fans nearly torched their supposedly great city last night…
by athletics68 on Nov 2, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
San Francisco is pretty nice, dude.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 2, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It is beautiful!
As is Oakland. I really don’t like to see that.
"Anything that is the something of the something isn't really the anything of the anything." ~ Lisa Simpson
Not sure if anyone else picked up on this but
It seemed like the local media was hesitant to call what happened last night a riot. SFGate called it “joyous mayhem.”
If this happened in Oakland there’d be news choppers overhead and live “riot” coverage for hours on end…
Actually, I saw quite a few people in the media calling it a riot.
I was surprised.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 3, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Been there MANY times unfortunately
I disagree. It’s dirty, it’s old, it’s cold, it’s hard to get around, the people are rude, their city government is downright criminal. They have some nice landmarks but the two big ones are bridges designed for you to GTFO before you get robbed. I’d rather spend my time in a better place, thanks…
k.
And the last remnants memory destroys.
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 2, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we won't miss you.
We’ll continue to enjoy the most advanced and innovative arts scene in America.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 3, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Tell me more about this arts scene. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone
tout SF’s arts scene as the most advanced or innovative in America. An artist friend moved to LA about 7-8 years ago to get to a better arts scene. Has SF improved?
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Burrell, Huff, Torres, Uribe were studs this year. In past years not so much. Are they going to be studs next year? At the same time is the panda going to be a good hitter?
by gambler on Nov 2, 2010 10:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
No, none of them will be. And I think "studs" isn't quite the word you were looking for.
The Giants will be a .500 team next season.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Nov 3, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Their pitching has been kickass for years now.
They have a chance even if the offense is full of scrubs. We should be modeling ourselves to them because I don’t see big bats coming our way anytime soon.
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
lasr year he hit over .300 on both sides of the plate
My point is that I expect the other players I mentioned to produce less next year. The panda may have had a down year. Sandoval could hit like he did in 2009 or he could suck.
by gambler on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
sandoval
needs some huge mechanic tweaks to his swing, and also (tired but true meme) lose some weight. too much going on in his swing, sometimes he makes contact before his stride foot is even planted.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Yes but all those things were true in 2009 as well, no?
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not AS true... specially the weight thing...
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
the olney tweet this morning
saying that a friend saw him eat “cheetos and mountain dew” and sabean coming out saying that if he isn’t lighter next year, he’s in fresno, is pretty damning.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
cheetos/MD *for breakfast
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
If you win a championship
who cares if you mess up the year after, because you grabbed the brass ring the year prior.
No silver lining — this a bad day for the East Bay!
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
by oaklandSMASH on Nov 2, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No it's not. It's a good day for SF and all Giants fans everywhere. It would have made no
more difference to the East Bay if the Rangers had won.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
While it matters to a segment of the fans, I am of those fans that takes the East Coast sports mentality — your team is better because they have all of the gold and the other team is scratching for it.
Also, I cannot stand Gnats fans waving their banner around like their one is better than our four. This has made Billy look like the baseball Lord of no Rings (with a movie about almost making it coming out), made Sabean look like a genius, Neukom a hero, and Wolff a doddering old fool for waiting for a day from Selig which may never come. It makes our team look like a failing two-bit operation being located across the bay from the championship strap holders.
If the Rangers won, at least we could’ve said Oakland was the most competitive team in the division that didn’t make it into the post season.
I hope Billy is fighting Lew on the direction of the team because I believe Billy is better than this.
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
Elephant in the room.
Why is your name pedoman?
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Care to speculate?
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 3, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The pedo part scares me.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Not that I think that's what it is.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
You are afraid of a fart?
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
"Young and Talented," not really
the A’s are young and talented… Carter, Taylor, Green, Weeks, Cardenas, Donaldson
There’s an egregious case of “counting chickens” / giving free credit. Those guys have proven little, and in fact, I don’t expect most of them to ever become regular MLB-ers.
I expect Carter to become one and Green has a good chance, but the others...yeah I agree
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 4, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
the two silver linings I can come up with:
1. Billy is right about the playoffs being a crapshoot. Whoever gets hot and gets some luck can win it all.
2. A team with weak hitting and dominant pitching can win the world series.
It’s just embarassing though to see how many A’s fans see this as the end of the world. Remember, we’ll always have 1989.
I'm embarrassed by the poor sportsmanship myself
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 4, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
1. Then billy should’ve made some moves to get us to the Playoffs — isn’t Moneyball’s strength to assess the season at the halfway point and make some remarkable trade at the deadline? Instead this year, it was all crickets. The one true silver lining is that the Giants front office is making the A’s front office, both of whom have contempt for each other, to eat one huge ass crow this offseason. Hopefully the Green and Gold brass can do something about it!
2. True — they are the Trent Dilfer led Baltimore Ravens
3. I want to celebrate a championship in my young adult life. Unfortunately, I am a fan of the Raiders, San Jose State, and the Golden State Warriors. The Oakland A’s and the San Jose Sharks are my best chance at that, but I don’t see either of those panning out with gold any time soon.
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
The A's weren't making the playoffs this year, regardless of whatever move Billy could've made.
Even if they traded for Cliff Lee (which would have been phenomenally stupid), they still probably would’ve fallen a few games short of the Rangers.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
We were leading the AL West for a good portion of the year
and were within four or five games late in the season. I’m still not totally sold on the “we weren’t going to make it anyway” argument, though there was a lot of validity in it.
If this means that the A’s are gearing up for the next season with so many millions off the books, then I would feel a little better this year about next year. I am not sold Billy and Lew are going to change their approach till selig says they are SJ bound.
If you have over 15 quality starts in a row wasted, I hope the A’s are going to grab that brass ring next year.
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
by oaklandSMASH on Nov 4, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The last time the A's lead the division was the last day in May.
Since June 18th, they didn’t come within 7 games of Texas for the rest of the year. At the trade deadline, they were 8.5 games out. Really, they didn’t have much of a shot.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 4, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Believe me, if Billy saw a move that could have gotten us to the playoffs, he would have.
Getting there isn’t a cakewalk.
This season we saw pitching that was downright ridiculously awesome
I really think that a hitter or two with as a legimitate threat would’ve won us at least eight more with many Ws coming against texas.
Of course, this is all armchair speculation. You can’t know either way, but I still think two solid bats and a tougher attitude the Best Man could not instill could’ve gotten us there.
The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!
by oaklandSMASH on Nov 4, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
There was a great article by Posanski today about the weakest WS winners
Its located here. What about dem 85 Royals, huh? We could easily have a team that looks like this next year.
Surely the 2006 Cardinals have to be the worst team to ever win the WS
They literally had four good players on the roster. Out of 25. On a World Series champion.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
They had 2 more wins than the 2010 A's in the regular season!
Ridiculous.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

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